Post: #76

(01-07-2017 02:07 AM)Chauncey Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 11:58 PM)rover Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 08:23 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  I have been thinking about this for a while and this is what I think happened.

Seth Rich gave Wikileaks the DNC emails and Guccifer 2.0 gave them Podesta's email from his Yahoo accounts.

What do you guys think?

Seth Rich was killed in July but Craig Murray claims he received the data from a DNC insider in September (and it was in a wooded area in Washington so they were probably smart about cameras).

He is probably referring to September 2015, seeing as the DNC leaks were released in July 2016 (10 days after Seth Rich was killed and 2 months before September 2016).

Yep that is correct.

I disagree about the wooded area in DC being smart about cameras. You're in and out egress points to the woods are watched on camera. Cameras probably caught them walking back home at the exact same times as well.

We have a few current and former military intel guys on the board. I am pretty sure if they were watching you under orders, that going into the local woods is not going to shake them off at all. The false assumption that as American citizens, you will not be assassinated but arrested instead, is probably what fueled this decision. He was scheduled to speak to the FBI before his murder.

If they were capable of shaking them off, they would have needed special training, but neither guy seems to be anywhere near spec ops level on that. I think even I would have a hard time with this myself and probably would have stuck to electronic means, using stenography, foreign VPN proxies, a liveCD, and encryption. Would have taken a long ass time to transfer GBs of data, but I am not the type to risk a physical dropoff.

Being in DC, Seth could not even be armed with guns of his own. Not that many people would stand a chance against your typical CIA/SOG assassin, even if they had a gun. The fact that he was accosted at his own apartment and forced to walk away from it by gunpoint, meant that the attacker(s) knew his routine and ambushed him. Seth was a soft target.

Ambushes are notoriously hard to counter. Backing into your garage with your car can only do so much. Even having a means to draw your firearm fast is often not enough, if the guy is waiting by your door with his. Seth is doubtful to have had martial arts training like Systema, Krav Maga, etc. to bother trying to disarm the guy, since you should never draw on a drawn gun. Getting shot twice in the back of the head means he was trying to comply with the attacker. His wallet was stupidly not taken. The attacker's only mistake. I wonder if the attacker had a silencer. He also possible he worked in a team that secured the perimeter to make sure there would be no mistakes. Letting him make it to the FBI would have just put him in witness protection under the US Marshals (which has Congressional oversight if I am not mistaken), which would have been alot harder to kill him then.

If these assholes are bold enough to assassinate a DNC worker as if he is some overseas ISIS general, they would get anyone else here, which is why this election was so crucial for us. When Mike reported that they froze his accounts, I knew the stakes got much higher. I knew these passive aggressive assholes are truly insane or stupid.

The Scalia death is just as fishy as the Spirit Cooking and Seth's murder. That must be that Chicago Style politics the Clinton's warned us about in 2008....A murderer knows another.

It's also possible they use Mafia via Podesta to do these things, instead of CIA. Obama's overreaction toward Russia for Podesta's emails being leaked, is for a good reason. Now people are trying hard to find links in Pizzagate and Scalia's death. Those DNC emails hardly meant shit to Obama. When his clean up man got hit, now it's a fucking problem. Since Podesta fell for a phishing email from an EE spammer, that is what they are going to try to use as proof Russia took his emails. Still isn't proof that Russia used the emails against him. Maybe they wanted their own copy like China usually has.

I think Guccifer 2.0 got Podesta's emails his own way or some other means because he leaked Podesta's original passwords. Podesta had to change his password to his main account due to the phishing attack. I think Guccifer got the email before the phish attack. Someone also stole files from Guccifer 2.0's personal server then he went into hiding. I think it was either the Russians or the US depending upon whose rumors you believe. He allegedly hates Russia and got into spats with them before (No idea if that is really true or not). When he changed his location and started posting again, he continued to dump whatever he had left. I haven't seen anything from him since. He could be dead or captured for all we know.

