Post: #26

I live in Zürich, so maybe I can be of some use. But a few words about my background, I'm pretty old (around 50) and I'm not interested at all in what most of you guys are all drooling over: Young, slim, white and maybe even blonde women. I'm mostly into black women with thick legs and butts. I've built my own little paradise with more than a handful affairs going and I fuck in four languages, of which I'm proud.

At least in the three major cities Zurich (Zürich), Basel and Geneva, there has been massive immigration for decades. This begs the question, what is a "Swiss girl"? If she's white and young, she's likely a second generation kid of south eastern European immigrants, mostly Serbian and Albanian. Or Portuguese. South eastern Europe and Portugal are the major sources of immigration with Germany coming up strong now too. People from Turkish and even Moroccon background may also look just about the same.

So it takes a very trained eye to figure out the background of a "Swiss white girl." Because the girls genetically from Germany, Switzerland, Portugal and the Balkans have one thing in common. They are for the most part flat assed. Sometimes, they are wider at the hips than at the thighs and sometimes once again wider at the shoulders than at the hips for crying out loud. I'd say the girls from the balkans tend to have straight, slim and long noses while a genetic Swiss girl might have a more potato shaped nose.

I'd say young girls from the Balkans may be good looking in a cyber lolita kind of way. But they age horribly disgracefully, starting at about 19.5 years they transform into ugly witches. I know because the neighbourhood where I go grocery shopping, Oerlikon, could as well be renamed to Belgrade-west.

Now, we have very decent latin, Asian and African communities and obviosuly these women are easier to recognize.

I only pursue recent immigrants. If she speaks Swiss German, I loose interest quickly. Speaking Swiss German means she has been assimilated by our sucky bitch wall mentality.

Yes, game is very hard in Zürich but if you're stuck here you just try your best.

The town is all drugged up and whored up. People have too much money for cocaine and other shit. Pretty safe to say that the previously mentioned Kaufleuten club is our cocaine capital.

There are not many bars where you could approach someone and the clubs are very loud.

The only "official pick up club" is Adagio, with a mixed age crowd. The most beautiful women are likely amateur whores but they don't tell you until 6 in the morning.

A resource that hasn't been mentioned yet is the website http://www.usgang.ch. Loosely translated "going out" dot ch.

It lists about 90 club nights for the coming Saturday. As much as Zürich may suck for game, the cultural diversity is great. I just recommend you bring someone to the club and just enjoy the music.

Other than that, the town is OK, that's why half of Europe wants to move here. We have mountains nearby, a robust economy with a decent business environment and contrary to popular belief, low taxes.

We have lots of brave men who have married beatiful women from latin America, Asia and Africa and I thank them wholeheartedly for bringing all that talent to my doorstep.

Because day and night game is hard and one-night "stuff" is uncommon and widely frowned upon, I've done most everything with the Internet lately. Badoo works in Zürich, it's free for the women and everyone has a photo. It takes lots of patience.

Post: #27

hey, thanks for the info man
i've been to Zurich a couple of times but never for long, didn't stay long enough to really get a feel for the place
that's interesting what you said about women who speak Swiss German in Zurich, and i don't doubt what you're saying at all
I've think there is much less of this attitude in non-Zurich Swiss women certainly from the ones I've met (a few women from other Swiss cities and a couple from the countryside)
Perhaps though because I've already got some social circle built up, and know some German and a few words of Swiss German too, that I get treated a bit more favourably

Post: #28

Thanks for the likes.

I think two clubs have not been mentioned.

Carlton: Tuesday only, after work party 18 hours to midnight. Good vibes on the full dance floor, exceptional, mixed talent. But, bad ratio and these bankster mofos are good looking so the competition is intense. I went there again yesterday and some of the cuties wore expensive gear so again I had no clue who was whoring and who wasn't.

Palavrion, Thursday through Saturday. Women go there to find men I was told. Can't confirm, I'm too old for there and I can't stomach the ho hum house music.

If anyone has the opportunity to check out Carlton or Palavrion, I'd like to know.

Post: #29

I kind of soften my stance on Switzerland. I was in Lugano for two weekends during august and July. It's amazing. Tons of hot Italian minded Swiss girls. Can't wait to go back when the students are back in town... weather is also better since it's more of an Italian than Alpine climate.

besides, it's absolutely beautiful too. And expensive as fuck.

