Post: #51

Achieve success+freedom and look back thinking that I did good with what I was given. So far I feel I've been doing a good enough job on that track.

Post: #52

I don't know about everyone else but I'm still hoping Linux drops a massive post in here.

Post: #53

I would also love to hear Linux give his take.

Post: #54

Quote:What is the point of everything?

There isn't any, until you ascribe one. Humans are meaning-making Beings. Meaning doesn't exist in things themselves; if you look for meaning in life or anything else, you won't find it, because you're looking in the wrong place. You have to make a choice to find meaning.

And you can change your mind if whatever meaning you ascribe to life stops working for you. It's a choice, and you can change it.

Quote:What would be the difference between ending things today and continuing life as it is…

That would be a step backwards.

The Kosmos does not consist of random blobs of randomness. It's increasing in organization despite entropy. It's self-organizing.

If you destroy one instance of the pinnacle of order--a human life (and specifically a human mind-brain)--then you've just set things back that much.

Push forward. Evolve.

Quote:What is your motivation to keep on keeping on?

Bear with me. Rather than answering the question, let me explain why the question is hard to answer at first glance...

To be human is to be born an animal that must transcend its animal-nature...or give up on living...

Quote:Humans are the only animal that have to be encouraged to live--Friedrich Nietzsche (except he said it in German)

Most animals can not anticipate events more than a few minutes into the future. Even great apes can't understand the concept of "tomorrow". Most animals live in the present moment.

Most animals therefor have no fear of death. They fear predators. They fear accidents. But they don't actually fear death itself, because they don't realize they're going to die. Bearing in mind they can't run simulations of the future accurate enough or long enough into the future to anticipate their own demise. Even when they discover one of their own kind dead, and feel bad about it, they can't quite make the jump to inferring their own death. When they're dying, they think "I don't feel good".

The exceptions are animals that pass the mirror test (animals that recognize themselves in the mirror). Cetaceans (dolphins and whales), elephants, and great apes are capable of figuring out their own mortality. And, not surprisingly, they have the same problems with getting depressed over the deaths of their loved ones, and cetaceans at least have been known to commit suicide--the only other animals than humans who intentionally do that (lemmings don't really commit suicide--and if they did, it wouldn't be intentional...it doesn't even quite occur to them as an option...).

Humans can run simulations into the indefinite future. We anticipate our own demise. It's not only our own mortality that discourages us--it's looking ahead to see that everything we do in life amounts to...nothing.

It destroys our entire motivational system. Especially when we start to realize that we can self-reward at will. We're like the rat in the cage that starves to death pressing the button that stimulates the pleasure-center of its brain--instead of eating and drinking. Except that unlike the rat--we can do that to ourselves. Easily. We're prone to pointless addictions...like no other animal...

Quote:I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

Your friend has a choice: he can revert to his animal-nature, living in the present moment, experiencing animal pleasures and pains, or he can make the leap to Übermenschlicheit. But the boundary itself, humanity, is a dangerous place.

Quote:Now for some practical advice: keep in frequent contact with him, make sure he spends time outdoors daily, gets sunshine, regular excercise, and some good laughter. That's how you discourage him from getting depressed.

Be a good friend and listen to Dr. Walsh:

Walsh-8 Simple Lifestyle Tips To Improve Your Health And Happiness Pt1
Walsh-8 Simple Lifestyle Tips To Improve Your Health And Happiness Pt2

Transcendence really means "transcend AND include". Übermenschen embrace their animal-nature, even as they come to embrace their own God-nature.

You kiss the wheel of Samsara as it crushes you.

Birth implies death.
Health implies sickness.
Abundance implies want.
Companionship implies loneliness.

Death implies birth.
Sickness implies health.
Want implies abundance.
Loneliness implies companionship.

Samsara is not other than Nirvana.

Post: #55

The meaning of life for any living organism, to paraphrase Nietzsche, is simple. To exert one's strength

Post: #56

(07-10-2016 12:17 AM)NFallin Wrote:  I don't know about everyone else but I'm still hoping Linux drops a massive post in here.

