Post: #76

Some updates:

Finally got my ARC card that will allow me to set up a bank account, but most importantly get a PHONE this week!

Now I will be able to start getting some digits and working on some slant eyed pussy!

Still about 3 weeks out till I get that first full paycheck.... :/

Post: #77

Good stuff man! Have you got your K flag yet?
How is the talent/general eye candy in the town you're located?

Post: #78

VP,

I have only been out clubbing like 2-3 times and didnt really do alot gaming. Just open and small talked 1-2 sets each night and had the girls take my email.

So sadly I havent got my KFlag yet.

Once I get some cash and a cell phone I will be putting alot more effort into slaying the dragon.

Talent is pretty good at night in the party districts. Girls dress sexy with dresses / skirts and short shorts / high heels.

Ill be able to give alot more intel in a month......

Post: #79

Bout to hit up the main party district. Right on the beach. Havent been out here yet.

First night im actually going to be going hard in the paint!

See what happens.....

Post: #80

Wing is in seoul tonight, ended up having to roll dolo. After over an hour of walking around trying to find a certain club finally found it and it sucked. Decided to hit up this house dance club. Turns out this place is dope. Posted up at the bar right now, need to figure out the best way to game these females.... Clubs don't close till the sun comes up.

Post: #81

Dash, you tried a DVD Bang yet? ;-)

Try get a job at a Hagwon, or maybe you already are. Look for the "upper class" hagwons, they pay good stash and kids are drilled and shut their traps when not supposed to talk.

Check seoulgrid.com for your Seoul weekends. Best clubs are Eden, Mansion (Hongdae) and LUV. Answer is good for hooking up w model chicks, and foreign students. Lots of hotties at Soulsome lounge, beware of angry boyfriends who use their Bentley keys as brass-knuckles.

What clubs are hot in Busan? Might pass by in November.

Post: #82

Haven't been to a DVD bang yet but I have heard about. Pretty much if a girl agrees to go there she Is dtf. I work at Hagwon now. Only been to few places in busan so far. Muktum and Elune is good in Haeundae /busan.

(09-30-2011 12:00 PM)Benelli Wrote:  Dash, you tried a DVD Bang yet? ;-)

Try get a job at a Hagwon, or maybe you already are. Look for the "upper class" hagwons, they pay good stash and kids are drilled and shut their traps when not supposed to talk.

Check seoulgrid.com for your Seoul weekends. Best clubs are Eden, Mansion (Hongdae) and LUV. Answer is good for hooking up w model chicks, and foreign students. Lots of hotties at Soulsome lounge, beware of angry boyfriends who use their Bentley keys as brass-knuckles.

What clubs are hot in Busan? Might pass by in November.

Post: #83

What's this DVD bang thing you talk about?

Post: #84

(09-30-2011 05:04 PM)KingofScotland Wrote:  What's this DVD bang thing you talk about?

DVD Bang is a place to take a female to fuck and watch a dvd in a private room / setting.

Post: #85

Guys,

I think the longest I can stay in Korea is till January.

After observing the "club" scene/culture last night this place just isnt for me. He are some things I have noticed.

1) Guys and girls DO NOT dance together. Thus making booty dancing non-existent

2) Korean guys do not open and hit on girls when they go out at night. I dont think they know what it means to go out and try to get laid is. I think they primarily go out to dance and hangout with their guy friends.

3) Thus the K-girls are not use to this and it really makes shit exponentially harder for western men trying to game in the club.

4) IOI's are NON existent in the clubs in Korea. Pretty much your gonna have to do cold approaching 90% of the time.

5) Everyone stays out the ENTIRE night due to the subway not starting till 5:30am due to expensive taxes at night. Which means that if you do find a girl she will be too tired to fuck at 6 - 7am after partying and doing convulsion techno/house dancing all night. Also parents expecting them home around that hour would be a problem also. Getting a place right near the main nightlife part of the city would negate this somewhat but not alot of jobs around that area atleast in comparison to the amount of ESL teachers here.

There was quite alot of urban black guys in the club last night. These dudes had me rolling the entire time!

They were trying to game bitches like if they where back home in ATL or some shit. They stared down EVERY chick that passed by them, then tried to open / dance on 70% of them and it was shut-down city every time.

