Post: #751

Teedub, yes I am a new member but I have been a follower of ROK for sometime now.

I have seen your posts and memes on this forum and it is obvious to me where your slant/bias/loyalty is.

So what if the video has been posted 4 times. It should be posted 40 more until people finally understand which side Tommy actually works for and the game that’s being played on us.

The mental gymnastics and excuse making be damned. It’s not that complicated.

Post: #752

I wrote a long and detailed response to that video and you've not come back and challenged any of it. You've done the intellectual equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears to viewpoints that differ from your misconceptions. The anti-TR crew throw out accusations but go silent whenever challenged to provide evidence or at least elaborate on their assertions.

When Richard Spencer is in jail fighting against Muslim gangs, having to deal with plots to throw acid on his wife etc I might take the rhetoric more seriously. If you think Tommy works for someone nefarious, name some names and explain why they'd let him get chucked in jail etc and why Tommy would continue to work for such a person(s).

Post: #753

Teedub I wont get lost or go down any rabbit holes or circular pointless arguments with you.

Quote:Tommy Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley Lennon was charged with Mortgage Fraud amounting to 160 000 pounds over six months. Robinson was a fixer for fraudulent mortgage broker Deborah Rothschild

So a dodgy guy who consorts and does dodgy illegal shit with (((them))) Proclaims he is a Zionist, wont dare criticize Jewish/Zionist lobbyists that push open border policy and flood Britain with the undesirables he is agitating against. Essentially calls other nationalist British parties racist and literally hitler's.

Did you not see the color drain from his face when asked by the interviewer "aren't Zionists Israel first". That long awkward pause 'Ive been found out'

Controlled opposition, divide and conquer.

Post: #754

It wasn't a look of "I've been found out", simply "I don't really full understand what Zionist means, but I know Muslims hate them so by default I like it". I'll repost something gework said many pages ago, it's relevant:

Quote:I'm not a fan of the controlled opposition narratives. You need a lot of evidence to pin those theories down. Most controlled opposition theories are very thin and often based on little more than if a small company owned by non-practicing Jews advertise with you. Other than mainstream people, the only figure I'm really suspicious of being a plant is Glenn Beck, but it could just be he is insane. Spencer may be controlled. I don't really care. I don't spend any time thinking about him, or ANTIFA, or any other fringe irrelevant group.

On Robinson, as mentioned, he is working class. I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in the UK the working class has virtually zero representation anywhere in society. They've all been purged from the anti-Labour party, virtually nothing in the media, the schools are mainly run by white middle-class women. All the affirmative action that used to be afforded them (which wasn't much) has been done away with in favour of Labour's radical Muslims and multiclturalism. I really can't see how anti-Labour have held on to so much of the working class vote. But even in the last election there was about a 7% decline in working class support for Labour with a democratic socialist leader who rolled back some of the metro-Blairism. If you look at places like Stoke, they used to get 70-80% for Labour with very good turn outs. Now the turnout has waned to close to 50% and the fake Conservative Party managed to claw a seat there for the first time in 100 years. It's not hard to find the utter contempt the left bourgeois have for the working class. Check out the Tommy Robinson Twitter parody. That's how the bourgeois talk about the working class when the mics are off. They could roll out the same contempt for the medieval religious opinions of many Muslims, FGM, immigrant crime and violence, but that doesn't do anything for them.

I'm really pleased to see a working class guy fighting against all the odds, not holding back who is now at the point where the mainstream upper-middle class have no idea how to deal with him.

On the topic of Jews. In my work I provide assistance to several entities relating to fraud and terrorism: a few big marketing companies, two of the top ten most traversed airports and a body that deals with vetting immigrants etc. The latter body is all-Jewish. My contact is one or two clicks away from Netenyahu, Trump, Geert Wilders, Douglas Murray... They are a big critic of the EU approach to Islam and says the borders to Europe need to be shut, mosques regulated and a very hard line needs to be taken with Islam. They're pretty much in lock step with the likes of Douglas Murray or Tommy Robinson. They think that European countries should act as Israel does. Some Jews think like this, many don't and as such are paving the way to their own destruction. This is the same position as Ezra Levant: pro-Western civilisation and pro-Israel as a Jewish state.

Post: #755

Farage at it again!





I mean, TR is a thug, but a good one, I'm talking about the actual contents of the video. The comments are 90% on our side, the ones that aren't are by people with names such as "iamreg1965", says it all really.

Post: #756

He's getting there.



The video in question.

Post: #757

Recent speech by DM.