(07-11-2016 06:43 PM)Blackwell Wrote:  I would also love to hear Linux give his take.

I have a feeling he won't be coming back to this thread, and that he never intended to share it anyway.

To answer OP's question, the purpose of life is to survive. Without survival there is no life.

Post: #57

(06-25-2016 02:18 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Bonus: remaining unmoved by the emotional storms of women is a huge game advantage.

Not just a 'huge' game advantage, perhaps the 'biggest' game advantage you could have, depending on situation.

Never, ever, under any circumstance, no matter what you 'feel' or what you 'believe', or god forbid, what you 'know', place another man's head above your own. Buddha taught this. I'll narrow it down a bit: Never place a woman's head above your own!

This will take extreme stoicism. It will involve reversing the programming of a lifetime. They still get me with it. The bit where they break down and cry, sobbing uncontrollably like the 5 year old child they are not. DNA's a bitch!

But be that ruthless bastard! Extend this out also to the level of your mother! That's right. She's a woman too. She will manipulate you if she can. She will answer to her husband while he is alive, but when he is gone, it is you she will look to and expect to take care of her.

Not all mothers are like that? Maybe. But if yours is? This is an extreme example, but if you can extend this attitude of 'arms-length-analysis' towards the woman that bore you, and in all probability is one of the few women that ever did unconditionally love you, then you will have no problem fucking in to touch that charlatan that is playing you like a fiddle.

I only quickly skipped over this thread, but again, I've found some nuggets of wisdom.

Life is hard enough without being a mug for the female of the species. She will have nothing to do with you when you are on your uppers. She will not help you when you are down. She will however milk you in whatever way she can if there is something you can do for her.

I know that others read these posts outside of RVF. I know exactly what they will think of that last statement. So be it.

In this life, you only rely on yourself, and perhaps a few well chosen proven mates. Extend it out from there, but with less trust. Even your best mate can betray you.

True happiness comes from self-reliance and self-sufficiency and true suffering comes from not having that. You might have the car and the house and the job, but still not be self-reliant or self-sufficient at core. Women fish for men like you! And once hooked, it is a one way trip to the bottom of the ocean, job lost, friends lost, family lost in some cases. Worst case scenario, but you have been warned.

I got off lightly, but others I know, not so much.

Self-sufficient, self-reliant men are never bitter. They might be bruised. They won't even blame a woman for their downfall (even if that was the case), but they will take full responsibility themselves.

As you get older, you look deeper into yourself. You admit your own personal failings in a way that you would never allow another to do. People mean less to you, as you can spot those that try to inveigle and ingratiate. Conversely, you see the beauty in those that just take you for what you are. Faults and all. On both sides. There can be union between disparate characters.

I'm writing the post I didn't want to write, so I'll stop there.

The advice that AB gave that I quoted at the top of this post, is what I gave to a few young lads I was producing (some of them friends in fact, of family at least).

Have a girlfriend, but don't get involved.

Assume she is going to fuck your best mate to get back at you and to destroy your friendship.

Never live with a woman.

If you live with a woman, it should be your own place and she should have somewhere to go if you chuck her out the door. If she doesn't, be prepared to put her on the street. There is no law against it. Women do that to men every day.

The woman you love, who you think loves you, does not love you, she loves an aspect of you, or something you can do for her.

Always have an escape route.


Etc. etc.

I do realise how bitterly cynical that will come across to our critics. But I stand by my analysis.

When a man is strong, other men won't usually fuck with him. But a woman can easily bring him down. He might as well have been weak. When he is strong, he can take the love of a good woman and it makes him stronger. He will build her up too. He will cherish her. The Mother of his children, he will protect her like no other. No harm will come to her. She will know true love in this life.

But the prudent man does not give his love so easily. And when it is given, it is with 'considerations'. It takes a lot for a woman to prove herself to a man. Most will not bother. When you find one that fights for your affections, and proves herself time and time again, then it is time...

What is the purpose of life, you ask?

To survive.
To endure.
To overcome.
To be self-reliant in all of this. First and foremost.
To have a confidante or a single friend you trust.
To have a wife. Who you can trust.
To have children. Who you teach. Who will not let you down.