I wanted to go up to them and be like you know I hear you guys do alot better in Japan.

I saw a few white guys approach some females but they werent able to keep the convo / interaction going for more that 5 minutes.

This place is tricky. Gaming here is a different beast, something I am not use to AT ALL.

In Latin America when I go clubbing im gonna have ATLEAST 15 girls eye fucking me. ATLEAST 8 or so touch me when I pass them. ATLEAST 2 that approach and open me.

Needless to say I need to adapt and adapt quick to make the most of my time here.

As things are looking right now, it appears ill be on a one way flight to Colombia in Jan.....

Post: #86

(09-30-2011 11:05 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  Guys,

I think the longest I can stay in Korea is till January.

After observing the "club" scene/culture last night this place just isnt for me. He are some things I have noticed.

1) Guys and girls DO NOT dance together. Thus making booty dancing non-existent

Not entirely true. You're right about most girls, but it isn't non-existent.

(09-30-2011 11:05 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  2) Korean guys do not open and hit on girls when they go out at night. I dont think they know what it means to go out and try to get laid is. I think they primarily go out to dance and hangout with their guy friends.

They do, but it's more of a smooth thing. For instance, guys often go in packs and girls in their own groups. It's easier to open up their set with your cool friends, and keep them entertained. Girls almost never go out alone in Korea. What the guys do is work them in a aloof way, then making out in a 노래방 before bringing them to a DVD방.

(09-30-2011 11:05 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  3) Thus the K-girls are not use to this and it really makes shit exponentially harder for western men trying to game in the club.

K-girls are really conservative. They pick a "manly" korean guy over any cool foreigner 99% of the time. Given Koreas rough past, people ar e very nationalist and protectionist. This also goes for relationships, how absurd it may even sound. Most parents of "fuckable" girls are post-war baby boomers, and I'd say many are still traumatized. Given this past, they try to make koreans stick together and keep the bloodlines, genes and whatever intact. Declining population rate is also a contributing factor. Does this sound too scientifical? Have a look at jewish people.

I'll explain some cues for you below.

(09-30-2011 11:05 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  4) IOI's are NON existent in the clubs in Korea. Pretty much your gonna have to do cold approaching 90% of the time.

Not entirely an IOI, but your best visual cues will be:
Girls who dress slutty - they don't give a shit about their parents.

Girls who smoke in clubs - they also do not give a shit. A girl who smokes is a bad girl in korea.

Other cues, which you'll discover when opening them are:
Girls who reply back in english or spanish (more than you think know espanol!) unmask their curiosity by talking back to you.

Go for girls with international experience! - Many k-girls, especially upper-middle and upper-class kids, have been sent to the US, france or spain for at least exchange semesters, summer schools or pre-uni education. This has exposed them to our world. This makes them gameable understand who you are.

(09-30-2011 11:05 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  5) Everyone stays out the ENTIRE night due to the subway not starting till 5:30am due to expensive taxes at night. Which means that if you do find a girl she will be too tired to fuck at 6 - 7am after partying and doing convulsion techno/house dancing all night. Also parents expecting them home around that hour would be a problem also. Getting a place right near the main nightlife part of the city would negate this somewhat but not alot of jobs around that area atleast in comparison to the amount of ESL teachers here.

I don't agree. You can ride a cab for 30+ mins paying less than 10 USD. Logistics is never a problem in Korea. However the parents thing is true. However I've had BFF K-girls text their beloved mommies that "I'm sleeping at Hee-Young's" while innocent Hee-Young texts her momma "Mee-young is sad and wants to talk, i'll stay with her since she needs a good friend. see you for lunch tomorrow (>^_^)>". If they are down, they will sort it out. Don't worry.

(09-30-2011 11:05 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  There was quite alot of urban black guys in the club last night. These dudes had me rolling the entire time!

They were trying to game bitches like if they where back home in ATL or some shit. They stared down EVERY chick that passed by them, then tried to open / dance on 70% of them and it was shut-down city every time.

I wanted to go up to them and be like you know I hear you guys do alot better in Japan.

Where did you go? Sounds like some Itaewon or Hongdae "happy hour" shithole. Don't mean to sound like a dud, but it really doesnt sound like you've found the cherries yet. There are still many good clubs left for you to game.

