Post: #1

While we often address the issue of left/right wing politics, culture war, this will not be the prevailing "war" or cause of major life changes in history, perhaps even in our generation.

The battle between left and right will be for some time, if not permanently interrupted by the rise of Islam. Muslims are rapidly moving into the "western" world (if you can even call it that anymore), and they have a general tendency to have lots of children, with the goal of spreading out and forming a majority. This will undoubtedly be met with resistance, but there is no guarantee that resistance will necessarily have any halting effect on the process.

There are aspects of the Islamic culture that are strongly confronting and contrasting from the peaceful traditional western way of life. This is no longer a question of Islamophobia, whether you're a supporter of Islam or not (this doesn't apply to leftists), any decent person accepts that it doesn't belong in western societies.

The fact of the matter is that the takeover is happening, and the crucial question here is how will we, as Westerners, respond to the major world changes? The prospect of a permanent loss or replacement of one's history, way of life, the way of life of his family/ancestors, which may never return, is troubling to absolutely everyone (not including leftists, of course). This possibility is growing closer and closer with the many world changes that we are seeing in this generation. I, along with others with similar world views will be able to uphold the values of my parents and ancestors, in our own families, but here many of us have in mind the future of society as a whole and the resilience of our fellow men and women.

One country that is doing a respectable and commendable job in upholding their traditional way of life is Russia. Muslims live in the country, but there are absolutely no exceptions made for them under any circumstances. Furthermore, they don't give stupid (massive) amounts of money to unemployed people, and if innocent people are getting killed in Syria, they send in their troops to fight the terrorists and end the war, and don't simply say "hey, why don't you all come into our country!" The also don't offer to shower you with free welfare and a high standard of living for simply walking in, these priviliges must be earned by hard work. They only downside is that feminism is creeping into some aspects of life (a tendency of women to study and work), but it's nothing serious in comparison to what's happening in the west.

The Islamic "takeover" of Europe is really only in the early stages. Although not that many people are not aware of it, the Muslims have already taken over part of the world, completely seperate from Europe. Of course, I have in mind India. For those who weren't aware, Pakistan used to be part of India, before the Muslims essentially stole it. They invaded India, coming in from the Middle East, and then insisted on taking part of it for themselves. As a matter of fact, I have been to India, and I can tell you at least what I experienced as a result of the Islamic takeover. Every morning I was woken by the booming chanting of the Muslims from some nearby Mosque. There have been several terror attacks by Muslims in India, and this has led to shopping malls using electric scanners (like the ones in airports) at all entry points, as well as guards who check that you don't have any weapons/explosives on you. The Indian traffic system is a little different and use of car horns is a fundamental and essential (for safety) part of the system. Outside the Mosques, there are signs demanding that you are quiet when in the vicinity of the Mosque. The failure to use your horn in India in certain situations would put you and other drivers' lives in danger, for the sake of respecting those who took over your country. Also, on some temples, there are signs stating that "Islam is the only way to heaven" in a country where Muslims are a minority. There were regions where all of the signs were written in Urdu (it uses an Arabic script), and the local population have to tolerate this. Given, I was in a more Islamic part of the country, all the same, what if one day people had to say "I was in a more Islamic part of Germany, England, America". Not a very nice thought if that Islamic part used to be a beautiful traditional western town, which you once loved and grew up in.

The fundamental question here is what do we do, as Westerners, to uphold our way of life (that is Christianity, hard work and dedication, respect and love for your people and country and all that you have achieved) on which our societies have been built, and operated for many, many centuries.

There are several answers to this question, the most obvious, perhaps, being not to let Muslims into our countries, or at least not making exceptions for the practicing of Islam in such countries, but unfortunately, the leftists have crossed that one off the list.

Post: #2

Vote for Trump and you don't have to worry about this.

Post: #3

I would, except I don't live in America. We need a Trump in Europe

Post: #4

Pay the Jizya.

Post: #5

You can't, if Muslims form a Majority you then live in a majority Muslim country by Muslim rule. You will be second class citizens and your future as well as your children's future is fucked.

Post: #6

On the flip side, at least a Muslim majority wouldn't tolerate "SJW nonsense" such as 'transgender rights', '3rd wave feminism', and same sex marriage being declared a Constitutional right.

If the West does ever become a Muslim majority then unfortunately it will probably be the karma that the West was due to selling itself out in favor of radical progressive "values", but I have a feeling the SJWs will be the first to go when Muslims are in charge; historically Muslims tolerated the co-existence of Jews, Christians and other hard working people of the Abrahamic faith, but I've yet to see a Muslim nation tolerating trangender "rights" and adulterous women.

Much as Lenin said capitalists would sell him the rope which he would hang them with, SJWs are simply handing Muslims the rocks they will use to stone them with.

Perhaps instead of being at odds with Muslims, the right-wing should start reaching out to the moderate Muslims based on their shared conservative cultural values and teaming up against the SJWs.