Post: #77

Delegitimization of the Trump win is what this is all about and it's happening at the highest levels of government. Only a guy like Trump would call it what it is: A Political Witch Hunt.

Post: #78

Catch there is that they need to already be on to you for that logic to work.

If they don't already suspect you then it's far safer to use a physical drop or meeting. Much of this could be disguised as normal activity(meeting up at a bar....people do that all the time) whereas transmitting a large amount of encrypted data over your internet connection will trip a red flag on any surveillance system.

But yes it is generally correct that going into the woods is a terrible idea. If you need an absolutely secret meeting best bet is to change up your appearance entirely(change your facial hair to confuse facial recognition), leave your electronics at home, and use cash only. A good bet is to go somewhere that it would be extremely difficult for any pursuit to blend in. First place that comes to mind for me is this seedy biker bar I used to go to: smaller crowd, all are of a certain type (outsiders stick out instantly), and anyone who tries to start any violence in there is likely to get killed so you're more or less safe in there.

Post: #79

A Reuters article claims that the CIA has identified the Russian officials that had supposedly handed off material that eventually ended up on Wikileaks.

Quote:In some cases, one official said, the material followed what was called “a circuitous route” from the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, to WikiLeaks in an apparent attempt to make the origins of the material harder to trace, a common practice used by all intelligence agencies, including U.S. ones.

These handoffs, the officials said, enabled WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to say the Russian government or state agencies were not the source of the material published on his website.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ru...SKBN14P2NI

Post: #80

(01-07-2017 04:22 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Catch there is that they need to already be on to you for that logic to work.

If they don't already suspect you then it's far safer to use a physical drop or meeting. Much of this could be disguised as normal activity(meeting up at a bar....people do that all the time) whereas transmitting a large amount of encrypted data over your internet connection will trip a red flag on any surveillance system.

But yes it is generally correct that going into the woods is a terrible idea. If you need an absolutely secret meeting best bet is to change up your appearance entirely(change your facial hair to confuse facial recognition), leave your electronics at home, and use cash only. A good bet is to go somewhere that it would be extremely difficult for any pursuit to blend in. First place that comes to mind for me is this seedy biker bar I used to go to: smaller crowd, all are of a certain type (outsiders stick out instantly), and anyone who tries to start any violence in there is likely to get killed so you're more or less safe in there.

One can never assume they do not know you took data from a workplace.

Remember the Chinese Ford employee they arrested at the airport that had just stolen blueprints and car designs and was headed to Beijing? Apparently they had been watching him a while and he had no idea.

They would not have to go into the bar or near you to tail you. Following people is an art, not a science. Some people are extremely good at it and some suck at it. They did not try to hurt them out there they waited till he was isolated and alone.

You could make a point that being alone makes it much easier to get hit in general. Hard to make a hitjob look like something else if a wife and kids were with you, or you were with 2-3 cousins.

Post: #81

(01-07-2017 08:28 PM)Wutang Wrote:  A Reuters article claims that the CIA has identified the Russian officials that had supposedly handed off material that eventually ended up on Wikileaks.

Quote:In some cases, one official said, the material followed what was called “a circuitous route” from the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, to WikiLeaks in an apparent attempt to make the origins of the material harder to trace, a common practice used by all intelligence agencies, including U.S. ones.

These handoffs, the officials said, enabled WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to say the Russian government or state agencies were not the source of the material published on his website.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ru...SKBN14P2NI

Yeah, let's see if they drop names. Sounds like a cool story, but if they drop the names and Julian even makes a big smile, then it shows they are full of shit. Julian doesn't confirm sources, but I think he could answer no on these alleged Russian names. He knows who gave him the stuff.

If Russians gave Seth Rich/Craig Murray the files, that would just be flat out weird. I could not believe that unless they offer up some kind of proof.

This mess reminds me of the anime/manga Death Note. It's like we are trying to catch a killer that is hanging around us and he is constantly lying and we are the Detective L trying to catch em.

Post: #82

While the anti-Trump groups are whining about Russian hacking, Putin is having fun elsewhere.

