Post: #226

(12-06-2016 05:02 PM)d_hzy Wrote:  Good stuff man. Is this the chick from day31?

You can always make her go to Warsaw.

Nah, its just some random chick who I spoke to on tinder. She takes like 1-2 days to respond back to each one of my messages and it got dragged out. I tried to suggest to her to come to Warsaw today. I told her it was only a 2.5 hr train ride and that she could crash at my place.

Post: #227

Day 32:

Well I arrived in Warsaw today. People seemed somewhat friendly when I asked for help, although I'm picking up on that big city vibe though. I arrived at my apartment around 5pm. I had to get on some sketchy ass tiny elevator that seemed to not be working properly. I was worried it was gonna break down or something. My flat is nice but I made a foul out of myself by not knowing how to open the doors to my apartment in Warsaw and had to call the airbnb host after trying for 15 minutes outside my door. The guy has like 3 keys for his doors and you need to work it in a combination in order to open it. It felt like such a hassle. Anyways this made me get out of the place late. When I got to the busy street of Nowy Swiat, most of the stores were closed including all of the starbucks and coffee shops. I got approached by some beggar on the street asking for 5 zloty. It was actually quite dead and I saw a lot of dudes on the streets, but not enough girls. I walked around for a bit to the centrum station, did a whole circle. I saw a lot of arab guys here, some of them hitting on some brits or poles? outside of a british pub, several Asian tourist, and a large group of spanish students at a mcdonalds that I was eating at. There was also a lot of couples, although not nearly as many as in Krakow, but I think I only saw like 2 single chicks outside. I'm not vibing with this city. It makes me feel like I'm in Toronto, and I actually kind of miss Krakow right now. If it weren't for the fact that its been completely invaded and ruined by foreigners, I think I would have loved to stay there. Also I noticed prices of food is at least double what I paid for in Krakow. Nonetheless, I'm gonna give Warsaw an honest chance. I've only been here for a few hours so I might not be experiencing the real Warsaw yet. I have a quick date lined up tomorrow with the tinder chick from Warsaw who I mentioned yesterday at a coffee shop. I still haven't figured out the logistics yet since I just landed. I figure I probably won't be able to pull any chicks to my place due to my limited experience so I'll probably just try to get as much dating experience as possible before heading off back home. My airbnb host however has shown me his stash of alcohol and was like help yourself and my place is really close to Nowy Swiat so who knows...

I'm gonna check out that wine bar triple g suggested tomorrow for lunch, scoop out the meeting place with my tinder date, maybe check out the science culture center, and then meet with my date.

Post: #228

Day 33: My tinder date tried to change the venue to somewhere much farther then my place, making logistics bad and inconvenient for me. She also told me she had to do a shit tonne of shopping afterwards which told me I wouldn't have much time to spend with her (maybe 30 minutes to 1hr at max). It seemed a bit of a frame grab too since she rejected my original venue of starbucks at Nowy Swiat but suggested another cafe right behind it so I went along with it yesterday when I originally proposed the date and location. I shot back with two alternatives, we can meet at the place she tried to venue change too but if it was busy I told her we were going to go somewhere else close by (which really meant I was going to try and get it closer to my place although still kind of far and would have a huge time constraint) or I could meet her after she was done her shopping that way she isn't all stressed out about being late and whatnot and even sprinkled in that I could meet her near her place so that way she could drop off her things and I could later try to venue change to her place by "walking her home." after the date. Man, this date looks like its gonna be tough lol. She seems like one of those career women who loves to be in control. Now I need to figure out how the fuck to get to this place and do a quick scouting mission to determine optimal places to take her with good seating arrangement to work my magic.

Post: #229

@ destiny, here's a photo of the inside of the Wine bar Charlotte in Warsaw.

It has a "communal table" so impossible not to sit next to a girl however make sure to arrive there for happy hour (after 5pm), anything earlier than that and you may be wasting your time as it tends to be packed with business people on lunch

Post: #230

Day 33 continued...

Got back from my back about 2 hours ago. It took me about 30 minutes to travel to the mall she suggested. I never stepped foot in this mall before and arrived about 10 minutes before our date but wasted it trying to locate the mcdonalds where we were supposed to meet. I got a bit nervous about 10-15 minutes leading up to it as I waited for her by the food court not knowing when she was gonna show up. When she finally showed up I walked over to her and gave her a kiss on the cheeks. I was gonna suggest a coffee shop that I saw when I walked by, but she suggested that she wanted a beer so we went to some pub. I immediately started to scan the place looking for an ideal seat since I was in foreign territory. My eyes quickly located two seats near the bar area and I suggested that which she agreed. When she said she wasn't sure how service was supposed to be, I took that as I cue to spring into action and take the lead and ask the waiter. After ordering our drinks, we started to chat. I was still feeling a little nervous but luckily she took over the conversation. The topics were very basic and surface level and as I started to relax a little, I let my guard down and I think this is where I started to fuck up. Instead of doing what previously worked, I relaxed too much and started to treat her like a guy. I immediately started to tease her and flirt right away. She told me she started Arabic in school or something and then I accused her of having a thing for Arab guys which is why she studied it. It was too soon. I continued with the teasing not allowing our conversations to get real deep. I don' know why but I stopped asking her "why" questions to dig deeper that I did previously with girls that I interacted with. This would always break the rapport that we were building. Also instead of trying to build a "we or us" picture, I started to argue a little which was stupid. I really don't know I did this today. To make matters worse, she brought up politics and religion. The religion topic I quickly dismissed and wasn't too hard to handle but the politics was where I think I fucked up the most. Instead of trying to lead the conversation in another direction, I allowed her to continue the topic. At one point, she talked about our PM Justin Trudeau and said we had a hot PM. What I should have done was use that opportunity to sexualize the conversation and be like "ya, I know, Canadian men are real sexy, aren't they?" or something like that. Instead I told him that he's a fag and we started to argue a little. To make matters worse, I told her toronto was full of feminist and then she goes and tells me she's a feminist lol. She also told me she spent some time in the UK and had a british accent which put me off. She certainly didn't look like one, just a normal chick. Again, I could have sexualized it and saying "and a sexy one at that." with a sly smirk on my face and then re-directed the conversation onto something else. She never really asked me any questions about me, which I take it as a sign of low interest. Also I hardly did any kino and touching. Even though I picked two seats that were side by side, I didn't try to close the distance and get closer to her. I only touched her shoulder like 2-3 times and didn't try to touch her again. At one point, I told her to show me how she makes a fist so that I could touch her hands and also to check for compliance and investment but she said no. I gave up too easily and instead should have just grabbed her hand and made her do it.

