Post: #76

(08-23-2017 03:10 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Don't fall into the neo-liberal libertarian trap like I did in my young days as an economics student.

The better economic model is one of a tiny state, flat taxation system (unbending with zero deductions) and of course zero public debt, because usury is the biggest problem of them all.

But even leaving aside the usury question (research - Austrian Woergl model for alternatives https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/201...henomenon/) the economic system needs an equilibrium between the interests of the wage-earners and the ones of the entrepreneurs. Strangely enough the entrepreneurs are long-term even richer if the average wage earners have a solid standard of living. The Dickensian libertarian model is only good in relative terms and only short-term.

It would not bankrupt Austria to pay 1200 EUR for pensioners - most will be fed back into the economy again, but it will bankrupt the country to pay 1000-3000EUR for every bloody unproductive immigrant family who later even causes more problems. The problem of Austria is not too much socialism, but the problem is that the system is being destroyed by immigration and then the usual bullshit like EU rules and global warming madness.

Honestly if it had not joined the EU, had completely closed borders, showed a finger towards the environmentalist mafia, then unemployment would be likely at 2% - meaning close to zero - and the wages would be much higher. But this is true for most European countries.

Agree libertarians are stupid, but all forms of utopian thinking are stupid. There will always be costs and benefits to systems, both good and shitty. It's about what the best balance is.


Most people today agree both left and right( keynesian and monetarist ) that the great depression was caused by a foolish suppression of credit. I'm not sure if its the same thing today, interest free or negative interest rates are perpetuating false/destructive industries that popped up after the 50s/60s. Most Northern and Eastern Europeans are against ZIRP/NIRP from the EZB. More money circulating into the economy also means asset price inflation. Someone has to account for higher payments to pensioners.


Higher the interest rates more people can save and see their income appreciate. You can have high taxes and high spending or low taxes and low spending so its not related to how large the state should be.

Austria doesn't have the level of taxation needed not to cause inflation for perpetually supporting an aging population.



Looking at my own life and what I see around me,I'm against more socialism because of asset price inflation and how its a stamp of approval for dysgenic behavior. Young people might be encouraged to be less retarded especially if they can get on the housing ladder.

Post: #77

The BBC Wrote:After more than a decade in which the Social Democrats have led a coalition with the conservatives, the mood in Austria seems to be moving to the right, our correspondent says.

Mr Kurz, the outgoing foreign minister, reinvented the ÖVP after becoming leader in May, moving it rightward with promises to:

Shut down migrant routes to Europe

Cap benefit payments to refugees at a low level

Bar other foreigners from receiving benefits until they have lived in Austria for five years

Mr Kurz forced the snap election when he refused to continue in coalition with the Social Democrats, led by incumbent Chancellor Christian Kern.

The FPÖ accuse Mr Kurz of stealing their policies. Their candidate, Heinz-Christian Strache, has called him an "imposter".
If his party wins, as polls suggest it will, Mr Kurz would become the youngest leader in Europe, and analysts say his party is likely to go form a coalition with the FPÖ.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41625544

Post: #78

This guy is only 31 years old, and sounds really good. Had to beat some outright voter fraud (that annulled the entire first election). Starts at 10 seconds -

Post: #79

Somewhat surprised Voxday hasn't addressed this yet.
Right up his alley.

Quote:Accept the moderate nationalists of today, or deal with the ultra-nationalists of tomorrow.

Post: #80

This wasn't for President (a largely ceremonial post) but Parliamentary elections, so he will likely end up as Chancellor assuming a coalition of the conservatives with the "far" right.

Post: #81

Fucking massive win for this Kruz fellow here. True success story, 31? Big hopes on this man.

Post: #82

He proposes a system for people to apply for asylum in their home countries who wish to make the journey, this will allow individual countries to decide how many migrants they take in any time. The cucked countries will most likely commit suicide on this system but the non-cucked ones will be much better off.

Post: #83

(10-15-2017 08:18 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  This wasn't for President (a largely ceremonial post) but Parliamentary elections, so he will likely end up as Chancellor assuming a coalition of the conservatives with the "far" right.

I'll take what I can get at this point with western Europe.

Post: #84

The pushback's back on, lads!

Post: #85

How do we know this guy isn't a cuck traitor like Alexis Tsipras? Anyone can talk a big game.

Post: #86

This is the best timeline.

That being said, I read now that he became youngest Foreign Minister in whole Europe at the age of 27! Very interesting indeed and I wonder how he got to that position.

Post: #87

(10-16-2017 03:02 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  How do we know this guy isn't a cuck traitor like Alexis Tsipras? Anyone can talk a big game.

The FPO party got 27% of the vote.

That's massive.

1 in 3 voted for the most right wing party they could find.

