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First time taking a crack at writing datasheets, be gentle. More to come.

About me: mid 20s, Latino looking with decent looks, game-wise I would say I do well, especially online

I went in with really high expectations because I've previously lived in Poland for a year and had killed it.
I don't mean to be arrogant or exaggerate but since Polish men are so ugly, I was easily the best looking guy in most clubs. With that in my head I assumed I could easily open at 7/8+ but boy I was wrong.
My goal was to experiment different aspects of game away from home base and I was met with such stingy and bitchy reactions it totally killed my vibe. Towards to end I just wanted to get the flag.

Back in 2014, I would enter clubs in Krakow/Warsaw and all 6/7's would give smile IOIs, often even cold approach me at night on streets and closing was just a matter of having logistics right (i.e. her friend giving the leeway)

Night game:

Pijalnia bars: Cheap student bars, very overcrowded but have some potential. I personally avoided them. Just felt like I don't belong there anymore having left the student life

Hola Hola (bar): This is has become the to-go bar for people in Poznan. Drinks and ratios are good and it's right next to Cuba Libre and Czekolada

Cuba Libre: I had read this is where Polish girls go to get their taste of foreign men and I stand by that. The ratios were great but the dance floors are intolerable, almost felt like being in a sauna. Get progressively better on Friday and Saturday night

Czekolada: I only went there Thursday night, hardly any crowd, poor ratios, bitchy attitudes

Pacha night: Probably the most posh club in PZ and infamous in Poznan for being full of gold diggers and rightly so. Girl on tinder to ask what am I up to and I told her I'm heading to Pacha. She seemed super excited and we decided to meet somewhere in center and walk together. At the entrance, she right out asks me whether I can pay for her and her friend. I was like wtf, I don't know. She ends up paying and as soon as we get in, she gives me this bad vibe and on asking what's wrong she lectures me how I am now in Poland and I'm supposed to pay for her. I tell her it was nice meeting and bounce away with a smile
The average quality of the club was high but all of them had high bitch shields on.

SQ: Was recommended by many and I decided to make it my venue to Saturday. I roll up with 2 other friends and we decide to get a table. The quality was good so were the ratios and music.

I do a round of the club to assess the market situation. I dance open a girl, she says she has to leave and I FB close (pointless since I'm leaving next day). I go outside to smoke and open a girl sitting. I told her she's being impolite by sitting while I have to bend over to say Hi and talk. 5 mins into to convo I say there's so much tension between us and she tells me "maybe I'll invite you to my place". The deal was closed there but I had to wait 1 hour because her fat friend was trying to get a guy from Tinder to fuck her as well. So I go to her place, fuck her and leave at 8 in the morning. I didn't feel slightest happy about this lay. When you are the best looking guy in the club and you score a 7, why should you be? Could have I done better? Maybe yes but I was so fed up of underwhelming reception, I just wanted to be done with it as a form of validation.

Day game:

I don't do day game much but I did give a few attempts. Trying the "do you speak English" got me straight blowout or "No" 90% of times. It just felt like as if they are all so skeptical of anyone foreign.

Good spots: Stary Bower Mall, Poznan City Center Mall (linked to train station)

Reception was warmer when I decide to try indirect day game walking alone before leaving on Sunday but still maintaining attention and number closing 6/10's when competition around you is 4/10 isn't "gaming" to me

I reckon the drastic change in reception in Poland could be blamed at:

Foreigners have completely runned down every place. I thought Krakow/Warsaw were run down but now realizing even tier 2 cities such as Poznan have been affected. I expected to see no foreigners at this time of year and still encountered quite many.

Social shaming - A girl told me we can meet in the club and do whatever but we cannot walk on the street together. Often I would hearing Poles shouting or expressing anger everytime we passed by or tried approaching women

My time of visit (University begins in 3 weeks) could also have been a factor.

Takeaways: If you are a brother (I saw some black dudes pulling from cuba libre) or below average male who has trouble pulling in home country, it is definitely worth a visit since there is abundance of easy fuckable girls. 7-9/10 range girls, hard to say, I will give it another shot once the university semester is back on in Oct.