The date felt more like I was kicking back with some old friends then anything. I went the complete opposite this time of being nervous to just saying what was on my mind like how I thought our PM was a fag. Although I got a lot of laughs from her like when I said she spends her weekends sitting at home, with a tub of ice cream watching netflix or something which she later referenced again, it wasn't enough. I didn't build enough sexual tension and intrigue. I made some halfass attempt again later when she said she had to go home now to pack because she's flying out tomorrow for her trip. I told her it takes me like 30 minutes to pack and why she needs several hours and she tells me because of her different outfits. I tell her all she needs is some sexy outfit to wear and that's good enough, but it wasn't too smooth. At the end, we made some comment about offering to pay for my drink to show that not all feminist are bad and also as a way of welcoming me to Poland, but then she let me pay for the both of our drinks when I whipped out my wallet and said something about male chivalry. The date lasted 1.5 hours.

I walked her home afterwards and then found out she likes by herself. I kept talking while walking her home which was good, because on my last date, she mentioned that I suddenly became all quiet when we were walking her home. Unfortunately, the girl gave me her cheek and then bid me farewell outside of her apartment on the street. I also didn't get an opportunity to really check out the chick. I tried to scan her body a few times when she looked away but noticed she started to look at me again when she was talking so I had to divert my eyes up again. I needed to make myself horny and want to desire her but couldn't do it. Maybe this is why I didn't try as hard.

Overall, not the greatest date I have been on but not the worse either. I'm fucking depressed again now and really angry at myself, after butchering yet another date It seems I have to consciously focus my energy otherwise I tend to self-sabotage myself on dates. If I had done things right, I'm pretty sure I could have gotten further with her to at least gotten a kiss. I wonder how many more dates do I need to fuck up before I just finally get it! Fuck, now I'm outta time.

Post: #231

The best part is that you have many ideas what you could have said and what you could have done differently.

Religion and Politics are nonos on dates but if the girl insists.. take neutral standings or lie and don't say shit like "he's a fag" it makes you sound crass and uneducated.

You are having trouble because you haven't been on enough dates yet and you have internalized on how to turn things sexual and conversation control. Once you internalize all this you'll never be nervous on dates and your brain will turn on autopilot.

Post: #232

I appreciate detailed reports and the genuine honesty you displayed, just binge read your entire thread.

And while the first few posts were gonna lead me to accuse you of being too negative, i commend you for your persistence.

I had a lot to say or suggest after each post, but most escaped me now.

You overthink and overanalyze, which can be good, but you dont do it in a constructive way. You are not very pragmatic. Your mind seems to overthink the meaningless and the important equally and without leading to conclusions, or decisions, or changes.

Which is pointless. have a filter on whats important to focus on. For example while like i said i appreciate the details a lot, some are just entirely pointless to remember and to take time to write "my wing wanted ice cream. he went to get ice cream. he took his ice cream and opened a girl".

If youre not filtering these out then youre definitely not filtering things in your mind.

A little positive and a little negative sways you back and forth. You watch one PUA video and you feel amazing. You get one girl to flake and you feel like shit. Be more solid in your frame.

Also, the polish PUAs ruined all your sets and were downers overall yet you kept reaching out to them. Take a decision and forget about them.
Armenian dude turns out to be a leach. Fine you do it first time. He asks a second time. You cant see this is going from bad to worse? Take a decision and cut him out.



Anyway, the girl earlier that you went grocery shopping with, and was into you, why on earth wouldnt you suggest cooking the food right then and there at your place? When a member said you should, you asked "but how do i say it". You just say it!

Secondly, you were being amogd or whatever, and saw all these girls making out with others. Your clue should have been to escalate quicker and further when you dance. Im a shit dancer but if i were to do it it wouldnt be to shake my ass 1 meter away from a girl.

The girl you went with on a date last post, that was good. You should escalate.

Ask yourself a question: ok you open in a friendly manner and ramble, and youre well dressed. Does that mean girls should sleep with you? No.

Where is the attraction, escalation, sexual tension? etc.....

But why did you say "its awkward now because of our talk". Why break the sexual tension yourself? It killed it because it showed youre uncomfortable with it and cant handle it. Nothing that cant be saved though.