(09-30-2011 11:05 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  I saw a few white guys approach some females but they werent able to keep the convo / interaction going for more that 5 minutes.

This place is tricky. Gaming here is a different beast, something I am not use to AT ALL.

You are correct. However, think about how good you'll get in the long end.

My tip is to hedge your most valuable, depreciating nightlife asset (time) by also approaching foreign model chicks. Although some of them live together in apartment hotels, they are easier to fuck than k-girls, and look hot as hell most of the time. Model guys in their entourage are either gay, latino assholes (neutralize them quickly) or cool as hell and make good wingmen.

Enjoy the food!! I sure miss it!

Post: #87

Appreciate your insight Benelli.

(10-01-2011 02:51 AM)Benelli Wrote:  Not entirely true. You're right about most girls, but it isn't non-existent.

Im talking about the vast majority. And the few I have seen dancing with a guy are clearly a couple.

Quote:They do, but it's more of a smooth thing. For instance, guys often go in packs and girls in their own groups. It's easier to open up their set with your cool friends, and keep them entertained. Girls almost never go out alone in Korea. What the guys do is work them in a aloof way, then making out in a 노래방 before bringing them to a DVD방.

Guys and girls do not "hangout" together for the most part. So mixed sets / groups are a rarity. And 90% of the time if you do see a mixed set they are a couple or family. So you are correct about the genders traveling in packs. I have yet to see any k-guys "gaming" females. They tend to just drink & dance with their set from my observations.

Quote:K-girls are really conservative. They pick a "manly" korean guy over any cool foreigner 99% of the time. Given Koreas rough past, people ar e very nationalist and protectionist. This also goes for relationships, how absurd it may even sound. Most parents of "fuckable" girls are post-war baby boomers, and I'd say many are still traumatized. Given this past, they try to make koreans stick together and keep the bloodlines, genes and whatever intact. Declining population rate is also a contributing factor. Does this sound too scientifical? Have a look at jewish people.

I'll explain some cues for you below.

Yes, It didnt take me long to realize my white american self held ZERO DHV and that Koreans "prefer" their kind.

Quote:Not entirely an IOI, but your best visual cues will be:
Girls who dress slutty - they don't give a shit about their parents.

Girls who smoke in clubs - they also do not give a shit. A girl who smokes is a bad girl in korea.

Other cues, which you'll discover when opening them are:
Girls who reply back in english or spanish (more than you think know espanol!) unmask their curiosity by talking back to you.

Go for girls with international experience! - Many k-girls, especially upper-middle and upper-class kids, have been sent to the US, france or spain for at least exchange semesters, summer schools or pre-uni education. This has exposed them to our world. This makes them gameable understand who you are.

The only thing to go off of will be visual ques like the ones you mentioned because IOI's are a scarce rarity.

I saw plenty of scantily clad k-girls smoking in the club last night. I will have to start forcing myself to cold approach these k-girls and see what the deal is with the slutty smoking chicks in comparison to the other ones.

Quote:I don't agree. You can ride a cab for 30+ mins paying less than 10 USD. Logistics is never a problem in Korea. However the parents thing is true. However I've had BFF K-girls text their beloved mommies that "I'm sleeping at Hee-Young's" while innocent Hee-Young texts her momma "Mee-young is sad and wants to talk, i'll stay with her since she needs a good friend. see you for lunch tomorrow (>^_^)>". If they are down, they will sort it out. Don't worry.

30 min cab ride for 10 bucks?!?! Maybe spitting it 2 ways. I live about 30 minutes from the Haeundae Beach which is one of the main party zones and the cab is like 25 bucks. There is a reason why tons of Koreans bring their bookbags out with them to party. Hell instead of having places to store your coat they have bookbag check-in's. This is in Busan, not sure how common it is in Seoul.

Quote:Where did you go? Sounds like some Itaewon or Hongdae "happy hour" shithole. Don't mean to sound like a dud, but it really doesnt sound like you've found the cherries yet. There are still many good clubs left for you to game.

I went to Club Maktum, which is one of the premiere clubs in Busan along with Club Elune. Certainly not some "happy hour" shit hole. Had to pay $20 dollars to get into that bitch.