Post: #83

The fact the report made such an emphasis on RT and internet trolls made me laugh. Everyone outside Russia knows Russia Today is propaganda for the Kremlin.

Post: #84

(01-07-2017 09:42 PM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  The fact the report made such an emphasis on RT and internet trolls made me laugh. Everyone outside Russia knows Russia Today is propaganda for the Kremlin.

Same thing can be said for American news sources as evidenced by Wikileaks. There's no excuse for not using critical thinking, no shortcuts.

Post: #85

(01-07-2017 08:42 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 08:28 PM)Wutang Wrote:  A Reuters article claims that the CIA has identified the Russian officials that had supposedly handed off material that eventually ended up on Wikileaks.

Quote:In some cases, one official said, the material followed what was called “a circuitous route” from the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, to WikiLeaks in an apparent attempt to make the origins of the material harder to trace, a common practice used by all intelligence agencies, including U.S. ones.

These handoffs, the officials said, enabled WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to say the Russian government or state agencies were not the source of the material published on his website.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ru...SKBN14P2NI

Yeah, let's see if they drop names. Sounds like a cool story, but if they drop the names and Julian even makes a big smile, then it shows they are full of shit. Julian doesn't confirm sources, but I think he could answer no on these alleged Russian names. He knows who gave him the stuff.

If Russians gave Seth Rich/Craig Murray the files, that would just be flat out weird. I could not believe that unless they offer up some kind of proof.

This mess reminds me of the anime/manga Death Note. It's like we are trying to catch a killer that is hanging around us and he is constantly lying and we are the Detective L trying to catch em.

Craig Murray already indicated that "leak" came from an insider debunking this whole notion of the Russians doing this or that.

Post: #86

That "assessment" appears to have been mainly written by the Open Source Center (OSC). The OSC is funded and staffed by the CIA and operates offices around the world which collate and assess intelligence from many open sources (unclassified and public sources), but mainly broadcast television. It looks like the Director of National Intelligence's staff took the OSC report and added a few vague allegations from classified intelligence sources (FBI, DIA, and NSA) and published it.

I won't rehash the problems I see with the report since others have already done so in this thread better than I could. Among the US intelligence community, from what I understand, they find that sweeping assessments from the OSC are often like this- big on blather and pronouncement, but small on actionable intelligence.

Post: #87

(01-08-2017 11:26 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 08:42 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 08:28 PM)Wutang Wrote:  A Reuters article claims that the CIA has identified the Russian officials that had supposedly handed off material that eventually ended up on Wikileaks.

Quote:In some cases, one official said, the material followed what was called “a circuitous route” from the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, to WikiLeaks in an apparent attempt to make the origins of the material harder to trace, a common practice used by all intelligence agencies, including U.S. ones.

These handoffs, the officials said, enabled WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to say the Russian government or state agencies were not the source of the material published on his website.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ru...SKBN14P2NI

Yeah, let's see if they drop names. Sounds like a cool story, but if they drop the names and Julian even makes a big smile, then it shows they are full of shit. Julian doesn't confirm sources, but I think he could answer no on these alleged Russian names. He knows who gave him the stuff.

If Russians gave Seth Rich/Craig Murray the files, that would just be flat out weird. I could not believe that unless they offer up some kind of proof.

This mess reminds me of the anime/manga Death Note. It's like we are trying to catch a killer that is hanging around us and he is constantly lying and we are the Detective L trying to catch em.

Craig Murray already indicated that "leak" came from an insider debunking this whole notion of the Russians doing this or that.

True, but if that employee was spying for the Russians and was doing a deep undercover op, then that would be the link.

I highly doubt that, but it is possible. Robert Hanssen caught the whole country off guard. No one really saw that coming, so if Seth or someone else was a spying for them and they had legit evidence of it, I would not be shocked. In 2017, people still do silly shit for money.

Post: #88

TOO freakin' brilliant to ignore:

SEEN ON FACEBOOK: “While everyone was banging on about Trump being Hitler, Obama sent thousands of troops into Poland. The satire is writing itself these days.”