Its been years since ive been to poland but as an aside, and as someone whose ethnicity isnt looked at greatly, youre asian which isnt the sexiest ethnicity in pop culture. That added to the other things you need to work on mean You need to be more sexual and assertive to create attraction. Otherwise youre just like "there".

Post: #233

(12-07-2016 07:40 PM)TripleG Wrote:  @ destiny, here's a photo of the inside of the Wine bar Charlotte in Warsaw.

It has a "communal table" so impossible not to sit next to a girl however make sure to arrive there for happy hour (after 5pm), anything earlier than that and you may be wasting your time as it tends to be packed with business people on lunch

Didn't see this post until now I had intended to go there yesterday around lunch time but then my tinder date did the old switch o rule which put a damper on my plans and I had to stay put otherwise I wouldn't make it to our date on time. I also checked out all of those cafe's you mentioned on Novy Swiat. Some of them seemed good like the green nero cafe's, I spotted 1-2 chicks sitting alone and the place was packed enough that you could use it as an excuse to sit beside them while others like the starbucks was half empty although there was a communal table as well. I was also at the mall beside the centralna train station and that area had non-stop traffic and a lot of people. I did notice a big drop in quality though but maybe that's because everything is all spread out until Krakow. I have a suspicion and hunch that Warsaw is a bit easier to game then Krakow, don't really know why but for some reason my intuition is telling me it is.

Post: #234

Day 34:

Since today was my last day and I didn't manage to get any other tinder dates, I figured I'm just gonna go do some tourist stuff and relax before flying out tomorrow. I checked out the Palace of Culture and Science, hit up Złote Tarasy, and the old town. There was actually very good traffic in the Złote Tarasy and Warszawa Centralna area. Later in the evening, I received a random call from the Armenian dude who wanted to meet, but then the call got cut off which was weird. I figured it was due to my phone credits so I figured I needed to top it up for just 1 day in case I needed the date for getting to the airport tomorrow. Anyways, I made a pitstop at the mcdonalds intending to just go home after eating dinner when I received several texts from the Romanian. He asks if I wanted to meetup for a burger or something. I figured why not? Its my last night here, why not just go chill with a friend. I met up with him and we had a burger and then he tried to show me around bars/clubs in the area. High value guy who was all suited up. Unfortunately it was pretty dead today and as we were about to part ways, I mentioned Charlotte's to him when he told me about a place called Aiole's or something to have breakfast and he ended up driving me to Charlotte's. Unfortunately when we went inside, the place was occupied by a much older crowd, mainly business professionals and was almost half empty. Guess it just wasn't meant to be. We finished our drinks and he dropped me off.

When I got home, the Armenian dude was hounding me on facebook, asking me where was I, how he was waiting for me, blah blah blah. I'm like dude, you didn't answer my texts and messages and our call got cut off. He then continues complaining and says he forgot to top up his card and says how he really wanted to see me and stuff. Man, it was a huge turn off, especially from a dude. He was extremely needy and clingy, like wtf man. I can understand doing this to a girl, but a guy? Even though I'm all alone and stuff, you don't see me acting all needy and clingy, especially to other guys. Anyways, he told me he really wanted to come see me at the airport but I said nah its alright. I don't need this drama.

This will probably be my last post until I arrive back home. It's been a grueling long 9 weeks of learning and apply game here in Europe. I had initially intended it to be a lot easier especially in Poland but boy was I wrong. I overestimated my abilities with women, but its alright, a slice of humble pie from time to time never hurts anyone. This journey exposed a lot of weaknesses in my game but also allowed me to improve on several others. I'm pretty sure my conversational skills have improved tremendously, I have developed the ability to bond and connect with people really quickly, my kino has gotten a whole lot better which was pretty much non-existent previously, I got a taste of generating sexual tension and attraction, I got to practice pulling and venue changing near the end of my trip (never done this before), improved online game quite a bit, especially tinder, watched and learned game from different people from different ethnicities (Italians, Brazilians, Greek, Serbian, British, Armenian, American, Turkish, Israeli and Polish (maybe more, I lost count) and met a lot of amazing people and friends along the way. It's unfortunate that I didn't get a bang or even make it to first base, but I learned a shit tonne along the way. I'm pretty sure if I had more time to work on these things, everything would eventually be ironed out. When I get back to Toronto, I'm gonna spend 2-3 weeks to work on coffee shop game near the starbucks near my house and maybe some cold approaches here and there. Logistics is shit so I probably won't be able to pull or anything. If I end up going to Vietnam, I'll continue to game there, otherwise I'm gonna vamp up my resume and start looking and applying for jobs in either Poland or Ottawa and work on getting the fuck out of Toronto so I can work on my dating life!

Final Stats:
numbers/facebook/whatsapp collected: something like over 2 dozen (I lost count)
number of chicks talked to or approached: approximately 300 (I lost count)
day 1 & instadates: 5
day 2 dates: 1
meetups: 1 from couchsurfing (don't know what this was), 1 from the girl in Latvia who I originally came to see
bangs: 0
kisses: 0
flakes: a shit tonne

Post: #235

Enjoyed your posts OP. You have good writing skills. Bad that last 2 months did not get you bang, but hey I am sure it made you little better in gaming.

I was thinking about going to Poland, but after reading this I don't think so. Will pick something in western Europe instead.

I think Internet and cheap flights have made this tougher since any one can come to Poland or EE countries without much issues these days.