Quote:You are correct. However, think about how good you'll get in the long end.

My tip is to hedge your most valuable, depreciating nightlife asset (time) by also approaching foreign model chicks. Although some of them live together in apartment hotels, they are easier to fuck than k-girls, and look hot as hell most of the time. Model guys in their entourage are either gay, latino assholes (neutralize them quickly) or cool as hell and make good wingmen.

Enjoy the food!! I sure miss it!

I dont know the correct method for gaming this k-girls yet. I have mainly been observing things when I go out. And havent really field tested any approach methods or anything.

Post: #88

Just FYI,

- "Booty dancing" is very much a western hemisphere phenomenon. It's uncommon pretty much anywhere other than North America and parts of Latin America.
- Social circle oriented cultures that look down on cold approaching in night clubs are not uncommon. See: Argentina, Spain, Italy, Ukraine.
- Getting eye-fucked by 15 girls in each venue you go to as a tall white guy usually only happens in developing countries of Latin America and Southeast Asia. It doesn't surprise me at all that Korean girls don't give a shit.

It sounds like you're just not really feeling Korea, and that's cool. But for being there for like six months, it sure sounds like you're throwing the towel in pretty early. I mean you've only been out what, like 3-4 nights? Have you made any local guy friends? Found any social circles to join outside of foreigners? Tried online game? Day game? Made any connections at the night venues? Purposely screened for English-speakers? I mean, you have six months there. You should be building up a network and tons of social proof, not wasting your time cold approaching endlessly.

It sounds like maybe you expected the "I'm tall and white, now stare at me" phenomenon to be universal. It's definitely not. It sounds like you also maybe expected cold approaching and flirting in night clubs to be universal. It's also not. Welcome to the rest of the world, my man!

Post: #89

I have seen "booty dancing" occasionally in Taipei and did it with some girl at the club last night even though I'm not all about it. I have never seen people grinding when I was in Brazil even at strictly hip hop clubs. Its played out hella hard in America, you will see some dude freaking the shit out of a girl and he won't get shit after that.

Post: #90

Entropy4,

Your right, now thinking about it, im being a lil bitch and wanting to "throw in the towel" just because things are not being given to me like in Latin America. I need to man up and finish out this contract and make the best of the situation. Its just hard knowing im only staying here for the money and that I could hop on a plane and go live in Latin America where im more attracted to the women, like the music, can speak the language, and can have numerous girls on the dick in a week or two.

Im not tall 5'9 so ive never had that luxury. lol I am not gonna lie, I expected to get some IOI's when I go out. Ive NEVER been ANYWHERE where I didnt get IOI's. So this is highly frustrating as im not one to cold approach without knowing if a chick is interested in me. Which is essentially what you will have to do at a nightclub in Korea (Busan). Girls might be more liberal and westernized in Seoul.

TonySnow25,

Im suprised you didnt see any grinding in Brazil. Brazil prob has some of the most sexual explicit dancing in the whole world! (funk)

Personally I like to have my dick grinded out on the dance floor to a phat ass. I find that more enjoyable and fun than just standing around. So not being able to do soo is a major negative/minus for me. I can work around this by just dancing with other western female teachers though

Post: #91

Dash sounds like you're being too defeatist, hang in there mate. You tried the social networking and online dating sites? Might be a good way to get a one to one meet up with a girl who's interested in foreigners. Use couchsurf to make friends, go to meet ups and meet with locals and travellers passing through.

Post: #92

@ Dash I never went to a baile funk party. I'm just talking about the clubs I went to that didn't play funk music. I didn't see anyone grinding.

Post: #93

(10-01-2011 03:53 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  30 min cab ride for 10 bucks?!?! Maybe spitting it 2 ways. I live about 30 minutes from the Haeundae Beach which is one of the main party zones and the cab is like 25 bucks. There is a reason why tons of Koreans bring their bookbags out with them to party. Hell instead of having places to store your coat they have bookbag check-in's. This is in Busan, not sure how common it is in Seoul.

Ok, my only reference is Seoul, which I assumed you were talking about. Had a car while touring Busan.