Post: #30

(09-19-2012 07:55 AM)amity Wrote:  I've think there is much less of this attitude in non-Zurich Swiss women certainly from the ones I've met (a few women from other Swiss cities and a couple from the countryside)

Yes, I do believe it gets better outside of Zürich pretty much in any direction but when I travel I go abroad so I don't have much experience.

About "my" ethnic women (those not speaking Swiss German), they are for the most part approachable and not bitchy. Problem is, hardly anyone wants just to have some fun and they're after monogamous long term relationships, or worse.

Post: #31

(09-19-2012 02:40 PM)Sr. Proctologist Wrote:  Palavrion, Thursday through Saturday. Women go there to find men I was told. Can't confirm, I'm too old for there and I can't stomach the ho hum house music.

If anyone has the opportunity to check out Carlton or Palavrion, I'd like to know.

Palavrion is a huge sausage fest full of suited up, young bankers. I'm sure you can get some numbers there, but it's definitely harder than at other venues since chicks are less approachable when there's 70-80% men and they're getting eye-fucked all night long from them.

Haven't been there for 2 years though, but from what I hear it hasn't changed.

Post: #32

This is more a request for comments than a recommendation: My new Nigerian lady dragged me to "Le Petit Prince", a bar club of questionable reputation. It was chock full of Russians. The ratio was bad as usual but these Russian ladies were fine, and some of them very tall. Has some intrepid player tried their luck there and can report?

Post: #33

Do we have any updates on Zurich?
Do we have any RVF members at the moment in Zurich on the ground?

Post: #34

Been in the airport and it was a surreal feeling, people (women) were very friendly as I suspect they thought I had money.
Things were very expensive, $25 for a croissant and espresso.
Doesn't seem like a place for players but people tend to like living there.

Post: #35

I know some people that have lived in Zurich. One being my ex girlfriend of a year and a half. The general consensus is that it's a good place to live in you want a comfortable, but boring lifestyle. All three of the people that I have really known that lived there all concluded it was boring. But minimum wage is $3500 a month and most places are paying at least $4000. No one really has it hard in Switzerland. My girl had quit her job and was collecting unemployment, still collecting $3000 a month. The other two people I knew were guys. One I didn't really talk to about it but the other said the girls were pretty high quality, though tough to get one, but he was also Hungarian and weird as fuck so that was probably a big part of his problem. I've also heard how being American there can be a huge plus. It sounds like a good place to go to save some money and not have to worry about crime. Doesn't seem like a place id like to live. My girl always complained about how it was boring and the [swiss] people were even more boring. I've met a lot of Swiss just in passing at my hotel, and 90% of them seemed boring as hell. I only saw one really good looking Swiss girl (besides my girl, but she was Turkish anyways), and the girl was an absolute smoke show. Top 2 percentile, but I think even though she grew up in Switzerland, she had Italian heritage. Every other Swiss girl I met was average at best. Many of the Swiss that would visit were older however. It also seems to be a huge melting pot. Almost all my girls friends were from somewhere else.

Post: #36

InternationalPlayboy pretty much nailed it.

But like rudebwoy mentioned, the cost of living is quite high. With a wage of $3500 you won't have anything left at the end of the month and you'd be considered poor.

I'm in Zurich for approx. 2-3 more weeks before I escape the cold winter, if somebody wants to meet up.

Post: #37

Still, even with the minimum pay people seemed to live pretty good. My girlfriends close friend was making minimum pay and was able to take at least a month and a half off to travel to cuba, Mexico, and the US. My girls rent wasn't even that bad. She paid $1000 a month, which is pretty common in any first tier American city. I'm sure on 3500 you'd be considered poor there, but in comparison to the rest of the world, you're probably living pretty well. I remember my girl talking about some people who did a home invasion on her friend and how it was crazy because there's no reason to do it in Switzerland, since anyone could get a job anywhere and it would be plenty for a comfortable living.

Another thing is that you pay a lot for stuff, but quality seems to be good. For example, maybe you're paying $10 for a chicken breast, but from what I understand, they don't allow GMOs, so it's probably organic or natural, which you'd be paying about that price in the US too.

Post: #38

There are some people who like Swiss girls, but I personally find them toxic for the most part. But there is quite a difference between the "hardcore" Swiss girls and the first generation Swiss. The latter can be quite nice. But the thing is, since no one really has to suffer and life is pretty easy in Switzerland, girls can be pretty bitchy - just spoiled kids who couldn't survive anywhere else in the world. I worked at an office where there was a girl who had this "hobby" of flying to a new European city every weekend for a weekend trip. The wage at that place wasn't that great, so that was def not her own money she was spending. There are A LOT of girls like that in Switzerland.