Good luck for Canada and in Vietnam. Hope you do well in your native country in Vietnam.

Post: #236

Update:

I booked my flight to Ho Chi Minh City and will be arriving there on January 23 for roughly 1 month. I'm gonna start pipelining about 1.5 weeks out. I read some reports about Vietnamese chicks being difficult so we'll see how that goes. I'm hoping my Asian features and fair skin tone will help.

I've been reading some guides on networking as well, which I hope will come in handy for helping for landing jobs in Poland. I'm gonna start looking at job postings and prepping my CV and stuff before I take off.

Lastly, I really need to start working on my starbucks game. I haven't gone out and started practicing yet, but frankly I'm really demotivated to even game here in Canada. I popped up my tinder and changed my location back to Toronto and holy shit, the girls on there were night and day. Almost every single chick I saw was a landwhale for the first 30 or so swipes. It's been extremely cold here as well, even more than Europe which makes me not want to leave the house. It just gives me even more reason to want to get the hell out of here.

Post: #237

Destiny, what are reactions of your friends when you came home?

Post: #238

(12-12-2016 06:12 PM)destiny Wrote:  Update:

I booked my flight to Ho Chi Minh City and will be arriving there on January 23 for roughly 1 month.

I'm very glad you decided to do this, to finally abandon the "only game white girls" limit. This is very helpful when you are at the beginning.

Viet chicks are like chicks everywhere, dont let stupid shit like "you have to go on at least 3 dates" etc that the locals or anyone tell you. Do your own approaches and find out, but keep your standard game.

HCM girls are very very westernized too, so you will have a blast there. Too bad if you go to Hanoi I will tell you exactly where and when to game.
Betting money Destiny's getting laid on page 12. Who's in?

Post: #239

(12-13-2016 03:43 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 06:12 PM)destiny Wrote:  Update:

I booked my flight to Ho Chi Minh City and will be arriving there on January 23 for roughly 1 month.

I'm very glad you decided to do this, to finally abandon the "only game white girls" limit.

After dating white for the majority of my dating life (im in my 30s) I am also starting to abandon this mantra. I learned it was really really limiting my abilities and potential. There isn't much diversity where I am at the moment but already dated one Colombian girl this year.

Good luck Destiny. Will be following along as usual.

Post: #240

(12-13-2016 01:42 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  Destiny, what are reactions of your friends when you came home?

Well I only really talked with two of my closest friends while I was away so they already knew about my travels. Neither one was very supportive of it and all I got was criticism from both. One of them kept on telling me I had shit game because according to him if you can't fuck ten girls in Europe while on vacation you have no game. This coming from a guy who only dates Asian girls who are a 5 and under and has been cheated on twice. He eventually latched onto a ugly ass FOB who didn't speak a word of English after he got cheated on the second time and married her within six months because he's insecure with himself and doesn't want to be alone. He likes to brag all the time about how great his game is yet when I went to a club with him, he just stood in the corner with a beer in his hand lol. He's also never even stepped foot in Europe before neither yet makes blatant claims like that without any facts to support his arguments. I basically told him to fuck off after he was being very condescending and patronizing towards me.

My other friend, well we continue to argue and debate about why I need to travel outside of Toronto to meet and date women. He's like "why can't you just be happy here with a girl here like the rest of us. Everyone is happy, except you." I told him he's lying to himself and selling himself short. He just got engaged to a chick who's almost obese, and his two previous girlfriends were all fat too. Two of my other classmates from grad school also got hitched to two fatties and these are smart, good looking guys too. I can't do it, I would rather stay sexually abstinent then sell myself short like that. I know some people would say your just being stubborn or shallow, but I would rather get rejected 10,000 times and continue to work on myself so that I can get the type of girl I want which isn't even that unreasonable then stay in a relationship with a fattie just so that I can conform to everyone's expectations here. Fuck that! According to them, I am being unreasonable and my standards are way too high if I don't take a fattie or some ugly chick as a gf. My take is they are all miserable and want me to be just as miserable as them and seeing me not accepting the status quo and trying to improve my odds and situation is pissing them off and making them feel insecure about it because they aren't doing it themselves, thus they are criticizing what I am doing. It's a good thing I am a really stubborn guy, otherwise I would have already succumbed to the peer pressure from all of them.

Post: #241

(12-13-2016 03:48 PM)destiny Wrote:  He's like "why can't you just be happy here with a girl here like the rest of us. Everyone is happy, except you." I told him he's lying to himself and selling himself short. He just got engaged to a chick who's almost obese, and his two previous girlfriends were all fat too. Two of my other classmates from grad school also got hitched to two fatties and these are smart, good looking guys too.

Ahh... They will never understand. They live in their created bubbles and others who try to be best person they can are seen as weird.
Be stubborn guy you are, it will take you far, even though that may not seem like that at the moment. I should have been more stubborn few years ago and I would be in better position now.

Post: #242

Destiny, this gonna sound hard, but you need to cut these friends off from your lives.

These are your "closest" friends, and they act nothing like it, and pull you down with them. Who need enemies if your close friends are like that? Really what makes them your closest friends? What have they done for you to make your life better?

He who has no boundaries with friends has no boundaries with women neither. Either cut them off or stop talking redpill with them.

On another note, if you are looking to bang white girls or non FOB, stop hanging out with other Asians. This may sound racist but read other threads about this and you will see what I mean. Every single Asian guy with a solid white chick I know, hang out almost exclusively with white friends.

