Post: #1

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...74646.html

I haven't had a regular desk job since 2008 but remember just how difficult it was to get through 8 + 1 hours at work . Everyone I know uses office hours to read the newspaper , Facebook , research from car insurance to fantasy football . I am always amazed just how many women are online on dating sites during office hours , responding to my messages sporadically while pipelining her weekend shags .


A huge number of industries and jobs people are collecting their paycheck taking 8 hrs to do what could be done in 90 mins of solid intense work .

In most cases the whole work system and pattern has shaped up in a way that this has become the norm . A project which could be wrapped up in a week is taking 6 weeks and because everyone along the hierarchy are all on the same page no one raises fingers at anyone as it suits all employees in the long run .

The current 8 hr work system is heavily flawed and requires readdressing I believe . We should be rewarded for efficiency so we can squeeze more out of our life and have time for that guitar lesson or parkour class twice a week . We should be able to spend more time with our family , travelling the world and being happy . I read somewhere in Japan people pretend to sleep at work to show their bosses just how hard they are working that they dozed off of fatigue .. What if someone showed their boss how much faster they can finish a given task and left home by lunch ?

Post: #2

I would rather have a 4-day workweek (8.5 h/d) instead. Can you imagine the positive impact on people, society in terms of health/wellness and happiness?

Post: #3

Post: #4

Give me 3 days on/12 hr shifts with 4 days off.

If I have to work 8-9 hrs a day, my day is pretty much shot any way. I rather just press on a few extra hours and get two additional uninterrupted days.

That or just give me performance metrics and let me work as I please. If it doesn't get done, fire me. Of course if we did that, about 95% of women would get fired within a month.

Post: #5

I work 12-16 hours a day, 6 days a week. If I was in Sweden, they'd probably chain me out of a building just to prevent me from out working other people.

Post: #6

I second that Black Knight. Working 5, 8 hour days, that's 5 days of your week centered around work, you end up feeling like you live there (unless you work from home!).

What I've learned about life lately, is discipline matters above all. Save your money and spend time wisely so that you can improve your quality of life.

Post: #7

(08-14-2016 06:08 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  Give me 3 days on/12 hr shifts with 4 days off.

If I have to work 8-9 hrs a day, my day is pretty much shot any way. I rather just press on a few extra hours and get two additional uninterrupted days.

That or just give me performance metrics and let me work as I please. If it doesn't get done, fire me. Of course if we did that, about 95% of women would get fired within a month.

You should be a fireman in a big urban department. That is basically their schedule. They trade days so they can take 5 or more days off in a row, too.

Post: #8

This is socialism by another name. Most people with jobs that matter already work far more than 8 hours a day for no pay. Good luck staffing hospitals with doctors and nurses who only work 6 hours. The people who will benefit are women in public sector office jobs who already don't have any real work to do for more than 1-2 hours a day.

Post: #9

I've been thinking about how a 6 day work week would look like (4 work / 3 off). Basically make a whole new month with the extra days and take off the 31st day months to make up for the difference.

To be honest, most work can be done at home. One of my pet peeves about being in England is how much crab in a bucket mentality a lot of office workers have especially from business analysts. If i happen to finish my work at 3 and leave, what harm occurs if I finish the rest of meetings at home?

I just do other things to kill the time. I loathe contract business analysts.

Post: #10

Swedes work? Who knew?

I thought all that rapefugee money came from fairy dust.

Post: #11

Yes, it'll be interesting to see if they can maintain productivity. If not...well, the trade unions fucked up Britain's economy in the 70's with this three day week stuff.

I can't help but think this is to cater to women.

Post: #12

(08-14-2016 06:57 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 06:08 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  Give me 3 days on/12 hr shifts with 4 days off.

If I have to work 8-9 hrs a day, my day is pretty much shot any way. I rather just press on a few extra hours and get two additional uninterrupted days.

That or just give me performance metrics and let me work as I please. If it doesn't get done, fire me. Of course if we did that, about 95% of women would get fired within a month.

You should be a fireman in a big urban department. That is basically their schedule. They trade days so they can take 5 or more days off in a row, too.

Fireman is a great gig if you can get it and are down with staying in one location for 20/25 years and living at the fire house while on-duty. Cops have a similar schedule in certain departments as well.

I did give nursing some serious thought back in the day since a lot hospitals work 3/12s and it's a far more mobile job. Even gave ER doctor some thought since they work shifts by design.

