Post: #51

"Gigolo" Game has been around forever.

I'm sure you guys know about this guy..

Famous International Gigolo

He married the 2nd richest woman in the world, divorced her, and then married the 3rd richest woman in the world!

Post: #52

(08-05-2011 03:04 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  "Gigolo" Game has been around forever.

I'm sure you guys know about this guy..

Famous International Gigolo

Giovonny,

Of course this is the "consensus" . Is there anything new under the sun , sir? I choose to modify this with some "granularity". This is not science , but , the methodology is important. If you made a move with the "gigolo" name brand stamped all over your face in this day and age, you will reap sewage.

Post: #53

Pusscrook,

Maybe "Gigolo" is a crude or outdated term.

I just call it Game. Some guys play the Game for sex and relationships. You play it for money.

There is really no reason to label it. Play on Playa!

Post: #54

(08-05-2011 02:25 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  If this is true, this technique must give wonderful results.
Since Pusscrook makes the girls invest, they should in the end be more attracted to him than if he was using normal game. Also, they would be unwilling to let go of him (because they invested so much on him).

Brazilian, you are wise , Comrade. Play on!

Pusscrook

Post: #55

(08-05-2011 10:22 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  Since I didn't get any add-ons to the list in my original post, I am assuming this "game" is not played much here..

You're correct. As I said, you need to have a special brain to operate comfortably in this mode. Most people lack it, so it is a lot of work for them, especially considering the weak payout potential. Which is likely to be close to a typical creative job - there are very few people who make it to the top and making millions, while vast majority considers it lucky if they make enough to pay the bills.

For example, in your reply you mentioned "let's say you made 50k sitting in a shit-hole cubicle and skydiver sociopath made 150k fucking". My gut feeling is that very, very few cats would reliably make it. At the same time, 150k is a reasonable salary for a senior IT professional to expect here in Bay Area; some of us make much more than that. So the choice is, let's say, not that obvious, especially once you consider things such as aging.

Quote:Here's a question... When was the last time ( if ever) you asked a girl to take you out, buy you a drink, dinner, etc.? If you have, what were the results? How did you feel when you asked her to do it? If you don't ask them, is it because you think you are not being a "gentleman"? Perhaps lost your ways in the world of chivalry?

It looks more and more that you're attempting to justify your actions by degrading others. I find it interesting, as this is not a typical behavior of someone who is secure in their beliefs. Not to start a war or anything, but you actually sound a little resentful.

Post: #56

(08-05-2011 04:39 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  It looks more and more that you're attempting to justify your actions by degrading others. I find it interesting, as this is not a typical behavior of someone who is secure in their beliefs. Not to start a war or anything, but you actually sound a little resentful.

This is my feeling as well. This thread is kinda like going to church. Ask critical questions and detail on tangibles and you will receive disappointed words on how you lack the proper faith.

Heck, even the odd language ("comrade", third person speech) is akin to the sermon of a southern baptist reverend.

Post: #57

(08-05-2011 05:15 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  Skydiver says don't expect steady income and study the fraud laws in your state. (heheh). Can you imagine how many girls "study" the fraud laws in your state when you buy them shit?

Those are different things. Most men in "sugar daddy" position understand that they're just exchanging wealth for the access to her body, and that as soon as the money stream is cut off, the relationship is over. They're generally ok with that, so you rarely see such cases when women got prosecuted for fraud - even though legally it might be considered fraud. So the risk for girls is very low, and in most cases it is not even fraud - a sugar daddy knows he need to pay, so she doesn't have to make things up about her "mother who needs surgery".

On the opposite side, a typical female is not ok with giving cash to a dude she sleeps with, unless she believes they're in a relationship, typically exclusive. My impression that those chicks do not know you see (and get gifts from) other chicks, and when they understand they've just been used, the shit hits the fun. Then one must be quite naive to expect the same justice as if you were a young girl and an older dude would buy you stuff. This is the fight for equality which you definitely gonna lose in the court.

Tax evasion laws is another thing to consider (not to mention this is federal offense).

Quote:Now, you on the other hand stated this was a damn difficult way to make money.. (Hehheh) I am assuming you tried. Certainly the ways of the "sociopath" may seem difficult, but let's say you made 50k sitting in a shit-hole cubicle and skydiver sociopath made 150k fucking ,does that do anything to neutralize this word you used....."difficulty"?