Post: #758

TOMMY ROBINSON IS FALSE OPPOSITION





"Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, known by the pseudonym Tommy Robinson, and previously as Andrew McMaster, Paul Harris and Wayne King, is an English far-right activist serving as a political adviser to the Leader of the UK Independence Party, Gerard Batten since November 2018." Wikipedia









"THE BEST WAY TO CONTROL THE OPPOSITION IS TO LEAD IT OURSELVES " Lenin.




by Brian M

(henrymakow.com)








The name "Tommy" was given to British soldiers in W W 2 and Robinson is a British name often taken by jews to hide their identity and goals the BBC has a head reporter called Nick Robinson and an entertainer called Tony Robinson, who use British names but are actually Jewish.





Tommy Robinson or any of his five aliases is head of a political group who proclaims

an anti Muslim stance, and of course he is a secret jew as is his his helper Jayda Frantzen.




Tommy Robinson made a lot of noisy publicity about Muslim rape gangs targeting young kids.



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(Was Tony Blair Janner's bumboy?)




This was at the exact time when Jew Greville Janner was being chased by police for years of abusing small boys in care homes, But Janner as head of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, used diplomatic immunity regulations, and several members of his gang, which comprised Leon Britten The Amazing James Randi, Yuri Geller, The Kray twins, Stephen Fry Lucien Freud Jimmy Saville David Kaplan, Paul Gambaccini and 17 other jews, escaped back to Israel or into hiding.




So Tommy is a Zio agent who is not working for Brits at all but for Israel making trouble between Christian and Muslim for the benefit of the Zionists.




Yes Tommy Robinson is paid opposition.

Post: #759

It baffles me how so many people can be mislead by complete gatekeeping shills like Yaxley-Lennon. People don't like to be told that they're being deceived, especially once they develop some kind of fan-like personal devotion to their ideological pied piper.

He will never speak out about who is behind the immigration problem, I guess that's not part of his (((contract))). In Tommy's world, Barbara Lerner Specter doesn't really exist.

Post: #760

I'd be the first to point out Zionist scullduggery but Tommy takes the shekels because ALL other financial options to support his family have been ruthlessly shut down. He has no choice. If he truly were a Zionist shill he would not have spent so much time in prison over bullshit charges. The UK government does not persecute Zionists.

Tommy's critics here all hide behind anonymity. Let's see you go full JQ red pill with your face on a tabloid front page and everyone knowing the town you live in.

Post: #761

@rotekz if one does not wish to call them out and risk the Zionist mafia’s fury, that’s fine, but if you don’t address the root of the problem then you are just a distraction.

I wouldn’t care if he did what he does but when he attacks other real nationalist groups, so openly lobbies for Israel, has worked and been a fall guy convicted of criminal activities for a Rothschild and only seems to want to incite hatred for Islam to support Zionist wars you have to ask yourself who’s side he is really on.

Post: #762

Aszhaeleos - exactly.

The one key point zio-nationalist miss is that without the zionist wars, there is no migrant tsunami. The Barbara Lerner Specters and right-wing zionists work together like two scissor blades, you need both to have a migrant crisis. First you have the neocons destroying countries like Libya, Syria, Iraq, destabilize the Sahel, while the leftie side establishes the legal framework (see Marakesh treaty), the local "diversity" propaganda and the NGOs to get the caravans going. The two sides need each other for the mass migrant process to unfurl.

(12-23-2018 05:42 PM)rotekz Wrote:  I'd be the first to point out Zionist scullduggery but Tommy takes the shekels because ALL other financial options to support his family have been ruthlessly shut down. He has no choice. If he truly were a Zionist shill he would not have spent so much time in prison over bullshit charges. The UK government does not persecute Zionists.

Tommy's critics here all hide behind anonymity. Let's see you go full JQ red pill with your face on a tabloid front page and everyone knowing the town you live in.

Tommy deliberately broke the law, crossing a clearly-delimited legal line, with curiously not much to gain from this, other than getting himself in a short jail sentence. He was able to leverage his few months of jail time, catapulting his fame and building his whole martyr persona with British patriots rightfully outraged by the paki grooming gang horror and coverups.

Those few months in jail were worth millions in PR, a no-brainer for someone who has already been there. He's set for life financially, like the other professional zio-dissidents, people like Hirsi Ali who have no real talent other than being "islam bad/zionism awesome" one-note dissidents for hire. Tommy was a small-time operator, it's not like he's ruined his career, he was already a convicted fraudster. He doesn't have much to lose and stands to gain by shilling for arguably the most powerful and deep-pocketed global interest group, great gig if you're willing to compromise.

If he were a real dissident, he would have been thrown in jail for years for his drug possession and £160,000 mortgage scam. His profile is actually typical of legally compromised figures who get sprung up by the deep state in exchange for leniency.

