Post: #101

Ghost Tiger at the rate the junkies are overdosing on fentanyl and W18 out west these days, Insite may have to shut its doors because there won't be any addicts left soon!

Post: #102

Relevant:

Vox Day Wrote:These guys are killing it



I have to admit, I would ABSOLUTELY vote for Rodrigo Duterte. I mean, while I personally prefer legalization, if you're going to fight a war on drugs, simply shooting the drug users and drug dealers does strike me as considerably more effective than forcing your entire population to move to credit cards and arresting their property any time they have more cash on hand than you dictate.

Between Duterte, Putin, and Trump, we would appear to be entering the age of the Alpha President.

https://voxday.blogspot.ca/2016/09/these...ng-it.html

Disappointed to hear that my hero Vox Day prefers legalization, but he made up for it by endorsing the policy change I suggested to TooFineAPoint above in this thread. Just fuckin' (let me) shoot 'em.

Governor Paul LePage of Maine can also go on the list of alpha shitlord leaders...

Huffington Post Wrote:Maine Gov. Paul LePage To Heroin Addicts: Drop Dead
No, seriously. That’s pretty much what he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/main...9c59d6e865

Post: #103

Georgiass,

I love how you resort to out of context metaphor to make an irrelevant point about what I said. If your argument were strong, you wouldn't need the metaphor.

Quote: This is an absurd argument and another unrealistic goal. I'm not interested in seeing it shrink to zero at any cost just as I'm not interested in saving three children from smoking a joint at 12 by executing anyone caught with a single MJ seed.

I know. As a non-parent, never-parent, you think of the world in large, abstract terms. And you think everyone else is supposed to think of the world in large, abstract terms.

But as a "parent" - (quotes because my niece isn't literally my daughter, but the responsibility I've had for protecting her and shaping her into the adult she us today are enough to intuitively understand all parents) - your brand of abstract, all world thinking is the most reliable "Georgiass isn't a parent." tell. I no longer give a shit about the world in the abstract sense.

Quote: Your children would statistically be far safer if we lowered every speed limit to 15 MPH and enforced by governors on every vehicle on the road. Do you find this acceptable? No? Why do you care more about being able to speed than the very lives of your own children?

Because driving to work is an essential feature of modern life that allows working parents to provide resources for their children. While every dead child due to traffic accidents is a tragedy, reducing the speed limit to 15 MPH significantly impairs (if not reduces to zero!) our ability to be parents.

Meanwhile, your drug usage makes you so self-absorbed that you seriously asked what the difference was, like you seriously didn't know the answer. It is bad enough that drug users and drug promoters are branded as childish, non-parent, self-absorbed, anti-community thinkers. But asking that question, in that manner, reinforces every characteristic of that brand.

Some define Game as pretending to be High Value, so that you can gain female companionship while working to become Genuinely High Value. Your arguments are anti-Game in the sense that they're Low Value trying to convince High Value people to see him as Equally Valuable. But the way you promote the comfort of drug users ahead of everyone else's needs (despite claiming that you're only trying to balance out multiple factors) is blatantly Low Value.

You are not convincing. You are anti-convincing.

Post: #104

Although this post is speaking to Ghost Tiger, it is really directed at the drug promoters who've been trying to change my mind by pointing to non-drug situations to suggest I'm either a hypocrite or not thinking straight.

Ghost Tiger, my niece is 17 and so is your daughter. I don't know if she's attended her prom yet, but my niece has, and I was in the room when she was being photographed in her prom dress. This was a crowning moment, because she is very obviously A Young Woman Without Any Psychological Hang-Ups. And given how horrible my upbringing was, and how abusive my parents were to me, shaping her into a woman without hang-ups is a crowning achievement indeed. It makes me look out into the landscape as a 40 year old man and tell myself, 'It may be difficult to find the right woman, but I can totally parent for real." My Russian friend told me the same thing, and called me an idiot for not realizing this sooner.

My best stories usually involve her. One that comes to mind happened about three months ago when she begged me to drive her to the dollar store, because her One Year with her boyfriend was tomorrow, and she hadn't bought a card.

We get there, and she tells me about ten minutes later, "All of these cards suck." I quickly replied, "Get the most ridiculous and irreverent card you can find, and stand 100% behind the joke, even if he doesn't think it's funny." Two minutes later, she comes back with this big smile on her face, and announces that she's ready to go. And that she'll tell me later what the card says.