Post: #243

(12-15-2016 07:22 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Destiny, this gonna sound hard, but you need to cut these friends off from your lives.

These are your "closest" friends, and they act nothing like it, and pull you down with them. Who need enemies if your close friends are like that? Really what makes them your closest friends? What have they done for you to make your life better?

He who has no boundaries with friends has no boundaries with women neither. Either cut them off or stop talking redpill with them.

On another note, if you are looking to bang white girls or non FOB, stop hanging out with other Asians. This may sound racist but read other threads about this and you will see what I mean. Every single Asian guy with a solid white chick I know, hang out almost exclusively with white friends.

I agree it is racist but it is mostly what needs to be done to achieve that step. I had to do a similar thing myself for awhile.

Now things are different I hang with other brothers but first i had take a step back.

Post: #244

(12-15-2016 07:22 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Destiny, this gonna sound hard, but you need to cut these friends off from your lives.

These are your "closest" friends, and they act nothing like it, and pull you down with them. Who need enemies if your close friends are like that? Really what makes them your closest friends? What have they done for you to make your life better?

He who has no boundaries with friends has no boundaries with women neither. Either cut them off or stop talking redpill with them.

On another note, if you are looking to bang white girls or non FOB, stop hanging out with other Asians. This may sound racist but read other threads about this and you will see what I mean. Every single Asian guy with a solid white chick I know, hang out almost exclusively with white friends.

Its exactly what I have been trying to do for the past year or so ever since my fallout with my so called "best friend." These guys are always trying to take jabs at me for no reason and never really bring any value into my life, especially that first guy who I wrote about that said you needed to bang 10 chicks in Europe or your nothing. He asked to hangout when I got back to brag about his new mortage on a house and other shit, but I never got back to him. The funny thing is, like 1.5 years ago when he got cheated on by his second girlfriend, and we hadn't spoken to each other in a while, all of our mutual friends pretty much abandoned him yet I was there for this guy. I listened to all of his crap and tried to cheer him up and help him out yet he continues to treat me like this, so I say to hell with him. I think there is a saying that goes "nobody can you treat any way unless you let them." or something. I told my other friend who's marrying a fatty about my plans to move to Europe and right from the get go, he was being extremely negative saying you won't belong there, its another different culture, they are racist towards Asians, you don't have the skills, etc. These are people I have been surrounded by since middle school, so now can you see why I tend to leak out a lot of negativity? I'm working on the negativity part, but its gonna take a while to reprogram my mind to be more positive. I think the best solution for me is to just start fresh, free from all of this negativity, in another country or city with brand new friends.
I started to make a lot of new friends who were higher value when I was in Europe but unfortunately due to the distance thing, keeping in touch is a lot harder. I have other friends here in Toronto as well, but every single one of them is blue bill and they all live in the suburbs just like me, which is another reason why I hate this city. Most of the natives live in the suburbs which is quite far from the downtown area, which makes hanging out difficult. Anyways, I hope I won't have any problems landing a job in Poland. I'm thinking the paperwork is where I'm gonna have a difficult time.

As for hanging out with mainly Asians, I stopped doing that after undergrad. I realized all of these people lived in a bubble and didn't want to integrate and socialize with other ethnicities. I started to look for activities and events that had mainly white people. I would say this has really helped make me more white washed and also not appear as just another Asian guy. Unfortunately here in Toronto, I think the white population is in decline. I'm seeing Asians pop up everywhere, and now in my area a lot of arabs too. I tried to take dance lessons like 1-2 years back at my university and the class was filled with Asian fobs. I tried to join a indoor rock climbing club and it was all Asian guys (I stopped going after the first meeting). This was one of the reasons why I thought about just moving to Ottawa which should be predominantly white but then I checked out tinder for Ottawa and it was horrible and also there's apparently a large pua presence there and they even made the news but not in a good way. This crosses off Ottawa as well. http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2015...klash.html

Post: #245

I agree with the previous posters, sometimes just chaging your group of friends (especially if they are foreign, like in my case are middle eastern) will greatly help since that way the drama doesnt spread around the same way as if you were back in your ethnic country

Post: #246

Update:

After doing some further thinking I have decided that in order to get a handle on my dating life, I need to move the hell outta Canada, not even another city I think would be enough. I figure I'll try my hand in Poland first since it was challenging enough to force me to adapt and learn, while at the same time still yielding a bit of fruit to keep me going. I figure I have two ways of going at it, assuming I can get a job there. This is more of a medium term goal for when I return back to Canada from my trip.

Option 1: Start applying for work either right now or as soon as I get back from Vietnam. The only problem with this is, my lack of funds which I think would be putting a tight squeeze on my financially if I were to go over there. I probably wouldn't be able to afford rent and need to borrow some money from my parents for the first 2 months or so to get by.

Option 2: Start applying for jobs in my city as soon as I get back and then save up about 8-10 grand and then start applying for jobs in Poland. This would be a much safer bet but at the same time, I would need to endure several months here where my dating life would be non-existent and my skills would plateau. Much safer bet but would have no social life for several months and just be working. The benefit of this approach is that I can also apply for a working holiday visa for Poland in case the companies don't want to sponsor me with work permits and so on. I'm leaning towards this option.

Alright now for the niddy gritty stuff.