Post: #2

Dude in some countries you just do not ask women to pay. Definitely not while asking your tinder date to the poshest club in town and why agree to a plus one date anyway. I do not know if your sense of entitlement comes from being good looking or previously finding it easy in some countries but reading your datasheet and the tone of writing I can understand why you had less success than expected.
If you keep bouncing off czekolada to Cuba libre Wednesday till Saturday with more understanding of the vibe and culture of the country, you'll pull proper 8s more nights than not.
Pacha is as high end as it gets as you rightly pointed out and extreme bitch Shields are to be expected. I suggest you take a second look at poznan with a bit more positivity and humbleness during a time when the town is not expectedly empty and you'll be surprised with the results. Read bang Poland and the several Poland threads on the forum and read between the lines to understand how roosh and other forum members cracked the code and understand the psyche of the local girls. In a place like Poland you should be pulling leverage of your foreigner status and elevated purchase power instead of looking like a cheap douchebag who invites a young girl to the poshest club in town and makes her pay for the entrance. That might be normal in sweden but a felony in East Europe.

Also I would suggest reconsider your stance on being the best looking guy in every club. I am not doubting your looks but there is a fine line between confidence and arrogance and when you are blessed in the looks department your confidence can easily be misinterpreted for arrogance. When a average looking guy seduces a girl with somewhat aggressive game the bird is curious to know the secret and mystic behind his confidence and she's charmed. When the same confidence comes from a extreme good looking guy birds often are put off and think "just because he's handsome he thinks I am gonna get on my knees and blow him. Well, fuck that." Women also like something personal to take home and they'd drop a cocky Brad Pitt to take home a Steve Carell who makes her feel better about herself.

Post: #3

I understand I might be coming off as too entitled but man Warsaw gets a lot of hate here and I had far better reception there 2 years ago. Girls in Poznan were least receptive I've experienced in a while

Forgot to add, in those days I got away with joking to women on date if they could pay for my coffee/beer as well (and they actually did and I still got the lay).
There were also times when I hardly bought alcohol and cigarettes since they would always come to my place with some and leave it there. I guess things have changed a lot in 2 years lol

Post: #4

(09-19-2016 05:45 PM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  Dude in some countries you just do not ask women to pay. Definitely not while asking your tinder date to the poshest club in town and why agree to a plus one date anyway. I do not know if your sense of entitlement comes from being good looking or previously finding it easy in some countries but reading your datasheet and the tone of writing I can understand why you had less success than expected.
If you keep bouncing off czekolada to Cuba libre Wednesday till Saturday with more understanding of the vibe and culture of the country, you'll pull proper 8s more nights than not.
Pacha is as high end as it gets as you rightly pointed out and extreme bitch Shields are to be expected. I suggest you take a second look at poznan with a bit more positivity and humbleness during a time when the town is not expectedly empty and you'll be surprised with the results. Read bang Poland and the several Poland threads on the forum and read between the lines to understand how roosh and other forum members cracked the code and understand the psyche of the local girls. In a place like Poland you should be pulling leverage of your foreigner status and elevated purchase power instead of looking like a cheap douchebag who invites a young girl to the poshest club in town and makes her pay for the entrance. That might be normal in sweden but a felony in East Europe.

Also I would suggest reconsider your stance on being the best looking guy in every club. I am not doubting your looks but there is a fine line between confidence and arrogance and when you are blessed in the looks department your confidence can easily be misinterpreted for arrogance. When a average looking guy seduces a girl with somewhat aggressive game the bird is curious to know the secret and mystic behind his confidence and she's charmed. When the same confidence comes from a extreme good looking guy birds often are put off and think "just because he's handsome he thinks I am gonna get on my knees and blow him. Well, fuck that." Women also like something personal to take home and they'd drop a cocky Brad Pitt to take home a Steve Carell who makes her feel better about herself.

You are right, but just to a certain extent. I am with OP here, she not only wanted him to pay for hers, but also to her friend, in a place known to be a golddigger central...I would do the same.

Also, in my short Polish experience, girls where normally very proud of not accepting that guys bought them drinks and entrances, and how modern and European they where for this (obviously trying to distancing themselves to other EE girls).

And Steve Carell over Brad Pitt...that is just not going to happen, specially in a Club. In other venues maybe "avg looks + charisma" can beat with all stars aligned "great looks + cockiness".

The best is "great looks + charisma", those few who possess it are the true ladykillers I know.