Next day, her boyfriend is over, and she's mad because I missed him opening up the card, which said (front) "Beautiful, Amazing, Awesome", (inside) "Thanks for being the best daughter ever." Thankfully, he found the card very funny, which means I scored yet another point for helping her through life.

I'll spare the long lecture on how becoming a parent changes you. The short lecture is that being a parent teaches you fear. I'd be disappointed if I lost both of my legs in a car accident, but I'd be devastated if anything killed my niece. The thing we most fear is not being able to protect our children. The thing we second-most fear is creating doubt in our children's minds that we're not looking out for their needs above our own, every minute of every day. These two fears bond us to all other parents, to the point where we don't even need to articlulate these fears. We feel them, and we know every other good parent feels them. (Often, we feel them so well that we can't, or won't, describe them; we just expect you to know them.)

Consequently, drug promoters, we don't fear being exposed as hypocrites. If our hypocrisy is a way we put our children's needs before our own, then our hypocrisy is GOOD. (We expect you to know this, too, which is why I always assume that someone who worries about hypocrisy Has No Children.) And thanks to the Trump campaign, we no longer fear being racist for the exact same reason. (Harsher sentences for crack over cocaine, despite being the same substance, is undeniably racist. But it also prevents Black drug users from gaining a foothold in my niece's mostly White neighborhood. So what you call racist, I call "White parents protecting their White children.")

I hope you didn't mistake the whimsical nature of my "You have to convince us; we don't have to convince you" post for non-seriousness. That post was 100% serious, as were the explanations in this one.

Good luck trying to change my mind. Don't double down on trying to make me feel ashamed for being hypocritical. It won't work.

Post: #105

This is an issue that I've regularly changed my opinion about. But I think I've now allowed my libertarian side to take over and say that it is people's own free will if they wish to take these drugs or not, and the government has no right to stop them as they don't harm anyone else.

Having said that, I think I'd only support full decriminalisation of all drugs if there was a law change that made the user culpable for any injuries, accidents, crimes or deaths inflicted on another or themselves whilst under the influence of these drugs. In the UK right now, as a taxpayer you are liable for the medical treatment of drug abusers and idiots.

That is not libertarian, so realistically I am against full decriminalisation. However idealistically I would support it, as long as the user is culpable for any damages.

Post: #106

^^ 10/10 post MMX2010. My daughter is 15 (not 17) but your arguments are still bang-on. Yes, I fear for my daughter's safety and my attitude towards drug policy is heavily impacted by that fear. Quincy Jones once said that every human motive can be boiled down to one of two emotions: fear or love. My love for my daughter is even more powerful than any fear I have and because of it, not only do I not fear being accused of hypocrisy, but I'm not joking when I say I'm not afraid of being accused of murder to protect her. There are no limits to how far I'll go to make sure she has a healthy community to grow and thrive in and make me grand-babies in.

So yes, drug legalization promoters, you will all fail to persuade me that drug legalization is a good idea, and the truth is, you're not even really trying all that hard, because you're not fathers. It takes a village to raise a child, so it's easy to not give a flying fuck about the state the village is in when you're a single guy with zero responsibilities. It's easy to think libertarian thoughts when you're just trying to get laid, score some drugs, and play a few video games. You watch the junkies writhe and die in the streets and say, "Hey, they made a choice. No skin off my ass." But when you're a father you think, "How is my daughter going to find a quality husband with all these young guys who are only interested in getting laid, scoring some drugs, and playing a few video games?" It's another reason why I give a fuck about this forum. I don't have any problems getting laid so I'm not interested in the game aspect here. What I am interested in is helping shape the opinions and mindset of other men out there, because I'm surrounded by effeminate faggots everywhere I go, especially in central Canada.

You guys should think about whether or not you want your daughter growing up and looking for a husband in Amsterdam. Then maybe you'll begin to understand the mindset of guys like MMX2010 and me.

Post: #107

For the record, I live a 3 minute walk to Insite. I have been in this neighborhood for 15 years, since I was 21.

My opinions on this matter come from someone who has spent most of his adult life hearing one thing (politicians) and seeing another (reality).

Insite has done only harm as far as I can tell. People still shoot up in my son's playground. There are noticeably MORE needles laying around, as they are now free. In the mornings I often see a 'hypodermic needle pinata' laying scattered about. Calling this in gets a private Hazmat company, also taxpayer funded, to come in and comb the area for more needles.

