Post: #151

(11-22-2016 08:08 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I know it feels shitty to go out with girls you aren't attracted to but we all have to start somewhere.... You really need the practice.

Do you think ALL the girls I have or many successful guys here gamed or even slept with are attractive???

Alright, I will go arrange a date with her. I don't know if I'll be able to show a lot of enthusiasm though on the date with my non-verbals though but I'll try.

Post: #152

well, from my own opinion after reading all texts i got the conclusion that many men still think that the grass is always greener on the other side but women are the same everywhere. if you didnt get so much success with them in your own country, it wont be so different in other parts of the world.

Post: #153

(11-23-2016 08:44 AM)Odin.fils.de.bor Wrote:  well, from my own opinion after reading all texts i got the conclusion that many men still think that the grass is always greener on the other side but women are the same everywhere. if you didnt get so much success with them in your own country, it wont be so different in other parts of the world.

I agree, but I think there are exceptions ; Phililpines for a white guy for example. My friend teaches out there and lives like a playboy, and he never got laid here in the UK. Out there he feels like Justin Bieber in the clubs!

But yeah, I think going places that gets mentioned lots that are full of beautiful girls like Eastern Europe probably only increases your odds by like 10% or something. Still need to be 'attractive' (looks/'game'/whatever)

Post: #154

(11-23-2016 06:59 AM)destiny Wrote:  Is it as simple as just inviting her over after the sushi? I don't know how to do this properly. I never invited a chick over before. "Hey want to come over to see some photos of my travels or watch a movie?" Well for the third date I was just planning on inviting her over right away to my place for dinner. I was going to use the excuse "I'll make you dinner." to get her to come over.

Yes it is that easy. Don't get in your own head too much during the date and have fun with her. Even if she doesn't want to after you brought it up a couple of times -don't give up right away- you at least had a fun night giving you positive energy for the next girl.

Again, I'd really advise you to read the approach thread, logs from other guys in your situation and the famous First Date Bang threads (they might seem overwhelming but you'll be inspired!).

Post: #155

(11-22-2016 09:03 PM)TripleG Wrote:  @destiny, don't put yourself down. You've made more approaches over the course of your 1.5 months of travels than most guys make their whole life and have succeeded in getting digits and dates. So what if there have been no bangs. I'm sure you'll get some once you're back home as ypu will be much wiser.
Now just imagine if you actually listened to me and ran some coffee shop game

I don't think that's possible in Toronto. I went out practically everyday for 6-8 months 2 years ago and got very little results. The return on investment was just not worth it there. To make matters worse, there's a huge rsd presence there where dudes with creepy game go and spam approach every chick in sight in the downtown core and a few other university campuses. I've unfortunately even winged with a few of them in the past and they have been doing for years without improving or calibrating their approaches. Dudes would just go and approach one girl right after another with the line "hey, your cute or I think your cute.". Girls have been approached by so many dudes that they all have bitch shields and now there are laws being passed that could get you charged with sexual harassment just for saying hi to chicks on the street. I need to get the fuck out of that city if I ever hope to fix my dating life. My parents have asked me if I want to go Vietnam for 1 month in January with them. I'm really considering it as it'll allow me more time to hone my dating/seduction skills even if it means I'm stuck with them for 1 month as they criticize me everyday and drive me nuts.

P.S. I finally found a bookstore that actually sold books in English so we'll test it out tomorrow

Post: #156

Day 19:

I followed the advice about trying to arrange a date with that average/ugly looking chick that gave me her facebook yesterday but guess what.

her:
hey! nice to meet you too!
now i'm really busy - have presentations next week
and my projects are hm... shitty
but i will let you know if we will go out some day, maybe end of next week? im not sure, we just moved to new flat with my boyfriend, and we have to refresh it totally

wtf? bf? Why the fuck did she even bother to ask for my facebook and suggest going out for a beer then? Now I kind of got rejected by a ugly looking chick who I didn't even have any interest in even seeing again.

I also messaged that chick who I botched the date with and she said she's free on the weekend but when I suggested either friday or saturday. She's like maybe Sunday so I tell her I'm busy until after 7pm on Sunday and she tells me she thinks its ok but will let me know. Hmm... not sure what to make of it. Also that blonde chick from Lithuania finally responded back to my text. She read it 2 days ago but replied today so I said fuck, I ain't replying back immediately. I'm going to reply back tomorrow and suggest a meetup and if she doesn't agree I'm removing her from my facebook.

I was walking around the Rynek earlier today and ran into the Armenian. He goes and tells me that he fucked the American chick last night. I couldn't believe it and then he tells me a French guy fucked her right after he was done with her as well. He was like she was too easy. Holy shit, I don't know how he did it but he's obviously doing something that I'm not. I'm really happy for him that he got laid with her, but at the same time I'm kind of pissed off at myself for not knowing what to do when it comes to women. Its like I'm always one step behind. He made it sound so fucking easy yet I'm struggling every step of the fucking way...

I was planning to follow tripleG's advice about the coffee shop pickup and had to walk to three different fucking bookstores before finding one that actually sold English books. I was lead to a corner with a small basket full of old wrinkled up English books. Half of the books in the pile was in German too. I just grabbed some random book called Kai Lung's Golden Hours and went on my way. All of the book stores unfortunately were empty by this time though.

Post: #157

You did not get rejected. She has a boyfriend which means you didn't have a chance in the first place. (At least I see it that way. I dont believe in gaming girls with boyfriends.. just too much headwind)

From reading your stories it seems that you need to be somewhat direct with girls in Poland and ask them if they have a boyfriend BEFORE asking them on a date. I would NOT normally say that as I dont do it myself but these girls there seem fucking strange.

Ridiculous that girls will agree to meet up with random guys and have boyfriends.

