Post: #1

There's a lot of talk about not jerking off as a means of developing strength. I find from personal experience this is valid. But I've also read that not cumming at least 20 times per month increases the risk of prostate cancer. So, I'm sure there's some sort of balance to be struck.

Thoughts?

Post: #2

(05-18-2016 04:24 PM)R_Niko Wrote:  There's a lot of talk about not jerking off as a means of developing strength. I find from personal experience this is valid. But I've also read that not cumming at least 20 times per month increases the risk of prostate cancer. So, I'm sure there's some sort of balance to be struck.

Thoughts?

Do you have a link?

Post: #3

(05-18-2016 04:24 PM)R_Niko Wrote:  cumming at least 20 times per month

(05-18-2016 04:24 PM)R_Niko Wrote:  Thoughts?

Harem needed.

Post: #4

I quite wanking 6 times a day and packed on 20lbs of lean mass in a month

Post: #5

I don't know about the "20 times per month" thing, but I do know that frequent ejaculation leads to a lower risk of prostate cancer.

Post: #6

So how many days are you not suppose to ejaculate? I try to avoid it the day before every work out day, but that's about it.

Post: #7

From the evolutionary standpoint, if you arent regularly ejaculating then your body thinks that you are an evolutionary dead end and begins to self-destruct.

Post: #8

From the evolutionary standpoint, if you aren't regularly ejaculating, then your body thinks that you have to up your game some more and begins to transform you into Hulk-mode.

Post: #9

(05-18-2016 04:24 PM)R_Niko Wrote:  There's a lot of talk about not jerking off as a means of developing strength.
Thoughts?

Some extracts from a medical study on why not losing semen is a means of developing strength:

The semen contains substances of high physiological value, especially in relation to the nutrition of the brain and nervous system. If resorption of semen through the wall of the female genital tract has a vitalizing effect on the female organism, the same should be the case in the body of the male in which it is formed and conserved. And conversely, loss of semen must deprive the organism of vitality and valuable substances necessary for the nutrition of nervous tissue, such as lecithin, which has been used therapeutically with great success for the cure of neurasthenia resulting from sexual excess.

The gynecologist Hegar, considers the "sexual necessity" myth an illusion, while Ribbing, another eminent gynecologist, points out the needs for sexual control and continence. The noted physiologist, Marshall, in his "Introduction to Sex Physiology", points out the need for such restraint over the reproductive function and the sublimation of sex energy into higher cerebral forms of expression, as was the case with many intellectual geniuses of the past, who led continent lives. Dr. L. Robinowitch, a prominent American neurologist, says that "sexual continence is not only harmless but beneficial".

"You say: `I do not understand the very function of the sexual apparatus.' It has two functions: Internal Secretion, which is primary, and Reproduction, which is secondary. Any other use of these endocrine organs is a perversion which will reap its penalty in the form of nervous disorder and premature old age and death.

These facts indicate an intimate relation between spermatozoa and the cells of the cerebral cortex, absence of the formation of the former leading to decline of the latter. There is evidence that spermatozoa, when not discharged, are resorbed into the blood-stream and carried to the brain. Both in their chemical composition and their elongated form, they have a remarkable similarity to brain-cells, which, like them, lack the capacity of reproduction, in contrast to most other cells of the body which have this capacity. Could spermatozoa, passing to the brain and spinal marrow, have a relation to the mobile neuroglia, which likewise move about by flagellated motions of their tail, and which are potential cells of the central nervous system? This is an interesting speculation. Norret must have had some such thought in mind when he remarked, "The resorption of what Dr.LeCamus called a mass of microscopic brains is a source of vigor and longevity."

That the semen contains substances of great physiological value, especially in relation to the nutrition of the nervous system, is clear from its chemical analysis, which shows that it is extremely rich in lecithin, cholesterin and phosphorus, the chief constituents of nerve and brain tissue. It therefore follows that the withdrawal of these substances from the circulation by seminal discharges (voluntarily or involuntarily) must have an adverse effect on the nutrition of nerve and brain tissue and result in disturbed functioning. Such biochemical consideration support the view that loss of seminal fluid involves lowered nutrition of nerve and brain tissue, and, when excessive, to nervous and mental disorders. The remarkable similarity in chemical composition between the semen and the central nervous system indicates such a relationship. Older physiologists suspected this fact.

