Post: #1

I was fortunate enough to travel to western Europe in the 1980s, when Scandinavia was a fairyland of politeness and hot girls.

When I went back 15-20 years later, it was clear anti-social immigrants had darkened the mood considerably. I passed bloody spots in the street, broken bottles, a much more hardened attitude amongst the local girls which in retrospect was partially due to immigration from less educated countries.

I'm now pretty set for a girlfriend for now, not looking to pick up more and am more concerned with quality of life in particular cities. It costs a lot to tour around and get a feel for where people get harassed etc.

I'd like to go live in Europe, either East or West, for a while and would prefer to live in an intelligent city with symphony, opera, ballet, a variety of films being shown.

Probably the easiest rough measure of which cities have had their QOL damaged by excessive immigration is unfortunately the amount of Muslims , who are typically from combative, repressive cultures. I work with many very civilized and polite Muslim doctors in hospitals but those aren't the guys creeping in across the oceans, serious professionals can get into the first world legally.

In addition my impression is that when people from harsher cultures reach higher percentages of a population, they feel more free to impose their unpleasant public style on others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ci...population


So I'm adding this thread to start an info depot from people living or visiting on-the-ground where people can mention the QOL in various cities WRT:

1) Are the "no go " areas and what are the reasons.
2) Are there areas that are not too expensive that are free of street harassment

and other insights as to the livability of cities.

In case I get outed, I am not a racist, I am an pinko socialist affirmative action fan, I just believe I have the right to choose where I want to live based on my own personal preferences. If someone thinks I don't have the right to decide where I live, please explain why.

Post: #2

I agree kick them out, I can't get Quebecois pussy because of the Arabs reputation here.

Post: #3

This thread is questionable.

Post: #4

(09-08-2016 05:44 AM)burncushlikewood Wrote:  This thread is questionable.

What's your question?

Seems like a simple topic about high trust areas and low trust areas.
Famously, cities are less trusting than small towns.

Here the comparison is between cities with clashing cultures and cities with a consistent culture.
When people know what to expect, they are less tense and more open.

Post: #5

Irish cities are still largely untroubled by the invasion, although that could change, certainly the primary schools are loaded with non European kids, many from third world countries, which may not augur well for the future.
For now though, I would recommend Galway or Cork, maybe Dublin and Belfast too, largely safe and no no-go areas that I'm aware of

Post: #6

I would say Malmo, Paris, Hamburg, Frankfurt to name but a few.

Post: #7

(09-08-2016 05:44 AM)burncushlikewood Wrote:  This thread is questionable.

You calling out IKE's thread is questionable.

Post: #8

(09-08-2016 06:42 AM)amity Wrote:  Irish cities are still largely untroubled by the invasion, although that could change, certainly the primary schools are loaded with non European kids, many from third world countries, which may not augur well for the future.
For now though, I would recommend Galway or Cork, maybe Dublin and Belfast too, largely safe and no no-go areas that I'm aware of

Yeah...but who the hell wants to live in Dublin/Belfast? Unless of course your taste in women is trolls.

Post: #9

(09-08-2016 08:32 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 06:42 AM)amity Wrote:  Irish cities are still largely untroubled by the invasion, although that could change, certainly the primary schools are loaded with non European kids, many from third world countries, which may not augur well for the future.
For now though, I would recommend Galway or Cork, maybe Dublin and Belfast too, largely safe and no no-go areas that I'm aware of

Yeah...but who the hell wants to live in Dublin/Belfast? Unless of course your taste in women is trolls.

You're talking about the Irish women, in which case, I see where you're coming from (although we also have 7s, 8s and 9s here too, just not as many as EE, Med Europe or Scandinavia).
But Dublin and to a lesser extent Belfast have plenty of South American and EE hotness going on, many Latin European women here too, and Temple Bar area is awash with tourists from every corner of the world.
True you won't come across as much quality and as consistently as in many other European capital cities, but there's still plenty of it here, if you know where to look, and present yourself confidently.

Post: #10

(09-08-2016 08:32 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  Yeah...but who the hell wants to live in Dublin/Belfast? Unless of course your taste in women is trolls.

Dublin 7.5 (flower hair ornament drooping slightly)

Post: #11

(09-08-2016 07:59 AM)scotian Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 05:44 AM)burncushlikewood Wrote:  This thread is questionable.

You calling out IKE's thread is questionable.

Your questioning of his questions about IKE's questions is questionable.

