Post: #51

(07-30-2016 10:07 AM)Crisp Wrote:  Let me see if I'm understanding many of the Johnny Do-nothings in this thread. Never help a woman being beaten (the woman in this story was seriously injured) because at the very least she's a skank. (that reasoning seems similar to the sjw thinking that all men are potential rapists.) Also, don't do it because anytime a male does something to aid a female it means you are a white knight. Ok got it.

What about helping a guy that's being beaten? Don't help because, well because fuck that, I ain't no homo coming to white knight a dude. How about an elderly person? Would that be ok? Because if they were any kind of decent person they wouldn't be alone and their children would have seen that they were well cared for. How about a smaller kid? I shouldn't help because I can rationalize it as he's learning a valuable life lesson to hit the gym. What about an animal being abused? For sure not a cat, because cats are for single women and faggots and I'm neither of those. Not a dog either because frankly our society values animal life too much.

Anyways, I guess one guy's white knighting is what another guy would call having a conscience.

Well if you want to play batman make sure you have a gun on you because there's no telling what shit you're getting yourself involved in. See OP.

I'll just call the cops. Unless I know the people involved, there's no reason to be involved. Unless it's children. Then I know at least one party is innocent.

Post: #52

I've seen a lot of military guys and martial artists being overconfident in their abilities and get needlessly involved in street drama. Just because you have training in defence doesn't mean you shouldn't exercise caution. This is going to keep happening.

Post: #53

(07-30-2016 07:41 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  I've seen a lot of military guys and martial artists being overconfident in their abilities and get needlessly involved in street drama. Just because you have training in defence doesn't mean you shouldn't exercise caution. This is going to keep happening.

Where did you pull that from? It sure wasn't mentioned in the thread at all.


You guys arguing with me have no leg to stand on and have repeatedly fallen back on purposely misconstruing and shifting the goal post.

Post: #54

(07-30-2016 08:10 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 07:41 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  I've seen a lot of military guys and martial artists being overconfident in their abilities and get needlessly involved in street drama. Just because you have training in defence doesn't mean you shouldn't exercise caution. This is going to keep happening.

Where did you pull that from? It sure wasn't mentioned in the thread at all.


You guys arguing with me have no leg to stand on and have repeatedly fallen back on purposely misconstruing and shifting the goal post.

My post wasn't directed at you. My post is anecdotal and reflects my perspective of people with defence training in general.

I know a guy with 3rd-dan black belt in karate. He felt confident in his ability enough to walk around NYC alone at 3AM. He thought "I am the danger." Needless to say he got mugged by a small group of thugs that had a bat and ended up in hospital care. There are many other anecdotes and they all have this common thread of needlessly putting themselves out there.

Post: #55

(07-30-2016 08:10 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  ...
You guys arguing with me have no leg to stand on and have repeatedly fallen back on purposely misconstruing and shifting the goal post.

Post: #56

Leonard, you're, and many others, feel as if your masculinity has been threatened and rightfully so.

That gif is a strong retort. I'm not sure what I was thinking before and this undoubtedly will cause me to reflect on my ideas. How could I have been so wrong?






Bonus question for the forum:
What do you think more likely happened while Sweden devolved into the hellhole it is now: A) a massive epidemic of white knighting B) effete and angry Swedish men withdrawing from society and taking on a generally antisocial philosophy?

Post: #57

TS, what you're missing is that this "society" you speak of largely no longer exists.

In many places there is no longer a sense of "us". There is "my people" and there is "their people". Going to the aid of a woman, you are statistically more likely to be protecting a hostile political demographic than you are a friendly one. In America this is even worse than elsewhere because if they turn on you in court and you're convicted of a felony then you'll lose your right to vote or own a gun, and the liberals/criminals will laugh and laugh and laugh.

You're preaching a code of ethics that belongs in Rockwells America of 1950, thinking what precisely? That it will bring back an age of chivalry?

Honest question. A woman in muslim garb is being beaten by a male muslim in an alley. There are no witnesses other than your yourself. What do you do?

p.s. I'd like you to start listing your masculinity credentials if you're going to start insulting the rest of us for not trying to play Batman. I'm assuming they run a little deeper than tough-guy talk on the internet.

Post: #58

Leonard D Neubache

Let's just tackle the question you posed real quick so we can get to business.

Quote:Honest question. A woman in muslim garb is being beaten by a male muslim in an alley. There are no witnesses other than your yourself. What do you do?