Post: #158

(11-23-2016 07:03 PM)destiny Wrote:  Day 19: the Armenian. He goes and tells me that he fucked the American chick last night. I couldn't believe it and then he tells me a French guy fucked her right after he was done with her as well.

Shit. Did he go into much detail about how that happened? Not only him, but how some French dude managed to also bang her minutes after!?

If you were with them, maybe you could have been 3rd in line!

Post: #159

(11-24-2016 04:33 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

(11-23-2016 07:03 PM)destiny Wrote:  Day 19: the Armenian. He goes and tells me that he fucked the American chick last night. I couldn't believe it and then he tells me a French guy fucked her right after he was done with her as well.

Shit. Did he go into much detail about how that happened? Not only him, but how some French dude managed to also bang her minutes after!?

If you were with them, maybe you could have been 3rd in line!

Not yet. He's been kind of avoiding me since I lent him the money which I already told him not to worry. He only briefly told me he banged her in the toilet at the hostel he's staying at that she works in.

Post: #160

Day 20:

Woke up a little earlier today, had lunch. The place was packed today and I couldn't find any seats. I was supposed to meet up with a forum member today but couldn't get any seats. While scanning the place, I made eye contact with one chick who I noticed was looking at me. She was cute but seated with her group of friends. I didn't know how to approach her plus I found it awkward to be scanning the restaurant and standing there waiting for a table to become free. Anyways after waiting a while, I finally grab a table. Immediately after this, I notice one girl approach a girl in a table in front of me asking if she could sit down and eat there. This then gave me a great idea. I would go when the place is packed and if I got a table, I would invite chicks to come sit down at my table if I saw any of them looking around or if there wasn't any tables, I would go and approach a chick and ask if I could sit down. Once I'm settled I could easily open them and start gaming them. I don't know why I didn't think about this sooner. Unfortunately just as I came up with this idea and started to scan around, some dude and his gf approached my table asking if the seats are free. I was kind of hesitant to give it to them but said sure they could sit down. Not sure if I should have told him to go find another spot but soon a lot of chicks started to flood the line ups and I was kind of pissed. I suppose this a a variation of the coffee shop approach game that was suggested by TripleG.

After finishing lunch I met up with the forum member. The guy had no approach anxiety and started to approach girls soon, unfortunately he had no luck. I noticed he was using indirect but then quickly giving his cards all away right after by asking the girls to give him a tour guide of the city immediately after opening them. A few minutes later, I get approached by some cute promoter chick asking me if I want to sign up for a tour. I told her no thanks but since she was so aggressive about it I flipped the switch and started to game her. I started to tease the shit out of her saying bullshit like can I just pay you the money and just drive the tour car around the old town instead? Do you have auto insurance in case I get into an accident? You can be my assistant or other bullshit like does the seats come with a pillow for me to sleep in? She was enjoying the interaction but I soon bid her farewell to focus on the task at hand. My wing is like dude you should have asked for her number, she was digging it or something. A little later, I ran into her again but my wing kind of killed the intrigue and mystery by approaching her and telling her I wanted her number or something which she promptly said no to. I did exchange a few words with her and then exchanged names and she gave me a firm handshake and said maybe we will see each other again tomorrow or something.

I tell him, let's go approach a pair together so that we can critique each other's sets. I immediately see a single target and open her with an indirect opener but she says she's in a rush. Then I see two girls and open them but my wing jumped in too quickly and asked them for a tour guide before I even transitioned the conversation over and the set was ruined. We walk a little bit and then I see another two girls and open them. I kind of hook one of them and we start bantering but then my wing comes in and uses the same line again about asking for them to show us around which killed the set. My wing wanted to grab a beer after that so we headed to Bania Luka. Inside, my wing see's two girls seated by the windows and soon opens them using his phone as a prop. He asks them where's a good club but the girls could tell what he was after by his vibe and just politely answered him but gave no more info, essentially killing the interaction. We then both spot a chick walk up to the counter and order some food. My wing goes over and approaches her but gets blown out immediately. He comes back and says she says she has a bf. Soon, a british backpacker dude approaches our table and starts talking to us but I notice that girl was still there eating her food alone, with no bf in sight so I figured I would give it a try as well using a more discrete method. I walk up to the bar around, grab a menu, pause for a few seconds and then kind of casually glance over at her plate of food and then open her.

me: hey, what is that? Spinach. Points to her plate of food
her: its spinach in a pancake
me: Ah, yeah, its all green and stuff. I figured it was spinach. Is it good?
her: yes, its a good.
me: is there meat in it or something? Like chicken or pork
her: meat?
me: yah, you know chicken koko or pork
her: oh koko, no its just spinach
me: I show her the menu, what is that called here?
her: points to the dish and tells me its polish name
me: make a horrible attempt at her
her: laughs and repeats it slowly
me: I butcher the name again
her: laughs and repeats again
me: try to pronounce it better this time
her: yes and smiles
me: What do you recommend I get on here? I point to some random thing
her: this blah blah blah
me: what about this? (the real item I wanted to order)
her: yes, its good
me: have you tried it here before?
her: no, not here
me: so how do you know its good?
her: laughs
me: hmm... ok I think I'll try it
I forgot what I said but I soon transitioned it to questions about her

me: I take it your a student then? by your backpack or something?
her: yes, I study here in Krakow

blah blah blah
me: So you have brother then?
her: yes, but why are you asking? (I felt this was kind of strange)
me: well I'm trying to get to know you better
We talk about her love of the Russian language and culture, where she's from, why she loves winters, and other bullshit. She showed me her town which is located near Auschwitz so I kind of casually suggested that if I go there, she can be my tour guide but then she promptly said she is really busy but that there are other tour guides there. She also said she had to go, but kept on staying there and would make these weird gestured with her eyebrows. She was a 6 at best. I tried to grab her number when she said she had to go but she said she didn't know her phone number and didn't use facebook which I was probably bullshit. Anyways, I wasted like 30 minutes gaming this chick. Also my wing soon left about halfway into my set and waved me goodbye when he left. The girl say this and then asked me if he was my friend lol. I told her nah, I just met him today. He came over to chat to me at the table. Then I ask her why she asked. She was like he approached me earlier and was really creepy lol. My wing soon left and went home leaving me to game by myself in the old town.

