Post: #51

I dunno I was in Shanghai pulled up tan tan matched with 300+ in less then a week. A lot of picture 7s too, but of course could mean they are 6s taking good pictures. The two I met were realistic 6.5, and once I spoke Mandarin it was quite simple from there. Compliment with tinder for the foreign gals and basic game sealed the deal.

Then again i am AA so much easier. But if could write Chinese fluently results would have skyrocketed.

I found China to be easier for pale girls then Philippines for example. Being pale is not unique in China.

Post: #52

Being pale in china is a massive DHV. Massive, massive, massive. I've had girls say to me, "I hope my kids come out pale" and all manner of strange shit. Being pale in the Philipines is probably an even bigger DHV because they're all brown, but most Chinese people are tan. However, most chinese people don't make it to the big cities or abroad. In a city like SH a lot of those girls aren't your average farm girl. Matching on tantan is shit. I could show you my tantan list and I have a lot of girls who look like 7s as well. If they aren't meeting you, then they may as well not exist. If you are going out and pulling 7+ quality girls in china consistently that is pretty solid. I know there are players on here who can do it and I know some of them, but china (IMO) is not that easy.

Post: #53

(10-21-2016 11:16 PM)Gyro Wrote:  Hey guys, I've recently been on a role, and have a one month free period coming up from Dec-Jan. I have enough money saved up to travel somewhere, and I thought this would be a good opportunity to go practice my dating game since I don't have that much experience with that.

I'm planning on pipelining through online resources and going on high volume of dates through that method but I need to pick a country.

I was orginially going to practice in the phillipeans but things have been crazy lately, so I'm looking at either the Dominican Republic or maybe some other SE Asian country.

I'm not down to go to South America because I had a bad experience in Peru with some bad people so Im staying away from that area for now.

To get you started:

Indonesia: Jakarta (the best place for girls), Bali (not as good for game, but better as a travel destination than Jakarta).
Philippines: Manila, Cebu.

Get tinder plus for a month and swipe in these cities (and others), read the reports on RVF and decide which destination suits you best.

You won't learn advanced game by banging Tinder and club sluts who slept with dozens of guys before you including some RVFers. (Btw, wear rubbers). However, you'll still learn a lot as a newbie:
-What works and what doesn't work on dates.
-How to do club pulls, first date bangs, zero date bangs and all that stuff guys write about on the forum.
-What the term "secret society" (look it up) really means.
-What the girl means if she says she is a "model", why more often than not it's BS and your time is better spent with a girl who doesn't call herself that but may be more attractive than those who do.
-etc.

No, that's not enough for you to get good at game, but if you totally suck now, it's enough to put you on the path to get better.

Guys who say that OP won't learn game from traveling to "easy" countries: I get where you are coming from, but for advanced players, it may be hard to understand what it's like out there for a newbie. Imagine a poor schmuck who was raised in a feminist society and fed all kinds of bullshit like "be yourself", "find your better half", "she is out of your league", etc. A trip to an "easy country" will help a guy like that really swallow the red pill and not just understand, but experience and internalize a lot of things that more advanced players take for granted.

Post: #54

Guys how would you compare China with Taiwan? Been to the later and didn't like it too much- China sounds interesting when you write about it.

Post: #55

(10-24-2016 02:23 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:37 AM)HOD Wrote:  Dude, I didn't mean to be a dick,

I just answer the question you ask.

That was the truth. That's how a lot of guys feel about the topic.

A lot of dudes on the forum view online guy as being lazy and not being more of a "innovative Casanova"

My second paragraph wasn't a direct respons to you but rather to previous post in this topic. And I see what you are saying, but online game has it's advantages too, and to label it as 'not game' is not fair when guys actually get laid doing it. 'Counting on you best friend to set you up with girls constantly' sound like social circle game to me, and I don't see anything wrong with that either.

Disagree, social circle games require more high level social skill and a significant barrier to entry, in terms of: understanding which network and where to network within a particular city or location, to extract or connect with a certain type of girls.

Furthermore, social circle game require high level of social skill, i.e. understanding how to handle high net worth people or high status people.

Where as noobs or people with Asperger cannot connect with these type of people, due to lack of understanding or sophistication.

Compare to online game, your more dependent on your picture and how tall you are, it doesn't have a high barrier to entry.

There is a tremendous high barrier to entry if your trying to bang a certain type of girls, i.e. cheerleaders, strippers, actress or models.

For example if you want to bang models, you will have to understand the industry, where the girls frequent, who is connected to these types of girls, and more importantly how you would network your way in.

Post: #56

(10-24-2016 10:24 PM)HOD Wrote:  Disagree, social circle games require more high level social skill and a significant barrier to entry, in terms of: understanding which network and where to network within a particular city or location, to extract or connect with a certain type of girls.