Laugh. Third world savages aren't people I care about, nor do they belong in my society. This isn't relational to anything discussed thus far. My peopleare the concern to me. I'm not silly enough to imagine a muslim couple will ever be part of my society. Why are the women of my society also acting out of concert and sometimes in directly antagonistic ways? Continued below*

Quote:TS, what you're missing is that this "society" you speak of largely no longer exists.

I'm flabbergasted you said that society no longer exists. It does where I reside. I can't help that many of you suffer the weakness of your own cultures along the east coast, Australia and the UK. Gee, I wonder if the dispositions and interests of the men in these societies have anything to do with their collapse.

Quote:Going to the aid of a woman, you are statistically more likely to be protecting a hostile political demographic than you are a friendly one

LOL. Women=the enemy.
Ok I'm laughing, but I'm actually saddened by this. You guys have lost touch with reality by too often grumbling over the woes of being male in western society. The flood of articles shared here shows a steady flow of cultural friction that's increased in a ever more nihilistic culture, but only someone not interacting with the wider populous would think that it's representative of the majority. It's all just some awful nature they collectively share, right? What happened to simply acknowledging that they operate on a different scheme in life and not relegating their collective nature to not even being worthy of being rescued from a physical altercation? Far as I remember, RVF wasn't about hating women.



You guys act like "man up" is conjuring the devil because you can't stand the truth of what it means.
*Newsflash--the natural world is harsh. Women will always be less willing to face its harshness because they're far less physically capable. Sometimes that presents as deviant personalities within the society that need to be dealt with for order to resume. When men are willing to face it, civilizations emerge from barbarity.

When men don't face the harshness of nature(be it from a lack of gratitude from women or they decide they shouldn't be accountable to the physical role)civilizations fall and barbarity emerges again. This isn't the bronze age or Sumer. You don't teach women a lesson by recoiling or demanding direct reward for your unfortunate role designated by nature itself.
Anything fighting this is idiocy. This is the modern era. You don't get to have your cake. Another clan that kept their wits together will capitalize on the opportunity and destroy yours. The only choice that results in maintaining the civilization is the hard route that none of you have the stomach for. A bunch of overly self-interested men withdrawing from wider society and the social contract to engage in hedonistic abandon. I think that's why Rome fell. Richard Sennett wrote about it.

"It's not about punishing women! It's just about me!"
Ok, choose that route. It still won't stop the collapse around you and eventually you'll run out of places to escape to. As for societies that held their people together, why would they welcome you? Numbers is the undeniable power in the civilizational era. Quality is the magic that holds it together. The ill of our time is that many of you think your actions play no part in the greater rot on the society as a whole or hypocritically judge the female sex for standards you won't hold yourselves to. On one hand you want to game women for maximum lays, yet complain about female moral quality and desire virgins. On one hand you want wholesome and optimistically feminine women, but engage in philosophies of cynicism and selfishness. Maybe your godless pessimism is to blame here.



I want to state one last time that I didn't enter this debate to shame others for not wanting to intervene, but you collectively allowed me to capitalize on such an explanation anyway.

I'm debating this because someone tastelessly decided to depict the actions of two men trying to do what they believed was in interest of the common good as some sort of shameful act and attached to it a shameful connotation. Some of you felt called out by that and reacted. That says more about what you feel than what I typed. It's not on me.



As my signature states, I'm not angry, but I am disgusted.

Quote:I'd like you to start listing your masculinity credentials

No Leonard. That's on you, the thread creator and the others that smeared two dead men. Based on what transpired on the first page of this thread, you took the condescending daddy tone with others being woefully smug.

Post: #59

delete:

On second thoughts, fuck that whole post.

You get the same offer. A posthumous medal of honor, awarded by me, for saving the low rent bar skank of your choice.

I'll even honor a holiday in your name.

Post: #60

I see you accepted you have no argument. I'm done here

Post: #61

Again and again the lesson displays itself-- stay away from bars, where people get drunk and have the same conversations over and over.

Post: #62

White knights.

The round table beckons.

http://www.artofmanliness.com/

Post: #63

(07-31-2016 03:57 AM)TonySandos Wrote:  I see you accepted you have no argument. I'm done here

Plenty of people have made plenty of good arguments.

Your response. "TonySandos has determined that the arguments of the opponents of TonySandos are invalid. TonySandos hereby grants victory to TonySandos. Well done TonySandos."

I'm not going to bother wasting my time counterpointing TonySandos in a debate that is apparently adjudicated by TonySandos and scored by TonySandos.

Post: #64

Nine times out of ten, while you're defending m'lady, you'll suddenly feel a knife in your back - put there by her.

THAT is why people are saying not to defend random bar skanks. Be extremely judicious about whom you allow into your tribe.