Post: #5

(09-19-2016 05:52 PM)BishesMyron Wrote:  I understand I might be coming off as too entitled but man Warsaw gets a lot of hate here and I had far better reception there 2 years ago. Girls in Poznan were least receptive I've experienced in a while

Forgot to add, in those days I got away with joking to women on date if they could pay for my coffee/beer as well (and they actually did and I still got the lay).
There were also times when I hardly bought alcohol and cigarettes since they would always come to my place with some and leave it there. I guess things have changed a lot in 2 years lol

Man paying for a coffee or beer at a regular bar is nothing compared to paying entrance to Pacha . Also when you tell a girl you are heading to Pacha and that she can bring her friend along she is expecting you to pay as this is not a place she'd have the chance to visit normally . In many ways when you invite a girl to a club it can be construed as you will pay for at least the entrance . It's like when you invite someone to your party at some club you either cover the door charges or make them aware beforehand how much it's going to be . She is polish and there are not shortage of takers for her in her hometown , why would she be super excited to go to Pacha with you when she could go on her own any day of the year other than the fact that you might actually be minted enough for her to have the Paacha experience that local boys can't afford . This was your moment to shine . The minute you ask her to pay , the milk turns sour in her mouth and it leaves a bad taste and vibe for the rest of the night . Instead of enjoying the place , she's now counting how much it cost her to hang out with you and if it was worth the money . Also if you paid the entrance I have a sneaky feeling the girl might have offered to buy you a beer even if just to not appear a gold digger . Often times on dates I would pay the first round just to get it out the way the notion that I might be a penny pincher. It relaxes the person next to you and they more often than not go get the second round . You could have offered to pay for your date and not her friend and never agree to a date plus one situation in the first place .

So basically if I was you I would have paid the entrance because it's Poland and I can afford it and gone for the bang pretty swiftly once in the club before cutting my losses short . If you read between the lines in the atitude of East European girls you'll see they are quite prolific at the numbers game when it comes to spending . They would let you pay the taxi but let you smoke her cigarettes , ley you pay for the coctails in clubs but bring you home made zubrowka or super market beers , you pay the restaurant and she cooks for you . It's one thing to spilt the coffee bill at a cafe or bar and another thing altogether to pay a cab or entrance and drinks at high end clubs . Most times than not in my experience when I asked or acted like , expected or hoped a Polish girl would pick up the tab or split the bigger bills , she gave me a look like I just teabagged her mother .

Post: #6

The way I see it you had a change to enter a fancy club like a high roller with 2 beautiful women by your side. It would've cost you 10 euros max (entrance to the most expensive places in Krakow is like 15-20zl/person) and your value would've been through the roof. From there you could've danced with your Tinder date and move to your place or open a different set.
Instead you chose to play it cheap and rely on your arrogance to pull, big mistake.

Post: #7

^^No way. After a second reading I am even more on OP side. It was a Tinder hook up, a chick he had just met with no previous connection or guarantee of having a good time with. Also, he did not invited her, he told her where he was heading to, and she brought her friend, high chance of cockblocking or girlfriend of hers having another alternative agenda.

Possible scenarios after having paid their entrance:

1) Girls get inside and after a while go together to bathroom, after 10 minutes they are on the afar corner of the club speaking to other guys (two) who can entertain them better than just one. Most possibly local guys with money (if they are hot), the best catch for them.

2) If the entrance was not enough, girls milk for drinks all the night, because in Poland "men should pay" and OP leaves his wallet at the club. End of night there is kiss of goodbye and a hug. Night totally wasted.

3) There is simply no chemistry, and the three of them make an awkward pairing with girls with bitch face, and his value in any way skyrockets, seems he just payed for hookers to join him.

4) OP enters the place and regrets of having taken them in, after seeing all the talent inside and the multiple chances to approach hotter chicks.

5) and least likely due to the circumstances (Tinder, and lecturing him on not paying their entrance), is that the girls have a really good vibe and its a hell of a funny night out, with OP rubbing and grinding in both of them, then taking them both home or at least just one.

It is a gamble, due to circumstances, I would say it was like playing a Russian roulette with 1 bullet for 10 chambers. That was the odds I would give for having a better night after paying their entrance.

I would pay a couple of girls the entrance if they where exceptionally friendly and funny, it is not clear in OP, and to me it seems Tinder date was a cunt.

Post: #8

(09-19-2016 09:29 PM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^No way. After a second reading I am even more on OP side. It was a Tinder hook up, a chick he had just met with no previous connection or guarantee of having a good time with. Also, he did not invited her, he told her where he was heading to, and she brought her friend, high chance of cockblocking or girlfriend of hers having another alternative agenda.