Furthermore, social circle game require high level of social skill, i.e. understanding how to handle high net worth people or high status people.

Where as noobs or people with Asperger cannot connect with these type of people, due to lack of understanding or sophistication.

Compare to online game, your more dependent on your picture and how tall you are, it doesn't have a high barrier to entry.

There is a tremendous high barrier to entry if your trying to bang a certain type of girls, i.e. cheerleaders, strippers, actress or models.

For example if you want to bang models, you will have to understand the industry, where the girls frequent, who is connected to these types of girls, and more importantly how you would network your way in.

You yourself were the one who draw that parallel.

Post: #57

(10-24-2016 09:40 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Being pale in china is a massive DHV. Massive, massive, massive. I've had girls say to me, "I hope my kids come out pale" and all manner of strange shit. Being pale in the Philipines is probably an even bigger DHV because they're all brown, but most Chinese people are tan. However, most chinese people don't make it to the big cities or abroad. In a city like SH a lot of those girls aren't your average farm girl. Matching on tantan is shit. I could show you my tantan list and I have a lot of girls who look like 7s as well. If they aren't meeting you, then they may as well not exist. If you are going out and pulling 7+ quality girls in china consistently that is pretty solid. I know there are players on here who can do it and I know some of them, but china (IMO) is not that easy.

Could be true. Like I said only met up with 2, both 6.5 in person, 7 in pictures over the week, both SNL. The rest via Tinder, which had lots of foreign and a few overseas Chinese. I think though if you can write in Mandarin results would be 10x better, seems like a lot of convos went nowhere cause they can't speak English.

The local Chinese were by far the hardest to get to bang, had to navigate lots of LMR. Expat women being the easiest of course.

Then again, I don't have the time to spend learning how to fluently write Mandarin. Semi verbal fluency seems to get me by.

Definitely don't need advanced game, intermediate game (logistics / shield lowering) seems sufficient enough. But not newbie friendly at all I agree. Again this is Shanghai, so perhaps 2nd/3rd tier cities need to go a completely different route.

Post: #58

If all you wanted was to work on game, I would say find a city where the population replenishes itself every day and isn't too conservative, a tourist spot with younger demographics.

It would be like Groundhog Day every day, just with different girls.

From a purely "learning game" perspective, that seems like a solid bet.

Linux hit it from a solid angle though, it just takes time, it's a process.

I'll add that game isn't really about knowing women...it's more than that...it's about knowing yourself.

Post: #59

Game goes along with confidence and experience and they affect one another. Just having more confidence and good experience will better your game, so going for easy lays just to start out is a smart move IMO.

I would also suggest Philippines/Thailand/China. BTW in the Philippines you can use Tinder to meet 8s and even higher and many of them aren't interested in your money so it's a great experience because it feels like dating a western girl (they are fluent in English) who is just easier and easy going. Filipina girls are so cool!

That's my 50 cents...

Post: #60

(10-24-2016 08:09 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I love you guys harping on and on about getting laid back home. I was getting laid back home and I now live in China for better weather, better career opportunities and hotter chicks with the same amount of effort. I'm not sure where dudes are getting the idea that everyone living abroad is living in a pussy paradise that requires minimal effort. At least 20 guys on this forum who are in and around Asia could attest to the fact that I put in a decent amount of work to pull girls in China. This isn't chipotle. You can't just stroll in and bang Chinese 7+ without some sort of game. Furthermore, what's up with all the travel hate? There is a travel section for a reason. You think Roosh was flying to Russia and Colombia strictly to get "deeper" into the culture? Give me a break. You guys can stay in NJ and bang those chicks and I'll hang out in Asia and bang Asian girls. You'll get no hate from me for doing your thing back home, so I don't get why you guys are hating on those of us who live abroad and do our thing out here. Bottom line: getting laid in asia is easier than back home, but getting laid in East Asia is not a picnic. Any of you guys saying otherwise should show up in china and show me how it's done.

Amen brother, the hate on this thread by some of the posters is absolutely unreal, like this guy just asking on the TRAVEL SECTION what are some of the best game spots to get a little practice. I think there is a lot of saltiness here by people stuck in fuckshit american suburbia and can't get out or pissy guys with game so shitty they don't even get it in SE asia. The subtext I read is "If I can't have it easy then you don't deserve to have it easy either"

Fuck these guys, go out and get your dick wet, why bother trying to learn some kind of jedi game to bang some Australian 5 when there are tons of hotties waiting for you in eastern europe, se asia and latin america.

