Post: #26

Anybody reckon this is part of some kind of attack on the so called "alt right" or men's interests? That's the only sphere I've heard this kratom mentioned.

Post: #27

I haven't posted in a while, but I wanted to say this is one of the most disappointing things I've heard in years. I first found out about the Kratom ban here, and I later read about it on some other forums I look at.

I've been using this stuff for 4-5 years and have never had any problems or negative reactions. The reason this stuff and phenibut have such a good reputation on the Roosh V forum is because they're relatively benign substances that can provide brief respite from issues like anxiety, tiredness, etc.

In fact, I'm more surprised they haven't banned phenibut. From what I understand, that substance has a way higher potential for abuse/addiction than kratom, even though I don't think even phenibut is that dangerous. But I prefer to live in a country where people make their own decisions as to what substances they use, not the government.

Post: #28

(09-01-2016 09:03 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Anybody reckon this is part of some kind of attack on the so called "alt right" or men's interests? That's the only sphere I've heard this kratom mentioned.

Hahaha, I was actually thinking the same thing, but I doubt the DEA really even knows/cares about the alt-right. Besides, I know some hippy-types that use it, too.

Post: #29

Make no mistake, this is a political decision, and it is a pointed attack on men and male self improvement.

They know that this is what kratom is frequently being used for. They are using legislation to cut off an avenue to male self improvement.

Kratom is not the first and it won't be the last.

Post: #30

They pass Statins and some birth control methods, yet they want to ban this and have partially lifted weed use.



The US has problems with prohibition stemming from its colonial days still.

Post: #31

This is self interest by the DEA, kratom is safe and heloping hundreds of thousands of addicts get sober from hard drugs and pharmaceuticals which hurts the DEA's funding for the long term. They saw state legislatoms decide not to ban it and swooped in now.

Post: #32

You guys are spot on. Henry Makow agrees, and attributes the ban to the pharma industry, in particular the manufacturers of a destructive, addictive synthetic oppiate drug Oxycontyn, this is today's entry in Makow's blog:

http://henrymakow.com/#sthash.6Fy35oeV.dpuf

"DEA Bans Harmless Natural Substitute for OxyContin, Heroin
On the basis of 100 reports of "bad reactions"
a year, the DEA is banning Kratom Sept 30 without any consultations. Kratom is a traditional pain killer which has helped millions but cuts the profits of Jewish-owned pharmaceutical giant Purdue Pharma.
Purdue produces the addictive OxyContin, a chemical cousin of Heroin, which has caused a national epidemic of both drugs. There were 16,000 deaths due to opioid overdoses in 2010.
Instead of banning OxyContin, the DEA is banning a harmless substitute.

Kratom, also known as Mytrogena Speciosa, is a plant that grows in South-East Asia.

From the coffee family, it has been used in the traditional medicine of Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, and China since ancient times. In small doses, it is a stimulant used by day laborers to increase productivity and reduce the effect of pain at work.

At higher doses, it reduces chronic pain. It binds to opioidmu receptors, but chemically, it is not an opiate or opioid.

Fast forward to 2016 in the USA. It is now a popular supplement used by thousands of people to reduce the effects of chronic pain, and to fight depression and PTSD. There have never been any deaths resulting from it and it is impossible to overdose because if one consumes an unhealthy quantity, the body vomits it up.

Kratom has helped people who have suffered from dependence on opiates to taper off of them finally. It also helps former addicts deal with cravings. It has been used for many years under the radar but everyone knew that at some point the corporate establishment would interfere to maximize their profits.

This supplement is cutting into the profits made by the Pharmaceutical corporations. The Pharmaceutical (which means sorcery in Septuagint Greek) corporations sell opiates which have caused addiction & abuse epidemics such as: Oxycontin & Percocet.

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In fact, the ((Sackler family,)) on the Forbes 2015 list of the richest families in America, made their $14 billion dollar fortune off Oxycontin, which has resulted in tens of thousands of overdoses and a national epidemic of addiction across U.S. cities. It can be crushed and snorted. and has made over 35 billion dollars in sales since it was launched by the Sackler family's Purdue Pharma.

The main difference between Kratom and OxyContin is that synthetic opiates like Oxycontin slow down breathing, and thus cause death at certain doses.

Kratom does not slow breathing, because it is a natural plant, not a synthetic compound. However it does cut into the Sackler's profits and provides solutions to those suffering from pain who do not wish to take synthetic chemical drugs from Pharmaceutical Corporations.