Post: #39

I hear the flights out of Switzerland are quite a bit more expensive than other places. You don't get good deals like on Ryanair because they know people in Switzerland have the loot to spend.

Post: #40

I think the average wage in Zurich itself is approx. $6600 while in the rest of the country it's a bit lower.
But this figure is a bit inflated from the employees in the financial sector. People without education usually don't earn that much.

You definitely won't find an apartment for $1000 in the city, that's why many people share a flat.

IP, once again you're spot on. Swiss people are willing to pay more for quality and the overall quality of many things from food to services is superior to other countries.
But the German "Geiz ist geil" (translated: Stinginess is cool) mentality is slowly taking over here as well, as the examples of German discounters such as Aldi and Lidl expanding into Switzerland are proofing.

True, flights from Zurich are very expensive. Flying from Basel is the cheaper alternative, but the circumstances to get there etc. don't make up for it.

Post: #41

I allow myself to reuse this old thread for avoiding to start another thread for Zurich, so that we keep at least the few bites of information on Zurich in one place.

I have a weekend of clubbing behind me which was not accompanied by much success.

At the beginning of the night I hit up with a friend at Nachtflug in Niederdörfli. I enjoy the place for drinks, however I would not recommend it for meeting girls. People go here for catching up and some after works drink, not really for meeting new people. A few Old Fashions set us back 50 CHFr.

Around elven we headed over to the Club Bellevue. What a waste of money (entry 30 CHFr), the bouncer made first a show that we were not on the guest list, however the club was totally empty. There were 3 Thai woman around 40, and a few guys which felt so good that they got a Lounge in an empty club.

We decided to head over to Jade (entry 25 CHFr). The club was crowded as hell. What I normally like about the club is the outside patio, great for having a smoke and approaching a girl. This works usually quite well in autumn or early Winter, however this time, the patio was so crowded and the ratio so unfavorable, it didn't go anywhere. The club is mostly for being seen and see some pretty girls. People hardly dance and the drinks are the usually club mix.

I started Saturday with a decent dinner at Les Halles in Kreis 5. Good place for meeting friends and enjoying a casual dinner. Moved to 4 Akt, however the place was totally empty. I was quite surprised about that, its normally quite full on the weekend. Final destination for the night was Hive, close to Hardbrücke. The club is for the older crowd, around 25 and up. The good thing about the club is the music, quite like it and the DJ selection is usually quite decent. However the ratio have never been good when I was here.

Quite an expensive weekend for me without much action regarding to girls.

What is your experience lately in Zurich? Which clubs & bars are your favorites?

Post: #42

I tried Thun...not exactly a good palce for girls. My swiss friend was told to stop looking in the eyes of a girl...is a girl gives you back eye contact is it good sign (if you look a girl in the eyes) or she will just be like ''who the hell is this guy and how dare he looks at me?''

Post: #43

(08-06-2011 02:34 PM)mangadooza Wrote:  Gentlemen, what's to know about this place besides the absurd cost of living? I'm spending a few weeks there soon, and I'd appreciate both general information about the women and specifics on quality venues.

My own data sheet will, of course, promptly follow.

Cheers

I was there recently albeit only for a handful of days. Both myself and a friend I was travelling with found one thing which appeared to be [almost] universal amongst swiss girls.

Each time we went out, the kiss was the hardest thing to get. As an example - My mate had been dancing and flirting with one girl for an entire night he had been denied a kiss on numerous occasions. Finally at the end of the night she asks him "Have you got any condoms". He didn't get the kiss until they were in the cab. An identical scenario happened with him [And a Swiss girl] in Prague.

I found a similar scenario. The girls are very friendly, nobody will hesitate to talk to you but to get that kiss is hard.

I guess the take home message [In my experience] with Swiss girls is that if the signs are there don't be discouraged by slow escalation. If we were purely looking to bang we would have left [And never discovered this].

Post: #44

You can't have your cake and eat it too.... Zurich is great for career/money but does not compare anything to the stories you here about lifestyle in Poznan, Warsaw, or EE as far as women are concerned.