I'm 1 week out from flying off to Ho Chi Minh City. To prepare for this trip I started to pipeline a few weeks out. Now this is where I think I screwed up. I started pipe lining about 3 weeks ago via tinder and then got a Vietnamcupid account like last week. I've gotten a fair number of matches on tinder and grabbing numbers off of girls is surprisingly extremely easy, with some chicks even offering it to me without me asking for it despite being quite picky on it however I'm noticing a lot of girls losing interest because I'm unable to meet them soon and instead am forced to continue chatting with them via text. I find it difficult to sustain interest level over several weeks and I'm noticing a dip in their interest levels. Now I'm trying to decide whether I should just leave the girl alone after grabbing the number or continue to send periodic text messages to them so that I'm not forgotten about. I've also started experimenting today with transitioning the girls over to a voice chat or video chat where I can run my verbal game which is much better then my texting skills. I actually had two girls who I number closed today and ended up having a really short 5 minute chat with them on the phone, plus a skype video chat with another one who I number closed about a week ago. Also one last thing to note about tinder in HCMC. I practically swiped right on nearly every white chick there and only got 1 match from one chick from Australia who was a 6 at best and had a bit of fat to her. She was leaving the very next day. Most of the white chicks there on tinder are age 30+post wall and work as English teachers. You would think at their age and current situation, they would be happy to even get any male attention since the local viet girls outshine them in nearly every aspect but no. I couldn't believe their arrogance to still be so picky and disregarding me just because of my race. I know this was mentioned several times before about my race being a huge detrimental to dating white girls. I should also note that most of these girls are from Anglo speaking countries such as you guessed it, Canada, USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, with the rest comprising mainly western European countries such as Sweden, and Finland. Take it for what you will, but I definitely now believe that there is some inherent under the carpet racism and discrimination against Asian men. This was less prevalent in Poland where I at least got an ok number of matches. I also spoofed my tinder location to Russia and Ukraine and also got a fair number of matches but absolutely nothing in Scandinavia and the UK. Also, there is a surprisingly high number of girls on tinder who are just looking for friends or want to practice their English. I even see some chicks who were married and had a few photos of them with their husband on tinder. Did these people not get the memo that tinder is a dating app and not a app for looking for friends? Isn't that why they have couchsurfing? Lastly, I have noticed a few ladyboys on there, and several profiles that I suspect are ladyboys as well, along with hookers. One of the girls who I number closed and started talking to, I initially had a bit of suspicion she could have potentially been a ladyboy because she had a guy's name but upon further inspection of photos she sent me in her bikini, plus joking with her about ladyboys and seeing how she responded, I'm 95% sure she ain't a dude. Also the fact that she left and went back to her home country and is Filipino made me feel a lot better talking to her. She said she wanted to date me and told me to go fly to Manila but I turned her down.

I also created an account on vietnamcupid about 3 weeks ago but didn't pay for a premium membership until like last week. I was getting a shit tonne of messages on my inbox and it currently hovers around 190 messages from girls. I was really surprised with this. It was as if I had switched shoes with girls and now felt exactly how they felt with dudes spamming their inboxes. As we speak, I continue to receive messages plus interests from girls on a daily basis. Most of the girls here and also tinder average around the 5 on the looks scale. After sorting through most of the messages plus girls I had bookmarked, I got a surprisingly high rate of response from girls who I messaged first plus the ones who messaged me, something like around mid 80% or something.

Overall: I have to admit though, after sorting out through all of the 5's, I'm actually quite impressed and surprised by the quality of the girls who I have matched with and also corresponded with. If these chicks look just as good as they do in their photos, man I might have to reconsider my previous stance about becoming attracted to white girls only. If I had known sooner quality like this could be found in Vietnam, I would have hopped on a plane ages ago. A few of them have sent me photos and they look pretty darn attractive to be honest. I could totally see myself dating these girls unlike the trash in Toronto. Short, thick glasses, acne, geeky, hoodies, sweat pants, running shoes, slightly chubby, and smelling kind of funny plus the bitchy westernized Asian chicks who think their shit don't stink who only exclusively date white guys. With these Vietnamese chicks, I no longer face the social stigma and discrimination that I face in the west and I'm able to land myself some attractive looking girls. At the moment, I'm actually getting too many messages and matches that I have had to cut back on responding to girls. It's ridiculous, I've never had this happen before. I'm having trouble keeping up responding to every chick. Two days ago, I was juggling between messaging 8 different chicks at once.

Potential scams:

1. I had spoofed my location to Nha Trang because I heard that there was a large Russian population there. You all know by now my interest in white chicks so I thought if the Viet chicks don't do it for me, I could always target the Russians. There weren't many people on tinder in Nha Trang but I did get 1 match from an attractive young Russian. She seemed receptive to my text game but then something seemed a bit off. She asked me if I lived alone or with others. I told her I lived with my plant or something sarcastic. I don't remember exactly what happened next but she made some bullshit excuse saying she needed a place to stay at for one night and wanted to come over to my place. She said the hotel she was staying at, the place was all booked up and that she didn't want to stay there anymore. I found that very suspicious. I'm not sure what type of scam she would have tried to run on me, maybe a robbery or crying rape or something but I called her out on it and she stopped replying.