I started to get serious approach anxiety now without a wing. I saw a few girls who I wanted to approach but couldn't but then spotted a really attractive girl walking by who I was kind of determined to approach but right before I did it, a see some dude run right up to her and start talking to her. He started to follow her as she walked really fast away. I knew exactly what was going on. He was in the set for maybe less than 1 minute before the chick went down the stairs somewhere and he got blown out.

I saw him pause for a minute somewhere and approached him and asked him about what he was doing. We started to talk and then one of his wings shows up and he introduces me. They were two polish pick up artists who follow more of the rsd style of spam approaching girls in polish. They invite me to come approach with them. Immediately they start approaching girls but get blown out one after another. It kind of inspired me to do the same so I approach one girl but she says she doesn't know the answer to my question and walks away. I then tell them, lets go approach a two set together and they are like ok, but then when I approach a group of girls they don't join me but when I start hooking the set, one of them jumps in immediately and says something in polish and immediately the girls say they have to go. We continue to walk and then I open another two girls but again they don't follow with me. I start bantering with them and slowly warm them up and make them laugh but then again, both of them jump in and ruin the set. They start speaking polish and the girls start getting weirded out. I try to salvage it but joking about one of the girls studying sewing at university because she had a huge scarf on as well as her friend which gets them cracking up but then the two girls interrupt it and ask them to show us around or some bullshit which kills the set and the girls say they have to go now.

The two polish pua dudes then say they are going to go eat something. They invite me to go eat with them at Gospado koko but I tell them I already ate. We exchange contact details and I tell them to text me when they will be back but I never hear from them again.

I start walking around the old town but the approach anxiety has now returned in full force again. I let several opportunities pass by and get pissed but then I spot a good looking brunette walk by in a slow pace. I hesitate for quite a while but soon catch up to her but right before I'm about to cross the street and approach her, she turns and goes inside a bar or club. I'm thinking shit, I just blew it but I was determined to talk to her nonetheless so I followed her inside the place. It was some underground bar that looked kind of creepy to be honest. I wasn't sure if I was going to end up in some fucked up hippy goth place or something. When I finally got downstairs, I found the chick sitting in a corner near the bar. I went and grabbed a seat right beside her table and noticed she was giggling and at her phone. I went up to the bar and ordered a beer and then a blonde chick who is a 6 walks by and sits by a chair right beside me while I'm talking to the bartender. We make eye contact but I don't really give it too much thought as my focus is on the brunette. I walk back to my seat, take a few sips of my beer but couldn't force myself to open her, not knowing what to say so I make an excuse to go back to the bartender and ask him for food recommendations out loudly. Again, I make eye contact with the blonde who kind of smiles which I return. He doesn't really know so I come back to my seat hoping to use this to open the chick but then I spill my beer. I ponder for a bit wondering if I should instead open the blonde who showed me interest so I make my way back to the bartender and talk with him a little again, asking him if there is a Vietnamese restaurant there, letting the blonde eavesdrop on the conversation. Then I turn towards her and open her asking her the same question. Suddenly I see a dude walk up to the brunette and kiss her on the cheeks and they start talking. I guess she had a bf so I made the right choice.

I start talking to the blonde who seems receptive to me, asking me a lot of questions while I tease and joke with her but then she drops the bf line. I'm thinking shit. WTF is with all these girls with bf's already. This kind of kills my hungry to game her now and I start scanning the place for other targets. While talking to her, I notice a brunette having her back against mine ordering a drink. I found that kind of odd, that it was kind of rubbing against my back. I kind of disregard it and continue my conversation with her hoping to soon end it but then her bf shows up. I'm thinking shit, this dude's gonna think I was hitting on his gf but the guy was chill, albeit very needy though. He kept on kissing his gf like every 5 minutes and had his hands on her all the time. He was this medium height blonde dude with semi-long hair. We start talking and stuff and then I notice that same brunette who had her back rubbing against mine make eye contact with me. We hold sustained eye contact until she breaks it and veers down and soon returns eye contact with me again. I kind of knew at that point she was interested but the dude and his gf had already invited me to go eat with them so I didn't want to now tell them I can't do it. Looking back at it, I probably should have just stayed there and told them I would catch up with them in a bit. The girl was cute too.

We all walk to some restaurant and eat while I try to genuinely take an interest in both of them so as to not let the bf know I was hitting on his gf. Anyways the dude is like questioning me about why I was in Poland, asking me a shit tonne of questions about my backstory about being an English teacher here. Afterwards they tell me they are headed back to the bar to meet with her brother and friends so I'm thinking great, I can try and chat up that brunette with earlier. Unfortunately when I return the brunette doesn't notice me now and is just seated with her group of friends on a table. However the place starts getting full now, and I see more and more girls coming in. The couple tell me to sit in some indoor room because of a lack of seating outside which I didn't really want to do but nonetheless follow their lead. We start chatting again, and then I notice another blonde who is less attractive then the brunette kind of glance over towards me a few times who is with her large group of friends. Not sure if at me or her bf because we were both seated on a sofa. She soon leaves when the couple's friends arrive. Two Brazilian dudes who live in Poland plus her brother who works as a promoter for the same bar show up. We start talking but at this point, the alcohol is starting to take its effects on me. I start to get tired and sleepy and lose my energy. The girl notices it and asks me why I'm suddenly like this. She thinks I don't want to hang out with them there but I explain to her that its the alcohol and she understands because I had told her earlier. She gets her brother to bring me some water which I use to sober up. When we later return back to the bar area the brunette from earlier has left but there's some girls there now. The couple soon leave but they invite me to come over on saturday for brunch. Very nice couple but I don't think I'm gonna travel for 45 minutes to come over for brunch. The two Brazilians then tell me they will take me to another Bania Luka which is more conductive for gaming and chatting up girls so I follow them. This bar I accidentally discovered could potentially be a gold mine. I'm definitely coming here tomorrow night for night game.

