Post: #26

One of the issues is that when you try to ask questions to see where you are with what level of girl too, you get disciplined (like I was) for suggesting others are (may be) FOS about their conquests. Just pointing out a way to make everything more understandable.

I've appreciated the advice and savvy found on the board, but I do think as well there is a bit too much whining. By the same token, the very core of our talks on rvf focus on a corrupted society that we're seeking to reform, or at least more manageable. I've never liked "man the f up" responses to that --- as if we didn't know that's what you have to do in life on some level.

Post: #27

Could it simply be that as Roosh's profile gets raised in the media, more people here about him and that more people join the forums? Some of the newcomers might not be as well versed or as experienced as some of the more established members and what they perceive as the "well drying up" is really a reflection of their lack of game or their inability to adapt to newer models.

Post: #28

Word. You've just thrown the cold hard truth in our faces.

Being able to get laid is a combination of factors - being white, speaking the language, etc. definitely helps but overall, it boils down to how you can use those "assets" to build solid game.

Post: #29

I think what GE stated is pretty much common sense.
Though I disagree that complaining about a place or how you badly did in a certain city is absolutely bad. Maybe it has reached record levels on the forum or some posters take it to an extreme level.
But there are things to be learned from complaints or negative reports. I didn't do well in Cuiaba, Cuiaba, for example and will complain about the women in the city, to anybody who wants to listen, because there are things they can learn from my negative experience.
Also 4 years ago, I wrote off Medellin and now I went back this year and did very well, and am planning to live there and buy an apartment.
Things are fluid...never static when traveling. Complaining is ok, as long as you understand the reasons behind your failure and don't overdo it. Also the more details the better.

Post: #30

(10-09-2016 07:47 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(10-09-2016 04:38 PM)CodyB Wrote:  it's all about strategy. You wanted to be in a position where you can differentiate yourself to your competition. People are still pulling like crazy in these cities, but are perhaps not as keen to share it because for every value adding member here, there are 100 lurkers taking these tips for free and not giving back.

Agreed. Plus I haven't been to Soi 11 since maybe the first week I came to Bangkok. In fact, I avoid it like the plague. I go deeper into the local culture and have been banging girls who has probably never banged a foreigner before. How? Sorry, but I won't share it here for reasons Cody mentioned.

Agreed. Roosh has no interest to make any private sub either so I guess it's not going to change.

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Post: #33

Great post.

We get a lot of complaining in the Poland thread, it's mostly only the guys who are living here which have positive things to say regarding the situation because for the most part others are coming for 1-2 weeks and expecting pussy to rain from the heavens. At least that's the impression I get.

For my own part I didn't move here to have easy access to women, I came here for a challenging lifestyle and if finding a partner is part of that so be it. At least when I am finally rewarded for it, there's a high chance she will be in good shape and have a pleasant personality as opposed to working my ass off and being rewarded with an overweight and overbearing wall victim divorcee with children from a prior relationship.

Post: #34

^ Agree. In the Poland thread, we have some guys restricting themselves to night game, despite the fact that established members in Poland, such as Zelcorpion, say day game and social circle are the ways to go.

Shoot, we even have one guy who's been in Poland for at least a year, only posts to complain about night game wherever he his, but can't be bothered to improve his situation, like do day game or move.

Post: #35

(01-14-2017 08:51 AM)dies irae Wrote:  Things got a lot harder in the Philippines after some time in September 2016, seemingly overnight.

I can't put my finger on it but I feel the change every time I go out, even when I'm not intending to game.

I'm muscular, so I used to get lots of IOIs when I go out. In the last few months, IOIs dwindled to almost nothing. I feel the difference when I approach too. I eject out of most my approaches because the girls act uninterested.

(01-14-2017 08:02 PM)LATAMnomad Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 08:12 AM)Gilwood Wrote:  There's a term being thrown around A LOT in the philippines by girls: Fuckboy. It's used to refer to an american who comes there to setup 2-3 dates a day and wants to screw every girl and no intention of finding a wife.

How did you know or what indication was evident that "A LOT" of girls are saying this?

If it is true, this is evidence of the process of the Philippines also getting played out.

Post: #36

(01-19-2017 09:30 AM)Global Entry Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 08:02 PM)LATAMnomad Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 08:12 AM)Gilwood Wrote:  There's a term being thrown around A LOT in the philippines by girls: Fuckboy. It's used to refer to an american who comes there to setup 2-3 dates a day and wants to screw every girl and no intention of finding a wife.

How did you know or what indication was evident that "A LOT" of girls are saying this?

If it is true, this is evidence of the process of the Philippines also getting played out.