Possible scenarios after having paid their entrance:

1) Girls get inside and after a while go together to bathroom, after 10 minutes they are on the afar corner of the club speaking to other guys (two) who can entertain them better than just one. Most possibly local guys with money (if they are hot), the best catch for them.

2) If the entrance was not enough, girls milk for drinks all the night, because in Poland "men should pay" and OP leaves his wallet at the club. End of night there is kiss of goodbye and a hug. Night totally wasted.

3) There is simply no chemistry, and the three of them make an awkward pairing with girls with bitch face, and his value in any way skyrockets, seems he just payed for hookers to join him.

4) OP enters the place and regrets of having taken them in, after seeing all the talent inside and the multiple chances to approach hotter chicks.

5) and least likely due to the circumstances (Tinder, and lecturing him on not paying their entrance), is that the girls have a really good vibe and its a hell of a funny night out, with OP rubbing and grinding in both of them, then taking them both home or at least just one.

It is a gamble, due to circumstances, I would say it was like playing a Russian roulette with 1 bullet for 10 chambers. That was the odds I would give for having a better night after paying their entrance.

I would pay a couple of girls the entrance if they where exceptionally friendly and funny, it is not clear in OP, and to me it seems Tinder date was a cunt.

I guess it's a matter of how one sees thinks , glass half full or empty . I would go out on a limb and say OP absolutely made the wrong choice and that kind of general disposition would get him more bad days than good days in life .

You do not go to Poland to be a penny pincher . A pint down the pub at a regular West European city costs more than a fancy club entrance in East Europe .

Negative energy attracts negative energy in a cosmic way . If OP bought the birds their entrance and walked right in with them there was a good chance one of them would be impressed by OPs baller lifestyle and generosity and hang around for more and bang him (remember it was a tinder match so the bird was interested with an intention to fuck to start with and OP being the "best looking guy in the club" should have more self belief than an somewhat average looking guy who's always wondering if the hottie next to him is because of his charms or wallet) . The fact that the girls paid their own entrance to get inside the club after OP's refusal shows me they were no "cunts" . The date started with a bad vibe was bound to end poorly .

It was no kind of Russian roulette for OP inside the club . Come on , man ! On one side OP enters the club with two attractive girls and if the girls weren't the best of company all he had to do is move on to hitting hundreds of other hot girls in the club . Pacha is huge over two floors and OP would have no problem approaching targets in different areas . If Spending 10 euros on two hotties in Poland equates to life or death decison of russian roulette you are better off shagging your village bicycle or meth toothed granny on the cheap than making your voyage to ex communist countries !

Post: #9

The reason why I was happy to roll with them into the club was because I saw it as win-win - showcase pre-selection or get the bang. If she was alone, I would have paid but directly asking to pay for "us" really pissed me off.

Maybe I'm being too bitter but in the past these Polish kurwas have literally used me as trophy boy by taking me to clubs to make their ex/BFs jealous. I don't trust them a bit.
In Western EU, especially Germany, I wouldn't hesitate paying because women don't "game" you

Post: #10

(09-20-2016 04:46 AM)BishesMyron Wrote:  The reason why I was happy to roll with them into the club was because I saw it as win-win - showcase pre-selection or get the bang. If she was alone, I would have paid but directly asking to pay for "us" really pissed me off.

Maybe I'm being too bitter but in the past these Polish kurwas have literally used me as trophy boy by taking me to clubs to make their ex/BFs jealous. I don't trust them a bit.
In Western EU, especially Germany, I wouldn't hesitate paying because women don't "game" you

I feel you brother . But it happens in western Europe too /thread-56815.html (thread on my experiences with girls in first world Eu . ) So I hear you man but whereas in the West spending on a bird has no bounds and really stings you in the ass in a place like Poland it can actually be a chance to feel like a top dog baller. Besides there's the obvious culture difference . A western girl is definitely taking you for a ride if she makes you pay , in east Eu it could simply be a case of her not having the means or she expecting you to have higher purchase power being a foreigner added with the notion of men being provider in those parts of the world .

Post: #11

(09-20-2016 04:32 AM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 09:29 PM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^No way. After a second reading I am even more on OP side. It was a Tinder hook up, a chick he had just met with no previous connection or guarantee of having a good time with. Also, he did not invited her, he told her where he was heading to, and she brought her friend, high chance of cockblocking or girlfriend of hers having another alternative agenda.

