(09-26-2016 11:08 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  Donald Trump JR on Hannity is a way, way better speaker than his dad.

He is an amazing speaker. All 3 of the older kids would steal Americas heart. Donald raised them well.

Kosko, yea you just jogged my memory as to possibly my favorite thing he said which was something to the affect:"the failing economic policy of this nation, $20+ Trillon in debt is cause for the need of a good business man in office for a long time now, and I'm the guy to fix that." << Just that premise alone accounts for easily 33%-66% of Trump's "real" value here.

Newt on Hannity, saying this is a historic victory for Mr. Trump because he didn't smash her the way some of us wish he did. Says the democrats completely failed to show Mr. Trump as unqualified or too intemperate for the office, which is a big deal, considering it's their main argument against him.

(09-26-2016 11:07 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 11:03 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  ...
he was getting lambasted for every little quip of seeming arrogance and disregard, then he tamed it down, put in way more road work than Hillary (the good old fashioned way any good business man knows to resort to), and now going into the debates he was polling quite well.

Road work? Like actually having a job in government for years so you have some familiarity with the work?

I think Hillary's a total bitch, but she's half sane, which seems the best on offer .

Half sane?

(09-26-2016 11:07 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 11:03 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  ...
he was getting lambasted for every little quip of seeming arrogance and disregard, then he tamed it down, put in way more road work than Hillary (the good old fashioned way any good business man knows to resort to), and now going into the debates he was polling quite well.

Road work? Like actually having a job in government for years so you have some familiarity with the work?

I think Hillary's a total bitch, but she's half sane, which seems the best on offer .

Yea, trump had many speaking rallies, many more than Hillary, and they're working for him. Like door-to-door sales, in your face, instead of spamming inboxes.

(09-26-2016 11:13 PM)weambulance Wrote:  Newt on Hannity, saying this is a historic victory for Mr. Trump because he didn't smash her the way some of us wish he did. Says the democrats completely failed to show Mr. Trump as unqualified or too intemperate for the office, which is a big deal, considering it's their main argument against him.

Exactly. There are two debates left. The democrats have blown their wad again. They have spent millions on ads. Hasn't worked. Polls level. Now they have used up all their material in the first debate with two to go.

The RVF is harder on Trump than the left. Trump has without a doubt had a huge victory here. With so many cards left in his pocket, he's well on track to +300 in the electoral map.

(09-26-2016 10:12 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:03 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 09:58 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 09:53 PM)weambulance Wrote:  However, let met ask you a simple question: what do you think the libertarians will actually accomplish when they have, what, one or two people in congress and can't even pull 10% in a presidential election?

Keep wasting your votes and complaining, I'm sure that will do a lot of good.

How have I wasted my vote? If I vote for the person I want to be the leader of my nation, have I wasted it?

Let me guess... you always vote for the lesser of two evils. And the lesser of those two evils is always the source of the mess we have now. $19 trillion in debt. Two never ending wars. Massive unemployment with factories leaving the US every day to set up overseas because the USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the world. The highest incarceration rate by multiple values of any country in the world.

Yep, I'm wasting my vote on someone who might change that instead of the lesser of two corrupt parties.

How about you stop wasting your vote?

Is Gary Johnson supposed to sweep America to a new golden age with his policies? He's ignorant as fuck and quite dopey on top of that.

You're starting to sound like the standard naked fat libertarian running around on stage. Come back with a candidate who doesn't absolutely suck balls and we'll talk change and reform.

The man cut taxes 18 times and still left New Mexico with a billion dollar surplus at the end of his term. You may not like libertarian policies, but they work.

And I'm not fat. Why do you think libertarians are fat? Republicans and democrats are fat because of all those delicious FOOD STAMPS they love for me to buy them. Libertarians go see the world and do exciting stuff. And we tend to drink a lot because we're the only ones who are intelligent enough to understand how much the rest of you are effing up the world.

Are you intelligent enough to know the kind of damage the TPP and open borders will do to the US?

Cruz going all in for Trump

This sure is interesting.

2016 is the year that everyone realized how stupid libertarianism is.

Imagine if Gary Johnson actually did win somehow. The libertarian party would stay in power for exactly one term.

