Post: #26

(08-11-2011 09:50 AM)MiXX Wrote:  If I can see any remote chance of avoiding a fight; I will. I've got nothing to prove.

That is actually the best advice. As you said, a fight is never pretty and when you are abroad, it certainly doesn't add to your vacations pleasures.

Post: #27

Last fight I got into was when I was living at my mums and it taught me to never ever get involved in someone else's beef unless you know they can back themselves.

Me and some guys from my block of flats were chilling on a balcony one saturday night just talking and chilling. A couple hoodlums/roadmen rode pass on bikes but I knew them so I said cool and what not. One of the guys I was with who was about a year younger than me threw a coin at one of the guys causing him to drop off his bike, the dude gets vex and said watch I'm coming back for you pussyholes.

The next day my friend gets caught by the guy and gets robbed. I go up to the guy and because I've known him since we were 10 (I used to trade pokemon cards with him) thought he would have just given the stuff back and call it quits but no he had a gun on him and told me if I don't get out of his face then I'm done.
I'm vex at the fact a guy I've known for 10 years (I'm 24) would actually pull a gun out on me as if I was a random person, we get into an arguement and he leaves.
Went out with my family to get some food and then come back home later on in the night.
My front door has been kicked in, the neighbours tell me a group of around 30 guys came looking for me because of this guy and kicked my front door in.
I picked up and knife and went looking for him that night but couldn't find him. If I did find him I wouldn't be typing this right now.
The next day I hear shouting outside my house I look outside on my balcony and it's the guy I tell him wait there as I ran downstairs not having brushed my teeth or wearing any socks. He tries to ride off on his bike and tell me he is going home to get his strap (gun in uk slang) but I kicked him off his bike.
We start fighting and because of my 3+ years studying budo taijutsu I ended up putting 16 stitches in his face and knocked out two of his front teeth.
The police come and see me kicking the shit out of this guy and arrest both of us but then ask me if I was the victim who has his door kicked in by gang members last night and let me go, he spat blood into the face of the police officers and got thrown in the van.
The guy is doing time right now because he got caught with a empty gun and class A drugs on him then he is getting deported when he does his time.
I don't do fights though but made sure to learn martial arts and I might pick up krav maga at some point this year.

Post: #28

Last time I got in a fight, I was actually white knighting. It was back in Spring/Summer 2011, pre-me finding the forum and learning game. I was a bit drunk and probably frustrated, it was when I was still in Oxford, I was coming home with a pizza and saw a big rugby/rower type dude shouting at some girl. Those sort of guys annoy me anyway, but I thought I'd come to her aid.

I said something, and he got really mad... I thought "Oh shit" and he came over and knocked my pizza to the ground. I lost it, and got into a punching/wrestling scuffle with him. He was taller and heavier than me, but it wasn't a mismatch. He did get the better of me though. We got separated, and then started fighting again, and traffic was stopping and stuff. It must have looked pretty epic. He definitely won, and I learnt a lesson not to get involved in other people's business.

I wouldn't white knight anyway now - unless some chick was getting stamped on unconscious or something - I'd try and break that kind of thing up for a man too. I got in a few scraps in uni, and before, and I've got a criminal record, but not a bad one.

Nothing to be proud of, but girls love it. Shame they don't love doctors and stuff anymore.

Post: #29

I hate street fighting. Unfortunately, it seems to be a natural part of the bar/club scene and always has been. I have a bit of a shitty temper, but always keep it under check when I'm out - there's nothing more dangerous than kicking off with a guy you don't know. That's why it's definitely important to crush it in the gym and learn a martial art (and spar regularly) so that when the shit finds you you at least have a means of defending yourself.

To be honest, my first thought when getting started on is how to defuse the situation. Only if that doesn't work will the blows come out, and even then only enough to neutralize the threat giving me time to get the fuck out of there.

Post: #30

Everyone has a plan until the they get punched in the face.

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To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #31

I had a fight 5 years ago on the street. I had a bad mood and some bastard pushed me just in front of my apartment. I punched on his face and knocked down but then I felt something on my head. I did not feel any pain at all. I just remember checking my head with my hand and seeing the blood dropping on and then passed out. It was the bastards friend who hit me on the head with a bottle. When I woke up I found myself in my bed in my bedroom. Appearently my neighbours helped me after the incident. When I fainted I also hit my head on the ground so I had a big bruise near my brow. I never saw them again.