Post: #45

hey

umm I didn`t stay in Switzerland, but i have met 7 swiss(6 girls and one guy) in my country, 3 were tourists and 3 exchange students,my idea is that at the beginning they can be cold, but they can change fast,depending of your attitude. I also noticed that is true about the cool countries, these swiss told me that i look like a brazilian,a super big advantage, i can speak portuguese,dance a little of samba and well I banged two of the swiss without problems,then i banged 2 more, with effort and game.

They described me their country as wealthy,comfortable, but so so boring at the same time. People don`t talk with strangers, some act cold, everything is a perefect routine. I would like to go and see how is the real Switzerland? Honestly my expectations are so high, maybe i will be dissapointed, but WHO KNOWS? maybe things can be as good as i think. By the way, THe 6 Swiss were so beautiful, about the man. He used to be cold, now He is dancing and enjoying time with his latin wife. He met a peruvian girl(my friend) felt in love soon and now they have a baby.

Post: #46

(04-01-2016 03:42 PM)Drix Wrote:  hey

umm I didn`t stay in Switzerland, but i have met 7 swiss(6 girls and one guy) in my country, 3 were tourists and 3 exchange students,my idea is that at the beginning they can be cold, but they can change fast,depending of your attitude. I also noticed that is true about the cool countries, these swiss told me that i look like a brazilian,a super big advantage, i can speak portuguese,dance a little of samba and well I banged two of the swiss without problems,then i banged 2 more, with effort and game.

They described me their country as wealthy,comfortable, but so so boring at the same time. People don`t talk with strangers, some act cold, everything is a perefect routine. I would like to go and see how is the real Switzerland? Honestly my expectations are so high, maybe i will be dissapointed, but WHO KNOWS? maybe things can be as good as i think. By the way, THe 6 Swiss were so beautiful, about the man. He used to be cold, now He is dancing and enjoying time with his latin wife. He met a peruvian girl(my friend) felt in love soon and now they have a baby.

No comparison. Once a Swiss girl leaves the country for travel or whatever in many cases she becomes a huge slut. At least for the time she's abroad. I guess it has a lot to do with the fact that they can't "find themselves" in Switzerland so they have to use the chance when they're in an other continent.

I can tell you tons of stories of seemingly prude Swiss gals being DPed and gangbanged abroad but hey, let's keep it short: if you want to visit Switzerland (or Zurich in particular) merely because of the ladies then just don't. They're okay looking, with a hottie here and there but there's not much more to it. They're rather hard to bang and usually very bland. Plus the trip would burn a huge hole into your wallet.

Post: #47

I'm frequently in various cities in Switzerland for business and share my experiences.

Prices are through the roof
Zurich is the most expensive city in the world.
Source: http://www.euronews.com/2015/09/18/zuric...ve-cities/

The men are pathetic betas
It’s not advisable to start a conversation about masculinity, game or adventure travel. Don’t talk about those topics with women, and certainly not with men. I have repeatedly been player-shamed or labelled a whoremonger tourist when I talked about the greener pastures abroad.

It's very difficult to make friends
Source: http://www.timeout.com/switzerland/blog/...ife-111115

Quote:A survey by banking giant HSBC claims that expats living in Switzerland have the worst social life out of the 39 global destinations for overseas workers.
(...)
One reason for the considerable drop in ranking has been put to the difficulties expat face integrating with locals and make friends, even though they enjoy high economic benefits and a safe environment to raise a family.
(...)
Despite scoring highly in the criteria of quality of life, safety and health, the country fared badly when it came to making friends, scraping into 38th place, one from bottom.

It also ranked poorly in integration (35th) and culture (34th).

“Only 35 percent have found it easy to form friendships in the country and 43 percent have found it easy to integrate with the local people and culture (compared with 61 percent of expats globally),” said the report.

There are some depressing testimonials in the comments section of that article. Some people live in Switzerland for 20 years and have no (local) friends.

It's not easy to pull
I had one of the fastest lays in my life in Switzerland, but that was definitely an exception. The average Swiss woman is a hard nut to crack. Foreign women living here are a bit easier.
Sexual performance of girls here is weak too.

The women are annoying bitches
It has been said again and again. The girls are a nutjob. Sirob's analysis is spot on:

(03-23-2012 08:12 AM)Sirob Wrote:  (...)
The local girls attitude: They are just completely blanked to the prospect of dating anyone outside their culture (exceptions of course for cool Anglo and Latino countries, but even here, the chances are more for a ONS than a relationship). Add in the fact that they are control freaks and have the personality of a blob, and its not hard to see why gaming here feels more like a chore in hell than a pleasant stroll in the park as in Poland or Estonia.

