Post: #1

The thread about the bastardisation of father's day got me to thinking. People lament the loss of the father figure in today's single parent society but the absence of a father also equals the absence of a grandfather into the next generation.

The reality of being a father is that you spend a lot of time in your provider role. Grandparents on the other hand typically don't have much to do. Traditionally it falls to them to pass on the tribal knowledge. This is perhaps the origin of the belief that certain traits skip a generation.

Beyond this, the older people get the more red-pill they become and it seems to me in many ways that the absence of a grandfather is not something to underestimate.

Having never had access to a grandfather unit, I'm interested to hear from people who did and how (if at all) it affected their lives.

Post: #2

My maternal grandfather played a huge role in shaping me into the man I am today. He's still alive.

I was having lunch with him, my grandmother, and my mother the other day. I said something along the lines of "I don't take women seriously." My grandmother and mother went after me as though I said some awful thing. He looked at me and said "I bet they love it. It's so counterintuitive."

He was a bit of a player before he got married and I'm sure he had at least one or two affairs.

Post: #3

In my experience, 90% of things my grandfather says end up being true, but they don't end up being true until I sit down, reflect on the situation and then go "oh shit. He's right!"

He's a lot more clever than I give him credit for and probably much more clever than I think he is. He's human, of course, but it's very hard to appreciate how much a person can learn in the span of nearly 80 years. It's also hard to really think on their level, especially when you're nearly 1/4th that person's age.

I am 100% certain that I would be a significantly worse (and weaker) person had he not taken in interest in my life.

I'm very grateful to have him in my life.

Post: #4

Same here. Grandfathers were your father's role model at some point, which helped your father shape you like the man you are. I always get solid advice from my 2 grandfathers.

Post: #5

Grandfathers are awesome. A golden resource

Post: #6

As Fortis said, my maternal grandfather shaped me more than anyone else in my life. From my common sense approach to things, my sense of humor, and also how I talk to myself like a homeless mental patient. He said things to me in passing as a child, and when I was old enough and mature enough to understand it was like an epiphany. And I mean that in the true sense of the word.

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Post: #8

My grandfather was orphaned from a young age. His father died of TB when he was 2, his mother was murder by alcoholic step father when he was 7, and he was working at the age of 10. Never went to high school.

While working up to three jobs, he managed to raise a family of 7, start a million dollar business and practically being the patriatch of a tribe of 20+ grandchildren and 30+ great grand children, this after being an only child. He made sure his wife never had to work a day either.

Retired at 75 after a minor heart attack, took up poker and started roasting people 50 years younger than him. At 86, still plays and still kicks ass.

The man is a legend and I'm glad to have such an amazing figure still in my life. Same goes for my grandmother.

Post: #9

My maternal grandfather gave me my first job as soon as I could legally work. I put on nearly every hat at his business. I ran cash registers in the gift shop. I guided tours. I cleaned toilets even. When I got my learner's permit, I drove him to work everyday that I also worked, which was about a 30 minute drive.

But the most important thing was I got to see him run his business. He commanded strong loyalty from all his long-time employees. He knew when to actively manage and when to sit back and rely on the expertise of others. He showed me what was important to worry about and what to not lose my cool over.

I wish I had been paying attention when he was flirting with younger women he had business meetings with who would giggle at him for being a cad when he grabbed their asses as he held the door open for them. Considering he was a short, bald, and overweight with many stereotypical Jewish features, he must have had some solid game that I should have learned from.

The only game advice I remember from my dad that I know to be true was, "Beauty may only be skin deep but ugly goes straight to the bone."

Post: #10

Thanks, guys. As I suspected, Grandfathers are something of the unsung heroes in a tribe.

Post: #11

Ehh. One of mine died before I was born, the other (who I'm named after) when I was two. They were wife beating drunks.

Post: #12

My grandfather married at 20, built the house they still live in and worked 35 years as a pipe fitter building submarines. He's a master gardener and in his mid eighties still grows the best tomatoes in town. That type of man is a dying breed.

Post: #13

I wish I had gotten to know my grandparents. My dad's dad died in 69 which was almost 20 years before I was born. His mom passed shortly after. As for my mom's side, I knew them only a little before before they both died in the 90's.

I never thought I was anything like anyone in my family until I started asking questions about my Grandfathers. It seems i inherited more of their personality traits than my parents (who are INSANELY blue pill).

I envy those who are my age and still have grandparents. Oh the things I would ask them about...

Post: #14

Sadly, I never really got to know my paternal grandfather due to living overseas, until he was beset with dementia and had on and off days. My maternal grandfather died when my mother was young, so I never even knew him.

The little time I got to spend with my grandfather was precious, and learning about his life and the man he was is part of why I'm on the path I am today.