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/254609/

Post: #89

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38831233

Quote:Two former cyber-security experts at Russia's FSB intelligence agency and another at a software firm have been charged with treason, a lawyer says.

Ex-FSB men Sergei Mikhailov and Dmitry Dokuchayev, and an executive at the anti-virus software firm Kaspersky, Ruslan Stoyanov, are accused of working for US interests.

Some reports suggested the arrests could be linked to claims of Russian hacking during the US election.

The Kremlin denied the claim.

Post: #90

(02-01-2017 11:50 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38831233

Quote:Two former cyber-security experts at Russia's FSB intelligence agency and another at a software firm have been charged with treason, a lawyer says.

Ex-FSB men Sergei Mikhailov and Dmitry Dokuchayev, and an executive at the anti-virus software firm Kaspersky, Ruslan Stoyanov, are accused of working for US interests.

Some reports suggested the arrests could be linked to claims of Russian hacking during the US election.

The Kremlin denied the claim.

When I read that, I get the impression that they were doing things that were against Russia's interests or did something deliberate that exposed the Kremlin to something.

It could also be the case that they did not do something the Kremlin asked them to do and because Russia is not a Western country, and they are going to be punished for not doing so. China is similar in that respect.

There is no legal basis for punishment in Russia against American interests. Banking, politics, fraud, intellectual property, etc. We do not have an extradition treaty either, so Russia is technically and legally a haven for anyone doing anything against American interests. The only exception we have with them is Islamic Terrorism. They tried to warn us about the Boston bombers, but it was ignored or mishandled. Other terrorists have been collaborated over and extraditions are very possible between the US and Russia over that.

Anyone doing something against Russia on behalf of America is obviously treason.

From the article:

Quote:President Vladimir Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said the arrests were not related to the hacking, which Russia denies involvement in.
Other claims suggest that the men had links to a hacking group known as Shaltai Boltai (Humpty Dumpty), best known for digging dirt on senior Russian political figures and making it public.

That would be treason under Russian laws. Not helping Trump or Hillary win an election.

This is similar to why Wikileaks is in trouble with Russia as well. IIRC, Russia accused Julian and Co. of the same things. That is why I myself do not think Julian got anything from Russians at all. Putin would not give something to someone he would have arrested immediately upon entering Russia. That makes no sense at all.

For as much as people here like Putin or admire many things about him, he hates criticism of himself and his government and does not allow full dissent like you can in the US. This aspect of Russia/Putin cannot be ignored when taking these things into account.

Post: #91

Looks like a couple more outlets have more information on those guys.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/31/arr...ump-putin/

led me to this article:

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russia-f...-cia-56994

Quote:The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) agents arrested for treason and illegal hacking reportedly passed confidential information to the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, sources close to the investigation told the news agency Interfax.

Sergei Mikhailov, a top cybersecurity specialist in the FSB, and his deputy Dmitry Dokuchaev are being accused of “breaking their oath and working with the CIA,” Interfax reported, citing an anonymous source that did not specify if Mikhailov and Dokuchaev worked directly with the CIA or through intermediaries.

“Four people have been arrested in this case, and eight individuals in total have been identified as accomplices. Only four suspects have been charged, and the others could get off as witnesses,” the source told Interfax.

Police Arrest Alleged U.S. Spy Working in Heart of Russian Cybersecurity
Another source told the news agency that the treason charges and allegations of illegal hacking against Mikhailov and his accomplices are separate cases that do not intersect.

“Each of the suspects performed his own role. One person developed and deployed the cyberattacks, and another person collaborated with foreign intelligence agents. And these operations were parallel and, as a rule, they didn’t intersect,” the second source told Interfax, explaining that the group’s members were acquainted in the IT and information security sectors.

“And the the main link in this chain wasn’t the person with the most senior position and rank,” the source said.