We head out to the other Bania Luka location and I immediately notice the difference in environment. To be continued...

Post: #161

Earlier the Brazilians mentioned to me when I told them I wanted to go to the club Lokal. I mentioned about dressing up in a blazer with dress shirt and everything and they said no no no. That's a bad idea. You will only attract the gold diggers and scammers. They are like the normal girls will think you are trying to show off or something. I found that a little strange coming from Toronto. They said what I was wearing was more then enough for the clubs there and was a better option. Anyways we are at the bar and I immediately already notice a few targets that I could potentially open due to the layout. There's a huge bar table and people are congregated around it along with several tables in the bar. I immediately get some girls looking at me as I make my way through the busy bar. I see a table of 3 girls and then spot another one with 3 girls. One of the Brazilians is like I can't approach unless I get piss drunk, I need my alcohol and shots now! The other was a bit more calm and collected while me and him tried to figure out how to approach the girls on the table. We did see a fattie with a fat nerdy dude and we contemplated jumping in but said screw it. We don't want to cockblock the dude. The Brazilian suggested to the other Brazilian that wanted to get drunk to open the girls speaking Polish since he's been living here for 7 years but the guy kept on whining saying he couldn't do it unless he was drunk. While we were strategizing, an Asian dude with his wing who I assumed was polish maybe opened the first table of 3 girls. He looked confident and like he's been doing this for a while. He soon gets blown out and then opens two girls by the bar and also gets blown out. He then sends his wing over to the other table of 3 girls and his wing also gets blown out. They soon make their way to the front of the bar and start hitting on other girls. One of the table of 3 girls along with the two chicks they hit on by the bar start talking about them and laughing.

The Brazilian then gets the idea to buy 6 shots and then come up to the girls and offer them the other 3 shots. He tells the other Brazilian to grab a table besides the girls but the dude ends up sitting so far away from them while the other starts yelling at him in Portuguese to come closer. The guy finally grabs the drinks but then takes a while to open them as one of the leave to go to the bathroom. He eventually opens up but spends in inordinate amount of time justifying and trying to reason with them why it was ok to have shots with us. He was like oh I'm buying an engagement ring for my gf soon so don't worry blah blah blah. That's what I heard anyways from sitting somewhat close by. Then I overhear them mention one of the girls was already taken and was engaged. The Brazilian must have spent close to 20-30 minutes talking to them before things started to happen. Also I later heard another chick say she had a bf in Budapest. I was thinking this set is a complete waste of fucking time. Your offering them free shots and now your justifying with them why they should take it? The girls agree and I immediately jump into the set when they appear hesitant and I'm like no no no, your doing a shot and kind of order them around. I kind of tease them but it was a very weird set because the other Brazilian that spot Portuguese would jump in and speaking polish which got all three girls attention while me and other dude lost the attention. Then the other would try to seize attention and me and the other Brazilian would be left out. The engaged one was sitting beside so I didn't have much choice but I said screw it anyways and eventually got her attention and started to talk to her. Unfortunately her English was fucking terrible and she was too shy to speak to me. Nonetheless I continued to plow through her. I asked her about the ring and even grabbed her hand and started to examine it, she was like no engagement but then turns the ring around and says engagement. The ring didn't even have a diamond on it or it must have been a small ass diamond. I was confused on whether or not she was taken but still tried to continue the conversation with her. We talked about and I kino'ed her and we had our legs together but then one of the brazilians broke a glass which diverted all the girls attention back to him so now all three girls were talking to him while the other one was left out as well as me. It was an awful approach and really sloppy interaction. We should have each isolated one girl. Anyways I wanted to just leave this set and talk to some other girls but just stayed in their to wing them. The Brazilian that ordered the shots then suggest we all go to Tetro Cubano which I thought was a terrible idea. I would have suggested a more quieter bar with less people to game them not a club filled with horny dudes ready to snatch your girl away from you. He kept on trying to convince them even downright begging in a way which I thought was a terrible. I heard Brazilians were supposed to be very good and aggressive but I wasn't seeing it with these two dudes.

The Brazilian eventually convinces them and now it seems the engaged chick who I was talking to is more interested in him then me. I'm kind of screwed now because I didn't really talk to the other two chicks. When we leave the bar, one of the chicks abandons the group and goes home, leaving me with the engaged chick, the chick with a bf in budapest, and the two brazilians. We make our way to the club and hit the dance floor, me leaving the brazilians lead but the other brazilian kind of stays behind above the dance floor and soon disappears. I think he left and went home. We start dancing the four of us. The brazilian wasn't really making any moves on the chicks though which I found was odd. He was just dancing near her. I was thinking wtf did you bring them here then? We continue to dance and then he starts getting closer and closer to the engaged girl and they start hip bumping each other. A few minutes later he grabs her and they start dancing together. This was my cue to also grab the friend and initially I was afraid of getting rejected but did it anyways and surprisingly she accepted. We started to dance and I was doing all sorts of bullshit moves like dipping her, spinning her, etc and both girls were kind of looking at each other and laughing intermittently. Once the song was done, we both let them go but then they said they were going to the bathroom and my wing said we should go grab a Cuba Libre afterwards so we headed up to the bathroom. I had to pee rally badly at this time so I had to line up for a long ass line to use the only toilet there.