The DEA, which is an agency which is dependent on funding by the Pharmaceutical companies, and their associates, has now added Mitrogena Speciosa (Kratom) to the Schedule 1 list including Heroin and LSD. This is criminal, cruel, and insane.

Now users who use this herb for relief of pain and other symptoms will be criminalized and can be "legally" thrown into private prisons. Populations will suffer from arrest rates just like in the case of disproportionate arrests for Marijuana. People will do prison time for using an herb which does not even cause intoxication.

This is because the Sackler family wants to maximize its profits that it has made off of its deadly notorious drug OxyContin. OxyContin has caused untold death and destruction in our society, and is widely overprescribed. It is highly accessible and easy for youth to find and abuse.

Kratom has no abuse potential. This legislature criminalizes normative citizens for utilizing a substance that has been used for thousands of years in Traditional South Eastern and Chinese medicine. It does not even carry the stigma of intoxication. Interested American citizens may sign this petition against it becoming a Schedule 1 substance which takes effect on Sept. 30th.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/thank-you/2315561

The Sackler family seems to be a typical Illuminati family. "

Post: #33

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DEA Argues That Public Comment Is Unnecessary Before Kratom Ban

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2...5a35c7388b




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Post: #34

Quote:Chuck Rosenberg, acting administrator of the DEA, claims the action “is necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety.” As an example of the risks of kratom, the DEA cites a CDC study published this summer that counted 660 poison control calls during a five-year period from 2010 to 2015 on behalf of people suffering untoward reactions to the herb or teas made from the plant material.

This is a complete fucking joke. There are ~2200 alcohol poisoning deaths per year, and I don't even know how many alcohol poisoning incidents.

According to the internet, acetominophen (tylenol) overdoses or misuse result in tens of thousands of ER visits every year and hundreds of deaths from acute liver failure.

Now 132 poison control calls per year, where presumably most people did not end up dying, mean kratom is an imminent hazard to public safety?

I suspect high level DEA officials are just a little too cozy with the big pharmaceutical companies.

Post: #35

Kratom is only the beginning.

Bet you the corrupt DEA will go after stuff like maca, Yohimbe, and L-Theanine next. Not good!

Post: #36

(09-01-2016 06:16 PM)911 Wrote:  "DEA Bans Harmless Natural Substitute for OxyContin, Heroin
On the basis of 100 reports of "bad reactions"
a year, the DEA is banning Kratom Sept 30 without any consultations. "

Is this the reason being given to ban Kratom? 100 bad reactions?

I think even sticking plasters are more dangerous.

Post: #37

I've never used Kratom, nor have I had a particular interest in it, but banning it seems so ridiculous that there must be much more behind it than simply looking out for people's welfare.
I'm definitely going to have to start growing some myself now. I've become very interested in food and energy sovereignty and since Kratom is now something that the authorities don't want people having, it's something I'm suddenly very interested in learning about and experimenting with.
http://kratomonline.org/growing-kratom/

Post: #38

Just wanted to bump this thread as I think this is as much about our civil liberties slowly being eroded by the federal government as it is about a substance that as far as I can tell doesn't even come close to the dangers to other type I substances.

I am not a user and have signed the petition and as of today it looks like they've gotten the 100k needed signatures (please sign anyway if you haven't yet and support this cause).

Also, Chris from GLL has a good guide on other things you can do on his site that I recommend you check out if you would like to become more involved.
http://www.gll-getalife.com/get-success/...ney-urgent

Post: #39

I've never used it, but just saw online that the feds changed their minds, not going to ban it after all:
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/19/12941112/kratom-dea-ban

Apologies for the Vox link, tried to create an archive.is link but it's not working for me at the moment.

Post: #40

^^ says they are opening public comment till December 1st, the ban could very well go through.

Post: #41

the fun police are striking everywhere these days, especially in Australia, where the K has always been banned. I cant even seem to get hold of the stuff when im in the Philippines. Im sure you will find alternatives if you look hard enough, one thing i know gives me a 'buzz' and gives me a lot of confidence and energy is organic green smoothies, and i seem to get more attention from women straight after drinking one.

Post: #42

Go to https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=D...-0015-0006 to submit a comment to the DEA on why it shouldn't be banned. Reference "Docket No. DEA-442W"

Post: #43

Glad the outcry got this stopped. Throw a fit and raise hell has worked.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016...ture-shift