With current political will, there is NOTHING that the police or courts can do to deter this. My good friend and neighbor had his apartment broke into last week. He has two babies at home, but luckily they were out. The perps were caught on camera, and are known to police. Absolutely zero was done. My friend, a lawyer, is about to unleash hell. And he should. The detective cam by once, told him flat out that he does not need to take prints and that there is no point in pursuing this issue. Its a junkie couple, so no one wants to be the one to put these 'poor mentally ill' in prison. Its a "social problem" after all.

For fuck sake.

Post: #108

(09-08-2016 01:58 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Georgiass,

I love how you resort to out of context metaphor to make an irrelevant point about what I said. If your argument were strong, you wouldn't need the metaphor.

Quote: This is an absurd argument and another unrealistic goal. I'm not interested in seeing it shrink to zero at any cost just as I'm not interested in saving three children from smoking a joint at 12 by executing anyone caught with a single MJ seed.

I know. As a non-parent, never-parent, you think of the world in large, abstract terms. And you think everyone else is supposed to think of the world in large, abstract terms.

But as a "parent" - (quotes because my niece isn't literally my daughter, but the responsibility I've had for protecting her and shaping her into the adult she us today are enough to intuitively understand all parents) - your brand of abstract, all world thinking is the most reliable "Georgiass isn't a parent." tell. I no longer give a shit about the world in the abstract sense.

Quote: Your children would statistically be far safer if we lowered every speed limit to 15 MPH and enforced by governors on every vehicle on the road. Do you find this acceptable? No? Why do you care more about being able to speed than the very lives of your own children?

Because driving to work is an essential feature of modern life that allows working parents to provide resources for their children. While every dead child due to traffic accidents is a tragedy, reducing the speed limit to 15 MPH significantly impairs (if not reduces to zero!) our ability to be parents.

Meanwhile, your drug usage makes you so self-absorbed that you seriously asked what the difference was, like you seriously didn't know the answer. It is bad enough that drug users and drug promoters are branded as childish, non-parent, self-absorbed, anti-community thinkers. But asking that question, in that manner, reinforces every characteristic of that brand.

Some define Game as pretending to be High Value, so that you can gain female companionship while working to become Genuinely High Value. Your arguments are anti-Game in the sense that they're Low Value trying to convince High Value people to see him as Equally Valuable. But the way you promote the comfort of drug users ahead of everyone else's needs (despite claiming that you're only trying to balance out multiple factors) is blatantly Low Value.

You are not convincing. You are anti-convincing.

If your skull wasn't so thick I wouldn't have to resort to metaphors but even the most basic abstract calculations seem beyond your grasp. It's all good though, you just keep patting yourself on the back while trilling how you're a master of rhetoric, and assigning arbitrary low/high value to things based on whether you personally agree or disagree with them. I don't give enough of a shit to tell you about my value and put you in your place. As long as you're right in your own head that fragile ego will be safe.

Ad hominem begets ad hominem. I'm out.

Post: #109

(09-08-2016 05:20 PM)Laner Wrote:  For the record, I live a 3 minute walk to Insite. I have been in this neighborhood for 15 years, since I was 21.

My opinions on this matter come from someone who has spent most of his adult life hearing one thing (politicians) and seeing another (reality).

Insite has done only harm as far as I can tell. People still shoot up in my son's playground. There are noticeably MORE needles laying around, as they are now free. In the mornings I often see a 'hypodermic needle pinata' laying scattered about. Calling this in gets a private Hazmat company, also taxpayer funded, to come in and comb the area for more needles.

With current political will, there is NOTHING that the police or courts can do to deter this. My good friend and neighbor had his apartment broke into last week. He has two babies at home, but luckily they were out. The perps were caught on camera, and are known to police. Absolutely zero was done. My friend, a lawyer, is about to unleash hell. And he should. The detective cam by once, told him flat out that he does not need to take prints and that there is no point in pursuing this issue. Its a junkie couple, so no one wants to be the one to put these 'poor mentally ill' in prison. Its a "social problem" after all.

For fuck sake.

Hey Scotian, there's my evidence right there of a policy change (Insite) that led to increased consumption (as per Laner).

Thanks Laner.

Post: #110

(09-08-2016 08:00 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 05:20 PM)Laner Wrote:  For the record, I live a 3 minute walk to Insite. I have been in this neighborhood for 15 years, since I was 21.