(10-01-2011 03:53 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  I went to Club Maktum, which is one of the premiere clubs in Busan along with Club Elune. Certainly not some "happy hour" shit hole. Had to pay $20 dollars to get into that bitch.

Same here, I thought you were out in Seoul this weekend. Checked out Maktums website, looks cool! Judging by the pictures, it is probably the equivalent of Club Answer in Seoul.



I wasn't very impressed with Busan from a cosmopolitan perspective. It feels like a slumbering village more than the big city it really is. However, this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but for that big city vibe with party, shopping, flirting etc. I think Seoul will feel very different when you go there. I think it's like 50'000 by train if you go, and won't take more than 3,5 hrs. You could probably crash at Jimjilbangs, but by all means book a hotel. Stay in Gangnam or Hongdae, or somewhere in the Dongdaemun area (quieter but central).

Haha, you're not being a lil bitch really - what you feel is whwat I also felt in the beginning. You get confused by having lots of cute (some very hot) giggling korean chicks around you yelling "handsome" only to fly off like scared pigeons as soon as you turn towards them.

Oh, I forgot. Approach older chicks! I'm mid-20 and had more game with 29-30 year olds. In Korea you can deduct 5 years from their mental age. I know some dudes here will be all "oooh, you can't go above 25 - what's wrong with you". Ill tell you what's (not)wrong: their fucking bodies stay in shape until they become quiiiiiiite old compared to their european, american and african soul sisters. A hot 30 year old chick will have the intelligence level needed to reciprociate your game and wits - and keep you entertained. You don't want to date a 22 year old girl, only invest time in her if she's clearly down for a DVD Bang finale.

Post: #94

I can now officially welcome you to gaming in northern Asia. You can't play basketball only knowing football rules. Most of these things were told to you this summer....you didn't listen, instead you called us losers with no game or style.

it's like the movie Colors

There's two bulls standing on top of a mountain. The younger one says to the older one: "Hey pop, let's run down there and fuck one of them cows". The older one says: "No son. Lets walk down and fuck 'em all".

you got to slow your game down, these girls know what you are after. They do not know you or trust you...building comfort takes longer.

clubs might not work so try bars. Go online. go to a western restaurant and SLOWLY game the waitress. 2 jokes and making her smile before asking her out is too fast. BUILDING COMFORT TAKES MUCH MORE TIME.

White gringos banging latin skanks is a piece of cake. Gaming nationalistic racist Asians takes time to learn. Gringos coming from a month or so of travel in Costa Rica or wherever always fall flat on their face .

Chase white girls, talk to other teachers, someone is dominating Korean ass, and his gf has friends.

Hang in there, don't give up, focus on Korean girls not day dreaming about Latin American ass. I've been there...trust me. Most hit a dry spell upon arrival...you've been there a month, you've barely scratched the surface.

Post: #95

(09-30-2011 11:05 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  Guys,

I think the longest I can stay in Korea is till January.

After observing the "club" scene/culture last night this place just isnt for me. He are some things I have noticed.

1) Guys and girls DO NOT dance together. Thus making booty dancing non-existent

2) Korean guys do not open and hit on girls when they go out at night. I dont think they know what it means to go out and try to get laid is. I think they primarily go out to dance and hangout with their guy friends.

3) Thus the K-girls are not use to this and it really makes shit exponentially harder for western men trying to game in the club.

4) IOI's are NON existent in the clubs in Korea. Pretty much your gonna have to do cold approaching 90% of the time.

5) Everyone stays out the ENTIRE night due to the subway not starting till 5:30am due to expensive taxes at night. Which means that if you do find a girl she will be too tired to fuck at 6 - 7am after partying and doing convulsion techno/house dancing all night. Also parents expecting them home around that hour would be a problem also. Getting a place right near the main nightlife part of the city would negate this somewhat but not alot of jobs around that area atleast in comparison to the amount of ESL teachers here.

There was quite alot of urban black guys in the club last night. These dudes had me rolling the entire time!

They were trying to game bitches like if they where back home in ATL or some shit. They stared down EVERY chick that passed by them, then tried to open / dance on 70% of them and it was shut-down city every time.

I wanted to go up to them and be like you know I hear you guys do alot better in Japan.

I saw a few white guys approach some females but they werent able to keep the convo / interaction going for more that 5 minutes.