From the foregoing, it is clear that there is an important internal physiological relation between the secretions of the sex glands and the central nervous system, that the loss of these secretions, voluntarily or involuntarily, exercises a detrimental effect on the nutrition and vitality of the nerves and brain, while, on the other hand, the conservation of these secretions has a vitalizing effect on the nervous system, a regenerating effect on the endocrine glands and a rejuvenating effect on the organism as a whole.

Post: #10

I tried it a few times, but I never really watched internet porn, which I think is the real culprit behind the "negative effects of masturbation".

If you quit something you're addicted to, you're going to see a positive benefit to your life as your body struggles to find something else (hopefully positive) to fill that void.

Cost : Can't think about anything except sex
Dick gets smaller
Balls become uncomfortably swollen
Get off in 8 seconds
Harder time sleeping

Benefit : Desire to approach and get laid goes way up
Erection quality goes up for a couple days, then tapers off

Post: #11

20 times a month sounds too much. Even if it is so, let's not forget that if your body needs to ejaculate you get to have wet dreams.

Post: #12

I have not fapped for about 10 months since just before I started dating my LTR, as we have sex at least once a day.

In that time, I have gained about 2.5kg of lean mass, and I'm about to get some regular blood test done to see if my testosterone levels have increased or not (I felt like they have).

My strength and fitness have also increased, but nothing out of the ordinary from regular improvements. I'm doing two competitive sports now as well: powerlifting and boxing. Not sure if no-fap helps with that. I know some seriously strong guys and they sound like regular fappers from their obsessions with porn (discussing it loudly at training).

Post: #13

(06-10-2016 01:21 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  I know some seriously strong guys and they sound like regular fappers from their obsessions with porn (discussing it loudly at training).

Porn is the last thing I would want to talk about with other guys, let alone talking about it in a public place. I can see cracking a few jokes about it, but going on full length discussions on the ethics of cleanliness regarding anal or vaginal does not strike me as a fun conversation. Porn is made for private, anonymous places, and that is where it's best kept.

Post: #14

as Filbert also said, there is no evidence that lack of masturbation leads to problems in the salami section, as most of the semen will be reabsorbed by the body while part of it can be ejected involuntarily (wet dreams), basically the jewels already take care of themselves and no external action is needed.

I think it's all about you man, not jerkin' it can raise the testosterone level, which can make you go insane if you already have it naturally high, that's why alot of people shit on nofappers, because it's not for everybody, the ones who benefit most are the guys with naturally low testosterone

Post: #15

http://www.harvardprostateknowledge.org/...ate-cancer

Quote:As part of Harvard’s Health Professionals Follow-up Study, 29,342 men between the ages of 46 and 81 reported their average number of ejaculations per month in young adulthood (ages 20–29), in mid-life (ages 40–49), and in the most recent year. Ejaculations included sexual intercourse, nocturnal emissions, and masturbation. Study participants also provided comprehensive health and lifestyle data every two years from 1992 to 2000. The scientists found that men who ejaculated 21 or more times a month enjoyed a 33% lower risk of prostate cancer compared with men who reported four to seven ejaculations a month throughout their lifetimes.

Post: #16

Prostate cancer, like any sort of cancer, is not caused by only one factor. wankin it could be one of the many factors, but since there are many other factors, it might not be correlated.

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-p...sk-factors
my sources:
http://yourbrainonporn.com/discussion-of...e-research
http://yourbrainonporn.com/rethinking-wo...sturbation (point #5)

i now feel weird and will stop talking about prostate

Post: #17

(05-18-2016 04:24 PM)R_Niko Wrote:  There's a lot of talk about not jerking off as a means of developing strength.