Possible scenarios after having paid their entrance:

1) Girls get inside and after a while go together to bathroom, after 10 minutes they are on the afar corner of the club speaking to other guys (two) who can entertain them better than just one. Most possibly local guys with money (if they are hot), the best catch for them.

2) If the entrance was not enough, girls milk for drinks all the night, because in Poland "men should pay" and OP leaves his wallet at the club. End of night there is kiss of goodbye and a hug. Night totally wasted.

3) There is simply no chemistry, and the three of them make an awkward pairing with girls with bitch face, and his value in any way skyrockets, seems he just payed for hookers to join him.

4) OP enters the place and regrets of having taken them in, after seeing all the talent inside and the multiple chances to approach hotter chicks.

5) and least likely due to the circumstances (Tinder, and lecturing him on not paying their entrance), is that the girls have a really good vibe and its a hell of a funny night out, with OP rubbing and grinding in both of them, then taking them both home or at least just one.

It is a gamble, due to circumstances, I would say it was like playing a Russian roulette with 1 bullet for 10 chambers. That was the odds I would give for having a better night after paying their entrance.

I would pay a couple of girls the entrance if they where exceptionally friendly and funny, it is not clear in OP, and to me it seems Tinder date was a cunt.

I guess it's a matter of how one sees thinks , glass half full or empty . I would go out on a limb and say OP absolutely made the wrong choice and that kind of general disposition would get him more bad days than good days in life .

You do not go to Poland to be a penny pincher . A pint down the pub at a regular West European city costs more than a fancy club entrance in East Europe .

Negative energy attracts negative energy in a cosmic way . If OP bought the birds their entrance and walked right in with them there was a good chance one of them would be impressed by OPs baller lifestyle and generosity and hang around for more and bang him (remember it was a tinder match so the bird was interested with an intention to fuck to start with and OP being the "best looking guy in the club" should have more self belief than an somewhat average looking guy who's always wondering if the hottie next to him is because of his charms or wallet) . The fact that the girls paid their own entrance to get inside the club after OP's refusal shows me they were no "cunts" . The date started with a bad vibe was bound to end poorly .

It was no kind of Russian roulette for OP inside the club . Come on , man ! On one side OP enters the club with two attractive girls and if the girls weren't the best of company all he had to do is move on to hitting hundreds of other hot girls in the club . Pacha is huge over two floors and OP would have no problem approaching targets in different areas . If Spending 10 euros on two hotties in Poland equates to life or death decison of russian roulette you are better off shagging your village bicycle or meth toothed granny on the cheap than making your voyage to ex communist countries !

If you had already the chance to knew me, you would not make the unfortunate comment in the last paragraph. Stingy foreigner chasing village girls is certainly not my style, as many can vouch, and I doubt you are more experienced than me in Ex communist or Soviet countries.

Nonetheless a few more remarks on the incongruencies of your post:

- No Polish girl will be impressed by a "baller lifestyle" just because you pay their entrance and drinks.

- Polish girls know very well the price of things in the West, and the scarce investment you are making. But go the route of paying everything to everyone and probably Poland wont be that cheap at the end of the day.

- Negative energy is one thing, beeing a fool taken for a ride is another.

- Girls respect guys who respect money, in that part of the world.

- Polish chicks on average are very proud on the fact that they do not need guys to pay them stuff.

Picking on this last one, I recall a funny interaction with a chick I had approached at Enklawa in Warsaw, I asked if she wanted any drink, she said yes, she then proceeded to order 6 vodka or tequilla shot, I asked why so much, and she replies "to my friends over there too" and points to the opposite direction, there another 4 girls smilling and waiving at me...fuck...I thought...been played by a foul...when I go to the wallet to pay, and for my surprise she completely declined and payed for mine. After some bad experiences in my early Ukraine days (when it was far from cheap over there), I was totally and positively in shock. Make out with her later, but rest of girls then later cockblocked by calling it a night and taking her.

Post: #12

Dude it was a tongue in cheek generic comment on the situation and not a personal attack on you. Apologies if it came off otherwise. Like Gringo Starr says Peace and Love

Post: #13

Was thinking about hitting up Poznan for a few weeks figured I'd bump this thread. Looking for Airbnb's what's the part of the city where all the clubs ETFs are in assuming city center old town but I don't want to assume and end up with shitty logistics.