I've seen some great men achieve great things, only for their legacy to be pissed on by ungrateful children who sully their memory.

Start with yourself, then work your way out. A good friend comes before a good bride in my book. Why? That should be obvious.

If you have children, lock those little buggers down and treat them well and teach them right! Shakespeare wrote many a play about the treachery of children who usurped otherwise indestructible empires.


Sorry, tangent.

A seed gets planted in my garden, and I just can't help but water it sometimes.

Post: #58

^ Great post, thanks.

Post: #59

To me, life has no purpose. Just get as much as pleasure until you breathe last time.

Post: #60

Depression is less about an intellectual quandary of "purpose" and more about your brain just not functioning well.

The solution is physiological/emotional changes:

-Bright light therapy
-Exercise - preferably outside
-Fixing diet: lots of good fats + protein, minimal caffeine, sugar, wheat, dairy
-Possible amino acid therapy to rebalance neurotransmitters (See book "The Mood Cure")
-Regularizing sleep
-Possible talk therapy to address root causes (most talk therapy is shit, but some are very effective)
-Visualization and goal-setting

Once you fix this stuff, the intellectual problem of purpose will just not seem important. Motivation and passion will naturally arise and you'll find yourself tuning in to what's important for you to do in this life, and full of energy to do it.

An analogy would be sex: No logical point whatsoever in it, but humans with healthy brains, genitals and hormonal systems are strongly driven to do it and it's super important to us. Like, a core priority. Same with "purpose" - you find it when your brain and body are working properly.

Post: #61

(06-22-2016 03:40 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  Why must life have a single 'purpose'?

The use of your life is its meaning.

First as another commented mentioned it's important to separate depression from philosophical musings-- They can be linked but one is not the other. Depression is your brain malfunctioning, just like your heart or lungs can. Depression is a physical disease with mental manifestations, and there are physical and mental techniques to treat it.

As far as the abstract philosophy
I was brought up without being indoctrinated into any religion. It is hard to buy into a Sky God when there is no day to day evidence for it.

So I thought about this question and to me my understanding of existentialism is an adequate answer.

Basically, the universe is random and doesn't care about you or anyone else, except it can and must utterly destroy you lol.

So there is no inherent meaning in the universe, but you can create meaning for yourself for the duration of your existence by your actions, as H1N1 says, by the "use of your life." You learn to play the guitar, you bring water to remote Cambodian villagers, you decide to persecute a particular ethnic group-- pick your meaning.

Post: #62

(06-22-2016 01:47 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  Tell him all those thoughts stem from not having a kid.

Never met a father who muttered that crap.

/thread

So simply true.
I have 2 children (Boy & Girl) and an English Bulldog.
"Without a purpose" is the very last thought on my mind for the last 7 years.

Possibly your friend may try to
1) Start a Family
2) Adopt a Child in Need
3) Get a Dog
(Cats are Gay, never get a Cat under any circumstance, as they may cause spontaneous reversion back to Blue Pill.)
4) Take on a Young Mentor to guide and mold into a Legendary Player

Post: #63

(10-07-2016 11:30 AM)ScrapperTL Wrote:  Cats are Gay, never get a Cat under any circumstance, as they may cause spontaneous reversion back to Blue Pill.

Post: #64

Cats are gay.

On the original topic, I search for the perfect turn.

I suspect this my change when my daughter is born in January. Then I'll report back if there is a greater meaning other than the perfect turn.

Post: #65

Okay, I will bite.

I could give you a thousand different reasons to what life is about. Raising kids, making money, having sex... But lets broaden our views. Everything I just mentioned eventually ends with one looming, inescapable reality. Death.

The purpose of life, is death. People much smarter than you or I have lived and died a thousand times. We are nothing but a small spec in a vast lineage of men and women. The only thing separating birth and death is time. That's it. Considering how little time we have on this earth in relation to the age of the universe, I'd say it is insignificant.