Post: #88

How do we know he isn't a cuck traitor? Well, let's start by the fact that he isn't a leftist and go from there.

Post: #89

Quote:I'll take what I can get at this point with western Europe.

The Chancellorship is more important than the Presidency.

Post: #90

Also can we stop calling them "refugees"?

I think I speak for most of us here when I saw that I'm all for legitimate "refugees" to come here. I'm perfectly glad to have more of the kind of people who piss off Jihadists. It's unvetted economic "migrants" and said Jihadists I'm not comfortable with setting loose here.

Post: #91

I think the biggest success of this election has been the complete and utter demise of the Green party:

   

A drop from 11.8% to 3.3% has sent a very clear message. There's a pretty good chance that Kurz will form a coalition with Strache's FPÖ, thus relegating the previously ruling SPÖ to minority opposition status. It was about damn time.

   

Very encouraging this outcome and it's quite possible that Austria will now actively engage and collaborate with the Visegrad 4 group, therefore strengthening the current geographical bulwark against illegal immigration.

Post: #92

The 3 active Austrian election threads have now been merged together.

Post: #93

(10-16-2017 08:52 AM)redpillage Wrote:  I think the biggest success of this election has been the complete and utter demise of the Green party:



A drop from 11.8% to 3.3% has sent a very clear message. There's a pretty good chance that Kurz will form a coalition with Strache's FPÖ, thus relegating the previously ruling SPÖ to minority opposition status. It was about damn time.



Very encouraging this outcome and it's quite possible that Austria will now actively engage and collaborate with the Visegrad 4 group, therefore strengthening the current geographical bulwark against illegal immigration.

That 5 countries collaborated for at least a millennia before. Things indeed never change.... I dare to say Hungary was better of when it was under the Austrian monarchy. We Hungarians have huge issues with self governance, our history shows it.

Post: #94

'Collaborated'. I don't think that the poles and bosniaks had any say, on anything.

But still, it's true that the monarchy gave some modicum of civilisation to the region. Truly amazing. Watch Oberst Redl, by István Szabó, to understand what the K.K. represented.

Also, very glad that the conservatives won, despite the last minute surge for SPÖ.

It might be worth pointing out, though, that the nationalist right actually lost votes, despite the FPÖ itself gaining 5%.

Post: #95

The ever reliable Bill Ravotti's piece on this:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_f...n__=%2AW-R

Post: #96

(10-16-2017 10:11 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 08:52 AM)redpillage Wrote:  I think the biggest success of this election has been the complete and utter demise of the Green party:



A drop from 11.8% to 3.3% has sent a very clear message. There's a pretty good chance that Kurz will form a coalition with Strache's FPÖ, thus relegating the previously ruling SPÖ to minority opposition status. It was about damn time.



Very encouraging this outcome and it's quite possible that Austria will now actively engage and collaborate with the Visegrad 4 group, therefore strengthening the current geographical bulwark against illegal immigration.

That 5 countries collaborated for at least a millennia before. Things indeed never change.... I dare to say Hungary was better of when it was under the Austrian monarchy. We Hungarians have huge issues with self governance, our history shows it.

It's interesting because geographically Austria is just as much Eastern Europe as is the Czech republic. Vienna-Prague-Budapest is a distinct central european axis.

Post: #97

And they're already trying to call him a Nazi and Literally Hitler:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/16/opini...eft-region

In Election, Austria’s Nazi Past Raises Its Head

by the NYTimes Editorial Board

An anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim party won the Austrian elections on Sunday, and its leader might form a government with a party founded by ex-Nazis.

So much for the hopes of spring that election results in the Netherlands and France hinted that the political tide in Europe had turned away from the far right. Last month, Alternative for Germany became the first far-right party to enter Germany’s Parliament since World War II, winning 13 percent of the vote and 94 parliamentary seats.

In Austria, the leader of the victorious People’s Party, Sebastian Kurz, 31, has tried to put a fresh, young face on his stodgy conservative party, changing its traditional black color to a trendy turquoise. But there’s nothing forward-looking about his platform, which taps into the fears that the 90,000 migrants Austria took in from 2015 to 2016 are siphoning away social benefits from hard-working Austrians, and that Muslims pose a cultural and security threat.


And according to preliminary results, the Freedom Party, founded by ex-Nazis in the 1950s, was in a race for second, with about 26 percent of the vote, to the People’s Party’s more than 31 percent. A coalition government of the two parties could be in the cards.

Like right-wing extremists elsewhere in Europe, the Freedom Party enjoys good relations with people close to President Trump. A delegation of Freedom Party leaders attended an election-night party in Trump Tower last November, and a party leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, posted on Facebook that he had met with Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael Flynn. And, like other right-wing European parties, it has close ties with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.