This same interest group backing Tommy has been relentlessly hounding real dissidents like Ryssen, Le Lay or Soral in France. These guys get jail sentences just for breathing, getting nailed to the cross for pure thought crimes. They are aggressively hunted down by activist judges and tried in kangaroo courts. These guys are in more dire financial and personal situations than Tommy, but would never sell out for 30 pieces of silver because they are upright citizens who understand who their real enemies are, and who is pulling the strings. Their only crime is that they've figured things out and they've courageously conveyed that message, whereas Tommy is there to actually obscure that big picture.

In any case Tommy's supporters are by and large too emotionally invested in his cause, which - on its surface - seems like a noble one, so he's become a kind of lionized, untouchable figure for his fans. That's the characteristic of all great gatekeepers (see Noam Chomsky, deep state operative who is idolized by lefties).

Post: #763

(12-23-2018 08:21 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  @rotekz if one does not wish to call them out and risk the Zionist mafia’s fury, that’s fine, but if you don’t address the root of the problem then you are just a distraction.

A distraction to you maybe. You do realise red-pillers are a tiny, insignificant minority right? Who are you to say who gets to campaign on what issues? Tommy is a single-issue activist focused on Islam and no amount of whining about it is going to alter that reality.

He is in the mainstream media glare and the JQ is too toxic a subject for ANY person to handle without getting destroyed. Tommy's situation is already very fragile and when I see people urging him in obviously suicidal directions I have to question their motives. He has common sense, nous, and is operating in survival mode. All attempts to get him to step on the JQ landmine will fail.

(12-23-2018 08:31 PM)911 Wrote:  Tommy deliberately broke the law, crossing a clearly-delimited legal line, with curiously not much to gain from this, other than getting himself in a short jail sentence.

He was doing his job as a journalist to earn an income for his wife and kids. Maybe you think Rebel Media would have preferred him to be reporting on the local school fete?

(12-23-2018 08:31 PM)911 Wrote:  He was able to leverage his few months of jail time, catapulting his fame and building his whole martyr persona with British patriots rightfully outraged by the paki grooming gang horror and cover-ups. Those few months in jail were worth millions in PR, a no-brainer for someone who has already been there.

When you are into conspiracies for a long time it can be hard to accept innocent explanations. The cynicism always prevails. Even to the point where you would think that Tommy would want to seriously risk murder as Jihadi Target #1 in a Muslim dominated UK jail to raise his media profile for even more shekels? This is simply preposterous and ridiculous. You have no grasp of the situation whatsoever.

(12-23-2018 08:31 PM)911 Wrote:  Tommy was a small-time operator, it's not like he's ruined his career, he was already a convicted fraudster. He doesn't have much to lose and stands to gain by shilling for arguably the most powerful and deep-pocketed global interest group, great gig if you're willing to compromise.

First of all if you bother to read Tommy's book you will know that he was blackmailed into taking the fall for his brother's mortgage charge. They threatened to put his wife in court as a witness if he didn't. This would have stripped her of her anonymity, placing her picture in the papers. Any Jihadi walking around Luton, and there are many, would subsequently recognise her and probably whilst she took the kids to school.

Secondly you have it arse-about-face: He was doing alright with the Rebel Media. After more than a decade of turmoil, persecution and stints in jail on bogus charges, being able to work as a journalist, although still with its risks, and reporting on the problem that has personally affected him and his family and so blighted this country ought to have been satisfactory. But people here expect us to believe that he would risk throwing away this financial lifeline and relatively stable situation to further a sinister Zionist agenda. Cloud-cuckoo-land ideological thinking.

(12-23-2018 08:31 PM)911 Wrote:  If he were a real dissident, he would have been thrown in jail for years for his drug possession[ and £160,000 mortgage scam.

I may be wrong but the only reference to drug possession I can find is where his partner got cautioned over a decade ago. Not jail-worthy by any stretch.

The 'mortgage scam' I covered above. He was blackmailed to be the fall guy for his brother, and HE DID go to jail. A maximum security jail. Nobody ever goes to a maximum security jail over a mortgage charge. Tommy did and they sent him there so Muslim terrorists would assassinate him on their behalf. Murder by prison jihadi.

Post: #764

Tommy Robinson is cointelpro?

Oh man...just ruined Christmas.

Post: #765

(12-23-2018 04:00 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  snip

What was that unorganised mess you posted? I thought you weren't into politics anyway, especially not things like the "JQ". Seems you're just ruffling feathers.