So, this prompts the question; with your own mortality and short amount of time on this earth, what do you do? Simple, whatever the fuck you want! My plan, as I am young, is to get strong, gain wisdom, and love whatever job I do. This answer will be different for everyone, however it is important to understand that no matter how bad you are feeling, you are only here for a short time. You best not waste your time wondering why you are here. Because sooner or later, you won't have a brain to ponder with. Live life to the fullest, it is all you or I can do.


Best of luck...

Post: #66

Wealth dynamics and Roger Hamilton's work with Your LIfe Your Legacy is some of the best material/writing ive seen on this, combining passion and purpose into one overall arching theme. It seems to be the strategies of the most successful game changing entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. For myself through these materials ive learned im a creator type profile, and therefore my passion and purpose is in creating/inventing great products and ideas, and building a team around that to support that endeavor

Post: #67

I have spent whole weekend thinking about the purpose. The only masculine example for me - my grandfather, who actually took the role of my father in my life passed away. And I started to think, did he feel fulfiled and satisfied? He was succesful in his life, got high (doctor) education in law, got high rank at criminal police and when politics and other shit involved, he maintained his honor and left. Raised two daughters. His whole life he was married to one woman and I would definitely say he was traditional, that man with very strict and demanding lifestyle.
There were two influences in my life. Influences coming from my parents that rather tried to take me into underachiever lifestyle and then his influence - which always kept me at least with on leg on that strict lifestyle. Probably thanks to him I live my life as active sportsman, I made a degree and so on.
Would he do anything differently in his life? Did he regret he married one woman, instead of hedonist lifestyle? I bet he regret nothing.
When he got deseased, he knew there´s not much time left. Even though he didn´t want to be seen weak and he struggled. I would like to know if a man feels some self-pity in this case. Or if he takes it as a part of destiny a feels some-kind satisfaction when he sees what´s left from him. A family, friends, people who like him and work done.
It takes me to idea, isn´t the purpose for man to supress his ego and commit his life to his family and people?
As I said, he had two daughters and both of them married fools and later divorced them. Their todays boyfriends are not bad, they bring hard-earned money to family, but they are underachievers. He was the only big person in the family and tried to teach me to be the same, when I was younger I didn´t understand it, but recently I got it. Maybe my purpose is to continue as him, achieve and make our family great again. Suppress the ego and build it.

We are told that we have enough time to start a family (and more children are bad) or we don´t have to do it but maybe it´s just bullshit that came from autorities who don´t want white people to survive. When you start a family, you won´t have so much money to enjoy, so much freedom to enjoy and so much opportunities to enjoy. You can´t sleep every weekend with different girl (which is not bad though). Todays authorities and system teaches us that we don´t need to take responsibility and decisions...... but is not being MAN actually about taking responsibility and decisions?

I agree everybody should spend some part of his life hedonistic way, but if you commit your whole life to these empty things, in the end you will be empty too. You will see nothing left behind you. I spent a lot of time partying like there´s not tomorrow, chasing one night pussies... that was part of my youth. But if I continue it, it won´t give me anything anymore, no long-term satisfaction or fulfilment.

Post: #68

(10-16-2016 02:52 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  I have spent whole weekend thinking about the purpose. The only masculine example for me - my grandfather, who actually took the role of my father in my life passed away. And I started to think, did he feel fulfiled and satisfied? He was succesful in his life, got high (doctor) education in law, got high rank at criminal police and when politics and other shit involved, he maintained his honor and left. Raised two daughters. His whole life he was married to one woman and I would definitely say he was traditional, that man with very strict and demanding lifestyle.
There were two influences in my life. Influences coming from my parents that rather tried to take me into underachiever lifestyle and then his influence - which always kept me at least with on leg on that strict lifestyle. Probably thanks to him I live my life as active sportsman, I made a degree and so on.
Would he do anything differently in his life? Did he regret he married one woman, instead of hedonist lifestyle? I bet he regret nothing.
When he got deseased, he knew there´s not much time left. Even though he didn´t want to be seen weak and he struggled. I would like to know if a man feels some self-pity in this case. Or if he takes it as a part of destiny a feels some-kind satisfaction when he sees what´s left from him. A family, friends, people who like him and work done.
It takes me to idea, isn´t the purpose for man to supress his ego and commit his life to his family and people?
As I said, he had two daughters and both of them married fools and later divorced them. Their todays boyfriends are not bad, they bring hard-earned money to family, but they are underachievers. He was the only big person in the family and tried to teach me to be the same, when I was younger I didn´t understand it, but recently I got it. Maybe my purpose is to continue as him, achieve and make our family great again. Suppress the ego and build it.

