Post: #126

I'm reading the black man game thread to see what the fuss is about and some of you guys probably should tone it down a bit with the hysterics, considering there's a lot of 'white boy' and 'white priviledge' just in the first 2 pages I read. Not considering the entire premise in most of those discussions which is that whites actively discriminate blacks in nightlife, when a lot of black clubs a white man probably gets jumped or worse.

There's a seething undercurrent in that thread and it's not exactly colorblind.

Post: #127

Not surprised by outcome of racebait thread

Post: #128

(08-28-2016 09:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'm reading the black man game thread to see what the fuss is about and some of you guys probably should tone it down a bit with the hysterics, considering there's a lot of 'white boy' and 'white priviledge' just in the first 2 pages I read. Not considering the entire premise in most of those discussions which is that whites actively discriminate blacks in nightlife, when a lot of black clubs a white man probably gets jumped or worse.

There's a seething undercurrent in that thread and it's not exactly colorblind.

Nomadbrah did you even read this thread? I love watching you guys comment on shit you clearly are ill-informed on.

You guys are projecting your own bullshit onto what happened here.

Hysterics? Nice try with the weak ad hominem.

In what universe do we antagonize men for calling out bullshit?

Post: #129

(08-28-2016 09:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'm reading the black man game thread to see what the fuss is about and some of you guys probably should tone it down a bit with the hysterics, considering there's a lot of 'white boy' and 'white priviledge' just in the first 2 pages I read. Not considering the entire premise in most of those discussions which is that whites actively discriminate blacks in nightlife, when a lot of black clubs a white man probably gets jumped or worse.

There's a seething undercurrent in that thread and it's not exactly colorblind.

"you guys need to tone it down and know your place" response #23

Post: #130

(08-28-2016 09:17 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  Not surprised by outcome of racebait thread

Lahey's speech here sums up my thoughts when I saw the thread title:

Post: #131

(08-28-2016 09:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'm reading the black man game thread to see what the fuss is about and some of you guys probably should tone it down a bit with the hysterics, considering there's a lot of 'white boy' and 'white priviledge' just in the first 2 pages I read. Not considering the entire premise in most of those discussions which is that whites actively discriminate blacks in nightlife, when a lot of black clubs a white man probably gets jumped or worse.

There's a seething undercurrent in that thread and it's not exactly colorblind.

Don't know what you're on about or if you've even listened to the podcasts that were put out, but that's completely untrue. I use to be a frequent poster in that thread(and I'm not even black/also look white), but I've mainly only had the time to shitpost as of late on the forum hence why I'm not on it as much(though that's neither here nor there).

It's probably one of the more interesting threads on the forum when compared to shitshows like this.

Post: #132

(08-28-2016 09:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'm reading the black man game thread to see what the fuss is about and some of you guys probably should tone it down a bit with the hysterics, considering there's a lot of 'white boy' and 'white priviledge' just in the first 2 pages I read. Not considering the entire premise in most of those discussions which is that whites actively discriminate blacks in nightlife, when a lot of black clubs a white man probably gets jumped or worse.

There's a seething undercurrent in that thread and it's not exactly colorblind.

The usual suspects.

Post: #133

(08-28-2016 09:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'm reading the black man game thread to see what the fuss is about and some of you guys probably should tone it down a bit with the hysterics, considering there's a lot of 'white boy' and 'white priviledge' just in the first 2 pages I read. Not considering the entire premise in most of those discussions which is that whites actively discriminate blacks in nightlife, when a lot of black clubs a white man probably gets jumped or worse.

There's a seething undercurrent in that thread and it's not exactly colorblind.

Post: #134

(08-28-2016 09:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'm reading the black man game thread to see what the fuss is about and some of you guys probably should tone it down a bit with the hysterics, considering there's a lot of 'white boy' and 'white priviledge' just in the first 2 pages I read. Not considering the entire premise in most of those discussions which is that whites actively discriminate blacks in nightlife, when a lot of black clubs a white man probably gets jumped or worse.

There's a seething undercurrent in that thread and it's not exactly colorblind.