Rotekz: excellent points in both of your posts, we don't always see eye-to-eye on this subject, or at least didn't used to, but it seems you've come around somewhat. These lot just throw out accusations, people like me (and Simeon, and now yourself) spend half an hour (or longer!) writing detailed refutations then they scutter off only to return a week later with the same original accusations. It's very time-wasting and highly irritating having to reiterate points you've made repeatedly since about page 10 of this thread. Interestingly, most of the people who I debated with got banned quickly (Dragan and Sasquatch come to mind), 911 is the only member who has remained because he provides good value overall and is a good poster too, but has some particular hangup about TR.

Quote:When you are into conspiracies for a long time it can be hard to accept innocent explanations. The cynicism always prevails. Even to the point where you would think that Tommy would want to seriously risk murder as Jihadi Target #1 in a Muslim dominated UK jail to raise his media profile for even more shekels? This is simply preposterous and ridiculous. You have no grasp of the situation whatsoever.

Haha, very true. I see it a lot on the internet about various topics.

Again, I'll repost gework's post from many pages back. A lot of these American alt-right guys, as I've said MULTIPLE times, simply don't understand the British dynamics that are at play:

"I'm not a fan of the controlled opposition narratives. You need a lot of evidence to pin those theories down. Most controlled opposition theories are very thin and often based on little more than if a small company owned by non-practicing Jews advertise with you. Other than mainstream people, the only figure I'm really suspicious of being a plant is Glenn Beck, but it could just be he is insane. Spencer may be controlled. I don't really care. I don't spend any time thinking about him, or ANTIFA, or any other fringe irrelevant group.

On Robinson, as mentioned, he is working class. I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in the UK the working class has virtually zero representation anywhere in society. They've all been purged from the anti-Labour party, virtually nothing in the media, the schools are mainly run by white middle-class women. All the affirmative action that used to be afforded them (which wasn't much) has been done away with in favour of Labour's radical Muslims and multiclturalism. I really can't see how anti-Labour have held on to so much of the working class vote. But even in the last election there was about a 7% decline in working class support for Labour with a democratic socialist leader who rolled back some of the metro-Blairism. If you look at places like Stoke, they used to get 70-80% for Labour with very good turn outs. Now the turnout has waned to close to 50% and the fake Conservative Party managed to claw a seat there for the first time in 100 years. It's not hard to find the utter contempt the left bourgeois have for the working class. Check out the Tommy Robinson Twitter parody. That's how the bourgeois talk about the working class when the mics are off. They could roll out the same contempt for the medieval religious opinions of many Muslims, FGM, immigrant crime and violence, but that doesn't do anything for them.

I'm really pleased to see a working class guy fighting against all the odds, not holding back who is now at the point where the mainstream upper-middle class have no idea how to deal with him.

On the topic of Jews. In my work I provide assistance to several entities relating to fraud and terrorism: a few big marketing companies, two of the top ten most traversed airports and a body that deals with vetting immigrants etc. The latter body is all-Jewish. My contact is one or two clicks away from Netenyahu, Trump, Geert Wilders, Douglas Murray... They are a big critic of the EU approach to Islam and says the borders to Europe need to be shut, mosques regulated and a very hard line needs to be taken with Islam. They're pretty much in lock step with the likes of Douglas Murray or Tommy Robinson. They think that European countries should act as Israel does. Some Jews think like this, many don't and as such are paving the way to their own destruction. This is the same position as Ezra Levant: pro-Western civilisation and pro-Israel as a Jewish state."

911: Obviously my previous detailed responses didn't work, so at least watch the following video. Nobody on here can question Millennial Woes (who has been doxxed yet continues to show his face etc) and Morgoth on their 'JQ-discussion-credentials', but even they acknowledge the good he does. He's also a gateway, not a gatekeeper, even if that's not his intention. He was for me, at least.





Oh and Merry Christmas all, including the anti-Tommy crew! This is simply an intellectual discussion, not a flame war.

Post: #766

British nationalist party was approached by (((Neocon)) American backers in 2007 offering financial aid on the condition they only focus on Islam and to stop criticizing the banking system. The BNP declined and then found themselves under assault and new 'kosher' parties formed such as the English Defence League to divide and co-opt their power base.





When Tommy left the BNP to form the EDL he accused the leader as a 'holocaust denier', criticized the former group as "backward, inbred, far right Nazi's" and that his party was designed to keep those people out.

So what does Tommy politically stand for and what direction does he wish to take the 'alt right'?

Pro Zionist, pro gay, pro multiculturalism (just not Islam), anti white nationalist.

When he started the EDL (which he has now left stating they were becoming too nationalistic and far right) he created a Sikh division, a Gay and lesbian division and a Jewish division within the party.