Post: #7

Don't talk like this is an eventuality. Instead, find the best woman you can, wife her up and make her into a baby-making machine. This is a battle of the womb as much as it is bullets. Ultimately, I think there will need to be a revival of a more masculine Catholic/Orthodox church that stands against Islam. Men need faith, and a code of conduct to fight and believe in. Post-Christian secularism ends in nihilism.

Post: #8

(06-06-2016 06:04 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Don't talk like this is an eventuality. Instead, find the best woman you can, wife her up and make her into a baby-making machine. This is a battle of the womb as much as it is bullets. Ultimately, I think there will need to be a revival of a more masculine Catholic/Orthodox church that stands against Islam. Men need faith, and a code of conduct to fight and believe in. Post-Christian secularism ends in nihilism.

I think we're seeing the peak for nihilism today, the consumer economy seems to be playing a part as well. I may take the Julius Evola route and just "ride the tiger".

Nihilism is what the entire SJW movement really is anyway; simply destroying the status quo and traditional values for it's own sake.

Post: #9

You can't, you don't, you move.

Post: #10

In all honesty I'm more sympathetic to Muslims than I am to left-wing SJWs.

Seems a lot of what they hate about the West boils down to left-wing counter-culture anyway.

If we could just get Muslims to move into liberal suburban neighborhoods it might be a good thing in the long run.

Post: #11

(06-06-2016 06:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  You can't, you don't, you move.

Moving won't count if you bring a hedonist perspective to your new land. A true stand requires men making a healthy patriarchy a reality. That only happens if a man has faith, friends and family. The three F's are what made Western Civilization.

Post: #12

(06-06-2016 06:18 PM)EDantes Wrote:  In all honesty I'm more sympathetic to Muslims than I am to left-wing SJWs.

Seems a lot of what they hate about the West boils down to left-wing counter-culture anyway.

If we could just get Muslims to move into liberal suburban neighborhoods it might be a good thing in the long run.

Not really. What they hate about the west is that we are not muslim.

Post: #13

(06-06-2016 06:37 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:18 PM)EDantes Wrote:  In all honesty I'm more sympathetic to Muslims than I am to left-wing SJWs.

Seems a lot of what they hate about the West boils down to left-wing counter-culture anyway.

If we could just get Muslims to move into liberal suburban neighborhoods it might be a good thing in the long run.

Not really. What they hate about the west is that we are not muslim.

The Islamic extremists probably won't accept anyone who isn't of their faith.

Some of the more moderate Muslims however likely object to how far-left ideas such as transgender rights and distortion of male/female relationships have taken over the West; since they share similar Abrahamic values. I'm not an expert on Turkey for example, but I believe they're an example of a moderate Muslim nation.

On the whole I feel that far-left progressivism is a bigger threat to the west than Islamism is, but that's just me.

Post: #14

Yes, I believe progressivism is a much bigger problem than islam for the west. But that doesn't mean islam is compatible, at all, with the west. The west has been attacked purely for being "other than muslim" pretty much since the inception of islam.

This is getting off track but if the West was a body, progressivism is like late stage metastasized cancer while islam is a gangrenous foot. Yeah, it will suck and hurt a lot to lop off a foot, but all it takes to fix the problem is decisive, forceful action and care in the future. The cancer, though, is spread throughout the body; there's no easy way to cure it, and it's unknown if it even can be cured.

Cultures always fundamentally fail from within. An outside invader will never be as dangerous to a nation or a culture as internal rot. But I'm still not inviting the invaders in for tea and letting them get comfortable.

Post: #15

Spent a few months in Morocco some time ago. Islam is messed up, but it's at least patriarchal and cohesive.

I don't want sharia anywhere near this country, but I've always viewed far-left politics (trannies, homosexuals, attacks on the nuclear family) as a far more imminent threat to the West.

Post: #16

With one of these:

Post: #17

I really don't think Islam will take over the "West". I think at some point the welfare systems will collapse first and when the economies start to fail, people will blame all the immigrants (as they are doing now, but in a waay more agressive way). Eastern Europe, Must of the Americas are still quite traditional societies and many catholic or orthodox which eventually if the muslims get in the clashes will be quite different as in those protestan countries in Europe. People now are going for the extreme right-wing because of the stupid decisions the left is taking right now, eventually the balots will speak by themselves and the left will have to change their plan.

Why I predict right now is Europe and the US start fixing the shit in Libia so the government can start a better crackdown of the migrants in that area of the mediterranean and maybe modify the deals with Turkey. Anyway, we will see it as time goes by.

Post: #18

There won't be a Muslim majority, and if you think the globalist elites are so enamoured of Islam that they'll let Muslims be the majority, you've got a big fucking surprise coming your way.

They're pushing this shit, so the pushback will be harder and harder against them until even the worst pro open border idiots have no choice since their cushy way of life is threatened. Ultimately, good little docile muslim drones. Their endgame is to wipe out Islam, which might not be so bad but then you realize y'auld yarmulke boy was engineering all this you and you fight shit.

A bunch of hedonists won't let a religion where everything is curtailed to take over the west.