Girls complain about fuckboys in Toronto all the time... doesn't change the fact that they still fuck the same high value guys.

Post: #37

(10-08-2016 08:17 AM)Global Entry Wrote:  1. And this applies across the board - being white is not game. If you think your game is being white, you have no game. Can it be an advantage some places - sure. But in general, you get what you pay for and if you're relying on being white and being white alone, you'll hit a ceiling fairly fucking quickly.

I agree 100%. You don't have game if you can only bang in Thailand and Philippines, or only Asian girls in the West.

The players I've met can hook up with girls practically anywhere within reason (obviously not Saudi Arabia etc.)

If you're not getting anywhere with cute non-Asian chicks in a city like Toronto, it's a sign you need to hit the gym, improve your style, or improve your social skills/get more experience.

Also, there are some city trolls that keep bitching about particular cities. A certain poster comes into mind for Toronto who's downright hysterical, and another for Montreal. Both hysterically complain about their cities, with one complaining that local quebecois girls hating arab guys.

I was in Montreal recently, and all that was bullshit. A lot of girls think I'm arab looking, and they responded well to my look.

It's fine, guys can keep complaining about Montreal. I've been there and I know it's a great place for high value guys.

Also here's a big thing.... every time I go back to a place I do better. I do MUCH better in a city like Toronto than I did a few years ago. That's because my confidence and value keeps increasing. I don't see decline... all I see is my own success getting better and better, same with cities like Medellin.

Be the type of guy that's coveted everywhere, and you'll do well. I'm aiming to be 1%, in terms of physique, in lifestyle, in game, in charisma. It's a slow journey but its worth it. Stop trying to shortcut shit and focus on improving yourself, learning languages, learning new hobbies.

Yeah, if you're Mr. Average White Guy, you're going to be affected by more foreigners in your city. But if you're a 1% guy, that's not going to hurt you.

By the way, the reason I have this mindset is from hanging out with friends who crush it in cities like Toronto and the toughest cities. They're all top 1% guys. And they fuck 8-9s regularly. That's what happens when you're ripped, have a central crib, a solid frame, and razor sharp confidence. At that point every city is a great city and all this talk about "the decline" sounds like whining.

(Also I don't think Toronto is that tough if you're a top tier guy... there is a lot of quality walking around, the hard part is becoming a top tier guy. Much better than DC where there's much less quality).

Post: #38

(01-20-2017 12:51 PM)tegabanega Wrote:  Bangkok is garbage these days. full of sex hungry tourists . the clubs are expensive. heck even the p4p bargirls are much more expensive than a few years ago(that tells you the whole story) rich fat arabs and other P4P chasers have increased 10 fold in the city. just go to sukhumvit and you will see.


i went to bangkok back in 2006 and it was a very different city back then.. everything has become much more expensive. drinking in clubs cost you more than in western europe in some areas. the thai people are rude in central areas(probably because they are sick of forgeiners). the tourists behave like douchebags everywhere. there are better places to visit in thailand than bangkok imo. the foreigners have ruined this city.. its become phuket 2.0

the thing that surprised me the most is the number of foreigners living in the city on a thai wage. working for call centers and things like that.. that even includes fat radical femenist ladies from UK and US.

(01-20-2017 01:39 PM)markygras Wrote:  Alas, mongers tend to ruin cities for other guys - particularly guys with game or ones who travel abroad hoping to meet the right woman. In Medellin, for instance, you would have had 9's and 10's crawling out of the woodwork to (at the very least) dance with you at the club or share a drink with you, on account of you being white/gringo. Now? It's a social stigma to be seen with a white guy because it suggests you're a prostitute. So now it's more difficult for non-mongers

Post: #39

You can't complain about people complaining if at the same time you are not showing that it can be done.

I'm not speaking to anyone personally. But if people are not posting their experience and strategies, you can not explain people not to complain about not having succes.

Posting your strategies and results show that it can be done. You prove that if someone doesn't get the same success as you it's his fault. No-one is going to say that it's impossible to get laid in XYZ if there are continuous reports of members crushing it there. They might ask some pointers to replicate their succes, or explain what they have been doing in the hope that other members comment and help them out.

This is what a forum on game is about.

I really don't understand the protectionist attitude towards ones strategies. It's not like posting your favourite pussy paradise is going to corrupt it. I would argue that if a lot of retards go there, try your strategies and fail, it's making it easier for you. Then again, this forum is not big enough to influence mating markets in any place whatsoever. Even if a couple of thousand guys show up over the course of a few years, this is not going to change much.

