Post: #151

(05-17-2016 06:54 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  You're going to go for blood for copy/pasting?

Since when did this go from people simply wanting to know the truth vs a screaming mob?

People have found value in the dudes other posts, meanwhile others see them as someone writing with just a tad bit too much grandeur.

Nobody gives a shit if someone copy pastes with attribution.

Nobody gives a shit if someone takes a bunch of sources and writes an original piece, drawing from all of those sources to write something new. I don't think anyone here expects a works cited page or footnotes for specific assertions or facts that are not just plain quoted.

However, the fact is NTP plagiarized.

Plagiarism - noun - the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.

Quote:Waves are mainly a product of the wind, as wind touches the surface of the ocean the energy is transferred to the water and helps create the swell (a group of travelling waves). Local shore winds can also produce waves, but they usually destroy the quality of the breaking waves. Onshore winds are typically known for creating choppy and bumpy waves because they push in the direction of the wave, making them unstable. In theory, low-pressure systems are responsible for creating good and strong waves. The friction created by these winds helps to form energy waves that travel thousands of miles until hitting final obstacles; usually coastal areas.

- snipped for brevity -

Waves are a complex result of many factors from being created by wind which is created by the rotation of the Earth and the friction that is caused by pressure differentials within the atmosphere, and influenced along the way by changes in sea floor topography, rainfall, tides, coastal backwash, currents and local winds. There is also stuff like geomorphology of the planet's surface, solar energy and gravity, but I am not going to get into that here dude.

I spend time talking about the above because the location and conditions that you choose to surf will directly affect the quality of your surfing experience and the intensity of your stoke.

See that? That's NTP taking personal credit for the preceding passage. Parts of that passage were taken verbatim from other sources, and much of it is very lightly paraphrased from the same sources. Unless he wrote the articles from which he took the passage--hey, maybe he did--that is proof positive that he copied someone else's work and presented it as his own.

Anyone recall awhile back when Fisto had a bunch of his work stolen by a guy who published it for sale on Amazon? I don't remember anyone then saying "Oh, what's the big deal, it's just copy pasting man. What do you think this is, English class?" No, we had people talking about putting up cash bounties and gold memberships and shit for whoever tracked the guy down.

So why is plagiarism suddenly no big deal now?

Either you think it's wrong to present yourself as an authority in a subject by stealing other peoples' work, or you don't. It's that simple.

Post: #152

He can go down in flames just like CMQ, Mixx, Soup, Gmanifesto, and many others deemed and outed as frauds for all I care.

But no need to continue with this thread in my opinion.

Post: #153

Quote:Waves are a complex result of many factors from being created by wind which is created by the rotation of the Earth and the friction that is caused by pressure differentials within the atmosphere, and influenced along the way by changes in sea floor topography, rainfall, tides, coastal backwash, currents and local winds. There is also stuff like geomorphology of the planet's surface, solar energy and gravity, but I am not going to get into that here dude.

I really like how he added that at the end as if to establish that he wrote it himself.

Post: #154

(02-22-2016 12:58 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  For what it is worth, this (information, not necessarily the source) is credible. I have intel that indicates this occurred in 2013 and that it low yield. Delivery will be the issue and there is a high probability that it will be neutralized. However, high probability is not definitive.

Really bro? you have intel about nuclear weapons?

The Saudi Royal military has a mole who leaks info to 50yr old retired CEOs at the yacht club?

Post: #155

So then how about all these news feed threads I see on Facebook then click here..

Boom a thread about it.

Post: #156

(05-17-2016 07:05 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  I asked in a respectful way, I expected a polite answer.
There's no need to have a temper tantrum.

You pointed the finger at me in a clearly accusatory tone, hoping to draw the lynch mob my way. You did it passive aggressively in the Buddhism thread, but this time was worse. If you wanted to ask me respectfully, a PM would have sufficed. You did not take that route. You wanted to make a spectacle of it to big yourself up.

You openly disrespected me by publicly gaslighting me, then demanded that I explain myself. That is how someone talks to a child. That is not how someone talks to someone they respect. If you are going to treat me with that level of disrespect, do not be surprised if I return the favor. Don't try to slink out of it passive aggressively after you've been caught in the act.

Post: #157

A little forum drama now and then is not a bad thing. Usually there are only 1 to 3 of these things a year.



Besides, they are bonding events for the guys who are there who witness them and then can look back on them later and laugh.