Most of my approaches ended with an instant, rude blowout. Even indirect approaches such as asking for a lighter in a smokers lounge usually led to an awkward situation. It's just not worth it.

The local guys I got to know are dating leftover single moms, landwhales or women older than them (if they're even dating).
On the plus side, if you succeed here, you’ll succeed basically everywhere on this planet.

The Romandie offers more value
For more quantity, an increase in quality and better attitude of girls you have to leave the country or you go west. While it's still not at all a poosy paradise, the girls in the French spoken part of Switzerland are definitely an upgrade.

I stay until July 2016 in Switzerland. PM me if you’re interested in meeting a fellow thought criminal.

Post: #48

(04-30-2016 04:37 AM)Selembao Wrote:  I'm frequently in various cities in Switzerland for business and share my experiences.

Prices are through the roof
Zurich is the most expensive city in the world.
Source: http://www.euronews.com/2015/09/18/zuric...ve-cities/

The men are pathetic betas
It’s not advisable to start a conversation about masculinity, game or adventure travel. Don’t talk about those topics with women, and certainly not with men. I have repeatedly been player-shamed or labelled a whoremonger tourist when I talked about the greener pastures abroad.

It's very difficult to make friends
Source: http://www.timeout.com/switzerland/blog/...ife-111115

Quote:A survey by banking giant HSBC claims that expats living in Switzerland have the worst social life out of the 39 global destinations for overseas workers.
(...)
One reason for the considerable drop in ranking has been put to the difficulties expat face integrating with locals and make friends, even though they enjoy high economic benefits and a safe environment to raise a family.
(...)
Despite scoring highly in the criteria of quality of life, safety and health, the country fared badly when it came to making friends, scraping into 38th place, one from bottom.

It also ranked poorly in integration (35th) and culture (34th).

“Only 35 percent have found it easy to form friendships in the country and 43 percent have found it easy to integrate with the local people and culture (compared with 61 percent of expats globally),” said the report.

There are some depressing testimonials in the comments section of that article. Some people live in Switzerland for 20 years and have no (local) friends.

It's not easy to pull
I had one of the fastest lays in my life in Switzerland, but that was definitely an exception. The average Swiss woman is a hard nut to crack. Foreign women living here are a bit easier.
Sexual performance of girls here is weak too.

The women are annoying bitches
It has been said again and again. The girls are a nutjob. Sirob's analysis is spot on:

(03-23-2012 08:12 AM)Sirob Wrote:  (...)
The local girls attitude: They are just completely blanked to the prospect of dating anyone outside their culture (exceptions of course for cool Anglo and Latino countries, but even here, the chances are more for a ONS than a relationship). Add in the fact that they are control freaks and have the personality of a blob, and its not hard to see why gaming here feels more like a chore in hell than a pleasant stroll in the park as in Poland or Estonia.

Most of my approaches ended with an instant, rude blowout. Even indirect approaches such as asking for a lighter in a smokers lounge usually led to an awkward situation. It's just not worth it.

The local guys I got to know are dating leftover single moms, landwhales or women older than them (if they're even dating).
On the plus side, if you succeed here, you’ll succeed basically everywhere on this planet.

The Romandie offers more value
For more quantity, an increase in quality and better attitude of girls you have to leave the country or you go west. While it's still not at all a poosy paradise, the girls in the French spoken part of Switzerland are definitely an upgrade.

I stay until July 2016 in Switzerland. PM me if you’re interested in meeting a fellow thought criminal.

I love the girls from the french part of switzerland man and they love me too so its a +. They love quebecers overt there.

Post: #49

^^ Yeah, the french part of Switzerland is a major upgrade to the german part. It's like day and night.

Post: #50

Good there is some info here. I read it a few times and always wanted to contribute, but never managed to write it up. First, I want to point the most important aspect of game (in general): high value women don't fuck low value men. If you see guys complaning about Zurich (even though it's a terrible city for men), then you know what's their problem. Having said that, here is my contribution to this thread.


About me:
I'm one of guys that fucks a ''lot'' – that means 10+ girls/year of decent quality. All of the girls I fuck come through ''cold approaching'' in clubs - girls literary don't know I exist before I talk to them. None of the girls I meet come from friends, work, gym...for practical purposes I can say that I don't have a social circle in Zürich. I don't throw money at girls. Due to work I can only go out in the evening, though I tried of bit of street pick-up with very promising results, but I abandoned it now due to time restrictions and being unable to find a wing.