Nightgame isn't dead. Pussy paradises aren't dead. Whining about it, in any way shape or form, is not productive. Asking for help is. Because the variables might change, and your strategies may get outdated. That's why there are forums like this: to work together on new strategies to keep up with that change.

There will always be ways for men to bang sloots or meet a nice girl to marry. It's human nature.

Post: #40

The whiner looks for external problems to blame his woes upon. The winner looks within to resolve his own issues. That, my friends, is the difference.

Post: #41

Looks to me a lot of guys are relying too much on "White God Factor" and now with globalization, the internet, cheaper travel, and the degradation of western women forcing men to seek real women, being white and simply showing up is no longer enough.

Maybe for low quality women but not above average women.

Post: #42

And so on, and so on. By the way, being good looking is not game. Perhaps its a substitute for game, or more to the point, game is a substitute for being good looking (amongst other attributes).

Got around 4-6 different girls, depending how you count, on the carousel in BKK. Not slamming them all at the same time, but all actively engaged. No nana types in the bunch. I'm local (but have spent three weeks in Bangkok over the past several months) but new. Its just not that difficult.

(02-15-2017 07:46 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  After my recent trip to Bangkok (3rd year in a row, for a total of about a month), I can confirm that it's definitely no longer pussy paradise for a short-term bang trip unless you're only going after pros, semi-pros and 5/10 farang hunters who have taken 100 other foreign cocks before you. Not shamed to admit that I pulled my fair share of those, and it gets boring FAST. By short term I don't only mean a week either. Unless you're living there for a substantial amount of time to build social circles and form some type of status to separate yourself from the rest of the foreigners, you're going to struggle getting much quality. Not even dressing stylish fixes that problem anymore because the attractive middle/upper class Thai girls in RCA/Thonglor etc attitudes towards foreigners are that bad, and those attitudes are only going to get worse. I can still see good looking Koreans, Chinese and Japanese men with their shit together doing well in Bangkok, but there's just to much of a stigma against other nationalities nowadays so it's game over for us.

Like I said, you can probably still do well with the right connections and status but for the average visitor, even the young, attractive ones, it's probably not worth the battle. I actually back myself to do much better in the west as a good looking, white guy. At least there you're not fighting an uphill battle against stigmas and most bitches don't care about their reputation or are actually encouraged by their friends to get with "the hot guy".

In saying this, I did have a load of fun, have some memorable stories to tell, ate some amazing food, and banged a lot of average quality Thai sluts. The islands were better though and I picked up all sorts of different flags there.

Post: #43

Just read what David bond is doing.

Post: #44

(02-17-2017 12:48 PM)Global Entry Wrote:  And so on, and so on. By the way, being good looking is not game. Perhaps its a substitute for game, or more to the point, game is a substitute for being good looking (amongst other attributes).

Got around 4-6 different girls, depending how you count, on the carousel in BKK. Not slamming them all at the same time, but all actively engaged. No nana types in the bunch. I'm local (but have spent three weeks in Bangkok over the past several months) but new. Its just not that difficult.

(02-15-2017 07:46 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  After my recent trip to Bangkok (3rd year in a row, for a total of about a month), I can confirm that it's definitely no longer pussy paradise for a short-term bang trip unless you're only going after pros, semi-pros and 5/10 farang hunters who have taken 100 other foreign cocks before you. Not shamed to admit that I pulled my fair share of those, and it gets boring FAST. By short term I don't only mean a week either. Unless you're living there for a substantial amount of time to build social circles and form some type of status to separate yourself from the rest of the foreigners, you're going to struggle getting much quality. Not even dressing stylish fixes that problem anymore because the attractive middle/upper class Thai girls in RCA/Thonglor etc attitudes towards foreigners are that bad, and those attitudes are only going to get worse. I can still see good looking Koreans, Chinese and Japanese men with their shit together doing well in Bangkok, but there's just to much of a stigma against other nationalities nowadays so it's game over for us.

Like I said, you can probably still do well with the right connections and status but for the average visitor, even the young, attractive ones, it's probably not worth the battle. I actually back myself to do much better in the west as a good looking, white guy. At least there you're not fighting an uphill battle against stigmas and most bitches don't care about their reputation or are actually encouraged by their friends to get with "the hot guy".

In saying this, I did have a load of fun, have some memorable stories to tell, ate some amazing food, and banged a lot of average quality Thai sluts. The islands were better though and I picked up all sorts of different flags there.

This thread is the Truth. +1 rep

This my third winter in Thailand and is it getting better every year.

Post: #45

Was just there twice in the last few months. With Irish, Bushido, TJ, many others.

What you're reporting...

No. No, and no. And also, yeah, no.

They asked you if you're a sex tourist? Maybe they spotted your loafers bro.