Personally, I can't stand 9-5 for five days a week unless I'm making serious money and/or doing a performance based (with metrics) job. There is just so much wasted time typically; where employers expect you to just be there and watch the clock because "that's how it is." So stupid and a waste of life.

It's a minor miracle I survived the military.

Post: #13

I can't get all my work done in 8 hours per day so I frequently come in 2 hours early and leave 2 hours late. Problem is I have to work with slow systems, if they were designed by NASA or Google instead of some cheap IT contracting firm I could do the same work in half the time.

Post: #14

It's a start in the right direction even if they find it doesn't work out. I think it should be 10 hours a day and only 4 days a week like others have said

Post: #15

I prefer working longer hours in a day but fewer days. 3 days a week with 12 hours is the optimum I try to reach in my life.

Working less days saves a lot of transportation time and energy, sometimes the trip to work and back is even more exhausting then the actual work. Dumb sitting in a car/bus during a traffic jam exhausts me more than actually working.

Also there are things you can fit in a schedule if you have a free day, but you can't if you only have a free evening/afternoon.

Generally most men would feel better with longer but fewer work day's, because men like to get serious and get things done with a passion and then have a long time to relax, play and grow/train.

Men have naturally evolved to work and relax in long sessions from the time they went to hunt the mammoth for several weeks and after their return they relaxed in the cave for several months until the whole mammoth was eaten, during this time they just slept, fucked their women, ordered them around, feasted on mammoth flesh, mentored their children, maybe sharpened their tools at most.

The male Lion is the perfect embodiment of this - the male lion sleeps 20 hours a day, but during the 4 remaining hours he dominates his environment and is therefore called the king of animals / king of the jungle.

More work days with fewer hours are better for women because that's what women are good at - appearing on time, looking good, observing social norms. Women also don't know how to properly relax - constant work - attending children, cleaning home, washing clothes, cooking and foraging is in their nature. Woman's natural role is to work the easy jobs but more constantly.

Whereas all work and no play make men dull boys, women get confused and crazy if they have too much free time and the modern society is an example of this - spoiled rich privileged women creating subversive movements and crying for degeneracy out of too much free time.

So the fact that the workdays are made shorter instead of reducing the amount of workdays shows pretty well that we live in a female's world.

Post: #16

The reason people in America enjoy the standard of living they do is because everyone works and work hours are higher. Reducing them across the board is a careless idea because it will affect productivity significantly where it's needed and affect it marginally where it's not needed.

A guy at the factory cut 4 hours is a lot worse than some one in a support function (eg office) cutting 4 hours.

I'm in sales. I can't not work a full week because that sounds ridiculous to me and leaves my clients high and dry.

Post: #17

(08-14-2016 08:39 AM)Cobra Wrote:  The reason people in America enjoy the standard of living they do is because everyone works and work hours are higher. Reducing them across the board is a careless idea because it will affect productivity significantly where it's needed and affect it marginally where it's not needed.

The reason people in America enjoy the standard of living they do has nothing to do with long working hours. These are the real reasons:

1)America won the WW2
2)America won the cold war
3)American dollar is the reserve currency
4)America has the strongest military in the world and can enforce beneficial trade agreements
5)America has the fed and is the only country that can print out money out of nothing.
6)America aggressively exports it's culture worldwide trough Holywood and McDonalds.

As for longer working hours - try telling that bullshit to Swiss, Norwegians, Swedes, Dutch and Germans - all those countries have a higher standard of living with less work, the only things bad in these countries is feminism and Muslim immigration.

Also Sales is not a real job. It's business. A miner, plumber, electrician, teacher, nurse or factory worker who doesn't get a percentage from his job and only has a fixed salary has a different attitude towards work than you. But their work is more needed then yours.

Post: #18

(08-14-2016 08:45 AM)Mage Wrote:  1)America won the WW2
2)America won the cold war
3)American dollar is the reserve currency
4)America has the strongest military in the world and can enforce beneficial trade agreements
5)America has the fed and is the only country that can print out money out of nothing.
6)America aggressively exports it's culture worldwide trough Holywood and McDonalds.

   

Post: #19

(08-14-2016 08:45 AM)Mage Wrote:  As for longer working hours - try telling that bullshit to Swiss, Norwegians, Swedes, Dutch and Germans - all those countries have a higher standard of living with less work, the only things bad in these countries is feminism and Muslim immigration

And socialism.

Everyone is the same. There is no progress that comes out of those slavic countries. You don't hear about the next big healthcare discovery, the next amazing technology, or anything at all. Germans are an exceptionally industrious people, they shouldn't be mentioned next to the Swedes or Norwegians.