When I finally emerged through, I see both chicks with their coats in hand, my wing with two drinks and the girls saying they are leaving. He tries to get them to stay and drink the drinks but they leave. We hug and say goodbye. I knew this shit was going to happen. The Brazilian looks pissed, hands me a drink and says you now have to finish it and then we hit the dance floor but he's just standing around now. I decide to head back to the bar area to try and chat up girls instead. I end up running into the Armenian and he gives me a high five. I then spot that Asian dude from earlier at the bar, he has a polish chick in his hands as he leads her up to the bar, followed by another chick and his wing. I'm thinking holy shit. He is very high energy and knows the bartenders. I immediately know he has these places on lockdown and has been coming for a while now. He orders some shots and they continue to banter. I tell the Brazilian to come with me to see the Asian dude and he follows but then says he's going back to the dance floor. I grab my coat and decide to call it a night. I go back to him and he ask him when is he leaving and he says not for another half another. He then tells me that girl there is open to be approached. He points to some petite blonde and tells me to do it. I'm hesitant and don't know how and ask him. He's like just dance with her. So I walk over to her, hesitate for 2 seconds and grab her hand. Surprisingly, she lets me grab it and spin her around but then removes her hand from mines lol. Then another girl who I assumed was Spanish sees me and kind of high fives me and I grab her hand and spin her around but then she removes her hand from mines lol. I say fuck it, I'm going home. I grab the Brazilians number so that we can hang out again and then head home. While leaving the club, I spot the Asian dude leading both chicks in his hands while his wing is empty handed as they walk down the street. I decide to kind of trail them just to observe and maybe learn a thing or two. He's taking his sweet as time pulling the girls and even picks one of them up and starts carrying her and even lets her sit on his shoulders at one point. I'm standing there thinking this dude is using cave man style game as he walks up into the distance with both chicks in toll with his wing.

I think I learned some very important lessons tonight:

1. Screen chicks who are dtf. Don't spend more than 20 minutes on a chick unless she is showing strong IOI's.
2. Never fucking beg or try to reason with chicks. In fact, its probably better to just order them around.
3. Don't waste time with chicks who are taken. I'm sure both chicks got everything they wanted out of us. Attention, free drinks, and plenty of validation.

Post: #162

(11-25-2016 07:37 AM)destiny Wrote:  3. Don't waste time with chicks who are taken. I'm sure both chicks got everything they wanted out of us. Attention, free drinks, and plenty of validation.

Curious why Brazilians seemed determined to still do it, even though they probably subconsciously knew nothing will happen.

Post: #163

@destiny,

Post: #164

Day 21: I did my usual routine and was hoping for the restaurant to be full so that I had an excuse to either invite chicks to sit with me or ask to sit with them but the place had plenty of seats. After that was done, I hit up the main square. Approach anxiety quickly surfaced so I approached some employee promoting some art show. It was some chick, I just wanted to warm up so I didn't try to build too more comfort and rapport with her. We chatted for quite a while actually but then she said she had to go back to work. I texted the forum member from yesterday but he said he was doing some tours and wouldn't be available until late in the evening so I texted one of those polish pua dudes to come wing with me but he said he wasn't sure so I was flying solo today. I thought I could warm up by just saying hi to people but couldn't fucking do it. I then ran into the Armenian after walking around in circles. I asked him what happened again with the American and he's like we both got really drunk and then I started to feel her up and touch her boobs in the lounge area when everyone was asleep and then we went into the toilet to fuck. He also told me they got several more new girls at the hostel and then tried to convince me to move out of my apartment into the hostel. I told him nah, I like my place. We then departed as I tried to approach girls but couldn't fucking do it. It was fucking cold today too. After walking around in circles, I decided I needed to take a little break to warm my ass up and also to do some internal pep talk. I went into Bania Luka and ordered a drink and some food while looking up fixes for approach anxiety. I reflected back on all of my previous approaches even ones where I used a direct opener and have experienced mostly positive replies from the girls except for the bitches in Toronto. I basically left every single girl who I have approached with the exception of the ones who didn't know English or didn't know the answer to my question better off then before they met me so why the hell was I being so fearful and scared of approach girls and using direct openers. I also thought back to this video I saw last night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdymCQ5PXrs. I could basically change my life and the girls's life simply by approaching her and opening my mouth. The polish chick who I talked to yesterday at the bar told me she met her bf at a Mcdonalds at 4am in the morning simply because he opened her. After reflecting on this for a whole, it got me a little more pumped up as I headed back out. I decided to try my luck the mall instead since it was freezing outside. I soon got a text from the polish pua guy saying he's down for later at 6:40pm so I said ok. I walked around for a little bit still experiencing crippling approach anxiety with using direct openers but soon spotted a chick leaning up against the rail and eating a sandwich. Initially I passed by her and hesitated but then she walked closer to me and stood by the railing again. I said fuck it, whatever happens, happens so I walked right up to her and opened her.

me: hey, excuse me do you speak English?
her: yes, neutral look
me: I saw you standing over here and thought you looked really attractive so just came by to say hi and meet you.
her: I'm waiting for my bf
I could feel my fucking heart beating like crazy.
me: well then,so we can just relax now and talk like friends because I'm not trying to pick you up anymore.

She says he's coming soon from the gym. I asked her what she was doing and if she works out at the gym intending to eject the set soon but then she is like he is coming right now so I said goodbye to her. Just as I walked away, I see some dude smiling in my direction who I assumed was her bf. I quickly got the fuck out there hoping the dude wouldn't come beat the crap out of me. Now in addition to the approach anxiety I was worried about this dude coming after me so I couldn't even think about approaching girls anymore at the mall and swiftly left and headed back to the main square to try and approach girls. I could still feel the fear inside of me thinking about that dude coming after me which of course was ridiculous. I couldn't manage the emotions so couldn't do another approach. At around 6:50pm the polish dude called me so I decided to head back to the mall, hoping that girl's and her bf had left. While walking back, I spotted some nice christmas decorations and a tall lit up tree. I wanted to have a picture of it and also to calm my nerves so I approached some girl asking her to take a picture of me. I soon got the idea to continue the conversation with her after she butchered my pictured with low lighting but then she got a call on her phone and then left afterwards so I headed back inside. I called the polish pua dude and he said he was coming to meet me at the main entrance. While waiting for him by the railings, a very cute brunette with glasses caught my attention and I immediately opened her with an indirect opener.

me: excuse me, where can I find a petshop here? I want to buy a present or treat for my dog back home.
her: petshop?
me: ya, you know where they sell stuff for pets? I haven't been able to find any here in Poland yet.
her: Oh sorry, I am not really from around here so I don't really know
me: Really? But you look Polish though, are you polish?
her: laughs, yes I'm polish
me: then you should know. Where are you from?
her: a place near katowice.