We are told that we have enough time to start a family (and more children are bad) or we don´t have to do it but maybe it´s just bullshit that came from autorities who don´t want white people to survive. When you start a family, you won´t have so much money to enjoy, so much freedom to enjoy and so much opportunities to enjoy. You can´t sleep every weekend with different girl (which is not bad though). Todays authorities and system teaches us that we don´t need to take responsibility and decisions...... but is not being MAN actually about taking responsibility and decisions?

I agree everybody should spend some part of his life hedonistic way, but if you commit your whole life to these empty things, in the end you will be empty too. You will see nothing left behind you. I spent a lot of time partying like there´s not tomorrow, chasing one night pussies... that was part of my youth. But if I continue it, it won´t give me anything anymore, no long-term satisfaction or fulfilment.

What a great fucking post.


It seems as though are natural instincts as men is to pass on our legacy and name. However in our current society, large and majorly important things such as having kids has been reduced to nothing more than a "choice" and it maddens me.

I still stand by my previous comment, however I think that a major aspect of life is parenthood, raising your own son. Bonding with him and teaching him about the way of men.

It should be considered a necessary responsibility by all men on RVF to eventually have children and pass on our collective wisdom to a new generation. Because without the wisdom and knowledge from all of the men on this forum, we will eventually forget all traditional traits of masculinity, only to be replaced only by feminine traits that will lead to a population of pussified men and matriarchal women.


Again, great post.

Post: #69

For anyone contemplating the meaning of life, I highly recommend the book of Ecclesiastes, from the Bible. It's only about 20 pages, you can read it in a couple of hours, very short.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...esiastes+1

But before you read it, a word of warning:

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief."

Be careful what you wish for.

Post: #70

Many things can change in the future. Look at how things have changed from 2 generations ago to now. We live in a culture and a time in the world where change happens incredibly fast. Everyone has things they'd like to forget: their past, their history, family troubles, divorce, etc. but the reality is a true man lives and has success in this world despite all of these obstacles.

Post: #71

In addition, maybe this will help: http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-trut...er-person/

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(07-14-2016 07:55 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 02:18 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Bonus: remaining unmoved by the emotional storms of women is a huge game advantage.

Not just a 'huge' game advantage, perhaps the 'biggest' game advantage you could have, depending on situation.

Never, ever, under any circumstance, no matter what you 'feel' or what you 'believe', or god forbid, what you 'know', place another man's head above your own. Buddha taught this. I'll narrow it down a bit: Never place a woman's head above your own!

This will take extreme stoicism. It will involve reversing the programming of a lifetime. They still get me with it. The bit where they break down and cry, sobbing uncontrollably like the 5 year old child they are not. DNA's a bitch!

But be that ruthless bastard! Extend this out also to the level of your mother! That's right. She's a woman too. She will manipulate you if she can. She will answer to her husband while he is alive, but when he is gone, it is you she will look to and expect to take care of her.

Not all mothers are like that? Maybe. But if yours is? This is an extreme example, but if you can extend this attitude of 'arms-length-analysis' towards the woman that bore you, and in all probability is one of the few women that ever did unconditionally love you, then you will have no problem fucking in to touch that charlatan that is playing you like a fiddle.

I only quickly skipped over this thread, but again, I've found some nuggets of wisdom.

Life is hard enough without being a mug for the female of the species. She will have nothing to do with you when you are on your uppers. She will not help you when you are down. She will however milk you in whatever way she can if there is something you can do for her.

I know that others read these posts outside of RVF. I know exactly what they will think of that last statement. So be it.

In this life, you only rely on yourself, and perhaps a few well chosen proven mates. Extend it out from there, but with less trust. Even your best mate can betray you.

