Post: #101

The interesting thing about that a lot of guys in the photo seem like the aggressive type that would get girls and not beta chumps.
That means there's like 100 horny aggressive guys going for 20 or 30 fuckable girls.

D.C seems way worse than Toronto from that photo.

Post: #102

(11-10-2011 12:34 AM)torontokid Wrote:  The interesting thing about that a lot of guys in the photo seem like the aggressive type that would get girls and not beta chumps.
That means there's like 100 horny aggressive guys going for 20 or 30 fuckable girls.

D.C seems way worse than Toronto from that photo.

I mentioned before that DC is IMO the absolute worst at the golden ratio: ratio of good-looking/alpha/game-slinging dudes to attractive girls. I'd say the first is about average or a bit above average for DC, and the amount of attractive girls is horrible.

DC self-selects for traits that are desirable in males like competitiveness, intelligence, and good jobs. In self-selects for the same in women, all of which are generally inversely correlated with good looking women. Your class president may have been hot (who has a good job in DC) but there is a 90% that the cheerleading captain (who went to Miami) or the hot arty girl (who went to NYC) are much better!

Post: #103

you guys are just crying and using an excuse to make yourself feel better for sucking at this apparently.

i am living proof that you can 1) have multiple worthy girls on rotation and 2) find a 8.5/9 to settle down with all in dc. why i am the only guy that found a model in dc? or an actress? or know that there are 35 hot chicks in yoga pants at 15th and P every hour on the hour?

you talk about shitty places and complain that they suck.

yes, DC sucks if you ARE IN FACT the blue shirt khaki guy. but if you are anything slightly different, its a field day.

yes i'm tall, yes, i'm white, yes, i have a great job. but you think thats all it takes?

put yourself in the right places and make that shit happen.

I suggested going to Black Jack, a new bar on 14th st, last week.

Have any of you gotten off your asses to go there and check it out? Or are you still complaining that this town sucks?

Post: #104

dc1000: Can you post some representative pics instead of e-bragging? The fact that you say there are 8s and 9s everywhere and that I saw maybe two a month when I was lucky means your standards might be different than everyone elses.

Post: #105

(11-10-2011 09:01 AM)Roosh Wrote:  dc1000: Can you post some representative pics instead of e-bragging? The fact that you say there are 8s and 9s everywhere and that I saw maybe two a month when I was lucky means your standards might be different than everyone elses.

not to quibble, but where did I say there were 8's and 9's "everywhere" ?

Last time you asked me to post representative pics, I did and got no follow up from you. Not to be rude but I put that effort in already, didn't I?

I also don't generally take "Crowd" pictures when I'm out but if I think about it next time, I will.



The larger point here is why sit around and think of limiting factors and reasons why shit is "bad" ? instead, positive thinking, positive energy and making shit happen should be the motivation

Post: #106

(11-10-2011 09:02 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 12:07 AM)El Rey Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 10:50 PM)rakishness Wrote:  No DC thread is complete without a SAUSAGEFEST pic.

Fur Night Club

Damn, it's practically dudes grinding on dudes. I only see one possibly hot girl, at the far left.

According to dc1000, you're a blue khaki kind of guy if you can't pull in such a target rich environment of 8.5s and 9s.

this is weak.

Yeah, its a picture with bunch of dudes in it! Yep, that means - FUCK IT. No use even trying! I'll just sit home and cry about it. (not you, Roosh, obviously, as you certainly are not sitting home nor crying about it)

Post: #107

Oops accidentally deleted my post. It said: "According to dc1000, you're a blue khaki kind of guy if you can't pull in such a target rich environment of 8.5s and 9s."

Quote:Last time you asked me to post representative pics, I did and got no follow up from you. Not to be rude but I put that effort in already, didn't I?

Was this in the OKcupid thread?

Post: #108

(11-10-2011 09:16 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Oops accidentally deleted my post. It said: "According to dc1000, you're a blue khaki kind of guy if you can't pull in such a target rich environment of 8.5s and 9s."

Quote:Last time you asked me to post representative pics, I did and got no follow up from you. Not to be rude but I put that effort in already, didn't I?

Was this in the OKcupid thread?

yep

and in fact, i posted, among others, an actual pic of me and my girlfriend.

Post: #109

I gave the picture the dot treatment...

Post: #110

Found the pics. They start here: /thread-3601-p...#pid102162

First pic... DC thickness. 7 at the most.