We start bantering and I start building rapport with her as well as teasing her. I start to get some IOI's from her and she starts asking me questions and the interaction is going very well. She tells me she's waiting for her friend but can't find her yet as I tell her the same thing but then suddenly her friend shows up. She's like this is my friend that I told you about. I kind of tease the friend as well saying "she was just talking about you." which gets her laughing as well but unfortunately she soon leaves and says it was nice meeting me. The polish dude then shows up right after she leaves and we start talking and walking. He tells me he's in a very bad mental state today and he's also not feeling well. We continue talking while walking and then I point to some chick kneeling on the ground fixing her bag for him to approach and he approaches her but gets blown out within 1 minute. We continue to walk and then I see that brunette with the glasses behind us on her phone. I wanted to re-engage her but she soon went inside some store. Damn! She was very pretty. I should have been more persistent, maybe even accusing her of following me around or something.

Anyways we continue to walk and he approaches one more girl and gets blown out as well. He tells me he needs to go to the washroom so I grab a seat by the bench and immediately open some girl. I was just trying to get into a social mood and not trying to pick her up. I see her drinking a bottle of water and use that to open her.

me: your making me thirsty with that water bottle.
her: kind of smiles but looks confused
me: I point to her water bottle, and gesture a drinking motion with my hand
her: she laughs
me: How safe is the water to drink here in Poland? Will I get sick from drinking it?
her: no, its safe
me: Do you drink bottled water at home or the tap water
her: bottled water
me: then why did you tell me its safe to drink then if your not drinking it?
her: starts laughing
me: I don't trust the water so I boil it before I drink it. I don't want to get sick in a foreign country
her: laughs
me: so what are you up today? Just doing some shopping or something
her: I'm waiting for my friend who works in a hospital
me: oh, so she's a doctor or something right?
her: I forgot what she said
me: Are you also a doctor? You know I'm kind of getting sick now, can you give me a check up?
her: laughs. No, I study to become a dietician
We start talking about her dietician and why she likes it and other random bullshit that I can't remember. At one point, she kind of scooted over closer to me and also started to ask me personal questions. Unfortunately I didn't find her attractive at all as her teeth was messed up and she had several moles on her face which turned me off. I waited for a while but the polish dude never came back. She then said sorry she has to make a call so I use that opportunity to text the dude asking him where he went. He tells me he left to go to h & m. I could have probably continued the conversation and I'm pretty certain I would have gotten her number or facebook but I said no thanks. I told her I had to go and bid her farewell. This approach felt very natural and easy, as well as the previous one. This got me thinking that perhaps I'm wasting my fucking time trying to tackle my fear of using direct openers and instead my time is better used for using situational/indirect openers. I mean tackling my fear of using direct openers is still on my list of goals but perhaps I should set a time limit of 1 hour and doing 1-2 direct openers and slowly easing into it each day and then using the rest of my time to do what I do best which is indirect openers. I think I was averaging something like 5 approaches when I was using indirect openers and I was getting like 1 number/facebook per 5 approaches versus forcing myself to do direct and end up only doing like 1 approach and ending up with nothing as well as spending way more time. Tomorrow I'm switching strategies: 1-2 direct openers just to slowly get over my fear with no expectations and then the rest of the day using indirect openers with a main focus on situational openers.

After I caught up with the Polish dude, he soon approached another girl but got blown out. He told me every chick he approached told him they had a bf lol. We went upstairs and grabbed something to drink and some light snack and chatted for a while. After that was done, he wanted to do 1 more approach so he approached some girl seated down on a bench but was immediately blown out. He walked back to me and told me she said she had already been approached by someone else lol. We soon left the mall and headed back to the main square to meet up with that forum member who was grabbing some food at a burger place. We met up with him and while he was trying to finish his fries, I opened some girls who I told my wing to open with Polish asking them where they suggest he take me since I wasn't from the city. They told him they were from Warsaw so I re-opened them and said "what did you guys say in Polish? Was he saying something bad about me?" but they ignored me. The forum member also tried to talk to some girls but they rejected him as well.