Post: #12

(09-08-2016 09:03 AM)amity Wrote:  You're talking about the Irish women, in which case, I see where you're coming from (although we also have 7s, 8s and 9s here too, just not as many as EE, Med Europe or Scandinavia).
But Dublin and to a lesser extent Belfast have plenty of South American and EE hotness going on, many Latin European women here too, and Temple Bar area is awash with tourists from every corner of the world.
True you won't come across as much quality and as consistently as in many other European capital cities, but there's still plenty of it here, if you know where to look, and present yourself confidently.

I rarely see anything over a 6 here in Dublin plus the extremely rare 8's (no such thing as an Irish 9 IMO) aren't even on par with 8's from say Russia or Brazil. Even then they won't acknowledge you unless they personally know you or you happen to have high status/connections/bank roll. Total waste of time.

It is true that there are plenty of South American and Eastern European hotties around, but for every fine ass foreign chick here, there are at least a dozen of her country men and alpha locals vying for her affection at any one time. It's not impossible of course and the only reason I'm still living here is because of the couple of foreign chicks that I date, but Ireland overall is a total clusterfuck when it comes to women.

Post: #13

I was in Paris a few weeks ago. Driving into the city center, I drove through many neighborhoods that looked rough. However, right in the center of Paris, it seemed very pleasant still. I've seen the same in Amsterdam and Cologne. I think it's like any other city. Some neighborhoods are better than others. I think the immigration is very bad for Europe, but you can still enjoy the good parts of the cities, for now.

If any thing, I feel now is the best time to see the ancient wonders of Europe, before the non-native population jumps another 20%, as it's likely to do in 10-20 years.

Post: #14

Any half a million plus city in Western Europe beats any half a million plus American city for less crime.

What I saw in Germany this summer, unless you're in the bahnhofsviertel of Hamburg or Frankfurt, there is zero creepiness from unemployed immigrants hanging around. Around the train stations in big cities, yes, it is dodgy with lots of idle Arab and African guys hanging around, but then these places were always dodgy with white degenerates in the past.

I look out more for Romanian Roma types as a crime threat. The various Slavs in Germany can also be robbers and scammers. They are organized. In the UK, drunken white lager louts more of a threat. They can be pointlessly aggressive.

There are so many places in Europe which would be great places to live. I would not hesitate to live in Amsterdam despite the high proportion of immigrants. The Dutch seem to do a good job of integrating or at least placating arrivals, I got zero bad vibes there earlier this year.

Spain is not full of immigrants at all outside of Madrid and Barcelona. Medium sized cities like Cordoba, Cadiz, Granada, or Malaga have an outstanding cultural environments. Valencia is also said to be very nice (by Baldrich, with his reservations). I've never been to Galicia or Asturias, maybe a coastal city there would be agreeable.

I was in Stockholm this summer for a few days, hung out with RVF forum member SvenTuga, it was great, did not seem dangerous. Au contraire, I saw some hot Arab type and Ethiopian girls adopting Swedish mores.

Prague was great this summer, might be some drug inspired street crime, but I did not see any threats.

Lisbon was very pleasant and seemed safe a few months ago, plus you could check out the other cities.

Ireland would be nice but for the weather and winter darkness, if you brought a woman with you. It is also very expensive relative to Spain or even Germany.

I have not been in Italy in 6 years, so can't judge now, but would not mind living in a place like Gaeta, Pozzuoli, or even Roma. Plenty of small cities and towns within an hour's commuter train ride of Roma, too.

Post: #15

@Brick Top
Fair points all, you're right that an Irish 9 is probably a contradiction in terms and 8s are pretty damn rare here.
WC's post thrust me into action to defend my countrywomen!
But now that I think about it, what you've said is a much more accurate picture of things in Dublin (and other Irish cities).

Post: #16

(09-09-2016 05:02 AM)amity Wrote:  @Brick Top
Fair points all, you're right that an Irish 9 is probably a contradiction in terms and 8s are pretty damn rare here.
WC's post thrust me into action to defend my countrywomen!
But now that I think about it, what you've said is a much more accurate picture of things in Dublin (and other Irish cities).

Hey no worries, I'm patriotic towards my country also, but not when it comes to my countrywomen!

Dealing with pasty/chubby 5/6's who think that they are 7/8's because they have a vagina is fucking depressing.

Thank God for Ryanair!

Post: #17

(09-07-2016 11:09 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  When I went back 15-20 years later, it was clear anti-social immigrants had darkened the mood considerably.

I had this discussion just a few months ago. I have a female friend (no flake) who, like you, toured Europe about 15-20 years ago. She fell in love with Vienna and decided that she would eventually live there in semi-retirement. She just toured Europe again just last year and noticed an incredible difference.