Don't get me wrong heavy criticism of Islam and Muslim migration in the west is very much warranted but there are just way too many question marks and evidence of Zionist subversion in what he is doing.

Post: #767

(12-25-2018 08:58 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  British nationalist party was approached by (((Neocon)) American backers in 2007 offering financial aid on the condition they only focus on Islam and to stop criticizing the banking system. The BNP declined and then found themselves under assault and new 'kosher' parties formed such as the English Defence League to divide and co-opt their power base.

Conflating a white nationalist political party running candidates for parliamentary seats with an anti-Islamification street movement is dishonest. They were nothing like each other.

The alleged BNP reaction to US backers is irrelevant when the year before on their website they posted the following:

Quote:Nationalism and Israel

28th July 2006

News article filed by BNP news team

Brimstone’s latest contribution “nationalism and Israel” is certain to arouse discussion amongst seasoned nationalists on one hand and on the other those detractors who still falsely label the BNP as an anti-Semitic party.

The BNP has moved on in recent years, casting off the leg-irons of conspiracy theories and the thinly veiled anti-Semitism which has held this party back for two decades. The real enemies of the British people are home grown Anglo-Saxon Celtic liberal-leftists who seek to destroy the family as the building blocks of society and impose multiculturalism on a reluctant indigenous population and the Crescent Horde – the endless wave of Islamics who are flocking to our shores to bring our island nations into the embrace of their barbaric desert religion

(12-25-2018 08:58 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  When Tommy left the BNP to form the EDL he accused the leader as a 'holocaust denier',

Yes, as already mentioned Tommy is not red-pilled and does not know the truth of the holocaust. He correctly said that Nick Griffin had denied the holocaust.




I don't doubt that Nick is being sincere here but... just like Tommy he is wrong. Neither know the full picture. There *was* large scale extermination of the Jews but not millions at Auschwitz, that was a lie invented to create the Holocaust Disneyland there. The real extermination was organised without Hitler's knowledge by Himmler and others much further east at the Reinhard camps Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka. The truth of the holocaust is somewhere between the two extreme positions and you need to be a dedicated historian to discover this.

Watch the last hour of this David Irving video to see him talk about it in much greater detail.

(12-25-2018 08:58 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  [Tommy]....criticized the former group as "backward, inbred, far right Nazi's" and that his party was designed to keep those people out.

This is correct (except for the EDL being a 'party'): they did not want it to be like the BNP i.e. focused on racial issues, hostile to non-white members/guests, full of roman-saluting skinheads/shills. Many of these I believe were undercover police, intelligence agencies and far left groups. Pose as a skin-head then sieg heil for the media cameras. The easiest way to make sure a movement never gets mainstream traction. Tommy knew this, so he fought hard to keep them out.

(12-25-2018 08:58 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  So what does Tommy politically stand for and what direction does he wish to take the 'alt right'?

Are you a shill? You sure write like one. Tommy has absolutely nothing to do with the Alt-Right. Everyone knows this and your statement is deeply suspicious.

(12-25-2018 08:58 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  Pro Zionist, pro gay, pro multiculturalism (just not Islam), anti white nationalist.

Pro-Israel: Yes. He supports their right to exist as a nation, just like every other nation.
Pro-Zionist as *we* understand the supremacist Zionist agenda historically: No. That is a stretch because Tommy does not have a sound historical education, just like most Brits that have gone through our state schools.
Pro-gay: He's not anti gay, but he does not promote it either. The EDL accepted gays but to say Tommy personally promoted homosexuality is BS.
Pro-Multicultural: Yes. He is a civic-nationalist and still believes it can work. A good many of his Luton buddies are non-white so this is hardly a revelation.
Anti-white nationalist: Yes. White nationalist movements don't go anywhere as proved by the BNP. They also contain armies of subversive elements that ensure the group gets no mainstream traction.

(12-25-2018 08:58 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  Don't get me wrong heavy criticism of Islam and Muslim migration in the west is very much warranted but there are just way too many question marks and evidence of Zionist subversion in what he is doing.

Bull. You are trying to discredit and destroy the support for a high-profile civic nationalist because they quite wisely refuse to adopt the JQ as a public position.

Post: #768

I'm almost 100% sure Tommy is slightly to the right of demographics-denying Sargon types. He posts frequently about anti-white stuff on his facebook, and is openly friends with Martin Sellner. Privately he's probably where I sit = UK/Europe should be majority white, but some non-whites are no problem. This is the same position as PJW. Lastly, not all Jews are bad. The ones who support Tommy are the ones gework alluded to... pro-Israel as a nation, but also pro-European civilization. This would be people like Ezra Levant and David Horowitz. Finally, Tommy grew up in Luton, a place where Synagogues get smashed up on a monthly basis and Jews get spat at by Muslims—all of which is documented with cameras in his Oxford speech. Is it any surprise he's sympathetic to them? Again, for the zillionth time... Britain isn't America where Jews seem to be some kind of protected class. Muslims are here.