True happiness comes from self-reliance and self-sufficiency and true suffering comes from not having that. You might have the car and the house and the job, but still not be self-reliant or self-sufficient at core. Women fish for men like you! And once hooked, it is a one way trip to the bottom of the ocean, job lost, friends lost, family lost in some cases. Worst case scenario, but you have been warned.

I got off lightly, but others I know, not so much.

Self-sufficient, self-reliant men are never bitter. They might be bruised. They won't even blame a woman for their downfall (even if that was the case), but they will take full responsibility themselves.

As you get older, you look deeper into yourself. You admit your own personal failings in a way that you would never allow another to do. People mean less to you, as you can spot those that try to inveigle and ingratiate. Conversely, you see the beauty in those that just take you for what you are. Faults and all. On both sides. There can be union between disparate characters.

I'm writing the post I didn't want to write, so I'll stop there.

The advice that AB gave that I quoted at the top of this post, is what I gave to a few young lads I was producing (some of them friends in fact, of family at least).

Have a girlfriend, but don't get involved.

Assume she is going to fuck your best mate to get back at you and to destroy your friendship.

Never live with a woman.

If you live with a woman, it should be your own place and she should have somewhere to go if you chuck her out the door. If she doesn't, be prepared to put her on the street. There is no law against it. Women do that to men every day.

The woman you love, who you think loves you, does not love you, she loves an aspect of you, or something you can do for her.

Always have an escape route.


Etc. etc.

I do realise how bitterly cynical that will come across to our critics. But I stand by my analysis.

When a man is strong, other men won't usually fuck with him. But a woman can easily bring him down. He might as well have been weak. When he is strong, he can take the love of a good woman and it makes him stronger. He will build her up too. He will cherish her. The Mother of his children, he will protect her like no other. No harm will come to her. She will know true love in this life.

But the prudent man does not give his love so easily. And when it is given, it is with 'considerations'. It takes a lot for a woman to prove herself to a man. Most will not bother. When you find one that fights for your affections, and proves herself time and time again, then it is time...

What is the purpose of life, you ask?

To survive.
To endure.
To overcome.
To be self-reliant in all of this. First and foremost.
To have a confidante or a single friend you trust.
To have a wife. Who you can trust.
To have children. Who you teach. Who will not let you down.

I've seen some great men achieve great things, only for their legacy to be pissed on by ungrateful children who sully their memory.

Start with yourself, then work your way out. A good friend comes before a good bride in my book. Why? That should be obvious.

If you have children, lock those little buggers down and treat them well and teach them right! Shakespeare wrote many a play about the treachery of children who usurped otherwise indestructible empires.


Sorry, tangent.

A seed gets planted in my garden, and I just can't help but water it sometimes.

Post: #72

Serious biochemistry issues aside ... depression/malaise that comes from discontent over life events, if you don't slip over the edge does have a tendency to be self-correcting in some ways eventually. It's not for any rainbows and unicorns reason ... not saying any of that "how you feel is up to you" tripe. It's that when life craps on you, eventually your depression turns into lowered expectations. I know, that's not an inspiring message. The truth is though, if you (or anyone you know) gets SO depressed that suicide would even be contemplated ... with a little frame reset, there are probably new goals and approaches available that can become a new focus and purpose.

When you have little to lose and low expectations, there is a lot of freedom in that. You give less f**ks about taking a shot at things. You can enjoy the little things more if, instead of comparing it to your old expectations, you compare it to putting a bullet in your own brain.

Post: #73

(06-22-2016 01:47 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  Tell him all those thoughts stem from not having a kid.

Never met a father who muttered that crap.

/thread

There could be more than one way that having a kid would prevent suicidal thinking, though. Maybe the kid makes the father too happy to want to kill himself, or maybe the father just feels morally obligated to remain alive for the sake of his kid, even though he still hates life just as much as (or maybe more than) before he had a kid.

This makes me think, though -- another reason why it's so bad to take away kids from their dads is that it could destabilize the father by depriving him of his reason for living. There have been a lot of suicides by parents whose kids were taken away by CPS, and I'm sure that applies to loss of custody due to couples' splitting up too. For example, the Derek Walker case.