Post: #32

8 months ago in a 7-11. A little mf gave me the evil stare cursing at me (with no reason at all, he was probably high on something) I didnt mind, went for my soda over at the fridge. As far as I can remember he came up to me getting in my face ( I don`t allow that as you are very vulnerable) I put the soda and hotdog on the counter and headbutt him and give him a sollid punching. All hell breaks lose, and the arabs working at the 7-11 came up behind me and started pepperspraying me. Lost sight and went down, got stomped, but luckily I had a supertight guard that kept me from getting injuries. It was the first time I experienced pepperspray...at first I thought it was somekind of accid. Well anyway, police came yadda yadda yadda... The other guy (foreigner) had left the scene... No charges from anyone. My criminal record is clean as a babys ass, and I want it to be that way as I work with security related issues.

I hate fighting over lame stuff, but when someone gets into my face like that they declare war on me. Anyway,not worth fucking up your life one way or another, either by getting any serious injuries yourself or causing a guy to never walk again.

Post: #33

Lol. I like that story. Fighting when you're pepper/OC sprayed sucks. I had to go to some bullshit non lethal/riot weapons course in the Marines to learn how to deal with a riot/crowd control. The Coup de Grace to the course was the instructors spraying you down with military grade pepper spray real nice, and then running through a gauntlet of attackers which you had to subdue with hand to hand and baton techniques.

Never felt worse pain in my life. My face felt like I was making out with the sun for three hours after that I initially got sprayed.

Post: #34

(06-04-2013 12:23 AM)cardguy Wrote:  How common is violence in American bars?

I have being drinking in the UK for 14 years and have never come across a fight in a bar over here.

Depends where you roll.

Generally speaking, higher end places will equal less fights.

Seems to me that fighting seems less common than it did when I was a kid, but it could also be I am rolling to different places.

The some of the beach towns in Southern California used to be a war zone in the 90's. There were nights when when we would get into three fights in a night.

Haven't been in a fight this year yet. Last year one.

However, I am always ready just in case.

Part of the downside of rolling Solo a lot.

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Interesting side note:

I think every single fight I have been in recent years were during nights where I wasn't wearing a Custom Suit.

Post: #35

(06-04-2013 12:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Interesting side note:

I think every single fight I have been in recent years were during nights where I wasn't wearing a Custom Suit.

When suited
- Black gangbanger types step out of my way
- Armenians who usually like to scrap w/randoms step off. Ha, I've had a few even say 'sorry to me' for bumping into me. Unheard of.
- Police give you the "game recognized" nod or compliment your suit

I am not sure if its the suit or the change in my posture and demeanor when wearing power clothing.

Post: #36

Let me talk about one of the more serious fights I got into in my life.

I used to live in a great, stilted apartment in undergrad that was party central. You could open your door, have a keg and within an hour you could be throwing a serious party. Note I used to live with two jacked guys who were bouncers for local bars - my skinny ass relied on them for protection, which they didn't mind because I am good-looking and have many female friends so we fed each other.

Anyway, one night some douchebags came by. It was pretty small, probably about 20 people around our island in the kitchen where we played beer pong. I knew most people and it was chill - just a bunch of friends listening to good music and getting drunk.

Anyway, some douchebags from a party next door came by - about seven of them. My one good friend (same dude in gay fight story on this thread) started talking to them. The leader told him how proud he was his grandfather and his great-grandfather were in the Klu Klux Klan. My friend stopped him short, telling him that sort of racism isn't welcome in this apartment. My friend came to me and told me to tell them to get out. I always trust his word, so I told those dudes to get the fuck out.

The problem is I forget my two jacked roommates were on the other side of town getting drunk. My friend - who is a very good-looking dude but not jacked - went outside for a smoke. A friend of mine went out with him. I pulled a fifth out the freezer and did some shots with the ladies in the apartment. However, after that, I got a sense something was wrong outside.

When I stepped outside, it was a huge confrontation. Multiple apartment doors were open, with people just watching. That racist dude had, apparently, asked my good friend for a smoke and when he refused to give him one, he stepped to him and stomped on his foot.

I walked in right after that and the fight literally started within a minute, cued by me telling the racist dickwad to back the fuck up.

The fight was brutal at first. We were out-numbered at first, but we got help. I took some serious blows to my face and mouth, before some fag stole my hat. My good friend took some serious blows - his polo after the fight was drenched with blood. My other friend was tore up - he was bleeding out on the ground, snoozing hard.