If I didn't have non-white friends/extended family, I might think differently regarding demographics, as the ethnonationalists make very robust arguments for 100% ethnostates. But we're all products of our environment, and think emotionally first and then intellectually rationalise our position afterwards. Yes, including right wing people.

Anyway, this is all just circular argumentation. You guys post videos we've already seen, and we post videos you refuse to watch (Tommy's Oxford speech, Millennial Woes' defence of him etc). I've used the phrase 'Keyboard Kommandants' before, and as such one of the most pertinent points rotekz made is: "Tommy's critics here all hide behind anonymity. Let's see you go full JQ red pill with your face on a tabloid front page and everyone knowing the town you live in."

Post: #769

It amazes me that liberal civic nationalist dreamers act morally self righteous above European ethnocentrists yet endorse hyper ethnocentric Zionist Israel with indifference or as morally just.

European nationalists are not dropping phosphorus or one tonne bombs on densely populated people. They are not bulldozing suburbs confiscating vast tracks of land, carrying out large scale geopolitical expansionist warfare or holding people hostage in open air apartheid prisons under oppressive conditions.

They just want their countries back from the people that have usurped all control, destroyed their culture and are displacing them at a rate congruent with the internationally recognized law of genocide.

Cry me a river at the so called Jewish victimhood from Muslims in western countries or the Nazi rhetoric. The zionists who “only want a homeland of their own” lobbied and fought subversively and ruthlessly to move them in. It shouldn’t even need explaining if you truly knew what was going on. How the fuck can you trust them.

As far as goading me to dox myself to prove a point, that is utterly ridiculous. I do know for damn sure I wouldn’t be inciting jihadists and deliberately incriminating myself with a parole stunt to serve some jail time if I didn’t have some powerful backers/protection and following a script.

Post: #770

Nobody is suggesting you "dox yourself" to prove a point. It's simply pointing out a hypocrisy in Tommy's critics where they want him to risk his livelihood (finances and safety) more than he already does, just to rally against their particular pet topic (usually JQ), whereas they themselves aren't even willing to do anything remotely close to what he does in terms of self risk. As Simeon said many pages back, 99.9% of this forum wouldn't go through what he does for $1m a year, let alone the $100,000 - $200,000 he purportedly makes according to some.

Post: #771

(12-24-2018 06:53 AM)sterlingarcher Wrote:  Tommy Robinson is cointelpro?

Or the efforts to discredit him are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad-jacketing

Quote:Bad-Jacketing is "the practice of creating suspicion—through the spreading of rumors, manufacture of evidence, etc.—that bona fide organizational members, usually in key positions, are FBI/police informers, guilty of such offenses as skimming organization funds."[1] Scholar Mark Anthony Neal writes that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) under J. Edgar Hoover used the technique against the Black Panther Party and other Black Power organizations as part of its COINTELPRO operations.[1] Neal writes that this technique was effective in isolating key individuals, forcing them out of the organization, and that its effectiveness was enhanced by the tendency of Black Power activists to divide among "rigid racial, ideological, and increasingly gendered" lines.[1]

Jo Durden-Smith claims that this technique was used by U.S. prison guards to undermine targeted prisoners and so making them vulnerable to manipulation.[2]

They've tried to turn him before, and he's talked about it.

My gut feeling is this could quite easily be a "pick your battles" or "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of thing. It's kind of hard to be at war with radical Islam AND Jewish people at the same time.

Post: #772

(12-26-2018 11:18 AM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(12-24-2018 06:53 AM)sterlingarcher Wrote:  Tommy Robinson is cointelpro?

Or the efforts to discredit him are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad-jacketing

Quote:Bad-Jacketing is "the practice of creating suspicion—through the spreading of rumors, manufacture of evidence, etc.—that bona fide organizational members, usually in key positions, are FBI/police informers, guilty of such offenses as skimming organization funds."[1] Scholar Mark Anthony Neal writes that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) under J. Edgar Hoover used the technique against the Black Panther Party and other Black Power organizations as part of its COINTELPRO operations.[1] Neal writes that this technique was effective in isolating key individuals, forcing them out of the organization, and that its effectiveness was enhanced by the tendency of Black Power activists to divide among "rigid racial, ideological, and increasingly gendered" lines.[1]

Jo Durden-Smith claims that this technique was used by U.S. prison guards to undermine targeted prisoners and so making them vulnerable to manipulation.[2]

They've tried to turn him before, and he's talked about it.