So no, you won't have to worry about Sharia law or none of it. However, if the threat is imminent, I suggest moving. If you're not in a position to move, then maximize your options of doing so in the near future. What you're getting is Arabs and Somalis who've been indoctrinated with Western Hatred their whole life.

Post: #19

Here's the problem:

The left wants to allow mass amounts of illegal immigrants from Mexico and "refugees" from the Middle-East into the United States. Both groups are known for breeding like rabbits and will no doubt be granted amnesty after their arrival. The net result will be a complete change in our nation's demographics and it will be hard, if not altogether impossible, for conservatives to ever win another election if that happens.

Former illegal immigrants will no doubt be given special privileges by the left, and will want to keep Democrats in positions of power to keep receiving their "freebies" while Muslims will want to enact Sharia Law.

This is EXACTLY why this election is SO important. Its outcome will determine whether we're fucked or if we still have a chance to turn this ship around and make America great again.

Post: #20

I can see why the bloody lefts did this. Each person they let in will naturally be inclined to vote for them. It's geopolitics. As somebody mentioned here, they will stop letting it in once it starts to interfere with their cushy way of life, but by then it could well be too late. A few people said that the left is more of a threat than the Muslim immigrants. The lefts bloody well invited them all in. If we had nipped the leftists in the bud, these newly arisen problems would never have arisen.

Post: #21

You don't let them become the majority. You tighten up immigration and screen them hard.

I'd really like to see these guys try and become the majority in a city that is already full of blacks or other tough minority groups. They'd get blown out (literally).

Post: #22

In response to the OP - Muslim birthrates decline when you educate the women and when Muslim families become wealthier. I think if welfare is taken away they will stop emigrating to the west.

I think there will be area of major European cities which will eventually become majority Muslim, but I can't see a whole European country becoming majority Muslim.

(06-07-2016 04:31 AM)Fortis Wrote:  You don't let them become the majority. You tighten up immigration and screen them hard.

I'd really like to see these guys try and become the majority in a city that is already full of blacks or other tough minority groups. They'd get blown out (literally).

It's already happened in UK before - the blacks got their arses kicked:

2005 Birmingham riots

Quote:The Birmingham riots of 2005 occurred on two consecutive nights on Saturday 22 October and Sunday 23 October 2005 in the Lozells and Handsworth area of Birmingham, England. The riots were derived from ethnic tensions between the Caribbean and British Asian communities, with the spark for the riot being an alleged gang rape of a teenage black girl by a group of South Asian men. The rape allegation has never been substantiated. No evidence has been found to support the rumour nor has any victim come forward (further rumours asserted that this was because the victim was present in Britain unlawfully and feared deportation). The clashes involved groups of Caribbean and South Asian men committing serious acts of violence against various targets from both communities. The riots were connected to the deaths of two men, 23-year-old Isaiah Young-Sam and 18-year-old Aaron James.

Quote:The majority of the Asian population in the Lozells area are of Pakistani origin. The black population is predominantly of Caribbean origin. The animosity that preceded the rioting appears to have been largely based on local economic rivalry combined with possible agitation from opposing criminal gangs.

In many towns in the UK it's just not worth fucking with Pakistanis unless you have a big crew with you, it would be like trying to fuck with a Mexicans in Los Angeles. Some Mexican gangs have driven blacks out of part of LA (article from 2013).

Quote:Compton, with a population of about 97,000, was predominantly black for many years. It is now 65% Latino and 33% black, according to the 2010 U.S. census. But it's not only historically black areas that have been targeted.

Federal authorities have alleged in several indictments in the last decade that the Mexican Mafia prison gang has ordered street gangs under its control to attack African Americans. Leaders of the Azusa 13 gang were sentenced to lengthy prison terms earlier this month for leading a policy of attacking African American residents and expelling them from the town.

Similar attacks have taken place in Harbor Gateway, Highland Park, Pacoima, San Bernardino, Canoga Park and Wilmington, among other places. In the Compton case, sheriff's officials say the gang appears to have been acting on its own initiative.

Sheriff's detectives said Friday they had arrested Jeffrey Aguilar, 19, of Gardena and Efren Marquez, 21, of Rialto, both alleged members of the Compton Varrio 155 gang, and are continuing to look for more assailants.

Post: #23

Damn, well I maintain that UK blacks are USA blacks are different in that regard. Especially since Urban blacks would be rolling with guns in usa. But that's just my pride talking.

Not surprised about mexicans in California, but California is one hop away from Mexico.

Post: #24

I'm not a Muslim, nor do I take any especial interest in this religion, but I find it hard to sympathize with a culture, i.e. "the West", which has collectively failed the biggest shit test of all time, namely, feminism. Why should we even wish to see Islam extinguished in the West, given that it has proven itself - considered as a cultural glue - far more cohesive and more in keeping with conservative values than the West has over the last half century? Shouldn't we rather do everything in our power to encourage the triumph of Islam in Europe and North America?

Post: #25

(06-07-2016 06:32 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  Shouldn't we rather do everything in our power to encourage the triumph of Islam in Europe and North America?

Do you want a never ending dark age? I rather not.