Post: #20

(08-14-2016 09:03 AM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 08:45 AM)Mage Wrote:  As for longer working hours - try telling that bullshit to Swiss, Norwegians, Swedes, Dutch and Germans - all those countries have a higher standard of living with less work, the only things bad in these countries is feminism and Muslim immigration

And socialism.

Everyone is the same. There is no progress that comes out of those slavic countries. You don't hear about the next big healthcare discovery, the next amazing technology, or anything at all. Germans are an exceptionally industrious people, they shouldn't be mentioned next to the Swedes or Norwegians.

LoL. None of these countries is socialist or Slavic. If you have in mind some covert Frankfurt school socialism then it's the same in America too.

Germans work less then Americans - it's hard to find a shop open on Sunday on Germany.

All these European countries did as much innovation than America until WW2 - after that these countries were devastated, best scientists emigrated to America and Germany has to pay fiscal and cultural reparations to this day - that's what Merkel letting in immigrants is - a reparation for WW2. The fact that WW2 made America the sole superpower it is is obvious to anyone but the most brainwashed.

Next thing you guys will argue is that Americans defeated Germans in WW2 and not Soviets. Look patriotism is nice and I am not saying America is bad but you must stay realistic - you are not the God's chosen people.

Post: #21

(08-14-2016 07:04 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  The people who will benefit are women in public sector office jobs who already don't have any real work to do for more than 1-2 hours a day.

I call bullshit on saying this is a female issue. I've been in enough offices in different industries to know there are tons and tons of male 9-5 office drones who are on salary with no performance pay and fuck around for a large portion of the day. Thats corporate america in a nutshell. I've seen people who been in the industry for 30 years making a decent salary just staring at the screen doing literally nothing. Just day dreaming to kill time because there is no way they are going to be busting there ass 8 hours for no performance based metrics. These are very common things.

Post: #22

The vast majority of what people call "work" these days is actually completely unnecessary for the maintenance and support of modern society. Most people are employed in jobs that could, at best, be considered "makework". At worst, many of these jobs, far from being socially productive, are actively parasitical and harmful to society.

The millions of office drones working bullshit white collar jobs in HR, administrative support and other such nonsense? Makework.

The thousands of companies subsidized by wasteful government contracts? Parasites.

The millions of people employed pushing paper in government bureaucracies? Makework.

The millions of people employed in anti-social commercial activity like gambling, payday loans, ambulance chasing/frivolous lawsuits, high speed trading, selling shit quality food, money lending, the medical extortion racket, selling bullshit products on the internet, etc... Parasites.

I'd estimate maybe 20% of current jobs are actually productive and beneficial to society. Everyone else is a beneficiary of the largesse produced by that 20%, either through direct support with makework positions or through opportunistic parasitism on the actual productive workers.

Post: #23

How exactly are you defining whats good for society? If a white collar job produces wages which the worker can then reinvest into the economy, rather than rely on government handouts, isn't that good for society?

Post: #24

(08-14-2016 08:45 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 08:39 AM)Cobra Wrote:  The reason people in America enjoy the standard of living they do is because everyone works and work hours are higher. Reducing them across the board is a careless idea because it will affect productivity significantly where it's needed and affect it marginally where it's not needed.

The reason people in America enjoy the standard of living they do has nothing to do with long working hours. These are the real reasons:

1)America won the WW2
2)America won the cold war
3)American dollar is the reserve currency
4)America has the strongest military in the world and can enforce beneficial trade agreements
5)America has the fed and is the only country that can print out money out of nothing.
6)America aggressively exports it's culture worldwide trough Holywood and McDonalds.

As for longer working hours - try telling that bullshit to Swiss, Norwegians, Swedes, Dutch and Germans - all those countries have a higher standard of living with less work, the only things bad in these countries is feminism and Muslim immigration.

Also Sales is not a real job. It's business. A miner, plumber, electrician, teacher, nurse or factory worker who doesn't get a percentage from his job and only has a fixed salary has a different attitude towards work than you. But their work is more needed then yours.

America was the richest country in the world before any of those things you mentioned happened. We become a economic power by manufacturing and exporting our goods around the world well before World War 2.

Sweden and Norway have benefited tremendously from America winning World War 2 and peace in Europe. 200 years ago, if I were England and I knew Norway had all that oil, I would've tried to take it.

Post: #25

Europe losing millions and millions of men to the world wars didn't hurt America either.