I doubt he was making even 50K a year. Sure he didn't have a lot of expenses as his rent and bills were paid, and so were all his travel and trips, but most of his gifts were not cash. For example, he said he got four watches for Valentine's day, how to count those? So he may be receiving the equivalent of 50K a year, but definitely not cash. You probably do better than him, but even 50K a year is over $1,000 a week, do you really make it?

OTOH everyone I know here who's employed and has a job is making well over 50K a year.

Post: #58

@ Pusscrook. I hear where you are coming from, this is highly advance game that a lot of guys haven't been exposed to. I don't know if you notice this but usually, the sluttier the girl the more she will buy for you. It's a little secret that a lot of guys don't know about.

I go thru phases where I default to this type of game. For girls I meet when I'm travelling I'll "hint" that I want to see her, but my car is in the shop and I need a rental or a plane ticket. Or randomly complain about bills when she calls. These chicks will eagerly offer you money or random gifts. One thing with me though, is if I see it's out of her range I won't take from her. I've never felt any guilt, I just see it as doing what I need to do at the time. I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever been with a girl who didn't pay my way...even since highschool.

At the same time, I go thru phases where I will pedestalize the exact same girl. Its all circumstantial.

You ever have any issues with lawsuits/exes/brothers?

Post: #59

(08-05-2011 05:03 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 04:39 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  It looks more and more that you're attempting to justify your actions by degrading others. I find it interesting, as this is not a typical behavior of someone who is secure in their beliefs. Not to start a war or anything, but you actually sound a little resentful.

This is my feeling as well. This thread is kinda like going to church. Ask critical questions and detail on tangibles and you will receive disappointed words on how you lack the proper faith.

Heck, even the odd language ("comrade", third person speech) is akin to the sermon of a southern baptist reverend.

Whoa Vicious. It was like a ray of light hit me when I read this post of yours. You do have some worth eh?    

Think I could pull that one off?

I think I'm gonna focus on "constructive" posts.

Post: #60

(08-05-2011 05:30 PM)Feo Wrote:  @ Pusscrook. I hear where you are coming from, this is highly advance game that a lot of guys haven't been exposed to. I don't know if you notice this but usually, the sluttier the girl the more she will buy for you. It's a little secret that a lot of guys don't know about.

I go thru phases where I default to this type of game. For girls I meet when I'm travelling I'll "hint" that I want to see her, but my car is in the shop and I need a rental or a plane ticket. Or randomly complain about bills when she calls. These chicks will eagerly offer you money or random gifts. One thing with me though, is if I see it's out of her range I won't take from her. I've never felt any guilt, I just see it as doing what I need to do at the time. I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever been with a girl who didn't pay my way...even since highschool.

At the same time, I go thru phases where I will pedestalize the exact same girl. Its all circumstantial.

You ever have any issues with lawsuits/exes/brothers?

Well damn! What do we have here? You are well-seasoned! I like the part about if it's out of her range you won't take from her. I feel the same way, and this is why I have to do plenty of re-con. Like a fort-observer, you can't be feeding yourself bad intel under any circumstances. You said ever since high school you've been at this "game"? Fuck! Send all manuscripts/blueprints immediately! This is precious information I may not have. "Pedestalize", man you are cracking me the fuck up over here!

Never had any issues at all. First, these "wounded personnel" I seek out are self confident , worried about what society will think of them when they do anything, kind of bitches. They wouldn't dare expose themselves like that and would just as soon write it off as a loss. These are not the fat weeble-wobble , missing teeth,chicks you see on those court shows trying to sue for the big screen they supposedly "loan" their boyfriends last year. Furthermore, those cases get dismissed in 5 minutes and she gets to say her piece at the end of the show. Tired bitch.

My portfolio consist of chicks who hate their ex husbands, was married and now wants to "experiment" with her new found liberation, and usually the family is professional in nature so she won't run the risk of being ex-communicated because she bought me a few suits/time pieces and so forth. They couldn't bare that rumor. Glad to see you rolling with the knowledge though. Share and share alike. I am currently working on a grandiose plot since I need to rotate 2 bitches downward in the line-up because calls are getting cut a bit short and I'm starting to see an uptick in text messages. Not a good sign.