Last week, the independent newspaper Novaya Gazeta reported that Sergei Mikhailov, Dmitry Dokuchaev (who worked in the same FSB unit as Mikhailov), Ruslan Stoyanov (the head of cybercrime investigations at Kaspersky Labs), and a fourth suspect had been arrested on suspicion of leaking secret information to the U.S. intelligence community.

Second FSB Agent Arrested for Treason Revealed as Notorious Hacker
According to Novaya Gazeta, the FSB believes Mikhailov tipped off U.S. officials to information about Vladimir Fomenko and his server rental company “King Servers,” which the American cybersecurity company ThreatConnect identified last September as “an information nexus” that was used by hackers suspected of working for Russian state security in cyberattacks.

The name of the fourth treason suspect is still unknown.

Dokuchaev has allegedly been revealed as an infamous Russian hacker. He reportedly worked as a hacker under the alias “Forb” until the FSB threatened to jail him, an unverified source told the RBC newspaper.

So in a nutshell, these three either directly or indirectly, gave away, exposed, or mishandled the secret that Russian FSB was using a server rental datacenter as a launch point for cyberattacks.

That's like if I told some Chinese government people that the NSA uses Rackspace's datacenters in Dallas for cyberattacks, as a US govt. employee or former employee. That's basically treason.

That's not exactly anything pointing to election hacking, but not outside the realm of possibility. It isn't a smoking gun in either direction in any case.

What I would like to know is if that CIA agent coerced that information out of them or if they gave that away freely or for money. Depending upon the reason, that would be very interesting! Who knew the Obama administration had pull like that inside Russia?! No doubt he grinned when he heard that this morning in his daily security brief. This has to affect morale inside Russian intelligence I bet.

Post: #92

Could just be Russia hanging out some scapegoats in an attempt at publicly washing their hands of the event as well. The general public will most likely never know the truth behind this.

Post: #93

Post: #94

This story has surprisingly been continued to be pushed, as seen by the Flynn resignation.

National Review article
https://archive.fo/abhpd

Quote:... as the FBI set its sights on Flynn, its agents were consulting with “Obama advisers.” Interesting, no? Ever since Hillary Clinton’s loss to Donald Trump on November 8, Obama’s Democratic party had been pushing a narrative that “Putin hacked the election.” The narrative continues to have two major flaws. First, while the Russian dictator may have preferred Trump to Clinton, there is no evidence that his Russian regime did anything to compromise the voting process. The media-Democrat complex has desperately sought to obscure this problem by emphasizing Putin’s likely role in publicizing embarrassing Democratic e-mail communications. Notwithstanding Democratic talking points, that is a far cry from “hacking” the voting process.

The second flaw is that, although Trump has made disturbingly flattering remarks about Putin, there is no evidence his campaign has given or promised Russia any actual accommodation in exchange for Putin’s favor. Democrats hope to erase this problem by finding something, anything, that could be spun as a quid pro quo. Obviously, they hoped the Flynn–Kislyak conversation would answer their prayers. No such luck. As the Times puts it:
Obama officials asked the FBI if a quid pro quo had been discussed on the call, and the answer came back no, according to one of the officials, who like others asked not to be named discussing delicate communications. The topic of sanctions came up, they were told, but there was no deal.

Asked not to be named discussing delicate communications. That’s a good one. Let me translate: The officials don’t want you to know who they are because they are corrupt — (a) FISA intercepts are classified, so disclosing them to the press is a crime; (b) by revealing the Flynn–Kislyak conversation to the press, the “officials” inform the Russians that whatever countermeasures they are taking against U.S. surveillance have failed, assuring that the Russians will alter their tactics, making the job of our honorable intelligence agents more difficult; and © the FBI’s investigative powers are not supposed to be put in in the service of a political party’s effort to advance a partisan storyline, like “Putin hacked the election.”
So since there was no impropriety in Flynn’s call to the Russian ambassador, why did the Bureau continue investigating Flynn? Why did FBI agents interrogate him?

Misleading statements by presidential administrations are not grounds for FBI investigations. They are left to the political process to sort out, and we don’t want the FBI turned into a political weapon.

