Post: #101

(05-31-2016 10:05 PM)Sherman Wrote:  I don't think they should have killed the Gorilla.

Think about it. An invader suddenly enters Harambe's territory accompanied by hysterical screams from the crowd above further confusing him. He is responsible for protecting the tribe. He could have easily killed the kid in two seconds and eliminated the threat. Instead, he shows real restraint and at times even appears to be protective of the stranger. This shows that unlike humans, a wild gorilla is slow to kill without cause. In fact, he showed no aggression towards the child, but the humans killed him for what he "might" do, not what he actually did. The human, employed by a bureaucracy and enslaved by its mindset, responded with rules and procedures, whereas the animal was being led by his intuition.

Maybe this is why humans are quicker to kill than animals.

Ah yes- the fumbling, confused and inept human, weighed down with his lower intellect and poor self awareness, rash decision making and cloudy consciousness. It's surprising the human can even wipe himself, isn't it?

The human is once again shown to be foolish and naive compared to the wise, astute, and uncorrupted gorilla, which does not act rashly but contemplates all outcomes and uses his power only with great restraint and with a deep moral conviction. If you look closely you can see, if only for a moment, the gorilla give a knowing nod to the mother that he had the measure of the situation and would follow the proper, nay, instinctual procedure for returning human children without harm. If only we would have given the gorilla more time to get his bearings he would have had the child back to safety. It was a certainty really, and well worth the obviously miniscule risk that a human child might die.

This was going to happen right after dragging the child by the leg 100 feet through a rocky waterway, at speed, a few more times. It was all part of the natural gorilla human rescue procedure. See, a gorilla doesn't have that damned bureaucracy that so clouds the judgement of when to save babies- the majestic and pure animal can just do the right thing, the best thing for humans, and always does so.

Tragically, we just didn't let the animal fully complete the rag doll dragging ritual which of course immediately precedes the saving part, as you well know.

Post: #102

(05-31-2016 11:47 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  Ah yes- the fumbling, confused and inept human, weighed down with his lower intellect and poor self awareness, rash decision making and cloudy consciousness. It's surprising the human can even wipe himself, isn't it?

The human is once again shown to be foolish and naive compared to the wise, astute, and uncorrupted gorilla, which does not act rashly but contemplates all outcomes and uses his power only with great restraint and with a deep moral conviction. If you look closely you can see, if only for a moment, the gorilla give a knowing nod to the mother that he had the measure of the situation and would follow the proper, almost natural procedure for returning human children without harm. If only we would have given him more time to get his bearings he would have had the child back to safety. It was a certainty really, and well worth the obviously miniscule risk that a human child might die.

This was going to happen right after dragging the child by the leg 100 feet through a rocky waterway, at speed, a few more times. It was all part of the natural gorilla human rescue procedure. See, a gorilla doesn't have that damned bureaucracy that so clouds the judgement of when to save babies- he can just do the right thing.

Tragically, we just didn't let the animal fully complete the rag doll dragging ritual which of course immediately precedes the saving part, as you well know.

This unfolded unfront of my very eyes this weekend, as I saw the clips cut short of the animal dragging the child through the water.

I thought - Are you kidding me?

Ever been picked up and lifted off the ground by an animal, maybe even a "domesticated" one like a cow, bull, or steer? They don't give a fuck, don't plan ahead, and will stick a horn in you and lift you off the ground until you hit strike them back with surprise violence.

That's what they understand. A swift punch in the face, especially something sensitive like the nose or near the eye and they give up the fight impulse in most cases.

Who knows what that thing would've done. He may have thought it would've been funny to rip the kids arms off and beat them like drums on the water, parents, and bystanders watching, if they hadn't done something swift and violent like they did.

Disney makes everyone, especially dumb women, think that all animals are cute fuzzy almost babies with butterflies coming out of their butts.



That ain't reality, folks.

Dumb people project human traits on these things, with their full complexity, like GlobalMan masterfully demonstrated, and panic when shit gets sideways and their projection causes either cognitive dissonance or a realization that they are wrong.

And, the more schooling they've had, the more brainwashing, and the longer they can maintain that cognitive dissonance and explain away a non-human's behavior in any rationalizing manner they can dream up.

These creatures don't owe you shit. Decency ain't a thing to them. Sometimes they play nice. Then, sometimes they snap.

Just ask these guys how that works out in the long run:

Post: #103

I think it would be pretty much solved if the unrealistic PETA and SJW idiots cut out the rhetoric about animal behavior, and the realists cut out the snark.

Yes, the right decision was taken. No need to harp on about it. I wouldn't wish this kind of experience on any endangered animal or any human.

Post: #104

Would you say the same thing if it was your son (or nephew)?