Post: #158

Not saying he didn't make stuff up and copy/paste, but I'm surprised a guy would go through all the time and effort. His intent must have been to make money off the community by starting some blog or selling some ebooks, otherwise I just don't get it.

Post: #159

The person that NTP needs to make an apology to is oneeyedjack. He gifted ~$1500 ($21(?)x75 gold memberships), or something to that degree, to the forum directly as a result of advice received from NTP. Now if it turned out that this advice that was provided was simply available on Wikipedia, do you think that oneeyedjack would be too pleased? I do not think so. I agree with other posters that this member, NTP, is a liability, not asset to the forum and anything shy of a ban will not reflect too well on the credibility of this forum.

Post: #160

^ At the end of the day oneeyedjack still received the advice he was looking for (not sure on what it was) so I don't think it really matters if NTP copied it off wikipedia or not, so I don't think he owes OEJ anything more than a thanks for the gold membership

That being said, NTP should be banned.

Post: #161

(05-17-2016 05:38 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  Thoughtgypsy, as NTP's biggest defender in the buddhism thread, please can you elaborate on the following 2 quotes you made last month.

(04-19-2016 01:40 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  I worked at a NASA center during the development of the Ares-V and Ares-I-X under the Constellation program before it was cancelled.

/thread-55250...pid1281000

(04-20-2016 07:07 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  You'd be surprised how many college students rotate through NASA as a result of their internship and CO OP programs. Most impressive of all are the Test Pilots.

/thread-55250...pid1281598

Elaborate on what? That he worked at Nasa? Did they have a salad bar in the cafeteria? Were the croutons good? That he was impressed with the kind of guys that were test pilots? Did they shave everyday?

What do you want elaborated and why?

You never said, and you still haven't. That's why it looks like an attempted hit job on TG.

Some of you guys are really something else.

Post: #162

Still waiting for OP to drop a datasheet.

Post: #163

(05-17-2016 08:26 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  The person that NTP needs to make an apology to is oneeyedjack. He gifted ~$1500 ($21(?)x75 gold memberships), or something to that degree, to the forum directly as a result of advice received from NTP. Now if it turned out that this advice that was provided was simply available on Wikipedia, do you think that oneeyedjack would be too pleased? I do not think so. I agree with other posters that this member, NTP, is a liability, not asset to the forum and anything shy of a ban will not reflect too well on the credibility of this forum.

That is what makes many of us so confused over this whole thing. Apparently oneeyedjack offered to give NASA Test Pilot that money, but NTP refused it and asked oneeyedjack to pay it forward to the community. It is not congruent with someone who would be selfish. I think that's why many are giving him the benefit of the doubt that would not be extended to others under similar circumstances.

Original post:

(04-06-2016 02:22 PM)Oneeyedjack Wrote:  A few days ago, when I needed an in-depth answer to a question, I contacted NASA Test Pilot. Of course he came back with a very comprehensive response. I offered compensation because it was well worth it. He instead suggested I sponsor several members to gold membership which I did. You should blame NTP, it was his idea

Also, RVF is always the first place I look when I have questions. More often than not and to my surprise, I find the answers right here. Its quite an amazing resource. It deserves the support.

/thread-54932...pid1270341

Post: #164

(05-17-2016 05:31 PM)scorpion Wrote:  This raises dangerous possibilities. Who is this guy, exactly? If he's willing to engage in deception of this magnitude to gain the trust of the forum, what kind of game is he playing? He could easily be some kind of infiltrator or mole seeking to gain the trust of the community in order to obtain the personal information of members for doxxing purposes.

See my comment a few weeks back in the private lounge after my recent 'Appreciation Thread' where I question the validity of the Forum's Reputation System by clearly-laying out exactly why I shouldn't be trusted with any vital information about Forum Ops.

Some of you guys mightn't have been around Leftists to the degree I have, and mightn't be able conceive of just how dedicated True Believers are to infiltration and subversion. This is exactly why both Governments and Silicon Valley are the way they are at the moment.

It's easy to think of this as paranoia, but some members come from countries without Free Speech protections and severe financial and physical penalties for Thought Crime. Australia is much further along the road to Hell than the US.

We are officially a Threat to the Status Quo, as revealed by the co-ordinated attack on ROK earlier this year. I expected a harder crackdown, but, luckily for us, there's fires springing up everywhere due to Trump and the Refugee Crisis that took some of the heat off of us but doesn't preclude Fixated Gamma Weirdos from obsessing over us. Still, I'd suggest not be too complacent about the value of your identity, particularly if your career involves making nice with Leftists, at least until this witch hunt culture ends.

