(09-26-2016 10:38 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  Ok now this hands down is the best Hillbot troll of the night. Even uses the terms "game" and "alpha". Strong work man, tell us more!

Then ignore the first two sentences and read the rest. I personally think Hillary's machiavellian and corrupt as shit and a bit of a neo-imperialist whose really fucked up the middle east and has done everything in her power to try to force neoliberalism on the world. I'm from a Chinese-American background and I'm legitimately afraid that she's going to try to spark war against China.

I'm just saying that if you ignore politics and look at the debate purely from the viewpoint of power dynamics, it was pretty clear that Trump was in Hillary's frame most of the time. Trump definitely seemed a bit unprepared and like Patriarch said not very used to the debate environment for which Hillary's spent shittons of money on coaching and advisors for years.

"I'm just saying that if you ignore politics and look at the debate purely from the viewpoint of power dynamics, it was pretty clear that Trump was in Hillary's frame most of the time."

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There's a 250 post limit for this forum, now get the fuck out, shill.

#OutOutOut. It's not just for national policy anymore, it works for forums, too!

Wish I could stay up and keep shitposting but I feel sicker than Dyin' Hill right now.

Don't let the Trump thread get all low-energy while I'm gone like after Iowa.

(09-26-2016 10:44 PM)Sextus Empiricus Wrote:  I'm just saying that if you ignore politics and look at the debate purely from the viewpoint of power dynamics, it was pretty clear that Trump was in Hillary's frame most of the time.

Yet he did withstand the 'birther' thing & the 'nasty to women' deal etc.

So what's next? Remind the public that his family's surname used to be Drumpf?
Oy vey...!

(09-26-2016 10:29 PM)Sextus Empiricus Wrote:  From a game standpoint, you have to give credit where credit is due; Clinton showed herself to be an alpha female in the line of Margaret Thatcher.


Outside of the single "I'll reveal my tax returns when you reveal you emails remark," Trump was in Hillary's frame the entire second half of the debate. Trump called her "Secretary" while she called Trump "Donald. She talked slowly and directly while Trump talked in circles quickly and defensively. When Trump tried to interrupt Hillary, she would keep on talking and ignore him.

When questioned about her emails, Hillary answered in two direct sentences, taking responsibility for her actions. Trump didn't respond or try to challenge her. When questioned about his taxes or the birther issue or his Iraq statement, Trump spent minute after minute waving his hands around angrily trying to defend himself. The moderator and Hillary seemed to take pleasure in baiting Trump about his failures so that he would emotionally try to defend himself, coming off as flustered or insecure.

The most embarassing part was when he answered the question about temperament by yelling at the moderator, while Hillary laughed smugly behind the other podium.

I agree that these were Trump's weakest moments, but his saving grace is that they're issues nobody gives a fuck about apart from political pundits. Trump's best moments, the bad experience line and grilling her on NAFTA and TPP, the line about D politicians getting black votes and going 'see you in 4 years!' cut a bit closer to more real issues Americans are facing. Clinton had no answers there.

He needs to clean up some of the rambling and erratic demeanor for sure, but as I said earlier I don't think this hurts him too much.

I distanced myself from the internet for the entirety of the debate, and I was very disappointed at first. After reading some of the posts on this thread, however, I realize that I'm simply let down because I expected Trump to completely destroy the witch and leave her on her death bed tonight. Now that I'm analyzing things from hindsight, I believe that the general audience will see that the mainstream media's image of Trump is a sham. We'll see if it plays out as such.

However, I think he dropped the ball when he went on that 'law and order' rant, it really felt like he was completely improvising at that point. Anyone agree?

I think they each got a few burns in on the other

*Kelso yells !burn!*


However, a typical low information voter will say that despite Hillary making some good points, Trump made better ones.

His points about the US making bad deals and needing someone who understands money? Those will go a long way.

When he was scrapping with Hillary, a lot of people could see that he'd do that with our adversaries, but Hillary would apologize to our adversaries, and save her venom for her domestic opponents, like Obama has done.

Trump clearly restrained himself. You can see what he's offering as president. Hillary brought her A game, but still, you could see she only offers more of the same.