(02-03-2017 01:31 AM)Svara Wrote:  People who come over just for 3 weeks and "getting a flag" are ruining it. That stuff has become public knowledge and women are now more weary of it. Some directly asked me "are you a sex tourist?"... They even have Facebook groups where they make fun of the sex tourists.

Every other day in Jakarta I see some obvious PUA in wingman teams patrolling the malls, wearing "loafers" or some other stereotypical ridiculous PUA outfits and trying always the same techniques on the women... That stuff is really getting old.

The future of PUA is rather to settle and focus on few given places of your choice (rather than running around like a headless chicken just to get "flags", which does not make any sense, practically) and doing all of it in a very discrete, underground way, and do our best to offer "plausible denial". That is how I see the evolution of this movement. The conventional way of "hitting the nightclubs" is yielding less and less results.

Post: #46

That "fuckboy" word in the PI, reminds me of all the doom and gloom guys on other travel forums (5-6 years ago keep in mind) that kept talking about how the girls were constantly saying "No Playman" or "Play-men".

This was back way before shit like tinder existed. Some guys were reporting back then that they were getting told this in person outside of dating websites.

Back then, I chalked it up to something more specific, after I profiled the guys reporting this.

They were thirsty and spooked the puss with any large amount of words, that should not come out of your mouth until you have gotten enough positive feedback or rapport with a woman. Worst of all, I found that back then some sperg-like knuckleheads were asking women while daygaming if they were barworkers or other socially retarded things, that the girls interpreted as creepy solicitation. As a result they would call out these guys as play men to their face.

Boils down to this: You make a mistake with your choice of words (AKA Bad Game), you will continue to pay the price. Guys get cocky and get the wrong idea, that they should get a free pass to say the dumbest shit and get away with it because of foreigner status. When the gals check them, they get a stick up their ass and report back on the forums, that the women are now bitchy.

I also like Global's loafers comment. I saw an Australian in the BKK airport with his shirt buttoned down 4-5 buttons from his neck. His orange hair puffed out, big stomach, and everything else. Come on man! The dude had the smuggest fucking look on his face and literally gave zero fucks about anything leaning on his luggages. He looked high as fuck to be honest. He was wearing loafers as well.

When you look like a lazy monger, you will get treated like one. Even a certain ladyboy would probably block an approach if you looked like that guy, that's how bad that is.

Nothing changes folks. Playman, with it's shitty English, was a screening test in the PI years ago, and now Fuckboy, with it's also shitty vernacular, is being used to screen out losers with poor social skills as well. A far cry from online game in the US where they mostly screen for skin color and other arbitrary and inane minutiae outside of anyone's control. You never stood a chance to begin with. No guy here was born a Fuckboy or a Playman. If they think you are one, you gave off the vibe of one. Case closed.

@Asdfk

On these forums, no one knows how any of these low rep, haven't met anyone known, no historical background dudes, carry themselves. The burden of proof is that they are required to pass the Unofficial RVF Shit Test of Value Exam.

The answers to the exam are scattered all over the forum. It's an easy exam, but for the lazy, it is the toughest exam in the world. That is why it is so effective for us to use it against those of unknown value.

At any time, most guys here can hop off our high horses, mosey on over and see what the fuss is about. If we pull several DTF chicks or get alot of attention and numbers, we know that nothing hasn't changed. Dusty's post after one of the ones Global quoted is a shining example. Like I posted last year fighting with some other banned knucklehead here. You will have to work alot harder than a 2 sentence to one paragraph post to convince me that the women are ruined in <insert country>, double so, if I can still pull in my sleep there.

Post: #47

Women are not ruined. Countries aren't ruined. Sometimes I think we at the forum think we exert more influence than we actually have. Women are women - they really haven't changed all. If you're disappointed with the women you're meeting or wondering why they're all ruined, that's actually code word for you to step up your game and lifestyle.

Women are not dumb. If you present yourself as a mediocre man then women in any part of the world have the prerogative to reject you. Whiteness isn't game. Going to poor countries isn't game. I would argue that in the night spots I hang out in across South East Asia, there are more Western provider males than these girls know what to do with.

What separates guys who are really smashing quality and guys who are tiring out their thumbs is not black and white. It's a combination of game, lifestyle and also cultural knowledge. I can present myself as a man of value in different cities in South East Asia because I can make comments or jokes that immediately show a girl that I've been here before, I come here often, and I'll be back again soon. Game is all about comfort. My game is solid. My lifestyle is top notch. My cultural understanding is nuanced. Trust me, most guys at the bar are better looking than me or more have better openers than me. However, put an 8 in front of me and give me 10 minutes in a foreign land, and I'll take my chances that I'll do better than you.