This presents a challenge to Mr. Kurz. “We have to establish a new political style in this country,” he told supporters on Sunday, “we have to create a new culture.” But if this is what he really wants to achieve, he must reject the Freedom Party, its ugly past, its unholy relationships with the Kremlin and with the baser impulses of the Trump administration, and form — as he well can — his new government with either the center-left Social Democrats, which received nearly 27 percent of the vote, or in coalition with a group of smaller parties.

Mr. Kurz is staunchly pro-European. Only by rejecting the hatred and divisions of the past can his new government play a constructive role in shaping a future for Austria and for Europe, where nationalist fears must be tackled by addressing citizens’ legitimate concerns about security and economic fairness without ceding ground to xenophobes.

Post: #98

Mein gott, das ist annudah Shoah!!!

Post: #99

Now I see Voxday has commented :

Quote:The promised rise of nationalism
It is here. It is now. You may recall that I was one of the very few observers of European politics who predicted this years ago. I said it would take two election cycles for the nationalists to come fully to power. We're still in the first one.

"In a recent poll by the Czech Academy of Sciences, the ANO scored 30.9 percent, more than the two traditional heavyweights in Czech politics -- the Social Democrat CSSD and the right-wing ODS -- combined, who scored just 13.1 percent and 9.1 percent respectively.
The takeover of the OeVP in May by "Emperor Kurz" was as swift as it was radical. First he ended the decade-long unhappy coalition with the Social Democrats (SPOe). Then he rebranded the OeVP and its black party colour as a turquoise "movement" tough on migrants and easy on taxes. The strategy of "putting Austrians first" propelled the sluggish OeVP to pole position in opinion polls and Kurz to near-rock star status.
The People’s Party (OVP) got 31.6 per cent of the vote, according to exit polls from pollster SORA. Mr Kurz's party is tough on migration, easy on taxes and widely Eurosceptic after rebranding itself over the last few months to propel its popularity in the wealthy Alpine nation. The 31-year-old is expected to form a coalition with the right-wing populist Freedom Party (FPO), who got 26.9 per cent of the vote, according to the latest projections."

Of course, as with Brexit, the nationalists still have to deliver and free their nations from both the migrant invasions and the chains of the European Union. But be that as it may, it is clear that they have the democratic mandate of their nations, as well as the duty, to do so.

http://voxday.blogspot.com.au/2017/10/th...alism.html

Post: #100

(10-16-2017 08:08 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  And they're already trying to call him a Nazi and Literally Hitler:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/16/opini...eft-region

In Election, Austria’s Nazi Past Raises Its Head

by the NYTimes Editorial Board

An anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim party won the Austrian elections on Sunday, and its leader might form a government with a party founded by ex-Nazis.

So much for the hopes of spring that election results in the Netherlands and France hinted that the political tide in Europe had turned away from the far right. Last month, Alternative for Germany became the first far-right party to enter Germany’s Parliament since World War II, winning 13 percent of the vote and 94 parliamentary seats.

In Austria, the leader of the victorious People’s Party, Sebastian Kurz, 31, has tried to put a fresh, young face on his stodgy conservative party, changing its traditional black color to a trendy turquoise. But there’s nothing forward-looking about his platform, which taps into the fears that the 90,000 migrants Austria took in from 2015 to 2016 are siphoning away social benefits from hard-working Austrians, and that Muslims pose a cultural and security threat.


And according to preliminary results, the Freedom Party, founded by ex-Nazis in the 1950s, was in a race for second, with about 26 percent of the vote, to the People’s Party’s more than 31 percent. A coalition government of the two parties could be in the cards.

Like right-wing extremists elsewhere in Europe, the Freedom Party enjoys good relations with people close to President Trump. A delegation of Freedom Party leaders attended an election-night party in Trump Tower last November, and a party leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, posted on Facebook that he had met with Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael Flynn. And, like other right-wing European parties, it has close ties with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.

This presents a challenge to Mr. Kurz. “We have to establish a new political style in this country,” he told supporters on Sunday, “we have to create a new culture.” But if this is what he really wants to achieve, he must reject the Freedom Party, its ugly past, its unholy relationships with the Kremlin and with the baser impulses of the Trump administration, and form — as he well can — his new government with either the center-left Social Democrats, which received nearly 27 percent of the vote, or in coalition with a group of smaller parties.

Mr. Kurz is staunchly pro-European. Only by rejecting the hatred and divisions of the past can his new government play a constructive role in shaping a future for Austria and for Europe, where nationalist fears must be tackled by addressing citizens’ legitimate concerns about security and economic fairness without ceding ground to xenophobes.

Summary:

   

Demonizing a large part of Central/Eastern Europe as Nazis will undoubtedly bolster the political future of the Left.