What little I learned was that he was outstanding physically, and had he not gone off to war, he may have been a football star. Instead he served with Darby's 5th Rangers and was the on the first wave during D-Day. He got shot in 9 different places in WW2 (MG42 burst), was hit in his head and his leg. He would have died, but he was the son of the Provost Marshall in Ft. Belvoir and got to know many Generals as a young boy. One such general recognized him in Waltereed U.S. Army hospital and arranged for him to have the best medical care possible. He was considered somewhat of a hero and even made it into the newspapers, as Hero of the Month for disabled vets. Mentally, he recovered fully, but his injury in his leg rendered him unable to go back to sports. Still he married, got into real estate, and had two kids. His wife at some people, even was won some award as "prettiest wife of a disabled vet". He even outlived all 4 doctors who said he'd die, and had he not been too injured, I'm sure would have danced upon all their graves.

Knowing parts of his life are helpful, as they help me know who I am and where I come from. I think I'm made from tough stuff, even if I didn't know it for a long time.

I only wish I could have gotten to know him more when I was a child, when he was still lucid most days.

Found a picture of the newspaper clipping:



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Post: #15

Grandfathers are underrated and their voices are excluded from today's society with everything being online. Imagine what facebook and instagram would be like if your grandfather was on there? They'd be banned in two days telling people to shut up, stop whining or commenting "nice tits" on sluts photos when betas are just liking them.

My grandfathers have both passed away but were both excellent sources of advice, example and wisdom. Grandfathers are to a family what elders are to a church. Don't ever trust a church that does not have old people in respected positions.

Post: #16

One of my grandfathers died, from my mothers side.

He was a very respected individual, a boxer and owned a bakery.

I never got to know him much but from the stories I have heard he was an outstanding man.

My other grandfather is still alive, 89 years old and I am his protege, as per Greek tradition we have the same name, I am the 'junior'.

My cousins and I all have blonde girlfriends and doesn't give a fuck, he loves blondes. He is touchy-feely and does shit old men do to get away with it. He's grabbed arse and laughed about it.

He left Greece when he was very young and came to South Africa where he built one of the largest companies in the roofing industry. He lived in a mansion and was politically connected. He borrowed money from other Greeks and while he was still poor, he had multiple women.

He asked me to write his memoir and the stories were worthy of being put in a book.

My grandmother's mother said 'are you really going to marry this man, I have seen him with 8 different women over the past few months alone'.

My grandmother was a waitress and he seduced her way back when and gave her an amazing life, travelling the world.

They have been married for 63 years now and they are happy.

Funny pointers:

- On my 18th birthday he gave me a copy of 'Think and Grow Rich' by Napoleon Hill and said 'I backed the right horse (you)'

- He taught me how to change oil, how to fix things in the house and he generally bosses me around to do maintenance when I go over. I enjoy it as I learn stuff, my grandmother told him to relax and he casually looks at her and says 'I will hit you if you say that again' and she is all 'sorry sorry'

- He pulled a gun on a guy cheating during a poker game he hosted

- He loves guns, cards, cigars, whisky, women and money

- I went to a shop to buy some stuff for my apartment and took him with me. I left for 2 minutes and I came back and he was chatting up a milf, sitting on a bed (think bed, bath, beyond). He usually makes them lean in and then grabs their arms and makes them sit next to him

- All the female cashiers in his neighbourhood know him

- He gives sweets to beggars, not money as he says 'it gives out the right message'

- I skyped him last night before I fly back home and he told me, infront of my grandmother, 'bring me a nice young Chinese girl'

- He told my cousins girlfriend that she needed to lose weight, it is 'unbecoming'

- He loves going to the church and he says religion is what got him through the tough times. My great-grand father built one of the first churches in his village and cites it as inspiration for him getting in to construction

- He has had a moustache his whole life and says 'it's what makes me a man'

- He doesn't understand gays and laments them. He has his prejudices against blacks due to the crime he has suffered, as recently as last year

- He has a massive stamp and gold coin collection and states, a man requires a hobby to relax, every now and then. He wants me to continue the tradition.


I mean, he is super old-school, definition of a patriarchal man.

Funny thing is, women gravitate to him like bees to honey, even at 89.

He checks every single woman out and generally doesn't give a fuck about anything.

I learned more from my grandfather, than anyone else due to his no-bullshit approach to life and I enjoy visiting to drink whisky, play backgammon and gin rummy.

Post: #17

^ Sounds like a good dude, minus the prejudices against blacks. Still a very captivating read.

Post: #18

(08-08-2016 10:32 PM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ Sounds like a good dude, minus the prejudices against blacks. Still a very captivating read.

Indeed, he grew up in South Africa during apartheid and that definitely shaped him.

The crime has been rampant over the past 5 years and they broke in and stole $12k worth of jewellery back in December so he ended up blaming the color instead of socio-economic reasons.

Funny thing about that morning was I was having a cigarette and I got a bad feeling. It's happened before and I was right. I turned to my girlfriend and said 'something bad is about to happen'.

5 minutes later, my aunt called me to inform me of what happened.