NoFap has its benefits, but increased strength is not one of them. Period.

Post: #18

What I've personally noticed was that I'm able to focus on my assignments and tasks for much longer.

Post: #19

Whenever I don't fap, my strenght increases by 500%, I become way stronger. I am in a point where when I fap, I literally become ill. So I am avoiding that as much as I can.

Post: #20

500% ?

Post: #21

For me there is a mental desire to get more stuff done. I personally have the freedom to wake up any time I want , however I choose to wake up at 6:40 and be at the gym by 7am to swim a few laps to start my day.
When I fap the night before, things change as the next morning I am recharging, I don't have the strong fierce desire to wake up at 6:40 nor to hit the gym. I end up sleeping till close to 11am and most of my day is lost.
I fap about 1-2 times a week, it sucks but im working on finding a permanent solution for this problem.

Post: #22

I experimented with a fleshlight. I realized when I masturbate with my hand after I ejaculate I do feel weaker. When I use the fleshlight and prolong the ejaculation for as long as I can I have more powerful orgasms and don't have as many consequences as masturbating with my hand. I can feel a loss of energy at times, but it beats wacking with the hand for sure. I recommend it.

Post: #23

My record is 147 without FAP.
I'm not your average Red-Piller though, I have a wife that puts out like 4 to 5 nights a week so it is not as difficult for me (I don't have to deal with "Dry Spells")

The rumors are absolutely true, going long periods of time without the FAP is one of the absolute best things you can do to improve your Alpha Male Mindset.
Ideally, we would all become Master of Your Own Domain and never FAP again.
However, even with getting laid 4 to 5 nights a week - I still haven't been able to pull this off.

I think most of us live a lifestyle of Fitness and Good Nutrition.
This alone means us Red-Pillers probably have 10X the Libido of the average Liberal-Cuck-BorderlineHomo.
This raging Libido most likely makes it very hard (haha) to master the NO-FAP.

To become a better man, we should always strive to improve our Willpower and Discipline though.
Even if we KNOW we are going to fail at this at SOME POINT, it is still worth fighting to achieve.
It is like death, we know eventually it comes for us all but we don't sit around like pussies fearing it.
Hmmm... this post got kind of philosophically heavy for a thread about not playing with your dingy.

Post: #24

I think there is definitely merit to not doing it. However, I don't think the crux of the matter is really beating off one way or another, the real issue is using porn to do it. Try not using porn and I'll bet that you'll not want to do it as much anyways. Porn can take you places you can't on your own, so it's best avoided. There's evidence of other primates masturbating, there isn't any other species using porn.

Porn is a sanitized environment, devoid of touch and smells, using your hand vs. the extra effort it takes to use your hips. The women are far prettier and cleaner (from a wash down standpoint) than you'll ever encounter (how many women outside of porn are bleaching their assholes?). In porn you're watching others have sex, in your mind, you're the star (even better if you're reliving a past experience that you actually had). Just my two cents on the matter.

Post: #25

(06-14-2016 03:18 PM)pitt Wrote:  Whenever I don't fap, my strenght increases by 500%, I become way stronger. I am in a point where when I fap, I literally become ill. So I am avoiding that as much as I can.

Discounting the 500% claim for obvious reasons, this and many posts in the other nofap thread make me suspect that a fairly substantial part of the benefits some of the most avoid supporters experience are likely psychological.
Basically I think the people who really feel they have a serious problem with porn and/or masturbation are likely to get a large mood and energy boost when they manage to quit their perceived addiction for a period of time, and something that might approach depression if they "relapse".

Meanwhile people who don't feel particularly strongly either way about porn and masturbation will probably also likely feel less changes if they happen to skip their habits for a while for whatever reason.

Since my mid thirties I do feel a positive increase in libido when I don't masturbate for just a few days, and inversely feel a substantial decrease (but just libido, not overall energy) lasting a couple of days if I - very rarely these days, and only if my libido started out on a high - masturbate several times a day for a few days in a row.