My opinions on this matter come from someone who has spent most of his adult life hearing one thing (politicians) and seeing another (reality).

Insite has done only harm as far as I can tell. People still shoot up in my son's playground. There are noticeably MORE needles laying around, as they are now free. In the mornings I often see a 'hypodermic needle pinata' laying scattered about. Calling this in gets a private Hazmat company, also taxpayer funded, to come in and comb the area for more needles.

With current political will, there is NOTHING that the police or courts can do to deter this. My good friend and neighbor had his apartment broke into last week. He has two babies at home, but luckily they were out. The perps were caught on camera, and are known to police. Absolutely zero was done. My friend, a lawyer, is about to unleash hell. And he should. The detective cam by once, told him flat out that he does not need to take prints and that there is no point in pursuing this issue. Its a junkie couple, so no one wants to be the one to put these 'poor mentally ill' in prison. Its a "social problem" after all.

For fuck sake.

Hey Scotian, there's my evidence right there of a policy change (Insite) that led to increased consumption (as per Laner).

Thanks Laner.

Anecdotal evidence, and Scotian is very familiar with my hood. We have hung out here many times.

And also needle rigs, being tax payer funded, are treated like confetti. I have no idea if more people are using or not, but there are certainly shit loads more needles laying around since Insite. Which also backs up what you are saying, that people still shoot up outside more than at Insite (where the needles are disposed of properly).

Post: #111

Quote:If your skull wasn't so thick I wouldn't have to resort to metaphors but even the most basic abstract calculations seem beyond your grasp. It's all good though, you just keep patting yourself on the back while trilling how you're a master of rhetoric, and assigning arbitrary low/high value to things based on whether you personally agree or disagree with them.

Not true. Based on whether they reflect the highest possible human motivations: child-rearing, child-protection, and community.

No one put a gun to your head and said, "You have to take a position which implies that you are better than and smarter than the community, while you're under the influence of brain-weakening drugs." You voluntarily took that position, and your defeat was predictable.

Post: #112

(09-08-2016 04:36 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  ...
So yes, drug legalization promoters, you will all fail to persuade me that drug legalization is a good idea, and the truth is, you're not even really trying all that hard, because you're not fathers. It takes a village to raise a child, so it's easy to not give a flying fuck about the state the village is in when you're a single guy with zero responsibilities. It's easy to think libertarian thoughts when you're just trying to get laid, score some drugs, and play a few video games. You watch the junkies writhe and die in the streets and say, "Hey, they made a choice. No skin off my ass." But when you're a father you think, "How is my daughter going to find a quality husband with all these young guys who are only interested in getting laid, scoring some drugs, and playing a few video games?" It's another reason why I give a fuck about this forum. I don't have any problems getting laid so I'm not interested in the game aspect here. What I am interested in is helping shape the opinions and mindset of other men out there, because I'm surrounded by effeminate faggots everywhere I go, especially in central Canada.

You guys should think about whether or not you want your daughter growing up and looking for a husband in Amsterdam. Then maybe you'll begin to understand the mindset of guys like MMX2010 and me.

I'm a father and unlike many fathers who live in the hives I understand what the term "village" actually infers. You're talking about drug laws and their enforcement as if it's some sort of community standard written by the community and enforced by the community but it's absolutely nothing of the sort.

It's a community standard written by the flighty cloud people of far away DCland and enforced by men who would lock up the entire community if the community decided to take matters into their own hands.

You said "we have a standard". The cloud people said "we hear you, but we're going to interpret it and also remove your ability to police our interpretation or your own for that matter".

So if the cloud people want you poor and impoverished then they rake in money flooding your "village" with drugs and laugh behind your back as you defend not only their schemes but the police state they build up around you WHILE THE DRUG PROBLEM STILL GETS WORSE BY THE DAY.

And here you are concerned that you might have to do murder to protect your girl, while ignoring the fact that the police state refusing to do it's job will still put you away for life (or worse) for doing the job they laughably refuse to DAY AFTER DAY.

But you know what they say about insanity. Same actions. Expecting different results.

No offence, really. I feel your pain. But you're defending the real monsters while villainising the ghetto parasites they create.