According to press reports of other rogue intelligence leaks, the FBI was sicced on Flynn after Trump officials gave inaccurate public statements about his conversation with Kislyak, to wit: They said that it had not touched on the punitive actions President Obama took against Russia on the same day the conversation took place, when in fact there had been some discussion of that topic — which the FBI and Justice Department knew from the recording. Specifically, Flynn denied any discussion of these sanctions, unnamed Trump officials denied it to the Washington Post, Vice President Pence denied it in a CBS interview shortly before the inauguration, and finally White House spokesman Sean Spicer denied it again on January 23. According to the Times, it was the Spicer denial that triggered the FBI’s interrogation. It was as if the Bureau and Justice Department intentionally waited to pounce until Trump was in power — which meant that any misstatement could now be framed as a false representation by the sitting president.

But just ask anyone who knows that you can’t keep your health-care plan and your doctor if you like them, that the Benghazi massacre was not caused by a video, that the IRS really did harass Americans over their political beliefs, and that Iran will be allowed to develop nuclear weapons. Anyone who knows those things — that would be all of us — also must know that misleading statements by presidential administrations, even egregious ones, are not grounds for FBI investigations. They are left to the political process to sort out, and we don’t want the FBI turned into a political weapon.

Post: #95

The funny thing is, even supposing the Russians did hack the DNC, for argument's sake, they are accused of "meddling" in the election by releasing true information that made Hillary look bad. No one has claimed that those emails weren't real...

Therefore the press is arguing the American people should have the truth hidden from them.

Post: #96

Published by Salon:
http://www.salon.com/2017/08/15/what-if-...er-ignore/

Quote:Last week the respected left-liberal magazine The Nation published an explosive article that details in great depth the findings of a new report — authored in large part by former U.S. intelligence officers — which claims to present forensic evidence that the Democratic National Committee was not hacked by the Russians in July 2016. Instead, the report alleges, the DNC suffered an insider leak, conducted in the Eastern time zone of the United States by someone with physical access to a DNC computer.

This report also claims there is no apparent evidence that the hacker known as Guccifer 2.0 — supposedly based in Romania — hacked the DNC on behalf of the Russian government. There is also no evidence, the report’s authors say, that Guccifer handed documents over to WikiLeaks. Instead, the report says that the evidence and timeline of events suggests that Guccifer may have been conjured up in an attempt to deflect from the embarrassing information about Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign that was released just before the Democratic National Convention. The investigators found that some of the “Guccifer” files had been deliberately altered by copying and pasting the text into a “Russianified” word-processing document with Russian-language settings.
If all this is true, these findings would constitute a massive embarrassment for not only the DNC itself but the media, which has breathlessly pushed the Russian hacking narrative for an entire year, almost without question but with little solid evidence to back it up.

Post: #97

It won't be much of an embarrassment. It will be ignored and the story of hacking will be swept aside with people still believing the original premise of muh' Russians. One or two people associated with Trump will be indicted for a process violation during an investigation for which there is no underlying crime.

Post: #98

Good analyses on why the DNC hack was really a USB download:

https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/20.../#more-196

https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/20.../#more-342

"Conclusion 7. A transfer rate of 23 MB/s is estimated for this initial file collection operation. This transfer rate can be achieved when files are copied over a LAN, but this rate is too fast to support the hypothesis that the DNC data was initially copied over the Internet (esp. to Romania)."

Post: #99

(08-16-2017 06:08 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  Published by Salon:
http://www.salon.com/2017/08/15/what-if-...er-ignore/

Quote:Last week the respected left-liberal magazine The Nation published an explosive article that details in great depth the findings of a new report — authored in large part by former U.S. intelligence officers — which claims to present forensic evidence that the Democratic National Committee was not hacked by the Russians in July 2016. Instead, the report alleges, the DNC suffered an insider leak, conducted in the Eastern time zone of the United States by someone with physical access to a DNC computer.