Post: #135

The thread that keeps giving

Post: #136

People keep saying this thread has gone off the rails...but I don't think it has. This has been, by far, the most reasoned and calm discussion--and rebuttal--of overt & unprovoked race-baiting I've seen on the forum. People like Excelsior, mikado, Fortis, etc are calmly and rationally laying out the case for race-neutral respect & unity here in the forum and are maintaining their cool and staying on point even in the face of the usual goal-posting moving, squid ink-style tactics, and evidence-free argument-by-assertion gambits deployed by their ostensible adversaries.

Which is as much a credit to them as it is to the forum more generally. The forum is an incredibly diverse place and with this corner of the internet also being chock full of alt-righters, flare ups around race are bound to happen. But through strict--but fair--moderating, a solid set of forum rules, and a core of reasonable, smart and tough-minded guys committed to maintaining a cohesive online brotherhood, the stage is set for men to take on these issues and for the best arguments to win and for weak shit to be called out without anyone having just cause to feel genuinely disrespected.

Nothing wrong with this thread, in my view, and certainly no reason to lock it down.

Post: #137

(08-28-2016 09:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'm reading the black man game thread to see what the fuss is about and some of you guys probably should tone it down a bit with the hysterics, considering there's a lot of 'white boy' and 'white priviledge' just in the first 2 pages I read. Not considering the entire premise in most of those discussions which is that whites actively discriminate blacks in nightlife, when a lot of black clubs a white man probably gets jumped or worse.

There's a seething undercurrent in that thread and it's not exactly colorblind.

Seething undercurrent.



Projection is a bitch.

Post: #138

(08-28-2016 09:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'm reading the black man game thread to see what the fuss is about and some of you guys probably should tone it down a bit with the hysterics, considering there's a lot of 'white boy' and 'white priviledge' just in the first 2 pages I read. Not considering the entire premise in most of those discussions which is that whites actively discriminate blacks in nightlife, when a lot of black clubs a white man probably gets jumped or worse.

There's a seething undercurrent in that thread and it's not exactly colorblind.

Nomadbrah, I just went an (re)read the first 2 pages of that thread. I don't see anything you mentioned in your quote.

Could you directly quote the posts you're talking about that are evidence of this undercurrent of racial antagonism towards Whites from Blacks?

Post: #139

This thread needs locking.

Post: #140

(08-29-2016 12:38 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  This thread needs locking.

I agree. A dance off is the only way to solve this.

Post: #141

(08-29-2016 12:38 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  This thread needs locking.

I dont agree, Free speech and all. Basically Someone got called out for race baiting (should have been a permanent ban in my opinion - being that its against the rules and all) and people are taking offense to it. Its interesting that this thread is bringing out the true face of some people, no matter no hard they try to hide it. I find it interesting.

Post: #142

(08-28-2016 09:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'm reading the black man game thread to see what the fuss is about and some of you guys probably should tone it down a bit with the hysterics, considering there's a lot of 'white boy' and 'white priviledge' just in the first 2 pages I read. Not considering the entire premise in most of those discussions which is that whites actively discriminate blacks in nightlife, when a lot of black clubs a white man probably gets jumped or worse.

There's a seething undercurrent in that thread and it's not exactly colorblind.

So you read one or 2 comments in 2 pages and come to this conclusion. Nevermind half of the comments in the first 2 pages were pissed at the race baiting.

This post I could find in most SJW threads on twitter, facebook and tumblr. Just sayin.

Post: #143

(08-29-2016 06:26 AM)ivansirko Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 09:06 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'm reading the black man game thread to see what the fuss is about and some of you guys probably should tone it down a bit with the hysterics, considering there's a lot of 'white boy' and 'white priviledge' just in the first 2 pages I read. Not considering the entire premise in most of those discussions which is that whites actively discriminate blacks in nightlife, when a lot of black clubs a white man probably gets jumped or worse.

There's a seething undercurrent in that thread and it's not exactly colorblind.

So you read one or 2 comments in 2 pages and come to this conclusion. Nevermind half of the comments in the first 2 pages were pissed at the race baiting.

This post I could find in most SJW threads on twitter, facebook and tumblr. Just sayin.