Post: #113

(09-06-2016 03:06 PM)scotian Wrote:  Good cocaine costs $3/gram in Colombia and possession of a gram is legal while shitty cocaine costs $80/gram in Canada and possession is illegal. I've met way more coke users in Canada than in Colombia although drug use is becoming more common down there, they lack the drug culture that we have in North America. I have no idea if my observations add to this debate.

I just...ah, "observed" a sale go down in Vegas, 2 grams for $275! Granted it's high quality, I mean, from what I hear of course, not that I would know...and having never been to Colombia myself I couldn't tell you, what quality is like down there. So I wouldn't really know how to compare quality objectively since I don't do that stuff ever, but anyway yeah $3 is damn cheap.

Post: #114

As a FORMER drug connoisseur of sorts, I'm 100% against fully legal or fully criminal. I realize this is never going to happen but a realistic and healthy policy regarding drugs would require someone have some subjective knowledge about these substances. But the minute someone's glanced at a joint in their life that automatically counts as a ding on their public office record.

LSD and all psychedelic, consciousness expanding drugs should be legalized.

Marijuana should be full legal. If alcohol is then weed should be too.

Raw, unprocessed cocaine should be legal.

Opiates and Amphetamines are a different story. This is the shit that drags down entire communities and demographics.

Noone's ever heard of an "LSD junkie". Hell I know a guy that took it every day for a summer and now he gets research grants for his work in oceanography. Stoners are more or less unemployable dipshits but legalizing weed reduces cartel crime, and the government gets taxes from it. I know from my uncle who legally owns a medical dispensary; the guy barely turns a profit and Uncle Sam makes a killing. He's regulated up the ass and 99.99% of his customers are wheelchair bound cancer victims and veterans. He's not in CA where having a little headache entitles you to a medical card. Raw coca leaf gives a nice stimulant buzz not unlike caffeine. Hell even good quality blow just makes you think you're the most interesting person in the world for 20 minutes and gives you a giant ego boost.

But in my years delving into that underworld, I've only seen people permafry or do permanent, fucked-up-for-life damage with opiates or amphetamines. Pill poppers, junkies, and meth heads. I'd be totally fine with a Duterte-style approach to those substances.

Post: #115

(09-08-2016 09:14 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I'm a father and unlikebache' many fathers who live in the hives I understand what the term "village" actually infers. You're talking about drug laws and their enforcement as if it's some sort of community standard written by the community and enforced by the community but it's absolutely nothing of the sort.

It's a community standard written by the flighty cloud people of far away DCland and enforced by men who would lock up the entire community if the community decided to take matters into their own hands.

I have already agreed that the police are over-militarized and the prisons are poorly administered. This is true for enforcement of ALL our criminal laws, not merely drug laws. Legalization of drugs would not eliminate this problem. I have taken matters into my own hands many times throughout my life and I've avoided lock-up almost every time (my child-custody war was the one exception). Although my private security/investigations background has assisted me in knowing how to deal with cops, I will admit.

Leonard D Neubache Wrote:You said "we have a standard". The cloud people said "we hear you, but we're going to interpret it and also remove your ability to police our interpretation or your own for that matter".

So if the cloud people want you poor and impoverished then they rake in money flooding your "village" with drugs and laugh behind your back as you defend not only their schemes but the police state they build up around you WHILE THE DRUG PROBLEM STILL GETS WORSE BY THE DAY.

This is partially true. Soros money is a problem that Dalrymple and I identified above. But incompetence in government is a far greater factor than Soros money. There are problems with government, that's for sure. Legalizing drugs will not fix those problems.

Leonard D Neubache Wrote:And here you are concerned that you might have to do murder to protect your girl, while ignoring the fact that the police state refusing to do it's job will still put you away for life (or worse) for doing the job they laughably refuse to DAY AFTER DAY.

I agree with your identification of problems with current abuse of police power, I do not agree that legalization of drugs is the solution to those problems. If you legalize drugs, there will still be crime and over-militarized police failing to do the job of enforcement properly.

Leonard D Neubache Wrote:But you know what they say about insanity. Same actions. Expecting different results.

The situation is bad, but we can make it worse with bad policy decisions.

Leonard D Neubache Wrote:No offence, really. I feel your pain. But you're defending the real monsters while villainising the ghetto parasites they create.

I didn't take offense. I enjoy debating. I still disagree with you, however. I'm not defending monsters, I'm disagreeing with a policy change recommendation, namely legalization of illicit drugs. The real monsters and the ghetto parasites would still be there after this bad policy change, if it were made (which it won't). And the ghetto parasites are not innocent by the way. Just because someone is pathetic does not mean he is not evil.