Dog chain girl.. face unknown. Great body.

Polish girl.. 6

Body shot... great body.

Actress.. nice body, face unknown. Probable 7

Actress headshot... 7. Body unknown

DC lawyer... nice body.

Ugliest girl... 5.5.

These are quality pulls with some great body shots, but nothing worth hyping DC about. I can see the pics impressing newbs, but for DC long-timers it's a different story. That's great that you found a niche but your pics show that even with an extra tight niche and tight game you're going to land a 7 at the most. If anything you prove my argument, that a dude pulling actresses or models in DC is getting less than he would get elsewhere. In other words if you go to a better city, you'd get much better. Do you agree with that?

And I'm not hating... you're doing better than the average guy in DC and you should be congratulated for that, but your tone in this thread seemed to be trying to shame guys for not being able to pull in DC. Understand that a lot of guys here don't want a 7.

If you want to criticize us, it should be along the "why chase better when you can get a decent cute girl here with some work." Many of us, for whatever reason, are aiming higher.

Post: #111

this argument is a tautology.

i have a picture of a club with all men. all clubs are filled with men.

FUR NIGHTCLUB SUCKS SHIT.

Don't go there!

Roissy himself posted in 2009 or 2010 that he and a friend (you? VK? who?) stood on the street corner and counted hot chicks and were overwhelmed by choice.

The demographics here certainly havent shifted THAT much in a short period of time.

No, far more likely, is that the nightlife scene has shifted and you guys haven't figured it out yet.

That is why I keep offering up places to go that I know are new and hip and attract the good crowd.

But not once have I seen any one say, shit, I saw dc1000 post about this new place and I went, and either a) he's full of shit it sucked or b) he was right!

Nope, just rather take pics of the same piece of shit club and talk about how bad DC is.

when the guys you see in the picture above find a place...that means it is already dead.

If there is anyone from virginia where you are? that place is already dead.

I know you don't believe me, but there is literally a crowd that moves from one hot place to the next en masse, and that is where the girls are.

I've suggested email lists, websites and other places that TELL YOU WHERE TO GO where the hot girls are, but again, no one listens.

I've posted pics, shared stories, given locations, informed on new establishments, provided informational websites etc...

I can not do anymore

Post: #112

(11-10-2011 08:32 AM)dc1000 Wrote:  you guys are just crying and using an excuse to make yourself feel better for sucking at this apparently.

i am living proof that you can 1) have multiple worthy girls on rotation and 2) find a 8.5/9 to settle down with all in dc. why i am the only guy that found a model in dc? or an actress? or know that there are 35 hot chicks in yoga pants at 15th and P every hour on the hour?

you talk about shitty places and complain that they suck.

yes, DC sucks if you ARE IN FACT the blue shirt khaki guy. but if you are anything slightly different, its a field day.

yes i'm tall, yes, i'm white, yes, i have a great job. but you think thats all it takes?

put yourself in the right places and make that shit happen.

I suggested going to Black Jack, a new bar on 14th st, last week.

Have any of you gotten off your asses to go there and check it out? Or are you still complaining that this town sucks?

You also claim to make $150k a year, former muay thai champion, pimp pad in logan circle. That alone is going to put you in the top 1% of men in DC.

I won't paint same same gloomy picture as the guys here are, venue is a lot... but you have a huge leg up on most of the other guys in this town. It will take me a few years to get to your status level. Also, Bolivian Effect. Get out of DC and see how much better it is (i.e. NYC).

And yeah, you said something about 8s and 9s everywhere on your street in that OKC thread. It's no contest. You go to NYC, LA, Vegas, San Fran, and the girls walking around are going to be CONSISTENTLY more attractive and in-shape. I don't care that you CAN find them here. They A) Already have an unimaginable ego boost and B) Aren't abundant like other cities.

Quote:Ha! First girl and dog chain girl are the same. Thats my girlfriend. She has thick triceps because she works out 4 times a week.

Hot body you say and dc thick in another?

It's a tough call because it's a weird angle. Of course you're going to defend your girlfriend, but those pics are all we have to go on. She's still a 7, tops... based on those photos.

Post: #113

(11-10-2011 09:28 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Found the pics. They start here: /thread-3601-p...#pid102162

First pic... DC thickness. 7 at the most.

Dog chain girl.. face unknown. Great body.

Polish girl.. 6

Body shot... great body.