Some bitch called out she was calling the cops. These racist fucks knew they were in the wrong, so they started to flee. We followed them down the stairs to the parking lot. My neighbor got cross-kicked and knocked the fuck out in the parking lot. I got cold-cocked in the head was bleeding out the ear at the point.

The cops must have been just waiting for this because within one minute, we had multiple cops descending on the complex. That asswipe who stole my hat had already tried to drive his car away and was arrested on DUI and theft. The other dickwipes were arrested on public intox and battery.

Nobody in my entourage got arrested on anything. I did personally know the senior responding officer and he took care of us. He let my good friend hold his unloaded assault rifle - fun stuff. My one knocked-out friend got an ambulance and was taken care of. When he saw me, he immediately signaled to his men that 2Wycked had to be on the good side. One of the arrested asswipes claimed we were the aggressors. When the arresting officer asked why, all he could say is that I kicked him out of a party. The cop responded, as he put in the back of the car, "Haven't heard that one before."

Turns out, multiple cops knew the fleeing guys were doing that because they either had arrested them before or had warrants for them. One guy got picked up on, I believe, 3 warrants at the time. As for the others, cops knew them as general rabble-rousers. The dude who got the DUI already had another DUI conviction in the county.

A bad situation that was surprisingly taken care of by the cops.

Post: #37

(06-04-2013 01:37 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 12:23 AM)cardguy Wrote:  How common is violence in American bars?

I have being drinking in the UK for 14 years and have never come across a fight in a bar over here.

Really, I thought fights were pretty common in bars over there in the UK, it seems like British guys get a bit rowdy and aggressive when drinking, is it any different in Ireland?

To give a bit of insight on the 'lad' culture you reference, I've noticed it tends to be the student population getting into the most fights in the UK and Ireland.

From my own extended social circle in my student days, there were about 5 or 6 guys I knew who seemed to get into fights almost weekly. Half of them being big lads who liked to throw their weight around, and the other half doing it purely for entertainment purposes.

The latter three (who I'm ashamed to say I still know and like) would every so often say 'I'm up for a scrap,' half joking and half serious, and the others would basically take the joke to new levels by insulting random guys or their ladies in the hopes of scuffle breaking out.

These were the binge-drinking types doing stupid shit like fat girl rodeos (jumping on the back of a land whale and hanging on for dear life) and stealing people's jackets just to see if they could (I'll admit it was hilarious to see someone casually strolling around a nightclub wearing 5 stolen jackets at the same time).

Of course they were only doing this stuff where there was little likelihood of serious repercussions.

Post: #38

In your teens and early 20s, fighting is not really seen as a big deal. It seems like guys are always looking for an excuse to throw down at that age.

But as you get older and the little injuries start to accumulate, you realize how truly fragile the human body is. And after you see a few particularly brutal fights, you realize that some really nasty injuries can happen in a street fight. Teeth knocked out. Blinded. Face torn open with bottles. Heads being stomped on the ground. Permanent brain damage. It's not just two dudes circling each other throwing punches until one goes down. If you're fighting some random dude, you know absolutely nothing about him, or how far he's willing to go. You might think you're just having a little scrap til you look down and see your guts hanging out of your shirt because the guy pulled a knife while you were wrestling around with him.

And as you start to get your shit together in life, you become less willing to risk fucking it up just for the thrill of tussling with some lowlife. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Even if you knock a dude out clean, you might get sued for his medical bills, or even worse he might hit his head on a curb and die or become a vegetable for life.

I would advise guys to avoid street fights as much as possible. Lift weights, train a martial art, carry yourself with confidence, mind your own business and practice situational awareness. Do these things and you can avoid 99% of fights. For the 1% where trouble finds you, end it quick and get the hell out of there.

Post: #39

(06-05-2013 03:54 PM)scorpion Wrote:  In your teens and early 20s, fighting is not really seen as a big deal. It seems like guys are always looking for an excuse to throw down at that age.

But as you get older and the little injuries start to accumulate, you realize how truly fragile the human body is. And after you see a few particularly brutal fights, you realize that some really nasty injuries can happen in a street fight. Teeth knocked out. Blinded. Face torn open with bottles. Heads being stomped on the ground. Permanent brain damage. It's not just two dudes circling each other throwing punches until one goes down. If you're fighting some random dude, you know absolutely nothing about him, or how far he's willing to go. You might think you're just having a little scrap til you look down and see your guts hanging out of your shirt because the guy pulled a knife while you were wrestling around with him.