Post: #61

(10-24-2016 07:03 PM)chicane Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 06:36 PM)headovertail Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 09:54 AM)churros Wrote:  If you're crushed in the western world, you deserve to be ruled out of the gene pool. The only justification for sex tourism is if you are an extreme hard case newb. Even then, better to sort your life out, not seek easy tinder notches.

This thread is making me cringe. OP, go to newbie forum and pay your dues like everyone else.

Get off your high horse.

Right, sure, uh-huh. And the best way to deadlift 500lbs is to get a 500lb weight and spend all your time trying to lift it. You'll develop the ability in no time.

It has nothing to do with whether the information is accurate or whether I agree with the actual information provided (I don't), but rather, it's his attitude, and yours too. OP is seeking advice, in a friendly way.

Post: #62

(10-24-2016 10:09 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  Guys who say that OP won't learn game from traveling to "easy" countries: I get where you are coming from, but for advanced players, it may be hard to understand what it's like out there for a newbie. Imagine a poor schmuck who was raised in a feminist society and fed all kinds of bullshit like "be yourself", "find your better half", "she is out of your league", etc. A trip to an "easy country" will help a guy like that really swallow the red pill and not just understand, but experience and internalize a lot of things that more advanced players take for granted.

I cosign with what Brodiaga said.

I think it needs to be said -- gaming in "easy" countries is not THAT easy unless you are going for low quality (5s or under).

In "easy" countries, you just have more options, and you learn a lot about women in much shorter period of time. You get smarter and more red pilled.

I can understand the argument that using Tinder isn't real game. Imagine flying 7,000 miles away from home to a place you've never been, only to stay in your hotel room and swipe on Tinder. You'll have to ask yourself, what are you doing with your life?

It's a depressing thought, indeed. So fuck that shit, and get out there and experience new things.

BUT I wouldn't entirely discount meeting girls online as long as you are living life, traveling to wherever you want, working on your business and earning money, and reaching your fitness goals.

Online apps brings you options in front of you. Just like approaching that girl over there.

Only when you have a girl in front of you, it begins. Game, set, match. Nothing before that moment counts as game (other than fitness and looks).

If you don't have any game, you could meet tinder chicks left and right and not get laid.

You still need game. *Even in the Philippines. To say otherwise is not seeing reality for what it is.

*My post here assumes that you are at least going for some decent quality

Post: #63

(10-24-2016 10:21 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  Guys how would you compare China with Taiwan? Been to the later and didn't like it too much- China sounds interesting when you write about it.

If you didn't like Taiwan, I would say you'd like China even less. It depends on what you didn't like about Taiwan, tell us more.

Post: #64

I'm considering going somewhere like the Philippines next year as i'm getting nowhere with UK girls AT ALL!

I'm just hoping it's as easy as people make out! I'd feel a bit suicidal if I failed to get laid after that long as flight after hearing about how easy it is if you're white!!

Post: #65

Let me suggest a compromise to practising back home and going abroad. As long as you're in acceptable age range, get a job in some kind of tourist venue in your own country, or join the international students unions, go to bars where international students go out.

Going for girls who are in your city for a limited time, but not just visiting, dramatically lowers bitch shields and increases your status as a local she wants to hook up with.

If you're European, consider getting a job as a bartender in one of the Greek/Bulgarian/Spanish party summer spots, same thing.

I don't think places like Thailand are great to learn from, a lot of stuff you learn are culturally very specific and not applicable in the West. Phils is better since it is more Westernized and China/Taiwan is also good since there is a large group of middle class women with schooling and who are not jaded by sextourism.

Post: #66

(11-10-2016 07:47 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  I'm considering going somewhere like the Philippines next year as i'm getting nowhere with UK girls AT ALL!

I'm just hoping it's as easy as people make out! I'd feel a bit suicidal if I failed to get laid after that long as flight after hearing about how easy it is if you're white!!

You'll probably get laid but you are starting from the bottom.

Post: #67

Just because you're not getting pussy in the western world doesn't mean you will scraping the bottom of the barrel in Phils. I know this from experience and i have photographic evidence most of the girls i fucked were quality . Having said all that i'm kinda really good looking, white and 6 foot 1 so i had a pretty huge advantage. You'll quickly realize how to spot a scummy dirt poor girl, i don't care how poor they are but generally speaking these types are extremely boring and stupid, like really dumb, you don't want to be near them. Like 20nation said sleeping with a lot of women will knock all of them off the pedestal and build your confidence sky high and you can learn some basic game too. Is it such a crime this guy wants to go overseas holiday and have some fun, maybe fuck a few girls? Who gives a fuck.

Post: #68

Roosh talks about this topic in one of his recent podcast :




I agree with most guys here that you should practice in your own country first. There's no reason to wait. Then go abroad and have fun!