Coming out to South East Asia and being white does not present much value. Being able to swipe on Tinder does not present much value. However, when you come and live in this part of the world, dress well, talk a good game, understand cultural nuances, and build a social network, your possibilities really are endless and far greater than what you'd have in the West.

Post: #48

I don't know much about these countries or about the women because I don't travel like you gents. That said, I'm one of the top sales people in my firm and know a thing or two about resilience. I also know Dantes pretty well and attest to his experiences because I have seen his pictures of women, often times as he is with them in real time; not in coitus, although I don't doubt that's what's happening when I don't hear from him for a while .

When I started my attitude was very positive. I made loads of cold calls and set lots of meetings. I eked out every sale and slowly built up my book of business. I really wasn't that good at this time, but I thought I was doing really well because of all my initial activity. There were haters at that time that made excuses about not being able to set quality meetings because of some excuse or the other. No matter what they boiled down to "the sun's in my eye."

As I gained more and more success, I stopped cold calling as much and relied on existing customers quite a bit. I got full of it, like success was owed to me because of my past performance. Let me tell you what. I have to get on the phone just like I did in the beginning to keep the success going. I realized this and got on the phones about a month or so ago and started calling people. I realized many people weren't calling back or I wasn't getting any meetings. So I reduced my call volume and started making excuses like "oh, they're not calling because the market is saturated" or "I can just rely on existing customers." I realized that these calls were planned poorly as well due to my shitty holier than thou attitude.

Last week, my boss asked me to mentor this new woman in our role and set a phone competition with her to help her. Let me tell you what. She is great on the phone. She came from Fidelity for God's sakes. I realized that if I were to really train her, I have to do it right. It got my attitude in check. I planned properly, showed her what I did and we both made some calls. I beat her but would not have with the previous shitty attitude. She proceeded to buy me drinks after the competition and I was drinking some great scotch. I succeeded not only in proving to myself that I still had it but more importantly, I set an example for someone new.

To reiterate, I don't know shit about travel and probably even less about game. That said, I know success, hard work and attitude for generating something from nothing, in this case sales. So hopefully you can see some analogies in my experience.

Post: #49

Cobra and MD, both of ya, great fucking posts.

Post: #50

(02-25-2017 08:55 AM)Cobra Wrote:  I don't know much about these countries or about the women because I don't travel like you gents. That said, I'm one of the top sales people in my firm and know a thing or two about resilience. I also know Dantes pretty well and attest to his experiences because I have seen his pictures of women, often times as he is with them in real time; not in coitus, although I don't doubt that's what's happening when I don't hear from him for a while .

When I started my attitude was very positive. I made loads of cold calls and set lots of meetings. I eked out every sale and slowly built up my book of business. I really wasn't that good at this time, but I thought I was doing really well because of all my initial activity. There were haters at that time that made excuses about not being able to set quality meetings because of some excuse or the other. No matter what they boiled down to "the sun's in my eye."

As I gained more and more success, I stopped cold calling as much and relied on existing customers quite a bit. I got full of it, like success was owed to me because of my past performance. Let me tell you what. I have to get on the phone just like I did in the beginning to keep the success going. I realized this and got on the phones about a month or so ago and started calling people. I realized many people weren't calling back or I wasn't getting any meetings. So I reduced my call volume and started making excuses like "oh, they're not calling because the market is saturated" or "I can just rely on existing customers." I realized that these calls were planned poorly as well due to my shitty holier than thou attitude.

Last week, my boss asked me to mentor this new woman in our role and set a phone competition with her to help her. Let me tell you what. She is great on the phone. She came from Fidelity for God's sakes. I realized that if I were to really train her, I have to do it right. It got my attitude in check. I planned properly, showed her what I did and we both made some calls. I beat her but would not have with the previous shitty attitude. She proceeded to buy me drinks after the competition and I was drinking some great scotch. I succeeded not only in proving to myself that I still had it but more importantly, I set an example for someone new.

To reiterate, I don't know shit about travel and probably even less about game. That said, I know success, hard work and attitude for generating something from nothing, in this case sales. So hopefully you can see some analogies in my experience.

great comment, although you are comment about hitting a plateau after some success.

for others, they make excuses, or rather indulge in self-limiting beliefs, in a number of ways. the foreigner value/"its played" dimension is just one. but there are all sorts of threads here about height, money, looks, age (too young, too old, etc.), ratios, etc. There is a thread about which city is the best one, and someone rightly said the city you are in right now.

game is about making the best with what you have, not making excuses. its about going out and trying, and then improving, not sitting around making excuses.