2. This one was on Vietnamcupid. There was one girl who messaged me and when I responded back, immediately gave me her number. I was a little suspicious about this however I've had several girls do the same on the website so I figured maybe its normal in Vietnam. Upon adding her on whatsapp, she immediately started to send me photos and asked me my age. I didn't give her a straight answer on my age. The first two photos were ok, but then starting from the third photo it got progressively more and more provocative with her 4th and 5th photo being her in a nightclub beside a table in a really skimpy looking black dress with massive cleavage. This was a huge red flag for me, because so far no girl had sent me photos right from the beginning and definitely no photos where the girl is dressed so slutty. I asked her what she did for a living and she said she just studies but that her ex-bf used to support her but now her parents do. It sounded really suspect so I asked her what she was looking for her and she told me she was looking for love and marriage and for someone to take care of her. I guess her definitely of taking care of her meant a sugardaddy or something. She in turn asked me the same thing and at this point, I was 90% sure she was either a hooker, golddigger, or some scammer so I gave her a sarcastic answer and told her I'm here to look for a old rich lady who would marry me and buy me a nice expensive car and house and nice rolex watch. I told her I already received two offers, one with a BMW and another for a Mercedes and asked her which one she thinks I should take. She says she doesn't know and then wished me goodluck and said she had to go. I immediately called her out on it and she stopped replying back.

Update: I just checked and her profile has been removed, so its a confirmed scam.

3. There's a few minor dishonestly issues but not really a scam depending on how you look at it. There were at least two girls who I exchanged several texts with and later number closed. Neither chick looked like the original photos they had on their profiles. One of them made a bullshit excuse saying because she's in her school uniform so that's why she doesn't look anything like the photo, Bullshit! The second one told me she looked a lot more beautiful then her profile pic prior to giving me her number. She ended up being extremely butt ugly. The girl who I mentioned that I skyped with today also looked to be significantly uglier then her photos. I'm at the point right now where I'm thinking if I should make every chick skype or video chat with me prior to meeting up with them because this is just blatant dishonesty. Also nearly every chick always asks for my name and age even though its listed on my tinder and Vietnamcupid profiles. This leads me to suspect that they all lie about their names and age. The Filipino chick also lied about her age. Her profile listed her as 27, but she told me later on that she was 30 but that she couldn't change it on facebook, bullshit! I changed my facebook age to try and get a cheaper price on tinder plus. Several girls also had different real names compared to their profiles. I'm not sure whether or not its customary to ask strangers for their ages and what they do for a living right from the get go or if they are trying to size me up but a huge percentage of chicks have asked me this usually relatively quickly. I'm actually using this as a gauge now to see if she's a scammer or not.

Problems:

1. A lot of the girls don't speak good English. From my interactions so far, maybe like 20% speak at a decent level. Most of them speak little to no English and often times, leads would end their interactions upon discovering that I can only speak in English. I can totally see this being an even bigger problem once I land there and start doing day and night game. I can only understand a little bit of Vietnamese and speak like 3 words lol.

2. A lot of the girls are going away back home during the Tet holiday. I've had at least 3 girls tell me they are going away during the Tet holiday. This gives the girl time to cool off and all of the work I did prior would be wasted. It won't be for at least another 3 weeks before I can meet up with these chicks at the earliest.

3. My logistics is kind of fucked. My parents have booked a place I believe in District 3 because they want to be near our relatives like right across the street from them lol. I'll have to double check to see exactly where it is located. Initially they booked all of our beds together but then I told them I couldn't sleep because my father snores like crazy and that I needed some privacy so they booked me a separate smaller room. The place is apparently in someone's house I think. I hope this won't be an issue if I try to bring a girl back to my room. I don't think they would have let me spend money and book another place in D1, plus my funds are kind of low despite me making a few hundred back since I got back home. I could try to take the girl to a hotel somewhere in D1 but then comes the challenge in how do I tell her that I'm going to take her to a hotel for the night? I doubt most would be willing to go, unless we had been dating for a while which I can't do for obviously reasons. I'm thinking if my area has restaurants & cafes, I could try to get her to meet me in my area, go to those venues then try and bounce her to my place or I would meet them in D1 somewhere, and venue bounce them to the hotel but I would need some good reasons to convince her to come and book a hotel with me. I don't think I would be able to seal the deal at the girls place, unless she lived alone. I think for me, this is probably going to be the biggest obstacle to overcome.

4. Maintaining interest level until I arrive. I'm not really sure how to go about this. I'm thinking I might text them either every 3-4 days or only once a week or I do it 1-2 days before I fly out.

5. Family cockblocks. Since I'm here with family and kind of expected to stick around for family gatherings and stuff, this could potentially be a problem.


I'm actually kind of stoked for this trip now. I love Vietnamese food and warm weather and I have a tonne of leads before landing in Vietnam. I think overall things should be a lot easier here for me based on what I'm seeing so far online. Hopefully things work out in the end.

On an unrelated matter: That Latvian chick who I mentioned that I met on my last night and tried to kiss her but she rejected my advance, messaged me out of the blue on whatsapp two days ago asking me what's up and if I went back to Canada. I guess I didn't screw things up with her as badly as I thought I did. I'm positive if I had had more time in Riga, I could have gone a lot further with her. Ah well, I suppose if I ever go back to Riga I could catch up with her and maybe resume things where they left off.

Post: #247

You are still overthinking things, but at least you should have success this trip.

To get them back to your place just say something simple like "lets go back to mine and watch a movie"

Good to see you liking Asian girls now, the uphill battle of trying to smash white girls when your an Asian guy isn't worth the effort.

Post: #248

Heading down to the airport now...

Post: #249

Just arrived...