Actress.. nice body, face unknown. Probable 7

Actress headshot... 7. Body unknown

DC lawyer... nice body.

Ugliest girl... 5.5.

These are quality pulls with some great body shots, but nothing worth hyping DC about. That's great that you found a niche but your pics show that even with an extra tight niche and tight game you're going to land a 7 at the most. If anything you prove my argument, that a dude pulling actresses or models in DC is getting less than he would get elsewhere. In other words if you go to a better city, you'd get much better.

And I'm not hating... you're doing better than the average guy in DC and you should be congratulated for that, but your tone in this thread seemed to be trying to shame guys for not being able to pull in DC. Understand that a lot of guys here don't want a 7.

Ha! First girl and dog chain girl are the same. Thats my girlfriend. She has thick triceps because she works out 4 times a week.

Hot body you say and dc thick in another?

Post: #114

dc1000,

Calm down a little. I've read your posts. I like your posts. You bring some balance to this discussion, which is good.

I'll check out BlackJack and Gibson this weekend and report back here.

Post: #115

(11-10-2011 09:29 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 08:32 AM)dc1000 Wrote:  you guys are just crying and using an excuse to make yourself feel better for sucking at this apparently.

i am living proof that you can 1) have multiple worthy girls on rotation and 2) find a 8.5/9 to settle down with all in dc. why i am the only guy that found a model in dc? or an actress? or know that there are 35 hot chicks in yoga pants at 15th and P every hour on the hour?

you talk about shitty places and complain that they suck.

yes, DC sucks if you ARE IN FACT the blue shirt khaki guy. but if you are anything slightly different, its a field day.

yes i'm tall, yes, i'm white, yes, i have a great job. but you think thats all it takes?

put yourself in the right places and make that shit happen.

I suggested going to Black Jack, a new bar on 14th st, last week.

Have any of you gotten off your asses to go there and check it out? Or are you still complaining that this town sucks?

You also claim to make $150k a year, former muay thai champion, pimp pad in logan circle. That alone is going to put you in the top 1% of men in DC.

I won't paint same same gloomy picture as the guys here are, venue is a lot... but you have a huge leg up on most of the other guys in this town. It will take me a few years to get to your status level. Also, Bolivian Effect. Get out of DC and see how much better it is (i.e. NYC).

And yeah, you said something about 8s and 9s everywhere on your street in that OKC thread. It's no contest. You go to NYC, LA, Vegas, San Fran, and the girls walking around are going to be CONSISTENTLY more attractive and in-shape. I don't care that you CAN find them here. They A) Already have an unimaginable ego boost and B) Aren't abundant like other cities.

Quote:Ha! First girl and dog chain girl are the same. Thats my girlfriend. She has thick triceps because she works out 4 times a week.

Hot body you say and dc thick in another?

It's a tough call because it's a weird angle. Of course you're going to defend your girlfriend, but those pics are all we have to go on.

look, the point i'm really trying to make here is one of positive thinking.

facts are that there are lots of us here that live in DC

we need to make shit happen here

crying about how it sucks, doesn't help

trying to make the most of it, does

i'm consistently trying to add value by offering suggestions on how to make the best of your time in dc

Post: #116

(11-10-2011 09:39 AM)rakishness Wrote:  dc1000,

Calm down a little. I've read your posts. I like your posts. You bring some balance to this discussion, which is good.

I'll check out BlackJack and Gibson this weekend and report back here.

Gibson will not be successful for picking up chicks. you need a reservation and they only let in people who are sitting at tables. there is not much mingling there unless you get a seat at the bar.

Post: #117

I don't think the point of this thread was to cry and complain, but to point out to people on the outside how bad we have it here. I agree that finding ways to make the best of it is a good thing, but this thread wasn't necessarily created for that purpose.

I haven't been to black jack yet, is it a spot that I'd fit in well with a 3 piece? Pricing?

Post: #118

(11-10-2011 09:41 AM)Gmac Wrote:  I don't think the point of this thread was to cry and complain, but to point out to people on the outside how bad we have it here. I agree that finding ways to make the best of it is a good thing, but this thread wasn't necessarily created for that purpose.

I haven't been to black jack yet, is it a spot that I'd fit in well with a 3 piece? Pricing?

more casual than that. the bar tenders are hipster types. i don't drink alcohol, but the rest of the pricing for food and whatever else seemed better than most places. high value. Pearl Dive Oyster Bar, its sister restaurant is my new favorite place.