(05-29-2016 04:00 PM)Mike5055 Wrote:  Should have shot the kid... or the mom for being a bad mother.

Post: #105

Killing the gorilla was sadly the only acceptable solution to save the kid, but the mother should compensate the ZOO for the damage she caused by her negligence. A few decades' worth of Netflix subscription, cocktails and brunches should do it.

Post: #106

Gorillas are totally reasonable.

Post: #107

(06-01-2016 04:40 AM)Fortis Wrote:  



Gorillas are totally reasonable.

Imagine if the zoo did not use strong enough reinforced glass or if a section was loose or something.

King Kong would have barrelled right through and smushed everyone into meat paste.

Quote:GUINESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORD'S 1985 edition estimates that a STRONG and healthy AVERAGE silverback gorilla could probably deadlift about 2 times that of the world's strongest man (if it were trained). The scientists used actual performance of chimpanzees in specific movements to estimate that an average highly trained (500 lb.) silverback gorilla might deadlift 1,800 lbs whereas the world's strongest men might deadlift 900 lbs. An average man might deadlift 200 lbs.

Post: #108

(06-01-2016 02:42 AM)Tayo Wrote:  Would you say the same thing if it was your son (or nephew)?

(05-29-2016 04:00 PM)Mike5055 Wrote:  Should have shot the kid... or the mom for being a bad mother.

Maybe, if they are carrying the dipshit gene.

Post: #109

@Fortis, to be clear, that gorilla wasn't responding to ole little girl's antics, it was asserting it's dominance over the others by smashing the glass. I've seen that explained on tv before, on "You have been Warned".

Still don't mean you should go chucking your kids into gorilla cages and shit. You should have a healthy respect and fear of huge animals.

Post: #110

^ What if the glass aren't there? You're saying that gorilla wouldn't have mauled that kid? I find that hard to believe.

Would not taunt a gorilla and expect to get away.

Post: #111

Chest-beating is a threat gesture to gorillas. It's like saying, "Come get it, I'll fuck you all up."

Basically the Little Dark of the gorilla world.

Post: #112

^ Yeah that's all fine and well, but he straight up flew through the air and did a body slam on the glass. I'm pretty sure he would have jumped on the girl and pulverised her if the glass hadn't been there.

Post: #113

(06-01-2016 10:23 AM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ Yeah that's all fine and well, but he straight up flew through the air and did a body slam on the glass. I'm pretty sure he would have jumped on the girl and pulverised her if the glass hadn't been there.

Oh yeah, I wasn't arguing. I fully expect the gorilla's intention was to smash her.

With wild animals, you only get one of two reactions from a threat: Submission or Violence.

Post: #114

It's kind of ridiculous how many people in this country have placed animals above humans, it's almost like they are the new minorities for people like PETA to virtue signal over protecting.

It reminds me of this annual charity fundraiser they have here, where every year they do a big telethon and online fundraiser for local non-profits and charities and such. There all sorts of wonderful local organizations that help homeless people with food & clothes, provide jobs, provide shelter, help veterans, places that help people with disabilities, places like Salvation Army, Red Cross, the Boy Scouts, and many other religious non-profits...you name it. It's sort of a competition as people donate to their charity of choice, the non-profits that make the most money get bonuses, and of course you hope the place you support makes the most money. Most places make a few thousand dollars, wonderful non-profits that help thousands of people a year might make a few thousand dollars if they are lucky.

DO you know who the biggest winner is every year? An animal sanctuary for abused cats (lions, tigers, etc). I kid you not. They routinely bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars every year, just through this fundraiser! In last year's telethon alone, local residents donated almost $300,000 to them! (and it was a "bad" year) They had over 400 individual donations, where the average is well under 50 donations per organization. The Salvation Army can't even get a couple thousand donated to them, and people are starving to death in the streets and sleeping under bridges....and people happily give hundreds of thousands of dollars so some old crone can have her own personal cat petting zoo.

#3 on the sheer number of donations is the Humane Society, #4 is an Ape Sanctuary, #5 is a Dog Rescue sanctuary, #6 is the Animal League. (#2 is a non-profit for women with high-risk pregnancies, seeing a pattern here). They don't all make hundreds of thousands, but on sheer number of donations alone animal charities beat almost every other charity combined. Most non-profits for people (y'know, humans) are lucky to make over $10,000.

People (liberal progressives mostly) have lost their fucking minds, and want animals to be people with more vigor than they have for the barely breathing people laying on the street. They will happily step over a homeless person on the ground while donating money on their smartphones to a gorilla zoo.

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Post: #116

(06-01-2016 12:22 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  Ever been picked up and lifted off the ground by an animal, maybe even a "domesticated" one like a cow, bull, or steer? They don't give a fuck, don't plan ahead, and will stick a horn in you and lift you off the ground until you hit strike them back with surprise violence.