(09-26-2016 10:17 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Those low count posters dropping their two cents is interesting in a way. They may be low information voters and/or reflect the undecided that no one really has a good read on. It is good to get an idea of how the average voter felt about your candidate so that he can go back and work on that for the next debate. Take it as constructive criticism or as an indicator that you are upsetting the right people you need to rankle (card carrying liberals).

This is very important. I think we are hyper analyzing this thing in our little echo chamber here. Im texting an old HS buddy of mine who lives in PA south of Philly. I would classify him as apolitical, slightly blue pill and a "closet" Trump supporter just trying to raise his family. We don't really discuss all the minutiae with her health and scandals and all that. His thoughts:

On Hillary:

1. Appearance - Hillary appeared stuttering and tired (even took a video of his TV!)
2. Demeanor - No confidence in her answers, sounded like a lying politician
3. Policy - He actually asked me "I thought NAFTA came after trickle down economics?"

On Trump:

1. Appearance - Energetic and confident
2. Demeanor - Thrilled someone shoveled shit back at Hillary for a change
3. Policy - Smart guy thinks out of the box

So it would seem that perhaps the average Joe/Jane is positive to very positive for the results of the debate. I think in typical Trump fashion he was doing a little A/B testing while Hillary used up all her ammo in the first round. He should stay on message, keep it short and highlight details of his plans and details of her failures not get drawn into stupid arguments re: taxes and birthers.

Edit: So if you have friends like this, ask them what they think.

Ha, Fox just showed a Hillary commercial, then the next commercial was on pneumonia.

"I distanced myself from the internet for the entirety of the debate, and I was very disappointed at first. After reading some of the posts on this thread, however, I realize that I'm simply let down because I expected Trump to completely destroy the witch and leave her on her death bed tonight. Now that I'm analyzing things from hindsight, I believe that the general audience will see that the mainstream media's image of Trump is a sham. We'll see if it plays out as such.

However, I think he dropped the ball when he went on that 'law and order' rant, it really felt like he was completely improvising at that point. Anyone agree?"

Get the fuck out.

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(09-26-2016 10:22 PM)weambulance Wrote:  I keep seeing this Mobile Strike (or whatever) game ad with Schwarzenegger building a wall to keep his enemies out. I saw it before the debate and after it on Fox.

Only thing missing from the real ad is Trump.

(09-26-2016 10:48 PM)Raul Wrote:  I distanced myself from the internet for the entirety of the debate, and I was very disappointed at first. After reading some of the posts on this thread, however, I realize that I'm simply let down because I expected Trump to completely destroy the witch and leave her on her death bed tonight. Now that I'm analyzing things from hindsight, I believe that the general audience will see that the mainstream media's image of Trump is a sham. We'll see if it plays out as such.

However, I think he dropped the ball when he went on that 'law and order' rant, it really felt like he was completely improvising at that point. Anyone agree?

Second post? We got a sleeper here.

(09-26-2016 10:42 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  This new reporter Margeret on infowars is hot

CNBC poll reduced from 58-42 Hillary to 52-48! Do your part if you haven't!

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/vote-who-...ebate.html

(09-26-2016 10:51 PM)Suits Wrote:  Important Reminder: members with fewer than 250 posts are not permitted to post about political topics or in political threads.

To ensure a well-functioning forum, it's best that new members contribute in other areas of The Forum until we have had a chance to get to know you a bit better first.

Sorry about that. I was trying to keep my post limited to game, but I should have paid more attention to the context of this thread and this subforum. I'll get more posts and more experience under my belt in the other forums.

(09-26-2016 10:51 PM)Suits Wrote:  Important Reminder: members with fewer than 250 posts are not permitted to post about political topics or in political threads.

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Come on man, don't be all rigid with the rules and shit man, I want to hear more from Sextus Bigdickus and some of these other 2 post trolls about Hillary the alpha male and her debate game. David Brock and George Soros sure hire the best and brightest don't they?

One low count poster having a pro-Hillary opinion is just that - 20 of them all deciding at the same time to make their first posts going ONLY pro-Hillary, now that is something that doesn't seem right.