Speaking of 14th St:

How many of these places have you been to? They all can be of varying quality:

Church Key
Estadio (at the bar)
Bar Pilar
Cork (at the bar)

Post: #119

you'd kick this "7 at best" out of your bed due to your standards being so high?

course i'm being a little defensive but seriously...7?


edited to add: she's also 6 feet tall. when we're out together and she's in heels, all eyes are on us, everywhere we go. which is another reason why I might feel like there are a higher number of hot girls in this town, because literally every chick looks at her and then looks at me.

Post: #120

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/04/1...verywhere/

Post: #121

Your gf's body looks very different in those pics.

Anyway I can see why you're frustrated... you've provided ample evidence and guys are still not coming to your point of view. Problem is that DC guys have lived it too long to be swayed by one guy's experience, though I'm sure they will consider it.

Let me ask you one final question: if you go to another city (NYC, Austin, Southern Cali), do you think you'd get better or worse women?

My entire argument is that a man would do better elsewhere, that while there are some decent looking girls, demographics are out of our favor. You're working harder for less.

Post: #122

(11-10-2011 09:29 AM)Gmac Wrote:  You also claim to make $150k a year, former muay thai champion, pimp pad in logan circle. That alone is going to put you in the top 1% of men in DC.

Money is overrated. At times my friends and I have had such advantages and been completely unsuccessful (i.e., celibate). Roosh acknowledged his own game slipped when he first got a decent apartment and motorcycle.

Attractiveness is subjective. My jewish friend invariably rates blondes 1-2 points higher, while I rate fair-skinned brunettes higher. So while you may rate another guy's girl as a "7", he might have chosen her over your "8's" and "9's".

I have used specific information from Roosh, Gmac, and DC1000, and also appreciate their general moral support. Fortunately you guys are all successful and can handle dissent and criticism. But this thread is veering uncomfortably close to personal attacks. Please keep this constructive and civil, because I hate to see my friends fight, I want to preserve useful dialog and set an example for new forum members.

Post: #123

roosh -

yes: LA and NYC have far more hot chicks. no doubt about it.

so do Prague and Budapest IMO.

The point i've been trying to make is not that DC is a prime hot spot for chicks worldwide, but rather that there are in fact possibilities here if you do things a certain way.

i'm trying to inject some productive, positive thoughts into this conversation rather than just saying, like no way man!

you left town, so its easy to rag on it.

i'm here, have been here and will be here, so i'm talking my book and trying to make the most of it for sure.

the part that is most frustrating to me is the use of Fur and other known shit hole spots as examples of what all of DC is like. its just not true. its like going to mcdonalds and saying all food in dc sucks.

Post: #124

Quote:The point i've been trying to make is not that DC is a prime hot spot for chicks worldwide, but rather that there are in fact possibilities here if you do things a certain way.

I can agree with that.

Of course I'm going to rag on it as hard as I can. I hate the city and have passed the point of "seeing the good with the bad."

I can't speak for the other guys, but I don't get the impression that they only stay home and cry about living in DC. They still go out and approach, day and night, but they still have a right to complain about its flaws.

Post: #125

as someone who has been in DC a very long time and seen both sides of the spectrum here's where you two are seeing different things

I dont think Roosh has ever lived or worked in DC. Gaithersburg isnt DC. And being in DC is much different during the day then it is at night. And if you only come into DC on Friday and Saturday nights at 10pm or later you are seeing a different side of things. Most of the girls worth a shit aren't at the Madhatter or whatever shithole DC club on Friday night at midnight. The fat girls are and the college girls are but most of the one's worth a shit arent. Most of the girls in DC that i've known or dated that are worth a shit aren't at the bars/clubs very often. Happy hours and an occasional girls night out, but not very often. They're in other spots. Things like embassy parties, Capital club parties, fundraisers, etc. They can go to these spots and meet a higher status man then the drunk idiot at Fur who wants to grind up on them. Also I've noticed when you go out in Arlington you get bigger venues and more better looking girls then in DC where you tend to have smaller venues. DC isn't NYC or LA but there is some talent out there. And just like NYC or LA you have to work a little for it. If you think the average guy in NYC or LA is banging the models and actresses you're wrong. DC is by no means paradise but its not after recently traveling all over the US I realized its better then most people give it credit for.