And as you start to get your shit together in life, you become less willing to risk fucking it up just for the thrill of tussling with some lowlife. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Even if you knock a dude out clean, you might get sued for his medical bills, or even worse he might hit his head on a curb and die or become a vegetable for life.

I would advise guys to avoid street fights as much as possible. Lift weights, train a martial art, carry yourself with confidence, mind your own business and practice situational awareness. Do these things and you can avoid 99% of fights. For the 1% where trouble finds you, end it quick and get the hell out of there.

I agree. One thing I always say to myself and others, "Never argue with someone who has nothing to lose." Nothing restrains that person from going into the darkness.

Just not worth it, though there is that urge to fight, just gotta realize it is most likely your ego and whatever emotional baggage you are carrying around. If you want to discussing sourcing and that whole birds of a feather thing - if you are raging inside it makes it understandable that you would bring another person into your space feeling the same way and creating a conflict.

It takes two to tango, so if a fight breaks out, you might want to ask yourself how you made it happen.

A friend of mine was telling me about a woman was killed by a cab while crossing the street in NYC many years ago. Yes, you could blame the bad cabbie. But you gotta ask, did she look both ways? Just because you got the light to cross don't mean anything, why wasn't she being present? Checking her cell phone? How about the dumb chick who fell through a man hole cover a few years ago because she was on cell phone texting.

I hate making turns in LA when there is a crosswalk. People will stand around fucking on their phone what not and they are near the curb so you don't know what their intentions are. Light turns green, person ain't moving, so I will make the turn, but I keep an eye on the dumb fucks, and more than 90% of the time after a couple seconds they look up see they can cross and start moving - and not even look if a car is there.

When I cross streets I look both ways because though I may be in the right, I don't feel the need to get hit. I will start cussing out the fuckers, but no need to get hit.

My point is sure - one person may claim to be a victim, but it could have been avoided. Fights are like that.

See a fight starting and don't know who is involved, maybe you should leave rather than watch and get "accidentally" hit by gunfire. But was it an accident? Or did you create that by sticking around for the show? I know a bit extreme of an example.

Post: #40

Quick question for the American guys. When you were young and getting into scraps, weren't you guys scared of people pulling guns in fights for the stupidest shit? I know if guns were widely available here, I, or my mates, or the guys we were fighting with probably would have pulled them. Not saying used them though. And I'm a fairly middle class kid too, I guess I don't understand the culture. However, I think in America the classes are a lot more separate. For example, if you go to a comprehensive (state run) school in Britain, kids from all backgrounds mix, whereas I'm not sure that happens in the states, so the idea of middle class kids fighting with 'rough' kids is maybe a little alien?

Post: #41

(06-05-2013 03:54 PM)scorpion Wrote:  In your teens and early 20s, fighting is not really seen as a big deal. It seems like guys are always looking for an excuse to throw down at that age.

But as you get older and the little injuries start to accumulate, you realize how truly fragile the human body is. And after you see a few particularly brutal fights, you realize that some really nasty injuries can happen in a street fight. Teeth knocked out. Blinded. Face torn open with bottles. Heads being stomped on the ground. Permanent brain damage. It's not just two dudes circling each other throwing punches until one goes down. If you're fighting some random dude, you know absolutely nothing about him, or how far he's willing to go. You might think you're just having a little scrap til you look down and see your guts hanging out of your shirt because the guy pulled a knife while you were wrestling around with him.

And as you start to get your shit together in life, you become less willing to risk fucking it up just for the thrill of tussling with some lowlife. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Even if you knock a dude out clean, you might get sued for his medical bills, or even worse he might hit his head on a curb and die or become a vegetable for life.

I would advise guys to avoid street fights as much as possible. Lift weights, train a martial art, carry yourself with confidence, mind your own business and practice situational awareness. Do these things and you can avoid 99% of fights. For the 1% where trouble finds you, end it quick and get the hell out of there.

Great advice scorpion.

I can support this wholeheartedly. The guys I referenced a few posts above actually began antagonizing another guy I knew who had a knife on him and I had to persuade him not to do anything stupid in response to what were essentially real life trolls, for the sake of himself and my other friends.

I've seen a few sucker punches thrown too, again among uni students. One guy came charging out of a club, knocked a lad out cold and promptly ran away, only to be chased down by bouncers and handed over to police. I'm sure he's regretting that now.