Post: #19

Imagine today's pussified leftist men as grandfathers (the ones who don't end up cucked to death or addicted to VR porn at least) and you'll come to the conclusion that only a man's character matters, not his age.

In other words, age brings wisdom only if you possess the capacity to learn in the first place.

Post: #20

I wouldn't be the person I am today. My grandfathers are largely more responsible than my own parents for the kind of person I am today. If neither were around, I would have had no pragmatic examples of male role models in my life.

It wasn't until I gained a passion for history that I started to find other tangible examples of what a masculine man should be. Personally I feel I would be just another loser if it weren't for them.

I'd probably be just another spineless academic results oriented bureaucrat.


It goes to show as my grandfather on my father's side would have never let me end up like that. Before he died at a wedding we were at, he came in as a guest of honor and the entire room went silent as he went to take his seat. The man just commanded respect when he entered the room. It was also funny to see the other old men carefully trying to watch their words when they spoke to him.

I've never seen anyone like him since. Especially the kind of energy he walked around with. He use to run 5 miles every day even as he was dying of stomach cancer(until he was unable to get out of his bed). He also smoked my first cigar with me on his deathbed.

Post: #21

I´ve grown up without without father, so only person in my family who could direct me right way and who achieved something is my grandfather.
He doesn´t have son, so he gave me a lot of attention. When I think about it, the most of the things I do or like in my life were brang to my life by him. I am very thankful to him that he took me to do sports, nobody in my family instead of him have never ever did any sport. And everytime I had match or competition, he drove me there and was there to support me.
At this moment he is seriously ill with lungs, but you can see how proud he is and doesn´t show up physical weakness.

He was the only person in my family who had some determination, worked hard for it and made it far. The others just flow through life. And I try to be as him, not the others.

Post: #22

(08-08-2016 10:52 PM)Noir Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 10:32 PM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ Sounds like a good dude, minus the prejudices against blacks. Still a very captivating read.

Indeed, he grew up in South Africa during apartheid and that definitely shaped him.

The crime has been rampant over the past 5 years and they broke in and stole $12k worth of jewellery back in December so he ended up blaming the color instead of socio-economic reasons.

Funny thing about that morning was I was having a cigarette and I got a bad feeling. It's happened before and I was right. I turned to my girlfriend and said 'something bad is about to happen'.

5 minutes later, my aunt called me to inform me of what happened.

There's a good rule of thumb. If someone you thoroughly respect with decades of hard won wisdom suddenly appears to be (shall we say) "backwardly un-progressive" on a certain issue then you need to check your own indoctrination, not their prejudice.

Post: #23

I wish I could add lots of positive stuff to this thread.

My paternal grandfather was Russian, and died many years ago. So I learnt nothing from him. But I kind of feel like a kindred spirit of his. He was successful in business because he was a risk taker and had a passion for skills. And took the difficult step of leaving his home for the West. His son, ie my father is not the same type. So I feel a sort of "genetics missing a generation" type thing. He also married women over 30 years younger than him! Re-spect!

My maternal grandfather was a very simple man. I don't mean that unpleasantly but he was a man of his era. For a while he was also extremely well connected (mainly due to my grandmother's dilligence). And for a short time he also lived a high profile lifestyle alongside the influential and all the material trappings that entailed. He made me sad tho because he could have been so instrumental in helping me get ahead or atleast to where I should be in the class dis-structured country that is Britain. In his latter years he made bizarre comments/advice that would have sent weaker people into a depression or worse. It disappointed me greatly, even tho I took no notice.
Attempting to lower my expectations to a level I'd literally rather be dead than alive in.

I remember one thing my grandfather said. It was a reply to my young brother's question. He said "things get better all the time, its called progress. Not in everything, but thats the general idea".

Ofcourse he was always interesting to talk to and he was a genuine man. But I think he answered it himself. He was a man of his era, for what made him feel alive. But me asking him advice was like a bird asking a cow how to fly.

Now my focus is the East, and business and when I'm an old man, I still plan on being with a much younger woman! Just like my paternal grandfather! Haha. So it wasn't the words of a grandfather that were my resource.
It was genetics, the feeling in my bones and soul. Some here would understand this word - душа ie "dushá".

Post: #24

(08-08-2016 10:52 PM)Noir Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 10:32 PM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ Sounds like a good dude, minus the prejudices against blacks. Still a very captivating read.

...
so he ended up blaming the color instead of socio-economic reasons.
.....

I feel like being on leftist feminist forum... "socio-economic reason"... I bet your granpa knows what he says and why he says it.

Post: #25

(08-09-2016 05:11 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 10:52 PM)Noir Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 10:32 PM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ Sounds like a good dude, minus the prejudices against blacks. Still a very captivating read.

...
so he ended up blaming the color instead of socio-economic reasons.
.....

I feel like being on leftist feminist forum... "socio-economic reason"... I bet your granpa knows what he says and why he says it.

Honestly don't get what was wrong with what he said. It's not rich blacks or middle class blacks robbing people. It's poor blacks.