If you've noticed, nomadbreh isn't exactly the most skillful member in distorting information or using complex rhetorical devices to manipulate a premise to reach its conclusion. I suspect we'll be waiting a while to see specific excerpts from that thread he was referring to. His writing is sloppy, choppy and doesn't exactly need to taken too seriously. Contrast that with veteran alt-righters like Aurini or hydrogonian who'll actually make you think and present esoteric, erudite claims and information in a formal argument without resorting to bullshit baby tactics like name-calling to make you concede. It's so noticeable members already called him out for it.

I'd refer him to a specialist who's actually gifted at word salad, but cell reception isn't the best down in Venezuela. The thread he actually linked is a niche thread, but calls for participation of all members no matter their background. White guys like redbeard and Comte post in it, Asian dudes like 262 also leave incredibly insightful information. It's a well developed resource that draws no hostility and is very inclusive. It's something all members can gain from and yet, he decides to launch an assault on members because dat tread is also rayciss. Come on man, you're just grasping at straws now.

The claim here is that the OP is in the wrong for the race baiting title. Claiming "b-b-b-b-but black people are racist too" is an extremely tired canard and irrelevant here, but your biases are clouding your judgment. Have some decorum for Chrissake.

Post: #144

^^^^^^^ Guys, it's nomadbrah.

Can't let the facts get in the way of far-right, white-supremacist dogma.

Post: #145

Jump straight to 1:46 if you please.





Thread solved

You're welcome.

Post: #146

It's funny though, these threads never have any real point-at-debate. If you asked me "what are they arguing about specifically", I wouldn't be able to tell you.

That's because it's not a debate, it's the thread equivalent of a prison brawl, everybody squaring off along racial lines just to puff their chest up and yell at the guys in the other race.
Black!
White!
Black!
And so on.

So yeah, since it's not actually a real debate on a real topic, or productive in any way, probably best just to close it.

Post: #147

I can see why a lot of guys have gotten heated up over this, but I think we should take a step back and understand where everyone's coming from. We don't necessarily need to enforce conformity on the issue as long as we can avoid conflict.

By disagreeing with some of you guys, don't take it as me attacking you personally or that I'm taking sides. Mostly I'm just trying to make sense of the underlying dynamic and different perspectives here.

First, it's a bad idea to use words that are sure to anger others or earn you a punch in the face if you were to say them in public. The internet anonymity allows people the ability to act more brazenly than they otherwise would. It also makes it easier to forget all of those who will read whatever you write.

It was in bad taste to use the word coalburner, and I can see where you guys are coming from in pointing out the extremely negative connotations it could be interpreted with. But I'm not sure OP used it with the intention of vitriol that's being attributed to him.

To be honest, I don't know many people that use the word, but I can't see it being used to paint an entire race in a negative light. When people use words like that, they're often attempting to come up with a simple generalization a stereotype. But for most of the people who would use it, I think race is a secondary issue. Like Aurini said, you don't see educated White women who date Black professionals being labeled negatively, except for maybe among an extreme minority of low class Whites.

It's most likely used more to describe a specific type of White woman who goes for a specific type of Black man. It's more of a stereotype for the cliche of the overweight tatted White 5 who goes for the unemployed gangbanger with domestic issues. Or the rich White girl dating someone from the ghetto to try and piss her dad off. And, yes, it can also have a hateful connotation, such as with Dylan Roof, where the guy who was discarded blames an entire race for his failings.

As such, it can be a charged word because it's difficult to know which connotation the user intends. But based on the article OP posted, I don't think he meant any hostility by it. The woman is a dumpy overweight 5 who made the self destructive move of shacking up with an unrepentant player who only wanted to use her.

It's a not-so-uncommon pattern that people came up with a word for it. It's not an attack on Black people as a race, just a specific subset. It's like the word White trash, a word I'll use fairly often. When I say White trash, I'm not talking about all White people. I'm talking about a specific group of low class Whites who live in trailer parks, drink bud light and smoke meth.