Cheers.

Post: #116

I agree that the safe injection sites, needles exchanges and the DTES of Vancouver are a huge eye sore and it appalling that the public, especially children, have to watch out for used needles in the streets and parking in one of the best cities in the world to live. However, I've only been to the DTES since Insite has existed so I don't know if there were that many junkies there throwing their rigs all over the places 10+ years ago. I don't know why Vancouver has so many addicts but if I had to guess it would be due to the fact that its the only big city in Canada where a drug addict or drunk can pass out in January and not wake up dead so degenerates from all over Canada flock there en masse.

Anyway, one thing I do know is that on the east coast of Canada we had an explosion of opiate addiction in the past ten years due to doctors over prescribing them and in some cases, prescribing them when they shouldn't have. Basically these docs were handing out Oxys and dilaudids like Pez candies to everyone with an ache or pain. It got so bad that some doctors were sent to jail (some for fucking female patients for pills) and the pharmaceutical companies developed coated pills which can't be broken down to snort or put in a rig. So due to the law of unintended consequences, we now have heroin on the east coast because the junkies can't get their pills so organized crime filled the void with street dope, much of which is actually fenatyl and we've seen a major spike in overdoses and deaths across Canada because of it.

Also, I'm not a drug promoter or a huge proponent of the upcoming legalization of marijuana in Canada (I didn't vote Trudeau) but if its going to happen, then I"m okay with it since I am a recreational user myself and think that the examples set by Colorado and other US states show that it can work. I"m not trying to convince anyone, if anything, I am open to being convinced that the legalization of marijuana in Canada is a bad thing but based on the arguments I see here, I"m still ok with it.

Post: #117

(09-08-2016 09:14 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It's a community standard written by the flighty cloud people of far away DCland and enforced by men who would lock up the entire community if the community decided to take matters into their own hands.

This.

The biggest issue, Ghost, in terms of protecting your kids, is that you're paying for those fuckers. That money they receive, imagine if that was all pooled into a neighborhood watch and social policing program?

Drug illegalisation is delivered by some beaurocrat in some capital city somewhere who doesn't give a shit about your kids. But he'll happily forcibly charge you for it, every year, and woe betide you if you resist.

Every time men defer to such a government, they disempower themselves from fixing the problem themselves. They help remove the impetus from their neighbours to do the same -- "oh the cops should be taking care of it!" and back to watching the TV.

I would envision, under decentralization and full discrimination rights, a "front" of social drug policing, steady expanding outwards, pushing druggos out into the gutters of the world. Gating of communities, which then link up upon agreeing they have common interests, all equipped with neighborhood watch patrols (size depending on situation), community judges, and ostracisation powers. That's basically how it has traditionally always gone down.

Deferring to government douchebags, who do nothing more than play a good "tough talk" and intimidation game, is not a solution.

Post: #118

^ A much more diplomatic post than mine. Well said.

Post: #119

(09-09-2016 07:27 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  ...

Cheers.

Thanks for a non-emo reply to my somewhat emo post.

Truth be told no two places in the world can be governed the same way. Sane policy will only have a chance to flourish if the old order is washed away. Collectivism has enmeshed everything. No single strand (drug laws) can be pulled from the tangled mess of entitlements and obligations.

Post: #120

(09-09-2016 08:04 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  The biggest issue, Ghost, in terms of protecting your kids, is that you're paying for those fuckers. That money they receive, imagine if that was all pooled into a neighborhood watch and social policing program?

Yes, you're talking about the "third sector" of the economy (between the "first sector" - private business and the "second sector" - government) and it has always been best-suited to handle a wide variety of social issues.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/defini...ector.html

Development of the third sector is a noble goal, but it does not require legalization of drugs. Legalization of drugs would not free up tax money for third sector development because:

1) crime would still go on and the same amount of tax money would go to enforcement;

2) if you funded it with tax money, it would cease to be third sector and become second sector (government).

Resources for effective development of the third sector have always come from the first sector, the private sector. The government fucks up everything it touches. If drugs were legalized, the government bureaucrats would not suddenly say, "Oh let's give ourselves pay cuts and put that money into neighborhood watch and social policing!" You know this. A rich businessman WILL engage in philanthropic community-building. Trump is known to quietly go around the kitchens of his favourite restaurants and slip $100 bills to the staff members. Bureaucrats, on the other hand, like to flash their government ID and hope that the restaurant owner will bribe them with a free meal. Yes we need to reduce the size of the government, especially in Canada. Legalization of drugs will not advance this goal.