Kinda tricky because they have been good "providers", so I have to be quite careful with the sob story I need to feed them. These women are smart and will sniff shit out 5 meters away. I'm thinking more of "I'm sick and shit and get them to feel like I am incapable of providing myself with medical care, then maybe , just maybe, if I see an uptick in the calls again, I can go back in for more trinkets.

Pusscrook

Post: #61

Lol. Your fucking hilarious dude. Good to see a little grime around here.

Post: #62

I've actually done a variant of this, although it wasn't with a MILF but with a 19 year old girl. I had this girl convinced I was a dark, disturbed sociopath who has money problems and could never afford to go over to see her. She bought me food, booked hotel rooms/trips for us down the beach, drove me everywhere, bought me drinks, etc. Eventually I felt so horrible about the situation (she was genuinely the sweetest girl I'd ever met, but I lost my sexual attraction for her at some point) that I told her I needed to work on my 'issues' alone and we should stop seeing each other.

It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry pretends to be dark & disturbed around George's girlfriend in order to make George appear funnier, but it winds up attracting the woman instead.

Post: #63

What a great thread. Pusscrook you certainly do have a unique "voice" and that's fairly uncommon in this scene. I'm kind of surprised by some of the moralizing. It's ok for Roosh to stuff his swarthy dick into a nubile Polish girl 2 hours after meeting her and never call her again, but when someone spends a month with a broad and Japanese electronics are involved all bets are off ?

Anyway this is certainly way above me right now, but I think it might be helpful to have one complete cover to cover example so to speak. From meeting, convos, etc until delivery of the first tag heur, ps3, or whatever.

Post: #64

(08-06-2011 04:25 PM)DTA Wrote:  I've actually done a variant of this, although it wasn't with a MILF but with a 19 year old girl. I had this girl convinced I was a dark, disturbed sociopath who has money problems and could never afford to go over to see her. She bought me food, booked hotel rooms/trips for us down the beach, drove me everywhere, bought me drinks, etc. Eventually I felt so horrible about the situation (she was genuinely the sweetest girl I'd ever met, but I lost my sexual attraction for her at some point) that I told her I needed to work on my 'issues' alone and we should stop seeing each other.

It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry pretends to be dark & disturbed around George's girlfriend in order to make George appear funnier, but it winds up attracting the woman instead.

Hahaha funny. Yeah I have seen chicks who prefer the "dark side" to the "Gentleman". I don't mess with spring chickens, because usually they are too innocent and they really want a relationship after a good fucking. I prefer those man-haters who think they figured out how to one up on men by putting him on blast with her newly found princess lifestyle. You really have to hear some of the hate they spew and how happy they are to break some poor bastard down.

You know, I'm thinking most of us seasoned players have traveled a bit and this "thing" of ours is no secret but we all have different angles that we approach it from. Take for instance , I was in Puerto Plata years ago and watched this guy pull off the "Sanky Panky" move on this Canadian whale. Now , I can tell you he could not put 3 letters together and make a word out of it ,but he was a fucking hard gamer. He was rubbing oil on that behemoth and would fetch shit for her per her request. I had talked to him earlier in the day and I could tell he was a gamer. She thought she was a princess on the beach and then he applied what he called the "cuchillo doble filo" to her brain and it was over. He never once asked her to buy him shit. Just took her to his little shit hole house , introduced her to the family, (mom was in on it I'm sure), cooked for the bitch , showed her 2-3 bachata moves and next thing you know he's driving a jeepeta in a few months or so! Now, imagine that, he has no education, sometimes no lights , and wham! I have another Dominican friend who is in denial. He married a 3 stomach German sow, and now he has a parcel of land back home. Now, these men probably can only pull this off with these type of women and though that really wouldn't work for me, I don't knock it. I have seen this in Thailand, Brazil, etc. I think as westerners we have been thought that this kind of behavior is beneath what we incline to think as "manly" behavior. if you know anything about these cultures, these men don't take shit period. They just understand the "game".