This place is tricky. Gaming here is a different beast, something I am not use to AT ALL.

In Latin America when I go clubbing im gonna have ATLEAST 15 girls eye fucking me. ATLEAST 8 or so touch me when I pass them. ATLEAST 2 that approach and open me.

Needless to say I need to adapt and adapt quick to make the most of my time here.

As things are looking right now, it appears ill be on a one way flight to Colombia in Jan.....

How does all of this compare to Japan? From what I hear Japanese girls are really open to foreigners (white americans esp.), they give off mad IOI's, and like to bump and grind?

Can anyone confirm these things?

I had a good Korean friend and everything that I could gather from the society and culture, plus what I heard from a couple American teachers living in Seoul that I met in Thailand, made it sound like a place I wouldn't really want to spend any time at, let alone live in.

Japan on the other hand sounds like a could be off the hook. I know the pay in SoKo is way better, so I'm sure that's why Dash decided to go there.

Anyways, good luck man, thanks for keeping it real and not keyboard jockeying about the sitch over there.

Post: #96

OG beat me to the punch on this. Dash, instead of Thailand or the Phils why not do a recon to Japan and try to network into a teaching job? The pay might not be as good, but put it in perspective. If you're not happy in Korea now, you probably won't be 6 months into it. I've been to both countries and the only thing Korea has I like is Kimchi.

Either way you're not gonna get rich teaching, but what you can gain in Japan would make up for it.

All I'm saying is spend a few days in Tokyo soon, and see where your bearings are then.

Post: #97

There are definitely SOME Japanese girls that will bump and grind and give out IOI's. In general Japanese are more open about sex than Koreans or Chinese.

A good amount of Chinese are open to dating foreigners, Koreans less so. Koreans are the most xenophobic of the three which is funny bc their culture is the least interesting of the three, and many Asians consider Koreans to be ugly.

The hot ones on TV or singers all get plastic surgery. I think 40-50% of Korean girls go under the knife for nose or eye surgery. They have some trying to get surgery to become taller, i shit you not. Why? a tall person will get a job over a short person, or hot over non hot regardless off what the job is.

Having said that I've met some really cool, sweet, and hot Korean girls....outside Korea, where they can bang foreigners and not be judged by society.

Post: #98

OGNor

I def aint no keyboard jockey. Im gonna tell it like it is good or bad. Im def only in Korea for the money. Hell, im only in Asia for the money. Only places that sound like my kinda steez is South East Asia. To me nothing beats Latin America when you combine the hotness and easiness of the women. Ive always had it easy with females growing up, never really had to work for anything so places like Latin America and South East Asia appear more to my liking. I hear good things about Japan, I think I will hit up Tokyo for atleast a 4 day weekend while im here along with Bangkok. BTW I thought the J-girls liked black guys more than white dudes??

Things will get better here. I havent really put in ANY effort and have been keeping a low profile. Im just pissed and sour that the pussy isnt being handed to me on a silver platter like im use to.

Alibla

I certainly aint teaching in Japan (barely make enough to get by). I am ONLY teaching in Asia to be able to save 20k for a year. If I aint saving atleast a stack every month than im way better off teaching in Latin America. Once I figure out the best method to gaming these K-girls and building my social circle things will be alot better imo. Wont be South America good but hey, not to many places are.

I am adding a trip to Tokyo during my stay in Korea. I cant be this close and not check it out. Plus my trip to Thailand or Philippines. I curious to see how different the J-girls and club scene is compared to Korea.

Post: #99

Never been to Korea, but I'm shocked to hear that 70% of the women are 4 or below. Is this kind of skewed by your frustration being there?

Post: #100

Quote:Never been to Korea, but I'm shocked to hear that 70% of the women are 4 or below. Is this kind of skewed by your frustration being there?

Nope. I dont rate women by ANY bias.

Black, white, latino, asian, ect. If they are hot they are hot.

Now my definition of hot by Korean standards is this picture below. This type of chick is in a small minority. Chicks like this are actresses, models and singers. Most Korean girls have big noses and a fat round face. Id break it down like this:

HB1 - HB3 = 20%

HB4 - HB5 = 50%

HB6 = 20%

HB8 - HB10 = 10%