Post: #121

(09-09-2016 08:15 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Thanks for a non-emo reply to my somewhat emo post.

Classy statement right there. Well done.

Post: #122

(09-09-2016 08:04 AM)scotian Wrote:  I agree that the safe injection sites, needles exchanges and the DTES of Vancouver are a huge eye sore and it appalling that the public, especially children, have to watch out for used needles in the streets and parking in one of the best cities in the world to live. However, I've only been to the DTES since Insite has existed so I don't know if there were that many junkies there throwing their rigs all over the places 10+ years ago. I don't know why Vancouver has so many addicts but if I had to guess it would be due to the fact that its the only big city in Canada where a drug addict or drunk can pass out in January and not wake up dead so degenerates from all over Canada flock there en masse.

Anyway, one thing I do know is that on the east coast of Canada we had an explosion of opiate addiction in the past ten years due to doctors over prescribing them and in some cases, prescribing them when they shouldn't have. Basically these docs were handing out Oxys and dilaudids like Pez candies to everyone with an ache or pain. It got so bad that some doctors were sent to jail (some for fucking female patients for pills) and the pharmaceutical companies developed coated pills which can't be broken down to snort or put in a rig. So due to the law of unintended consequences, we now have heroin on the east coast because the junkies can't get their pills so organized crime filled the void with street dope, much of which is actually fenatyl and we've seen a major spike in overdoses and deaths across Canada because of it.

Also, I'm not a drug promoter or a huge proponent of the upcoming legalization of marijuana in Canada (I didn't vote Trudeau) but if its going to happen, then I"m okay with it since I am a recreational user myself and think that the examples set by Colorado and other US states show that it can work. I"m not trying to convince anyone, if anything, I am open to being convinced that the legalization of marijuana in Canada is a bad thing but based on the arguments I see here, I"m still ok with it.

A larger part of it is that Vancouver has, at least since I moved here 15 years ago, been pushing for more social housing. It is something that is on the news everyday, 365 days a year. Its like tourette syndrome here with social housing, and believe it or not it makes or breaks civic parties. But its one thing that we will never be able to build our selves out of. Every junkie we buy an apartment for, 3 more come into town looking for their central location, free flat too.

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Humans have been altering their conciousness with numerous chemicals since our beginning.
Cocaine and Heroin were both legal at the turn of the century in America, literally the Golden Age of our country.
The war on drugs is just like the war on terror. It is our taxes paying for an unwinnable and never-ending war that is actually being waged against our civil rights and not only will never be won but it will never end. The cognitive dissonance is astounding. The war on drugs and terror is used to militarize our police forces and turn their abuses on honest citizens.
The nature of the red pill must reveal that people will continue to use drugs even if the death penalty is a deterrent.
The war on drugs and terror is the biggest waste and abuse of public money and trust that has ever existed.
Give me a break and open your eyes. All this money spent on the war on drugs and the US prison system inmate population has increased %500 since 1973. The Prison Industrial Complex based on the war on drugs is as big as a fraud perpetrated on the American taxpayer as is the MIC and the war on terror. People will continue altering their conciousness with their drug of choice regardless of any government intervention.
As Peter Tosh so eloquently said: LEGALIZE IT.
No true Libertarian can agree with legislation that prohibits me from putting whatever I feel like inside my body.
All the ill effects of drugs come from them being illegal, which makes them expensive, which causes crime and criminal elements to become larger than governments like during Prohibition or what is going on now in Mexico.
Abre los ojos, por favor, mis amigos.

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Quote:No true Libertarian can agree with legislation that prohibits me from putting whatever I feel like inside my body.

It takes me very little effort to portray all libertarians as either selfish, parasitical, broken-brained, or all three simultaneously. So if "true libertarianism" is your strongest argument, you'd better get a stronger one.

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(09-09-2016 11:56 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

Quote:No true Libertarian can agree with legislation that prohibits me from putting whatever I feel like inside my body.

It takes me very little effort to portray all libertarians as either selfish, parasitical, broken-brained, or all three simultaneously. So if "true libertarianism" is your strongest argument, you'd better get a stronger one.

Or you could read my entire post.