Post: #65

(08-06-2011 05:42 PM)Menace Wrote:  What a great thread. Pusscrook you certainly do have a unique "voice" and that's fairly uncommon in this scene. I'm kind of surprised by some of the moralizing. It's ok for Roosh to stuff his swarthy dick into a nubile Polish girl 2 hours after meeting her and never call her again, but when someone spends a month with a broad and Japanese electronics are involved all bets are off ?

Anyway this is certainly way above me right now, but I think it might be helpful to have one complete cover to cover example so to speak. From meeting, convos, etc until delivery of the first tag heur, ps3, or whatever.

Menace, greetings,

I don't mind having a robust debate and I don't expect everyone to agree with this method of "game". What I don't understand is whether it is understood that this is not my career, nor a job, nor a scam. This is simple. I seek out very specified "wounded personnel", (see previous post) apply protocol, and let them choose what THEY want to do. If a guy on this forum wants to follow me around and add his 2 cents by being the moral authority on a forum where we are all gaming these bitches (kinda oxymoronic to me) this is what I don't understand. It sorta reminds me of a "shadowbitch". You know , a girl who pretends she's not interested , yet all up in your shit?

Post: #66

Playboy
Player
Macking
Pimp

This man is straight macking. He uses game to get money or get gifts from them. Pimping requires absolutely no morals at all. Making a bitch stand in the snow or rain to give all her money away at the end of the day requires a person to be ice cold.

There are plenty of macks running around using hints to get what they want. Then there are guys that ask smoothly for what they want( cash, clothes, and etc.)

Either you're paying for the shit, or she is.

Post: #67

(08-06-2011 09:05 PM)wolf Wrote:  Either you're paying for the shit, or she is.

Real shit right here.

Chicks don't mind breaking bread for dudes they like, all you have to do is assume her willingness to do so and it's all good. This is especially works when you're not actually a broke ass dude -- or appear to not be one -- and she assumes you could do all the bankrolling yourself if you wanted to, but she does it because she likes you and it makes her feel good to take care of you.

Girls will pay your rent, buy you all kinds of materialistic bullshit, etc. if you let them.

Besides, the more invested she's into you, even financially, the more you own her.

Post: #68

Awwww man,

I had posted earlier that there was 2 chicks I might have to move down in the rotation but now one of them have thrown the "emotional boomerang" shit @ me.

I was noticing that my conversations with her were getting shorter and shorter but at the same time, there was an uptick in text messages. I'm sure you guys already know this, but this a clear sign that you're losing a grip on this bitch. She's a well qualified "personnel" for the "operation", but I am sure the bitch had either been getting attention from some other dude that was whispering sweet shit in her ear, or she has been talking to you know who, dem fucking friends about me! These for me are like the sun and holy water to a vampire . Both cockblockers!

I was going to call her last night but thought better of it since I figured if I call too much she would detect a change in something. These smart ones always have the radar up but the judgment gets clouded when you fuck them right into the box spring.(I figured I was getting some ass tonight). Anyway, as I said, I was seeing this uptick in text messages , you know, shit like "ttyl", smiley face shit, etc. I like to talk to them because this way I can sense if I need to modify a few things.

I decided to call tonight and when she answered the phone I could hear the radio blasting as she sang along. Now, this may sound like nothing, but to me, this tells me this bitch is singing me right out of her mind . I mean what milf you know answers the phone whilst singing at the top of her lungs? Ok bitch..So I proceeded to ask a few questions to gauge that energy.

Me: "Hey"
Her : "Oh hey , what's up"? ( never answers me like that...they been talking)
Me: "what's up"
Her: ( turns radio down ) "How are ya"?
Me: "Bored"
Her " you should go out" (bitch is now treating me like we are separated)
Me: "Where are you headed"?
Her : "Out with some girlfriends from work".
Me: "Cool", What time you coming back in"? ( Now I'm in punk-ass mode)
I have to do this in order to check the gauge for more trinkets. At least this is my way.