1.) Libertarians open borders.
2.) The US is flooded with foreigners who believe in high taxes and big government.
3.) The libertarians are voted out of power and remain a disgruntled minority until the end of time.


Like most posters on this board, I think I flirted with libertarianism for a time, but in 2016 it's so obvious at this point that they're useful idiots for the powers that be that I have zero respect for anyone calling himself a libertarian.
You're all manipulated patsies.

Trump killed it when he spoke about violence in the inner cities, he blew Clintons good, but rehearsed answer out of the water. The only problem was bringing up stop and frisk. That is not what black people want to hear.

Newt Gingrich seems like the only pro-American politician out there right now other than Trump.

Every other dem and rino are on the same side.

I'm just waiting on The Lizard of Oz and Samseau to give their opinion on this debate's performance.

For what it's worth, I was talking to the literally only enthusiastic Hillary supporter I know (enthusiastic as in she's actually voting for Hillary because she wants her to be president and not just because she isn't Trump) and she thought Clinton didn't perform well either.

Kosko, my point was that he was rough, gritty and unpolished.

While we can sit here and post analyze every second, what mattered most, and what will get his base to come out is that
unlike romney or mcain or even bush, he was willing to get rough (but not too rough).

Every other candidate in (my memory, bob dole!) would have pushed out their canned lines out their mouth and let the moderator moderate.

All the people that wanted the tea party to succeed, all the people that heard about jobs americans wont do, all the immigrants who hear about illigals and multicultiralism, and the rest who have been pushed over.

Well, they heard what they needed too.

Maybe RVF wants him to literally walk over there and pummel her into the ground, but realistically.

This is as tough as he needed to be.


Tomorrow should be a good day!

ETA
I started reading ole' Cerno in his crime and federalism days, when he was a poster here. Pointed a couple of people to his twitter.

(09-26-2016 11:24 PM)Wutang Wrote:  For what it's worth, I was talking to the literally only enthusiastic Hillary supporter I know (enthusiastic as in she's actually voting for Hillary because she wants her to be president and not just because she isn't Trump) and she thought Clinton didn't perform well either.

Yeah, once the dust has settled, can't see this debate changing peoples bias or apathy to any significant level.

(09-26-2016 11:19 PM)Dismal Operator Wrote:  

Cruz going all in for Trump

Libertarians are commenting that Trump is here to take away our guns, because he said something about people who didn't have guns.

I think a lot of his sentences tonight were not completed. He got too excited and skipped articles or prepositions, thus changing the communicated meaning of his words.

(09-26-2016 11:21 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  2016 is the year that everyone realized how stupid libertarianism is.

Imagine if Gary Johnson actually did win somehow. The libertarian party would stay in power for exactly one term.

1.) Libertarians open borders.
2.) The US is flooded with foreigners who believe in high taxes and big government.
3.) The libertarians are voted out of power and remain a disgruntled minority until the end of time.


Like most posters on this board, I think I flirted with libertarianism for a time, but in 2016 it's so obvious at this point that they're useful idiots for the powers that be that I have zero respect for anyone calling himself a libertarian.
You're all manipulated patsies.

(09-26-2016 11:23 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  Trump killed it when he spoke about violence in the inner cities, he blew Clintons good, but rehearsed answer out of the water. The only problem was bringing up stop and frisk. That is not what black people want to hear.

That isn't what any American should want to hear...

4th Amendment

Quote:The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

(09-26-2016 11:21 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  2016 is the year that everyone realized how stupid libertarianism is.

Imagine if Gary Johnson actually did win somehow. The libertarian party would stay in power for exactly one term.

1.) Libertarians open borders.
2.) The US is flooded with foreigners who believe in high taxes and big government.
3.) The libertarians are voted out of power and remain a disgruntled minority until the end of time.


Like most posters on this board, I think I flirted with libertarianism for a time, but in 2016 it's so obvious at this point that they're useful idiots for the powers that be that I have zero respect for anyone calling himself a libertarian.
You're all manipulated patsies.

I agreed to leave because my libertarian beliefs aren't wanted here. But I find it odd that you guys find it ok to keep disparaging libertarian ideology after I'm gone to the point of name calling, yet you don't want to hear our ideas. And, BTW, the libertarian philosophy is the same as what the Republicans always claim they stand for, yet never do. We ACTUALLY want smaller government, no federal handouts or foreign aid, no unnecessary wars, less taxes, and less government waste, yet you guys hate us? I don't get it.