We left the place and headed back to that bar I discovered by accident. The place unfortunately was shit today. A lot of dudes and all groups of people there. I told them let's wait by the bar area and then approach girls as they come in, but only dudes went up to order drinks. The Polish dude soon said he had to go and left, leaving me and the forum member there. Soon, two girls went up to order drinks so I opened one of them as she grabbed her drink asking her what the bartender poured in. She gives me an answer and leaves. The crowd was shit so we left after 30 minutes. My wing approached some girls asking them for recommendations on places to go to and then when they gave him suggestions, he immediately suggested they come with us and be our guides which I already warned him not to do. He of course as predicted got rejected again and again, set after set without calibrating. We soon stumble into one of those cheap student bars and while I went to order us a drink, he opened two girls sitting by the sidelines. I then joined in but the way we were positioned was kind of awkward. Only really one girl was engaged in the conversation because the other didn't speak much English but she was sitting beside us as we stood while the other was talking to us and leaning in. There was no space so I had to kind of stand between my wing and the girl who didn't speak much English while my wing was speaking to the other girl. Both girls were attractive, especially the more talkative one. I knew this positioning wasn't going to work as I made it hard for me to jump in and also for isolation purposed. I soon repositioned myself kind of between both girls but they were seated beside each other so I kind of had to lean into one of them. My wing didn't get the hint to isolate the girl so kept on talking to the other girl who was now beside me while ignoring the one beside him. This made it very hard to establish rapport and talk to them. Also the topics he was leading the conversations with was mostly surface level bullshit which I knew wouldn't help you hook a girl. I then tried to help him by purposing that the girl beside him and him go get hitched in Las Vegas which brought a little role play into the mix and also made it more sexual and romantic but my wing didn't capitalize on it. The talkative girl also kept on bringing up how she's too poor to drink and buy food which to me meant she was trying to get us to buy her drinks so she could leech them off of us. I don't mind paying for a chick's drink as I did when I went out on a instadate or date but in this situation, I wouldn't do it right off the bat before I had a chick hooked. My wing then starts trying to play sugardaddy game and when both of the chicks finished their beers offered to buy them a drink. Luckily, this allowed him to take the quiet girl with him to the bar allowing me some time to isolate the talkative girl and sit beside her. Immediately I started to deep-dive and asking her a lot of why's and establishing rapport and us-vs-them with food and stuff. I was trying to link things we had in common and I was just starting to hook her but they soon came back and interrupted the conversation. This is where I made another mistake. Being the gentlemen that I was, I immediately gave the quiet chick back her chair so now I couldn't stand beside the talkative chick and had to go stand between my wing and her while the talkative one was yelling out when talking to the both of us. What I should have done was move her chair closer to my wing and then gave it back to her allowing me space to squeeze in between the both of them so that I could still isolate my girl and also helping isolate his. I knew we each needed to focus on one girl and I hated the dynamic of the conversation. This was killing us but my wing didn't seem to think so as he rambled up about non-sense. Then I kind of nudged him to go over to the talkative girl since he was talking to her now and then tried to speak to the quiet one and started to get some input and investment from her but then he interrupts me and starts talking to her again. I was like wtf, focus on your girl. What the fuck are you doing man? Your going to ruin the set for the both of us. I tried to lean into him and whisper into his ear but the two girls looked at me like I was up to no good lol. So then when they were distracted, I quickly turned on my phone and texted him. Pick one girl and isolate her, focus on her only!

I forgot to check my phone back but he texted me back a little later what isolate meant! Then suddenly the two girls grabbed their coats and said they were going to the washroom when they finished the beers. I was thinking alright, now I can finally talk with him and strategize. I quickly grabbed him and pulled him over saying, we need to each pick one girl and isolate her so that we can both have a fighting chance. He didn't seem to understand this so I had to again explain to him in detail such as the positioning and how to select the girl. Since he already went to grab drinks with the quieter one and had a one on one conversation with her, it was only logical for him to go take her, plus his ramble wasn't good enough to hook the more talkative one. I said you could pick which everyone you wanted but he decided on the quieter one. I also told him because he wanted to go buy them another round that the next time, I would go grab the drinks with my girl or we could do a venue change to a more quieter one with much better seating and low lighting and then bounce to my place or his right after. We agreed on this plan. I also told him if we were to do this again, you need to fucking stick to one girl, especially the one who shows you the most interest otherwise the set will be ruined for both of us. We waited for a while, but the chicks didn't show up so I was getting kind of suspicious. I was thinking, did they ditch us or something? Was there a backdoor somewhere where they left? We talked about it for while as the girls never came back. I told him to go ask one of the staff if there was a back exit but he didn't do it until much later so I went to go check on the washroom and saw a huge line so I figured they must have still been there. I also looked around the place seeing if maybe they went to sit somewhere else or if some dudes not pounced on them but they were nowhere to be found. I went back to him and then told him to go ask about the back entrance but he then went and talked to some other girls while I waited forever, thinking omg dude. One thing at a time. We need to figure out the situation with these two chicks first before you start gaming other chicks, otherwise we are wasting our time on them. After a bit more time, I knew they somehow ditched us, although I'm not sure how they did it. Maybe the sneak out the front door when we weren't looking or something, who knows but the only thing I did know was that we had been had, and this was the second time in a row now! They got free attention, entertainment, and drinks and then played us for a fool, just like me and the Brazilian. My wing was kept on trying to justify it by saying you need to spend money and take a gamble and stuff. I told him I only buy drinks for chicks who I had hooked and knew I had a shot with, not buying chicks drinks right off the bat without any intel. I fucking knew something like this was going to happen and warned him when the girls had first went into the washroom. I just didn't expect them to ditch us like that. I expected them to at least say goodbye. We leave the place and my wing starts approaching girls using the exact same lines that I told him not to use, and getting the exact same results which was rejection after rejection. I suggested to him that he try to modify it but he's like I prefer to just go all in. I said if your going to go direct, you go direct. If your going indirect then you go indirect. You don't go indirect and then suddenly change it to direct but doing it in a needy and creepy way. We walked by the main square again and then he pointed to two chicks taking pics of a tree decorated with lights.