I'm a 30+ year old expat of average height and (probably) unremarkable looks, I was told many times that I have an amazing body, though girls always tell me that after I fuck them. I regularly go to the gym though I'm by no means big. Girls never look at me – this is more related to Zürich girl's mentality. To test my looks a bit further, I tried out Tinder and couldn't get a match - it's really ridiculous. I wouldn't say that I'm ugly, but the best way to describe it, is that the girls in Zürich don't like my ''look''. If I set Tinder to any other city/country on the planet, I get few matches with hot girls. So, I put myself in average looking category.

I talk to girls only in English and I don't even bother speaking in Swiss/or German - I don't see it hurting me one bit. In fact, I would recommend even to Swiss guys to speak in English. I never spend money on girls in clubs, it's totally unnecessary, they don't care if you buy them a drink or not. In fact, many times I force the girls to pay for me, and they don't mind that as well. In case I meet girls on dates, I take them to the cheapest places and biggest shitholes in Zürich. Again, totally fine with them.

Girls in Zürich:
There's not much to say about them. As mentioned in post before, you can find a hot girl here and there, but nowhere near the quality in Balkans and EE. Average girl in Zürich is ugly. A lot of girls in younger generation are fat. Girls have zero flirting capabilities and don't understand humor. In experience, native Swiss girls are absolute worst, closely followed by Italian girls. My favorite are Serbian girls <3. I also very much like EE girls, but I can't seem to find them often in Zürich. There is a shortage of hot girls in Zürich, CH government should seriously considering opening borders to Balkans and EE
to start importing young hot girls en masse.

It would be tempting to target foreign girls thinking they will be easier – that's a myth! Young, hot foreign girl will be better ''plugged-in'' the social circles just in a few months, than me after all the work in couple of years. Swiss guys will offer these girls tables in clubs, trips, dinners, rides in Lambo, parties in Cannes etc. I advise not to do anything with expat community, these girls will be low quality and not worth the trouble.

There is no Erasmus program in Zürich, so no foreign party girls ''studying''. Also, Zürich is super expensive so young girls have no money to go out – if you find a young girl in a posh club, she's either paid to be there (Alice Choo and Jade are worst offenders when it comes to that) or her family is loaded with money - you're probably hitting on girls from richest families on the planet. Finally, Zürich is super boring, hence no young hot girl moves here to ''enjoy life'', ''have fun'' and ''gain new experience''. They all go to London, NYC, Paris etc. It really sucks here in Zürich.

Guys in Zürich:
My impression is that overall guys are nice, friendly, tall, good-looking, with money. Having said that, guys have zero game. There's not much more to say. They don't hit on girls, and on those rare occasions when you see someone hooking up in club, the guy is usually tall, super good-looking, muscular, while the girl is 2-3 points bellow him in looks (but if a guy is a 10, while girls is an 8 it's not really so bad). Yes, that's the level of ''game'' here. From what I have seen, there are maybe just a few guys in the whole city who are banging young, hot girls, using only game.

What to expect if you have super tight game like me:
The average age of girls I fuck is around 23 (FYI I'm average looking/height 30+yo guy), youngest was 19, oldest 34. It's quite a diverse group of girls; I fucked ''good'' Swiss girls, super rich girls, drug addicts, bankers, nurses, students, artists...Ironically, most of the girls I fuck are Swiss (around 40%), rest is Central Europe, EE and Balkan. I would like to have Latin girls, but they really seem to hate me, just like Swiss girls - hah!

My game highlights include; fucking 3 girls in 10 days, hooking up after 3 minutes of retarted conversation (with a Swiss girl!), running a rotation of 4 girls, fucking girls that I'm ''friends'' with their boyfriend etc. Some of the stories I have are quite spectacular. I am open about my lifestyle, and if they ask I tell them I have other girls – they seem to accept it easily, but I don't rub their nose in it.

If you hook up with 10 girls, you can expect 0-1 girls to be 9's (most likely it'll be zero), 2-3 8's and rest will be 7s and 6s – this is all assuming you're keeping your standards. When you start targeting 8s, the difficulty will go up exponentially – you are literary hitting on the hottest girls in clubs/bars, offering them nothing but your cock. Maybe it's easier if you throw money at them. Girls can be very very bitchy, but I'm totally used to it now and it doesn't bother me one bit. I noticed that in last 6 months I rarely get a bad reaction – not sure if it's because of my super tight game, or girls are just afraid of me since I'm walking around like the biggest motherfucker on the planet.