Her: "I have no idea, it's Saturday".
Me" (Gulp) " That's true" ",be careful out there".
Her: " I got it , I wont drink tonight".
Me: "You been working hard , so, you should play hard".
Her " Don't we all"? ( Ummm no)
I had to flip a page, I could sense that she was fishing to see if what she had been told was true.
Me: " We should do something Sunday" (this should tell me a bit more)
Her: "I don't know, like what".
Me: ( I swear i have not asked this bitch not one time to do this ) "wanna see a movie"?
Her: "Let me see what the kids' father is doing with them tomorrow", I don't want to make any promises".. ( mind you, I tell her " I don't want to make any promises a lot").
Me: "O.k., by the way, "miss you"
Her: (radio silence like we're in a submarine and getting hunted) then she says, "we'll catch up".
Me: "Talk to you tomorrow then".
Her: "Ok babes". (Now I don't think she meant to say babes, I think it slipped).
Conclusion: I'm going to lose this battle and I think I have one last piece of bounty to get. Maybe I should make one giant pilferage run for it.It will be a good lesson , win or lose . She did catch me off guard I must say, and gave me no signals this was coming. I am sure the hate is now beginning to surface . I was plotting to pull the "sick" card I told Feo ( on the forum here) about, but I think this bitch beat me to the punch big time. I really have to think about this, but would be open to any suggestions .

Pusscrook

Post: #69

She's rough, well REAL rough......but she's sure rich. And now he is as well. I'm betting that his gifts will have names like Boeing, Airbus and Gulfstream.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug...ge-fortune

Post: #70

(08-06-2011 09:05 PM)wolf Wrote:  Making a bitch stand in the snow or rain to give all her money away at the end of the day requires a person to be ice cold.

Not really. A pimp just doesn't consider his broads human beings. Same way as slave drivers weren't quite ice cold, or Nazi doctors didn't mind doing medical experiments on humans from conquered countries. They just didn't consider them human. This is very, very different from being a gigolo, which requires you to operate on very different set of morals.

Post: #71

Read your convo.

Quote:Me: "O.k., by the way, "miss you"
Her: (radio silence like we're in a submarine and getting hunted) then she says, "we'll catch up".

You're trying to hard to get her affection, it comes off as too beta and turns her off.


I know this advice comes late, but on Sunday I hope you didn't call her. You need to put some doubt into her mind.

Post: #72

(08-07-2011 10:31 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  She's rough, well REAL rough......but she's sure rich. And now he is as well. I'm betting that his gifts will have names like Boeing, Airbus and Gulfstream.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug...ge-fortune

Hahahah Gringo,

Where did you hear about her?

Post: #73

(08-08-2011 04:02 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(08-06-2011 09:05 PM)wolf Wrote:  Making a bitch stand in the snow or rain to give all her money away at the end of the day requires a person to be ice cold.

Not really. A pimp just doesn't consider his broads human beings. Same way as slave drivers weren't quite ice cold, or Nazi doctors didn't mind doing medical experiments on humans from conquered countries. They just didn't consider them human. This is very, very different from being a gigolo, which requires you to operate on very different set of morals.

Nemesis,

I think he might be saying the same thing when he spoke of making a bitch stand in the snow or rain... I do agree with you that it's' different from a "gigolo".

QUick question for you , what are your views concerning a guy who receives " gifts"/trinkets, from several different women and does not ask for them? Is he a gigolo, a mack, player,just smart? Does one have to be in love , or in a relationship in order for it to be acceptable to receive gifts?

Post: #74

(08-08-2011 07:11 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Read your convo.

Quote:Me: "O.k., by the way, "miss you"
Her: (radio silence like we're in a submarine and getting hunted) then she says, "we'll catch up".

You're trying to hard to get her affection, it comes off as too beta and turns her off.


I know this advice comes late, but on Sunday I hope you didn't call her. You need to put some doubt into her mind.

Samseau, you are right. I am trying to get her affection. This is my nuclear option when all hope is fading. Well, she called me on Sunday to reschedule and wants to go to the movie this weekend coming up. So , yes, it is a very "beta" move , but it does work wonders in some situations. I will pull another "beta" move at the movies, by giggling at shit in the movie that absolutely makes no sense. SOunds amateur on the face of it, but you see, I know her and Christmas is closing in . I i agree with you though, this move sets a bad precedent , yet it can be effective when used for the right set of circumstances (sparingly I might add).

Pusscrook

Post: #75

The Mack game is very common for players in the low income demographics. If its possible for broke dudes to get middle class broads to support them then It should be just as viable for people higher up the totem pole.

I've never tried to lure money out of woman but I have seen how easy it can be if they already know they make more money than you.