I opened them accusing them of being tourist but they didn't play along. I said yes, so I asked them where they are from and they said Poland in a disinterested tone. I tried to re-engage again asking what city and they said Krakow. I was like what? That doesn't make any sense and got no reply so I just said goodnight and ejected. My wing then points to another two girls like 2 feet away from the last set who saw everything and tells me to approach them. I say no, what's the point? They just saw me get shot down. I need to approach another set further away. I ain't doing spam approaching. I take him to another pub, the one which the Brazilians took me to but the place was fucking packed today and you could barely walk in there. Also most of the girls came with their bf's. I saw a single chick by herself at a table and just when I was about to approach her, her bf shows up. I guess single girls don't come to these places and if you see a single chick there, it means her bf probably went to the bathroom or to fetch her drinks. I think the safest bet would be 2-3 girls, but there weren't any. I then scooted over to the bar and made eye contact with some scruffy looking dude with a lot of facial hair. I said "hey, how's it going?" the dude halfway turns and looks at me and then ignores me. What a fucking douchebag. We soon abandon the place and just walk around the old town while my wing continues using the same approach and lines I warned him not to use approaching girl after girl after girl and getting shot down one after another. It was getting to the point where I felt kind of awkward to even be standing near him as I could see how awkward he was making the girls feel. Girls who were standing by the sidewalk would quickly walk away from him after he went direct after opening with the indirect line asking them where's a good place to go to today and transitioning into, do you want to come with us or show us. We then stumble onto another one of those cheap bars and he opens two girls standing outside smoking. He kind of hooks one of them while the other just stands there talking on her phone and smoking. I had previously told him I wanted to grab some food at kfc and go home but he opened the girls as we were walking there. He talked with the girl for a while without introducing me into the conversation so I just left him after about 15-20 minutes and told him to come find me at kfc. I didn't hear back until like an hour later when I left saying he was gaming more girls afterwards.

What a tough day. Tomorrow I'm just sticking with indirect openers unless I see a situation where I can use a direct opener confidently .I was telling the polish dude earlier at the mall after I had warmed up and spoken to that chick near the washroom that if I saw a girl dragging her luggage that I would stop in front of her and say "hey, I just have two questions for you, first where can I buy that luggage case and second why that colour?" after she would answer I would say "actually I just wanted to come and talk to you." but we didn't see any girls with luggage cases afterwards. I wanted to do direct openers after I was having a good time and being self amused, not when I was feeling anxious and afraid. I think I'll use variation of this opener tomorrow along with my situational openers/indirect openers at the mall since its going to be cold tomorrow.

Post: #165

maybe it's a problem of looks, i see no problem with your gaming and way of approaching girls. in your 20 days you approached more girls than i did in my life but i wouldn't feel good in my skin with many rejections

Post: #166

(11-25-2016 08:27 PM)TripleG Wrote:  @destiny,

I've went to 3 different starbucks at 3 different times of the day. Its always empty or they are with groups of people. I don't think they are into sitting down and drinking there coffee here. I also talked to the polish pua dude and also had another forum member meet me there when we first met up. They also agreed it wasn't good for gaming here.

Post: #167

@destiny, agreed that perhaps starbucks is not good there. What about by Uniwersytet Jagielloński in Krakow? That school has almost 50,000 students and is currently in-session, gotta be some popular cafes to hit up there.

Post: #168

(11-26-2016 11:33 AM)TripleG Wrote:  @destiny, agreed that perhaps starbucks is not good there. What about by Uniwersytet Jagielloński in Krakow? That school has almost 50,000 students and is currently in-session, gotta be some popular cafes to hit up there.

I'm not familiar with that university but I think I walk right past it everyday. There isn't any cafe's in the area though, but a lot of the students go to Gospada koko for lunch which is where I camp out for lunch everyday. I try to strike up conversations with chicks there. I was going to take a photo to show you how the starbucks looks like but I forgot. I also checked out Karmello cafe but that place is hit and miss, usually a miss though. I'm starting to think Warsaw may have been a better option, a lot less social circles to deal with and less foreigners and PUA dudes there.

Post: #169

(11-26-2016 02:37 AM)Odin.fils.de.bor Wrote:  maybe it's a problem of looks, i see no problem with your gaming and way of approaching girls. in your 20 days you approached more girls than i did in my life but i wouldn't feel good in my skin with many rejections

I was told by the british polish dude who I mentioned that here in Poland they have this idea that associate Asians with cheaply manufacturered goods so the girls kind of have a lower opinion of them, however he also said as soon as I opened my mouth my value would be much higher because now I would be seen as a Canadian but also have some exotic value too. Like a hybrid or something, so the take away I got from this is to just approach more chicks and let them know I am Canadian so that they don't put me into that box.

Post: #170

''maybe it's a problem of looks, i see no problem with your gaming and way of approaching girls''

Not very encouraging for those of us who got into this hoping that people can get hot girls with 'game' alone, though! (i.e - not being super handsome)

Post: #171

Hey man how old are you? Didn't get to read all the posts

Check out youngbros on fb, it's a kpop party, they always have different kpop parties in Poland.

I totally feel you on the approach anxiety thing, especially in the square where you can just wander about. My advice would be to look for stationary chicks first, those who are sitting down or are waiting for someone (even if she is waiting for her boyfriend). After a few approaches, you would be fine chasing the chicks. Don't overthink.

Post: #172

@TripleG





Now you know I'm not bullshitting you

Post: #173

(11-26-2016 02:50 PM)d_hzy Wrote:  Hey man how old are you? Didn't get to read all the posts

Check out youngbros on fb, it's a kpop party, they always have different kpop parties in Poland.

I totally feel you on the approach anxiety thing, especially in the square where you can just wander about. My advice would be to look for stationary chicks first, those who are sitting down or are waiting for someone (even if she is waiting for her boyfriend). After a few approaches, you would be fine chasing the chicks. Don't overthink.

I'm 31. Really late to the game and extremely late bloomer when it comes to getting this part of my life all sorted out.

I actually went to one like 2 weeks back at Rin. The place was full of underage girls like 16 or something. I wrote about my experience there in a previous post in this journal.

Post: #174

Guys I need some advice. Do you think I should extend my stay here in Krakow by 2-3 days to give me more time to game here and then just spend like 1-2 nights in Warsaw as a vacation break or do you think I should just cut my loses and go spend my last 4 nights in Warsaw? I don't know what I can realistically do in 4 days in Warsaw in terms of getting girls, especially at my skill level. I have my apartment booked until the 5th of December in Krakow and I'm flying out on the 9th.

Post: #175

Go to Warsaw. I like Warsaw a lot. Hit Sketch nite when you are there.