I confirm that hooking up in Zürich is most difficult on the planet, probably only matched by Iran and North Korea. Quite a few ''players'' I know came to Zürich expecting good results and got burned badly in the process. Guys in London, NYC, Barcelona, Prague etc. don't know how easy they have it. But if you get trained here, you'll have super tight game. If you can kill it here, there's literary nothing stopping you from taking over the whole planet. Hooking up in Geneva will seem like a joke – basically playing on easy mode. Difficulty in Zürich comes from mismatch in value between men (tall, good-looking, money) and women (shit looks).

Where to go:
I wish I could advise something useful here, but there really isn't a niche place where it's easy to hook-up with young hot girls. Checking my stats, I really hooked-up everywhere; posh place, alternative shitholes, day parties, bars. Either my game is so good it works everywhere (most likely) or there just isn't a pussy paradise. So that leads me to following...

Where not to go:
Vior (except Sunday Breakfast) – full of trashy young girls, really the scum of Zurich. Avoid especially on Friday.
Gonzo – biggest shithole on the planet. Allegedly it is a ''hook-up'' place, but I found it to be full of low quality shit girls, and the place is just a disaster. Totally avoid.
Hive – that's how imagine hell looks like, I'm sure you can see the Devil there if you pay attention. That place is full of drugged up idiots. Even though I hooked up there, it's very very hard because girls there care a lot if you're part of the ''group'' - you have to be a tattooed, loser, drug addict to spark some attention with girls. Avoid.
Jade – full of Albanians. Avoid.
Langstrasse – just avoid all bars/clubs there. All shit places, full of shit people.


How to game in Zürich:
There are three versions of game according to guys in Zürich: game that doesn't work (done by 99% of guys), good-looking guy game and my game (i.e. super-star player game). So, I break it down fast;

Game that doesn't work - the story goes that Zürich girls are super weird (totally true), so you have to be indirect, polite, lame, nice. You can't look at girls in the eyes, you shouldn't stare at their body, make sexual remarks, or do anything that would disturb their delicate reality. All of this is bullshit. If you do that, I hope you enjoy jerking off because you will never fuck young hot girls.

Good-looking guy game - stand around in the club looking good and wait till girls look at you. You ignore these looks, and then wait for some more. Girls look at you some more, but you ignore them again. At some point during the night, the girl will come over to you, or on a rare occasion you go to a girl, and you hook up. I shit you not – this is basically what good-looking guys will suggest. I don't have to emphasis that girl will always(!) be uglier than the guy.

Super-star player game (i.e. my game) – walk over confidently to a girl you like, and deliver a direct compliment. Don't say generic shit. Look her directly in the eyes and say what exactly you like about her. Don't use humor or suggestive wording – Zürich girls will not understand it. Don't be indirect – girls will not get that you want to fuck her. You will then continue talking, but putting emphasis on her, slowly revealing some details about yourself. If the girl is interested in you, she will ask generic boring questions (''Where are you from? What's your name?” etc). With this you have blown out 99.9% of guys in Zürich, but it alone will not get you laid. You need to escalate things physically; put your hand on her hips, touch her hair, take her hand and hold it for a long time, kiss her lips, kiss her neck. Stare at her body. Tell her you find her attractive. Stand very close to her. The goal is to be extremely sexual, but at all time polite and composed – you're not a horny teenager who doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Take her hand and put it on your cock. If she's accepting it very well, you need to take a leap of faith and tell her that you will fuck her tonight. Be very direct and explicit about it. Tell her how you will fuck her - make her horny. You would be surprise how fast you can move things. Take short breaks not to ''overheat'' her. It's totally fine to leave her, and then come back later. Don't use jealousy plots (unless she lived in London or NYC hahahhahha), girls here totally take it the wrong way. If the girl tells you she can't leave with you the same night, you need to dial things down immediately. The harder and faster you escalate, the more likely it is she will not meet you again, in case you don't close the same night. It's OK to take numbers, but I suggest that is not your primary goal – always go for a fuck. Girls do not mind if you are sexually direct, contrary to what every other guy will tell you...

So, there you go, with this you can expect to fuck quite a few hot girls. Of course, ill-coordinated fools with no sexual experience should expect to fail right when they walk over to the girl. Don't say I didn't warn you.