I have no proper fight stories that included me to contribute but I've always tried to abide by what scorpion said.

Post: #42

(06-05-2013 04:54 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Quick question for the American guys. When you were young and getting into scraps, weren't you guys scared of people pulling guns in fights for the stupidest shit? I know if guns were widely available here, I, or my mates, or the guys we were fighting with probably would have pulled them. Not saying used them though. And I'm a fairly middle class kid too, I guess I don't understand the culture. However, I think in America the classes are a lot more separate. For example, if you go to a comprehensive (state run) school in Britain, kids from all backgrounds mix, whereas I'm not sure that happens in the states, so the idea of middle class kids fighting with 'rough' kids is maybe a little alien?

For the TLDR crowd: You only have to worry about getting shot in the US if the people you're fucking with are more or less criminals. Average Joe fighting at a bar isn't going to pull a gat. But if you fuck with dudes who are gang members or are from a certain neighborhood with a reputation, it could go that way. Moral of the story, watch your back if you want to start shit.

Anyways, I've been looking for a good reason for a first post, so I'll take a stab at your question. The guns thing is incredibly overblown in the media. In the US, gun violence mostly occurs in pockets- sects of society if you will. Take a look at Chicago, its certain neighborhoods in the city where all the gun stuff is going down. I live in DC, lived in Indiana and then moved back. In Indiana lots of common folk owned guns, I'm talking AKs, AR-15s, handguns, etc... Yet our town's murder rate was very low, in the single digits and a few were with knives. In DC its the opposite. Not too many common folk owning guns but almost every dude I knew from the street with a rapsheet carried a gun all the time.

I'll leave this link here for those of you who are more intrested in getting a better understanding of the US "gun issue." The FBI has compiled the stats on killings with certain types of weapons. Take a look at the section called rifles. For all the hype in the media about assault rifles, about 2% of all murders in the entire country involved one. The problem here is honestly mostly young black men killing each other. Not exactly politically correct but true. Every once in a while we have the nutjob that goes crazy in a school, but that's the exception not the rule.

Post: #43

(06-05-2013 04:54 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Quick question for the American guys. When you were young and getting into scraps, weren't you guys scared of people pulling guns in fights for the stupidest shit? I know if guns were widely available here, I, or my mates, or the guys we were fighting with probably would have pulled them. Not saying used them though. And I'm a fairly middle class kid too, I guess I don't understand the culture. However, I think in America the classes are a lot more separate. For example, if you go to a comprehensive (state run) school in Britain, kids from all backgrounds mix, whereas I'm not sure that happens in the states, so the idea of middle class kids fighting with 'rough' kids is maybe a little alien?

The classes mix in our schools too.

Anyways, like anything in the media, the prevalence of gun violence is pretty hyped. I reckon I've been in around a hundred "altercations" in my lifetime, if not more, and a gun only came into the scenario four times that I can remember - three of which it was only mentioned. The guy that pulled it out was only bluffing and ended up getting his ass kicked.

People who don't fight so much have a very slim chance of ever seeing a gun brandished. Even with the number of pieces floating around, it's pretty taboo to pull one for a fight - societies have their way of weeding out that kind of behavior.

I come from a pretty rural area though, so maybe it's different where I'm from.

Even still, I do think the potential for shit to escalate to dangerous levels, even without guns, is reason enough to do everything you can to avoid a fight.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #44

A friend of a friend was recently stabbed with a 6-inch blade after trying to break up a fight between two strangers. This happened during the day outside a Home Depot. From what I heard, he was stabbed around his heart area and it didn’t look like he was going to make it.

Just be careful guys. If two people want to risk getting killed, that’s their own decision. If someone’s being disrespectful, don’t get pissed off and try to put him in his place. His life is unlikely headed in a positive direction anyway.

Post: #45

I've been in one serious fight in my life, I've also been involved in many scraps and random assaults that are so common in Glasgow. I actually carry a scar on my lip from getting punched by some random guy in a bar years back.

The serious fight I was in came out of no where. It was a Saturday night and I had been at a wedding, I was suited up and had been drinking heavily. I met my friend Danny in a club to continue drinking. After the club closed Danny and I headed to a chip shop nearby, then walked back to the club entrance with our food to get a taxi.