She no longer felt the same level of personal security -- and it stemmed entirely from an increased Arab immigrant presence. She was constantly mad-dogged by immigrants in Vienna. She no longer has any desire to live in Vienna.

While traveling elsewhere in Europe, she also visited a number of outdoor markets populated only by men (mostly Arab immigrants) who glared at her and gave off a bad vibe. (I might add that my friend is no shrinking violet.) There seemed to be some unspoken rule that only men could work at these markets and there were no women vendors and few women shoppers.

She stated that the one exception was Spain. She stated that the Arab immigrants there were friendly and gave off an entirely different vibe. Europe is slowly committing cultural suicide.

Post: #18

I pray for Europe to not become what America has, a multicultural cesspool full of extreme crime and non natives..

Post: #19

I'm in Spain right now and yeah, outside the cesspool that is Barcelona I really haven't seen any Changes or shifts, except that a lot of the younger people with degrees or ambitious have emigrated. There are plenty of articles citing how the poor fleeing victims of war didn't want to come here because of the lack of freebies.

German and French countryside also tends to m ake people who Come from a non-working culture less likely to step foot on.

Roma? Ah yes I could write a book or two about dealing with the gypsies.
They seem to have emigrated en masse to the greener pastures of Scandinavia from what I be seen in my roving.

Post: #20

(09-11-2016 01:31 AM)Brian Shima Wrote:  I pray for Europe to not become what America has, a multicultural cesspool full of extreme crime and non natives..

Isn't all of America full of non natives.

Post: #21

Some of my best fucks in the USA have been girls from other countries. Why are you afraid of that? Of course it's better without any degenerates around, but good luck with that. There is still plenty of pussy to go around if you Iive in any major polite city. For example, Houston in the United States or Mexico City in Mexico or Manila. There are tons of places you can go.

Having said that, I take my first trip to Europe literally tomorrow so I'll have more of a perspective from that side.

Post: #22

(09-12-2016 04:26 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:31 AM)Brian Shima Wrote:  I pray for Europe to not become what America has, a multicultural cesspool full of extreme crime and non natives..

Isn't all of America full of non natives.

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You nailed it Rudebwoy

Post: #23

(09-09-2016 04:59 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Any half a million plus city in Western Europe beats any half a million plus American city for less crime.

Thanks for a detailed and very helpful, judicious reply. There's a lot of alarmism in this thread.

(09-09-2016 04:59 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  What I saw in Germany this summer, unless you're in the bahnhofsviertel of Hamburg or Frankfurt, there is zero creepiness from unemployed immigrants hanging around. Around the train stations in big cities, yes, it is dodgy with lots of idle Arab and African guys hanging around, but then these places were always dodgy with white degenerates in the past.

I'm surprised you remember seeing me there.

(09-09-2016 04:59 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  I look out more for Romanian Roma types as a crime threat. The various Slavs in Germany can also be robbers and scammers. They are organized. In the UK, drunken white lager louts more of a threat. They can be pointlessly aggressive.

Good points, the only person that's ever laid a hand on me in Europe /EE was a White Ukrainian landlord trying to illegally evict me for a higher paying tenant.

Post: #24

(09-12-2016 08:26 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(09-09-2016 04:59 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Any half a million plus city in Western Europe beats any half a million plus American city for less crime.

Thanks for a detailed and very helpful, judicious reply. There's a lot of alarmism in this thread.

(09-09-2016 04:59 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  What I saw in Germany this summer, unless you're in the bahnhofsviertel of Hamburg or Frankfurt, there is zero creepiness from unemployed immigrants hanging around. Around the train stations in big cities, yes, it is dodgy with lots of idle Arab and African guys hanging around, but then these places were always dodgy with white degenerates in the past.

I'm surprised you remember seeing me there.

(09-09-2016 04:59 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  I look out more for Romanian Roma types as a crime threat. The various Slavs in Germany can also be robbers and scammers. They are organized. In the UK, drunken white lager louts more of a threat. They can be pointlessly aggressive.

Good points, the only person that's ever laid a hand on me in Europe /EE was a White Ukrainian landlord trying to illegally evict me for a higher paying tenant.

IKE you damn near killed me with that one!

Post: #25

(09-12-2016 04:26 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 01:31 AM)Brian Shima Wrote:  I pray for Europe to not become what America has, a multicultural cesspool full of extreme crime and non natives..

Isn't all of America full of non natives.

Obviously-- the population of Native Americans was decimated.

The people added are arguably why it's a very powerful country with a lot of patents, America in the past attracted those with a higher risk tolerance ( steamship or sail journey; uncertain economy).

Now it's a safe economic bet so maybe not as much as before.