OP's reaction to the article was recognizing the player's game and laughing at the woman. He clearly wasn't butthurt, and it's a strawman to suggest he was resentful of the player when everything points to the contrary. It will only serve to blow this conflict out of proportion.

I can understand the conflict these threads create. Race is a hot button topic in America. While nearly all peoples have been subject to slavery, Black people are still dealing with the scars of a socioeconomic and political system that keeps them mired in a lack of opportunity. Our educational system and media reinforces racial boundaries through constant reminders of historical grievances and couching racial undertones in every issue.

Many Whites are also sick and tired of being bombarded with White guilt for crimes committed before they were born. It gets annoying being told that your whole race is uniquely evil and you should apologize for simply existing. Kind of like how it gets tiring for men to be told that all men are rapists.

There are double standards when it comes to race. Black comics are allowed to say things that Whites aren't. If Black Lives Matter were to have a White counterpart, I'm pretty sure all members would have been indicted for domestic terrorism, treason, RICO, or something similar. There are certainly White race baiters, but they're not given a mainstream national platform like other groups.



I was kind of surprised that, in at least in one thread, the general consensus among people who aren't White on the forum is that White people should be barred from being allowed to express their cultural identity while every other race or group shouldn't. It's an attitude that I believe will only encourage alienation between groups.

So, race is always going to be a contentious topic for different groups for different reasons. The tension that many people hold privately gets wound up, and when these topics are breached that resentment boils to the forefront. On these issues we're often coming from completely different perspectives, and it's difficult to reconcile and understand each other. These threads almost never end well, but when they come up, we should do our best to stay as dispassionate as possible and read too much into what could be minor details. It will only create wider rifts.

Post: #148

How can you not be sure with how OP intended to use it when you read the entirety of the thread title? "Expected outcome"… what else could he be imlying here? He is literally saying that if you date interacially you will get fucked, and you are debating his true intention? Even without the use of the term "coalburning", the title would read "White woman dates black man, expected outcome". Still racist.

Post: #149

Thoughtgypsy, why do you and others persist in saying "well black people do it too!?"

That has nothing to do with this thread. Rev, Sidney and Nomad can't seem to get off that bit, but I wasn't expecting you to jump on that as well.

I will state this plainly for everyone because no matter how many times I've said it everyone seems to gloss over it and bring it up again:

Of course, Blacks, Asians, and other people are racist.




Who is denying that? This isn't some SJW haven where we say dumb shit like "only people in power can be racist" or some other manner of feminist bullshit.

The real world has idiots, but that isn't how RVF is; we don't kowtow to that sort of behavior. I'd get kicked out of here fast if I said, "you white boys need to lay off our black women." I also don't really give a fuck what you guys do.

You will rarely see black membership on RVF hating on white guys trying to swoop black girls. I've gone out with Asian and White guys from this great forum and seen them hit on Black chicks. I'm all for it. Sure, some idiot outside may not like it, but assuming that we are all complicit in the black anti-Interracial shit is retarded.

That'd be like me assuming all the white guys here tacitly agree with some outlandish race nonsense (like Enfield's thread title choice).

The only reason I took offense to this thread and its title is because guys were coming in here saying that we (black guys) were wrong to be insulted by Enfield's stupid thread title choice. You can point out a man's game without referring to the activity as "coalburning." That sort of thing is cowardly. I don't know if Enfield has bone to pick with black guys and I won't speculate.

It is VERY easy for non-blacks to say "guys, I just said 'nigger' why are you guys getting so angry? It isn't a big deal." but, like Excelsior said, don't expect for shit to be cool between you and the black man in question after something like that.

TG, I've talked to you a lot outside of this forum, so don't take it personally, but I think you're missing the point of why the black membership of RVF is annoyed in the first place.

This isn't to say that we have the final say on anything, but was it really worth it for Enfield to use "coalburning" in his thread title?

Just seems like crass nonsense from an otherwise OK forum member.

Post: #150

I think one should distinguish between the origin of a term and why someone uses it. OP was probably just looking for a laugh and to fit in with the "edgy" language thrown around the manosphere and alt right sites. Even "cuck" has a bit of a racist origin to it but we love to use that one.