(09-26-2016 10:54 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:42 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  This new reporter Margeret on infowars is hot

At least one of us has his eye on the ball

WB

Asia stocks, Mexico peso bounce as markets see Clinton as winner of debate

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global...SKCN11X012

I like to think back to Reagan's win when I consider what Trump could have done better during this debate. Reagan played the political side by letting the opponent ramble on, let the tension build up while they began to cut their own throat, and instead of constantly defending the minutiae of every little point in this hyper-social-media atmosphere and propaganda MSM, he'd drop about 2-3 lines that just wiped the slate clean and humiliated his opponent. Short, concise, and delivered like a witty master of game.

I think this might be part of Trump's strategy however.. you don't have to go in winning each battle, you just have to sway the tides of war in the last battle, which wins it all.
You'll notice in the MSM he was getting lambasted for every little quip of seeming arrogance and disregard, then he tamed it down, put in way more road work than Hillary (the good old fashioned way any good business man knows to resort to), and now going into the debates he was polling quite well.

I anticipate a drop for 3-4 weeks, then leading up to the election he'll secure final traction to potentially, and much more likely pull off the win.

(09-26-2016 09:50 PM)Last Parade Wrote:  POLLS

HAVEN'T TESTED YET, GO TRY THEM

http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/poll-who-w...al-debate/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p..._poll.html

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/statu...0728477697

https://twitter.com/ABC7News/status/780597883481489408

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/201...ntial.html

http://drudgereport.com/flashnyd.htm

http://time.com/4506217/presidential-deb...mp-survey/


Also listening to The American Dreamer on repeat right now to regain my energy levels

Bump for more voting and high energy! MAGA!

(09-26-2016 10:44 PM)ms224 Wrote:  I went to a watch party at a bar with a bunch of local RNC types.

I think he screwed up a lot of things, talking too much about his buildings and generally just rambling. Could have attacked or on any number of things such as the whole cyber terrorism thing, russia reset, wall street contributions. etc.

By all normal metrics he lost.

Ole hilldog did way better then anyone expected, seemed polished like a true political creature.

But he was willing to fight, he pulled out the knife and charged in and even twisted it a few times. Thats way better than anyone since reagan.

If its about turnout, he just dick slapped the old gop and showed them the new world order. Lots of angry people out there.

Can you see mcain or romney telling the moderator to back off? Or interrupting the opposition?

He needs to say the word ASSIMILATION in regards to immigration policy. Millions of who went through the hard work of becoming Americans, (fuck the ins papers) demand it in their hearts.

I disagree.

His Business lines were good. I think he could of done more to highlight how he has been a real job creator while going after HRC who has never created a job in her life.

Get into the details of payroll, insurance, taxes, etc. Things that the millions of small business owners in America know about. This IMO is his 'Trump Card' he can talk the language the middle class actually knows about.

He can segway that into how he has rewarded women, minorities, gays into high level positions in his company because as a real business person all he wants to see, is his people do well, work hard, and he will always reward them for it, because that is the American thing to do.

Segway that into how un-American things such as shoddy trade deals via corrupt politicians who will sell America to anybody with a open wallet, undermining real honest Americans hard work which undermines families who are trying to make the best for their kids and loved ones.

He can talk business al day. HRC has no reply for him on that matter and neither does the Moderator.

Trumps specifics can be nitty gritty details of bullshit Red Tape that business have to deal with. Talk about the silly costs to get Municipal Water to run your cement factory when Governments will sell that same water to whores like Coca-Cola and Pepsi for a tenth of a penny, and then they go bottle that water to sell to Americans for 1000% mark-up. That isn't real business, that isn't a real hustle, and that does not take hard work to do. Let Trump talk about bringing it back to hard work and hustle that built America into a strong and prosperous Country.

If HRC tries to attack him then he can just reply back: "If it was so easy why don't others do it? Why did't you do it? If it was so easy, then why did't you start your own business and do what I did versus using corruption and political connections to make 100s of millions for you and Bill?"

She can't say shit to that. Moderator would have to pick up the pieces of HRC's jaw from the floor.

(09-26-2016 11:03 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  ...
he was getting lambasted for every little quip of seeming arrogance and disregard, then he tamed it down, put in way more road work than Hillary (the good old fashioned way any good business man knows to resort to), and now going into the debates he was polling quite well.

Road work? Like actually having a job in government for years so you have some familiarity with the work?

I think Hillary's a total bitch, but she's half sane, which seems the best on offer .

Donald Trump JR on Hannity is a way, way better speaker than his dad.