My gut feeling is this could quite easily be a "pick your battles" or "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of thing. It's kind of hard to be at war with radical Islam AND Jewish people at the same time.

Good post. Anybody encouraging you to purity spiral on fringe issues (by popular standards) should be treated with extreme suspicion. Tommy's entire raison d'être is fighting the Islamification of many parts of the UK, because he witnessed the results first hand. It's not his calling to ask the "JQ" or go after LGBTBBQ freaks anymore than it's the NRA's—are you gonna go and tell everyone who wants to defend their 2nd amendment rights in America to make sure to pick the most anti-semitic gun lobbying arm to give their money to, else they're a cuck?

Tommy is not someone who derives his worldview from browsing forums, or from reading Plato and Aristotle, but from practical experience, personally observing the small slice of the world unfolding around him. He hasn't experienced his friends' daughters being groomed and raped by Jews, so they're not high on his list of concerns. To say I shouldn't support him for this is ludicrous: I wouldn't give a shit if he was an ardent feminist—it's not the cause he's dedicated and risked his life for, so why should I care? Until he starts going after people on the right for muh homophobia, muh misogyny or muh anti-semitism, his beliefs on issues he's not involved in fighting are irrelevant. They guy's not setting himself up as supreme dictator of the UK, you don't need to agree with him on every single issue for fuck's sake.

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I'm not so familiar with Tommy Robinson, so this thread has been a good read (from what I've read, haven't read the whole thing).

On this page, you guys made good points and I can see both sides of the coin.

(12-26-2018 07:19 AM)Teedub Wrote:  I'm almost 100% sure Tommy is slightly to the right of demographics-denying Sargon types. He posts frequently about anti-white stuff on his facebook, and is openly friends with Martin Sellner. Privately he's probably where I sit = UK/Europe should be majority white, but some non-whites are no problem. This is the same position as PJW.

Teedub, Paul Joseph Watson does not hold this position that "UK/Europe should be the majority of whatever the traditional European ethnicity of whatever country or region you're talking about".

Intead, PJW says these types of things that are a far cry from that position:

Teedub, what position you hold privately that "UK/Europe should be majority white, but some non-whites are no problem" is way different than "England is represented by a set of beliefs, values and traditions, not skin color or ethnic background".

Has Tommy ever said anything like that PJW Tweet? I'm asking if anybody can show me as I really don't know but you all said he was a civic nationalist.

If Tommy does agree with the PJW tweet, that ethnic English people do not represent England, then I personally disagree with him. If Tommy does believe that about England, I have a very strong feeling he would not feel that way about Japan. Can Brits flood into Japan by the millions and still represent Japan because they assimilate into Japans beliefs, values and traditions? In my opinion no, Brits will never be Japanese just like Japanese will be Brits. Doesn't mean Brits should dislike Japs or Japs should dislike Brits, but neither one of them will ever be each other. Just like a golden retriever dog will never be a chihuahua dog. To pretend otherwise is dumb.

But I digress, as I don't think Tommy's pretending to be something he's not. If he's open about being a civic nationalist, then it is what it is. With tweets like the one I've posted below, I think Tommy realizes that England is no longer England when the natives become minorities in their ancestral homelands and to Tommy's credit, he does talk about "replacement of its (native) peoples".



To the people who want Tommy to talk about Jewish influence, I ask you all this:


What specific organizations, NGO's, lobbying groups, institutions, ext. ext. would you like to see Tommy go after?

I ask this, because does the UK even have any big Jewish groups in the country that are out in the open? For example, here in the states Americans can easily call out Jewish/israeli Political Lobbies that not only have an incredible amount of power in American politics, but are also out there wide open for the public to see, such as the Israeli/Jewish Lobbying Group AIPAC.

Is there an equivalent of an AIPAC in the UK? Are there NGO's that Soros is financing over there?

I ask this because Tommy can't simply start screaming about the Jews or mysterious boogymen who operate in the shadows. That doesn't work for the average person.

I don't know about the UK, but here in the US a married couple likely works about 50 - 60 hours per week and has two kids and a dog - Which means they don't have time for shit. They go to work, get the kids to school, feed the kids, take kids to extra curricular activities, ext. ext. They don't have time to look up and research all of this stuff, they're busy as shit and probably getting underpaid and struggling to make ends meet. This is the average American and I'm assuming, the average Brit as well.

That means because the average population doesn't have time to research this stuff, that Tommy would need to name specific nouns - organizations, NGO's, institutions, laws, lobbying groups, individual people, ext. ext.