And I don't want open borders. But we've had open borders under Clinton, Bush and Obama. So I don't know how Gary would make it worse.

I suspect something, whatever drug they give her for the debate is something they can't give her very often, she will disappear for days now, that drug must be strong and they wont give her to her for rallies, rallies are more often than debates, her body can't handle it.

Do not espect to see her until maybe next week. After tday she will be on bed loooooong time.

^^^ Gary is not a libertarian. He is a republican that could not hang with the big boys.

Choose a serious and decent man as a candidate and you will be taken more serious.

(09-26-2016 11:25 PM)ms224 Wrote:  Kosko, my point was that he was rough, gritty and unpolished.

While we can sit here and post analyze every second, what mattered most, and what will get his base to come out is that
unlike romney or mcain or even bush, he was willing to get rough (but not too rough).

Every other candidate in (my memory, bob dole!) would have pushed out their canned lines out their mouth and let the moderator moderate.

All the people that wanted the tea party to succeed, all the people that heard about jobs americans wont do, all the immigrants who hear about illigals and multicultiralism, and the rest who have been pushed over.

Well, they heard what they needed too.

Maybe RVF wants him to literally walk over there and pummel her into the ground, but realistically.

This is as tough as he needed to be.


Tomorrow should be a good day!

ETA
I started reading ole' Cerno in his crime and federalism days, when he was a poster here. Pointed a couple of people to his twitter.

I was rattled by Trump looking and sounding off his game as well.

Now that I think about it maybe it helps him?

Maybe because he ISN'T a politician he really can never just sound like a snake oil salesmen like the rest of them. Maybe that is why I was so rattled. I am so used to "Presidential Debates" where you get points on being systematic and being a robot. Trump tonight was not even close as bad to Obama disaster debate last time around and Obama ended up bouncing back from that debacle.

If people and HRC want to continue this meme of Trump and "temperament" he can just go after them like this:

(09-26-2016 11:25 PM)Mr. Trump Wrote:  "Hey, I have never been a politician.

It is hard to for me to act like a robot like your HRC. I care about our country and I am sorry if I am not acting like a typical polished politician up here.

How I debate you isn't what is important, our country and fixing its issues is what is important. For years now all the broken leadership in D.C. just likes to smile at the right times, and say the right things when needed. A plant close down leaving thousands out of work and Obama just smiles and acts like everything is okay.

How about we just stop the acting and just get down to leadership and real actions in doing the right things for our Country. To much talk on gestures and not enough on Action. What will you do HRC? What will you do for America other then try to pretend to act like you will change a thing?

I will lead as President and I have no time or do not care how you feel or think about how it "looks" to you and the rest of your establishment friends.

And... of course... I can bet you the majority of American's feel the same way. This movement is about changing how D.C. has done nothing, has had no action in acting in the best interests of Americans from corner to corner"

All Trump needs is kill shots like those. If he is never going to learn hard data points then he needs jugular shots that HRC can't prepare for.

What she going to mock him and call him crazy after a line like that? Typical replies won't work. That is a kill shot.

(09-26-2016 11:13 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 11:07 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 11:03 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  ...
he was getting lambasted for every little quip of seeming arrogance and disregard, then he tamed it down, put in way more road work than Hillary (the good old fashioned way any good business man knows to resort to), and now going into the debates he was polling quite well.

Road work? Like actually having a job in government for years so you have some familiarity with the work?

I think Hillary's a total bitch, but she's half sane, which seems the best on offer .

Half sane?

I don't like having to say it, but Hillary was formidable tonight, and there was at least some warning. She clearly beat the spread, but she parlayed the first lady role into Senator and Secretary of State, and has some native ability behind it all.

I pray that God will strike her down, but she is a contender

I think the uninformed voter watched tonight and thought she held up good, but she's still known to be sick, and Trump is legit, and he's the better bet for our future.

I think he could have done better, but I think time will tell that Trump came out well from this debate.

(09-26-2016 11:40 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  ^^^ Gary is not a libertarian. He is a republican that could not hang with the big boys.

Choose a serious and decent man as a candidate and you will be taken more serious.

I find this very ironic and humorous in a Trump and Hillary thread.