As we approached the club we saw our friend Paul with a bloodied nose. When we asked what had happened he pointed to a short neddy looking guy in a black shirt across the road and said 'he just head butted me'. The black shirted ned shouted to his friend who began whistling very loud to gather another 5 guys who they were out with. I could see the way the wind was blowing so I quickly got no my phone to start calling friends who were 5 mins away. I called my friend Gordon who as it turned out was literally across the street, said 'we're about to get in a fight, we're at kfc, bring friends.'.

The black shirted guy walked over to get right in Paul's face 'whit you looking at?', Paul said you head butted me, at which a scuffle broke out. Paul is no small dude and dropped the black shirt and grabbed two others, effectively fighting with three guys for the duration. My friend Danny grabbed the biggest guy of the group, who while skinny, stood a good 6 inches taller than Danny.

I turned round to a scene of insanity, with Paul seemingly getting the best of three guys, and Danny seemingly being out done by one guy and three more coming at him. I hung up the phone, put down my food(carefully, gotta watch out for your food) and threw what I thought was a straight right at the guy fighting Danny. I've later been told by two girls who came to witness in court that it was a 'superman punch', and not the kind you see in cage fighting, as in I threw my full body into the guys face with a single out stretched fist as if I was superman flying. Despite the poor form my punch worked and he got knocked out, at this point the 3 guys who had been beside Danny started shouting about how they don't want to fight, and Danny and I started shouting and pointing at the three guys still fighting Paul, we threw them off Paul and their mates sort of got in there way. There was more shouting and the occasional step forward with clench fists that were met with punches.

Suddenly the police swooped in and arrested everyone except Paul, Danny, and I. One of the guy's attempted to walk away and got pretty far up the street before two girls identified him. Statements were taken from Paul and myself, the police ignored Danny, and he didn't volunteer that he'd been involved. Paul went away in an ambulance, I went home in a Taxi, opponents in a police van.

The next day I got a call from Paul in the hospital thanking me for getting his back. I felt pretty guilty that he'd been hurt and I was fine, I was actually making my hungover way to work. Turns out the black shirt had slashed Paul across the eyebrow during the fight. He's still got a scar to this day. Danny caught a few licks and had bruises. I strolled away untouched.

Later I was called as a witness to the slashing, after not showing up 3 times the black shirt plead guilty. Paul still mentions it in pubs sometimes but I don't really feel like I did anything.

Post: #46

(06-06-2013 05:36 AM)Statsi Wrote:  I've been in one serious fight in my life, I've also been involved in many scraps and random assaults that are so common in Glasgow.

Fuck fighting in Scotland. You boys are crazy.

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"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #47

I wonder if like 10 years from now, with the popularity of MMA and Martial arts in general, if people will steam off in the ring rather than the bar? In my muay thai club I really can`t see many guys going out trying their new combo in a bar-fight, unless it´s for defense...it´s really a humble and friendly atmosphere with many champions and no macho-types. We can only hope!

Post: #48

@ cardguy. Seriously? In 14 years in UK never seen a bar fight.....lol I guess you do not frequent pubs and bars north of Watford then!

Post: #49

Never been in a serious fight since grade school. I smashed some kid's head against a radiator in first grade on the first day of school and after that I never got into a fight again. The principal was very kind and understanding but he made me feel bad.

I've had numerous times when guys have stepped up to me, which happens because I'm cocky and arrogant, but somehow I have the golden-tongue and manage to talk my way out of a fight.

Hopefully the good luck persists.

Post: #50

(06-06-2013 05:29 PM)sportbilly Wrote:  @ cardguy. Seriously? In 14 years in UK never seen a bar fight.....lol I guess you do not frequent pubs and bars north of Watford then!

I drink in mainly student type bars. It is pretty easy in my town to work out which are the rough bars and which are the nice ones. I guess that has helped me.

Also - I think evolution has blessed me with the aility to avoid trouble. It might be fun to be blessed with awesome fighting abilities and what not. But instead I don't take any chances. If I am alone at night and see a group of guys coming towards me - I will casually look at my phone (as if I am remembering something) and then cross the road.

I used to do a similar thing when walking past groups of guys late at night. As I drew level with them I would glance down at my watch. But alas I don't have a watch anymore.

I find 99% of fights can be avoided. Often a long time before shit kicks off. There is a lot of subtle body language in the build up to a fight. And when you figure it out it helps to defuse the situation. The best tip is to pretend you have just remembered something and then just get the fuck out of there.

With all that said. I am 31 now - and don't really go out anymore. Since my friends are all settling down - and I can easily live with not going out. I don't miss it.