Primates are more intelligent than lower level animals. The fact is that Harambe didn't immediately kill the threat which would have been simple, but was checking out the situation and acting carefully. He wasn't acting randomly. His behavior was intelligent. The kid wasn't hurt. I think that if apes started posting on Internet forums they would lose their natural intuition and become much more careless.

   

Post: #117

(06-01-2016 01:07 PM)Sherman Wrote:  Primates are more intelligent than lower level animals. The fact is that Harambe didn't immediately kill the threat which would have been simple, but was checking out the situation and acting carefully. He wasn't acting randomly. His behavior was intelligent. The kid wasn't hurt. I think that if apes started posting on Internet forums they would lose their natural intuition and become much more careless.

Why do you keep saying this?

Are you suggesting that humans have less "natural intuition"?

Are you suggesting humans have a lesser intelligence because we can mess around on the internet?

You say the gorillas behavior was "intelligent", and acting "carefully" (I guess the dragging by the leg part? Or maybe it was the banging the child against a wall ?) while implying the humans were reckless, void of careful thought. What is this based on? I'm quite sure the choice to shoot the wild animal to save a child from danger involved careful thought and intelligence.

It seems that, like many, you are suggesting that animals have an innocence, a purity, and a clearer intuition or even a higher intelligence than the dumb, reckless human.

This is a perfect example of the nihilism that Lizard so eloquently talks about.

Lady who recorded the video Wrote:He was pulling that boy under water by his ankle for a long period of time. A 4-year-old and when he scaled him up his head's banging against the wall as he's climbing up ... So that's the part people didn't see. They didn't need to see that," O'Connor said.

Zoo Director Wrote:"This child was being dragged around," Maynard said. "His head was banging on concrete."

"We did not take the shooting of Harambe lightly. But that child's life was in danger and people who question that who are Monday morning quarterbacks or second guessers do not understand you cannot take a risk with a silverback," said Maynard.

Jack Hanna





Let this "sweet, protective, careful, thoughtful gorilla" narrative die

Post: #118

(06-01-2016 12:28 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  They will happily step over a homeless person on the ground while donating money on their smartphones to a gorilla zoo.

"Get it together, grouch... get a job, grouch!"

Post: #119

(06-01-2016 01:07 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:22 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  Ever been picked up and lifted off the ground by an animal, maybe even a "domesticated" one like a cow, bull, or steer? They don't give a fuck, don't plan ahead, and will stick a horn in you and lift you off the ground until you hit strike them back with surprise violence.

Primates are more intelligent than lower level animals. The fact is that Harambe didn't immediately kill the threat which would have been simple, but was checking out the situation and acting carefully. He wasn't acting randomly. His behavior was intelligent. The kid wasn't hurt. I think that if apes started posting on Internet forums they would lose their natural intuition and become much more careless.

I suggest you go look up "chimp attack" on the internet. Get a barf bag ready. They are not really as predictable as we think. All primates are still prone to savage animal instincts. Some are naturally more violent than others but these are animals that practice cannibalism from time to time too.

Post: #120

Humans have themselves become so domesticated they have lost touch with nature. Without technology we're not as high up on the food chain as most feel comfortable thinking.

Post: #121

(05-31-2016 10:19 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  I give a shit about the kid - he is fucked. A moron of a parent does not become Mrs. Cleaver with with this intense moment.

"Dad" has like 19 felonies over a 10-year period...including kidnapping and drug trafficking.

Ward Cleaver? - NOT.

Post: #122

(06-01-2016 05:22 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:07 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:22 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  Ever been picked up and lifted off the ground by an animal, maybe even a "domesticated" one like a cow, bull, or steer? They don't give a fuck, don't plan ahead, and will stick a horn in you and lift you off the ground until you hit strike them back with surprise violence.

Primates are more intelligent than lower level animals. The fact is that Harambe didn't immediately kill the threat which would have been simple, but was checking out the situation and acting carefully. He wasn't acting randomly. His behavior was intelligent. The kid wasn't hurt. I think that if apes started posting on Internet forums they would lose their natural intuition and become much more careless.

I suggest you go look up "chimp attack" on the internet. Get a barf bag ready. They are not really as predictable as we think. All primates are still prone to savage animal instincts. Some are naturally more violent than others but these are animals that practice cannibalism from time to time too.

We all know wild animals can be dangerous. But so can humans. This doesn't add any new information.

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Post: #124

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Post: #125

Not to mention even the gorilla's handler had said he didn't go into the exhibit after it turned 7.

Pretty much sums it up about the gorilla's temperament.