This report also claims there is no apparent evidence that the hacker known as Guccifer 2.0 — supposedly based in Romania — hacked the DNC on behalf of the Russian government. There is also no evidence, the report’s authors say, that Guccifer handed documents over to WikiLeaks. Instead, the report says that the evidence and timeline of events suggests that Guccifer may have been conjured up in an attempt to deflect from the embarrassing information about Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign that was released just before the Democratic National Convention. The investigators found that some of the “Guccifer” files had been deliberately altered by copying and pasting the text into a “Russianified” word-processing document with Russian-language settings.
If all this is true, these findings would constitute a massive embarrassment for not only the DNC itself but the media, which has breathlessly pushed the Russian hacking narrative for an entire year, almost without question but with little solid evidence to back it up.

As I said about the current "both sides" hysteria.

(08-16-2017 04:12 PM)Dusty Wrote:  So this is Plan B when Muh Russia failed.

Timing is funny isn't it?

Post: #100

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/...t-leak-him

The Shill Wrote:Assange meets U.S. congressman, vows to prove Russia did not leak him documents
Julian Assange told a U.S. congressman on Tuesday he can prove the leaked Democratic Party documents he published during last year’s election did not come from Russia and promised additional helpful information about the leaks in the near future.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, a California Republican who is friendly to Russia and chairs an important House subcommittee on Eurasia policy, became the first American congressman to meet with Assange during a three-hour private gathering at the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where the WikiLeaks founder has been holed up for years,

Rohrabacher recounted his conversation with Assange to The Hill.

“Our three-hour meeting covered a wide array of issues, including the WikiLeaks exposure of the DNC emails during last year's presidential election,” Rohrabacher said, “Julian emphatically stated that the Russians were not involved in the hacking or disclosure of those emails.
Pressed for more detail on the source of the documents, Rohrabacher said he had information to share privately with President Donald Trump.

“Julian also indicated that he is open to further discussions regarding specific information about the DNC email incident that is currently unknown to the public,” he added.

U.S. intelligence has insisted it has solid proof — which it has not made public — that Russia was behind last year’s election hacks that embarrassed Democrats, including unflattering revelations about nominee Hillary Clinton and her campaign chairman John Podesta.

Assange has suggested in the past that Russia wasn’t the source of his leaked information. Tuesday marked the first time he has engaged with a U.S. lawmaker.

Assange has been living at Ecuador’s embassy in London since 2012 after seeing diplomatic asylum. He rose to prominence after publishing thousands of sensitive U.S. diplomatic and military documents that included leaks related to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

The Wikileaks is a controversial figure; a hero to supporters who argue his leaks unveiled critical information about the evils of U.S. military and foreign policy, and a villain to critics, including many GOP lawmakers, who argue the leaks jeopardized national security.

Rohrabacher’s visit with Assange, as a result, is likely to be controversial with many of his collagues.

Rohrabacher said he had information he planned to carry back to Trump when he returned to the United States, including a request that the WikiLeaks organization be given a news media seat inside the White House press room.

“Julian passionately argued the case that WikiLeaks was vital to informing the public about controversial though necessary issues. He hoped that Wikileaks — an award winning journalistic operation — might be granted a seat in the White House press corps. As a former newsman myself I can't see a reason why they shouldn't be granted news status for official press conferences,” he said.

As for other information to be given to the president, Rohrabacher said: “We left with the understanding that we would be going into further details in the near future. The rest of the message is for the president directly and I hope to convey it to him as more details come in.”

Rohrabacher said the meeting occurred with Assange, his lawyer, Jennifer Robinson, and a businessman named Charles Johnson in the Ecuadorean embassy in London.

“Unbeknownst to me I am the first member of Congress to visit there with Mr. Assange,” he said.

The lawmaker also said Assange appeared in good health, allaying concerns his time in asylum at the embassy had taken a toll.

“Contrary to what the fake news media has alleged Julian seemed in good health and committed to his principles,” he said.

Trump has at times praised Assange, and used a Fox News interview this year with the Wikileaks founder to cast doubt on Russia’s involvement in the DNC leak.