I'm completely overwhelmed with what I'm seeing here. It's like the wild wild west or something. There was a huge mob of people directly outside of the airport in the arrivals area. I was worried I was going to get stampeded to death or something as soon as I left the doors. Cars and scooters are dashing around everywhere. It makes me wonder if these people have a death wish or something, cars honking non-stop, people cutting each other off, etc. I also had an interesting experience during my 16 hour flight to Vietnam which I will write more about as soon as I catch up on my sleep.

Post: #250

Destination: Saigon (Ho Chi Minh City)
Day 1:

I was really hoping that I could have been paired up with a decent looking chick during my flight so that I could have gamed her but instead got a father and his young kid no older than 5-6. I've never really liked working with kids and this kid reinforced that fact for me. He was literally banging his feet or shoulders into me like every 5 fucking minutes while I was trying to catch up on sleep and to make matters worse he kept on farting too. I don't know wtf his father feed him but this kid could have won a farting marathon race. Every 10-15 minutes, he would let one rip. I was dying there sitting beside the spawn of satan for 14 fucking hours until luckily, I didn't need to sit beside them again when I had to transfer planes but they were still on the same flight! On my next flight, I didn't have any luck neither. In fact, come to think about it, there weren't much single girls on the flight, mostly families. When I arrived at the airport in Saigon and was waiting to pick up my luggage, I noticed conveyor belt for another flight that came in from Taipei. It was stacked full of cute girls. It was literally something like 40-50% females there. I probably should have tried to strike up a conversation with them using the excuse, "do you know when our luggage is gonna arrive?" but I had a huge case of anxiety looking for my parents who arrived here on another flight (their flight was all booked out). I didn't speak viet, my mother shoved a bunch of extra things into to my luggage that I didn't about so I was worried about customs and the fact that I couldn't locate them even though they arrived earlier then me.

After getting picked up by my uncle and aunt, we were shortly taken to our hotel (more like motel) literally directly opposite my grandmother's house. I immediately noticed a women sitted by a chair out front who I assumed was sort of like a security person or something, not good! The place looked really old and I wasn't expecting much as we made our way into our rooms. My parents booked two separate rooms after I made a fuss about it. They got me a smaller room and when I actually show it, I was shocked at how horrible it looked. There was no window, the room was tiny, and looked really dirty. The washroom was dirty, bugs could be seen walking on the walls, and the toilet was still yellow. Also apparently they don't really use toilet paper to wipe their asses much here, instead you use a hose. This was definitely a new experience for me, having pressurized water shoot up your ass to clean it which kind of feels like someone shoved their dick up your ass, yikes!

The shower also had no curtains, and you basically just shower while getting the whole bathroom including the toilet all wet. I scooped out my parent's room as well, and it literally looked exactly like months except it had a window lol and a desk. They switched it with me because I needed a desk to work. My parent complained later that the toilet was yellow and filthy. Yup, there was no way I was going to take a girl back to this place. I would be embarrassed to show it to another girl. Later on when I came back home around 12am, I noticed the front doors were also locked with chains and all the lights were out. I was like thinking wtf! I had to call my aunt to come help me get the women to open the doors. There's no fucking way I'm gonna get laid in this "hotel". Luckily, I asked my aunt and uncle to take me to another hotel. This was is literally 1 block away. Its like an extra $6-7 bucks but it looks hell of a lot better and its open 24/7 with a front desk personnel. I just looked at the hotel online and apparently there's even a restaurant in there somewhere. I could use this an excuse then to invite a chick to dinner after having drinks and then ask her to come upstairs to "go watch a movie" or something. My only issue is how do I ask them if its girl friendly since my uncle and aunt are doing the translation for me lol. I can't say "Umm... can you ask the guy if its ok, if I bring a girl back with me to the hotel room." lol and if I ask them to ask the guy if I can bring a guest back, they will get suspicious and ask me what guess. Its a 2 star hotel and I don't think it will be an issue but who knows.

Several of the girls are very eager to meet up with me but before I can schedule the dates, I need to figure out my logistics first and also get my phone issue all sorted out. I had ordered a brand new phone from a company based in China but the fuckers still hadn't delivered my phone after waiting 6+ weeks for it so I had to bring my old shitty phone that I had problems with from Riga and Poland. I figure I'm gonna have to buy a smartphone here then.

Tomorrow I'm gonna see if I can get the phone issue fixed, my accommodations changed, and hopefully have found 1-2 good places around my area to take girls to for drinks/food.

On a final note: I've noticed the girls are dressed pretty classy and conservative here. I didn't really see any tank tops or mini skirts or short tight jeans. Also although there is a massive amount of targets everywhere, they are all on scooters. I didn't really see any single girls walking by themselves on the sidelines. Nearly every chick I saw was driving a scooter. This may present some further issues as I don't want to die, driving the scooter in these crazy driving conditions. While seated in the passenger seat on two separate occasions, my relatives would just drive right into oncoming traffic and not move a muscle as they waited to do a u turn or switch lanes. You literally see people honking there horns non-stop every where even though, it seems no one gives a shit about it. It's kind of frightening watching up close they get into oncoming traffic while they try to cut the person in front of them off. My relatives drove me around the downtown core area and the D1 district. We passed by a popular tourist area and I saw quite a number of tourist. You know, this is kind of shocking to me, but I actually didn't feel like bothering with the tourist and ex-pats there at all. I actually wanted to go pursue a Vietnamese girl instead.

I'm gonna start lining up dates with these Viet girls in 1-2 days from now if possible.