I'm not saying that powerful people/boogymen don't operate in the shadows behind the curtains - I'm saying the average person doesn't have time to research that shit when they're struggling to get by as it is.

Also, for those who want to see Tommy talk more about Jewish influence, I saw that banking and usury was one of the things mentioned (by 911 I think). To those who want Tommy to speak about subjects like this, I ask you with all due respect to Tommy Robinson: Is the guy even smart enough to talk about these subjects?


I will openly admit this -While I get the basic idea of usury, the central banking system is confusing as shit to me and the finer points of usury go right over my head. My IQ probably isn't high enough to understand these things and I readily admit that. I have a feeling that for the majority of the population, they are like me, where they could understand maybe the basic ideas of these things but to actually discuss the finer points of these complicated subjects would go right over our heads.

That might be the same for Tommy as well - That he might not be able to fully understand those subjects as they are hard to get a grip on for most people (including myself).

Last, I would say that from what I can tell, Tommy is putting him and his family's financial and personal security on the line. No way in hell you could pay me enough money to end up in a Muslim majority prison, nope, not happening.

But then again I've been a fool for lesser things, so maybe I am being fooled who knows.

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Some fair points you raise uprising.

Let me be clear on my stance though. Im not demanding Tommy ask the JQ or try to expose the Jewish banking cartels.

What I am questioning is his soft endorsement of said Jewish Zionism. He doesn't have to do that. Are photo op's on Israeli tanks and tweeting Israel is his home away from home really necessary.

I am of the belief he is only neutralizing any real nationalist backlash or uprising. A distraction that shields criticism of the Jews and only focuses on Islamic hate that coincidently Israel needs to get away with atrocities they have done and further plan to commit in the middle east.

If you think about it, he is actually damaging if he is turning otherwise would be 'woke' people into 'I love Zionism lets go nuke Islam' NPC's

The diversity train of migrants is going to continue to flow into England in large numbers displacing the natives regardless if they halt Islamic numbers. Tommy and civic nationalists alike basically support this and so does the Elite.

What the (((Elite))) are tremendously afraid of and shut down with full force is Tribal Ethno nationalism and groups with a strong religious or ideological bond that push against the narrative.
The exception being Israel ofcourse. The Ethno religious ideological golden child that gets a free pass and is immune to criticism.

So why is this the case? Why is it that which they fear the most, as if it may be the key to dethroning their Tyranny.

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Uprising, I'd take that PJW tweet with a pinch of salt to be honest. It was, in my personal opinion, a 'cover message', a social media post he can refer to when the left calls him names. It's cucking, in a sense, but also a wise strategy if this stuff is your career. He's also engaging in the whole 'the left are the real racists' shtick in that tweet. Compare it to this, posted yesterday, for example:



More importantly, look at the top comments, which he'll see and which he doesn't censor. He knows what's up, he's hiding his power level if anything. He used to post about Zionism and such in the early days of youtube, but went quiet on it in recent years to prevent his brand from going toxic I guess.



I read extracts of the report PJW refers to and it makes for depressing reading. "Migration is a wonderful balancing act", apparently. Back to Tommy. He also knows the score, you don't hang out with, have dinner with and openly promote Martin Sellner and GI unless you agree with somewhat of what he/they stand for. It's why I'm skeptical that Sargon is as civic as he makes out—he's real-life friends with Millennial Woes—some of the ideas he must at least semi-sympathise with, if not necessarily agree with. Regarding a British version of ADL or AIPAC, there probably are ones but I don't know any and they certainly aren't as powerful as their American counterparts if they do exist. Like I said, Britain and America are completely different landscapes in that regard, so you're right in what you said about shouting at bogeymen.

Finally, regarding his intelligence. He's probably not intelligent enough to properly explore economics and banking. Many aren't. He's bright, but not as formally educated as his fellow e-celebs. The British school system is like this:

11-16 High School (GCSEs)
16-18 College (A-Levels)
18-21 University (Degree)

He left school at 16 (with surprisingly good grades, a few A's in there... more than me!) to do an aircraft engineering apprenticeship.

Quote:"I got an apprenticeship 600 people applied for, and they took four people on". He qualified in 2003 after five years of study, but then lost his job when he was convicted of assaulting an off-duty police officer in a drunken argument. He served a 12-month prison sentence.

Charming. But yeah, his book is a difficult read. Not for the reasons most books that you could apply that phrase to are, but because it's badly written. Worse than something I would have churned out as a teenager essentially. But, as gework said: "I'm really pleased to see a working class guy fighting against all the odds, not holding back who is now at the point where the mainstream upper-middle class have no idea how to deal with him."