Post: #165

I'm just a new member (though I've been reading RoK for a while, lurking here, and even saw Roosh in London) but being a naturally skeptical person I just cant help thinking this guy is completely and utterly bullshitting the entire forum.

Look through all his posts. I bet you wont find one single admission of weakness, the guy seems never to have struggled or made any mistakes. From being white kid in China learning Buddhism from Monks, to becoming a Nasa test pilot, to getting a super lucrative corporate job, leaving that to sail round the world (for 10 years), and gaming many many chicks on the side. I mean the guy has an LTR in every country, supposedly keeping them in this state for 6months to a year while tests them out.

Let's have a look at one of his threads and dissect. My commentary in bold

(02-10-2016 02:18 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  There I was today (actually it was yesterday), living my life like I normally do (TIWTLMLLIND). I was sitting on my surfboard just off my favorite point breaks. The warm sun was shining on my back with not a cloud in the sky. I did not have a care in the world as I caught wave after wave, until…Yup, just living your perfect life, as you normally, without a care in a world and not a cloud in the sky when.....This six pack of frothy Michelob Dark Latinas, appear on the rocks about 25 meters away shouting Hola NASA, Hola NASA. "Hola NASA" Just when I thought things couldnt better, six hot latinas holla at you. Life certainly is good being Nasa Test Pilot. I wonder what will happen now..

I recognized 4 of the bottles, one of which I have tasted. She was a rich blend with a mild aftertaste. The others had nice labels. Cool metaphors bro, arent you a player

As I continued to stare intently at those tight bikinis (less is more), here comes the best wave of the day. It is almost upon me. I try to turn in order to catch the wave, paddling hard, but I was not going to make that glassy babe. Lost my frame and missed the best opportunity of the day because I decide to pay attention to some chicas. Lesson learned.

Five of the six smiled and giggled ofcourse they just cant resist your alpha charm, 5 of the 6 turning into mush in your expert hands as one of them proceeds to ask me if I am going to be at surfer X´s house party this weekend. a seasoned player gets the girls to ask him out, noted To which I replied, probably; maybe I will see you there (with Chim-Chim and Spritle). As I began to back away with a smile, they replied ok, hope to see you there. a bit weak though, if this was me those 6 hot chicas would've jump me right there on the beach.

I suppose atleast there is a lesson to be learnt here

Lost my frame and missed the best opportunity of the day because I decide to pay attention to some chicas. Lesson learned.

(02-17-2016 11:37 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  A Bridge too Far

TIWTLMLLIND. Just another day in charmed life of Nasa I was departing work today no way bro, you work? I thought that was just for us plebs, say it aint so?, returning from one of my favorite beaches after a kick-ass morning surf session I thought you were working? I dont get it coming across a narrow bridge that spans a lagoon that connects land and sea. Heading toward the beach was this above average guy in his early 30´s wearing a t-shirt and pushing a baby stroller with a young child under the age of two. His head was down as if he was pushing the stroller like he was Sisyphus pushing a boulder up a hill. Some 5-10 meters behind him was an attractive woman of about 25 whose hips were slightly wider, signaling that she was the mother walking and talking alongside her older sister or perhaps young mother. She obviously works out and filled out that thong bikini like most of the other Christmas ornaments that adorned the beach. I reckon she's way too good for that beta male father pushing the stroller around, what a loser, he should come here and and get tips from us

As I approached with my work tools (surfboard) oh shit! by work you mean Surfing. Work for me means something really depressing. But now I understand that for someone of your status even work is awesome under one arm, happily swinging the other arm, while wearing my normal work attire (surf shorts and sandals) your so cool, I wish my life was like that ; I noticed that their conversation paused. When they say the great Alpha Nasa approaching all went silent, even time seemed to stop The young mother looked at my surfboard and then gave me that 2-3 second head-to-toe stare that a woman on the hunt gives with one to two seconds of eye contact after her super-market scan. I stared back through my sun glass and she smiled then averted my stare. Ofcourse, it's not physically possible for Nasa to walk past a hot woman and not get eye-fucked After I passed, I shook my head and silently reflected on Bridge-Girl and hypergamy in action. The guy does not even know that she should be pushing that stroller and he should have his head up with eyes fixed on that amazing ocean that he will be enjoying in short order. He will have his challenges with her over the next two years unless he gets his shit together.

I do not spend time on women with children unless that child is an independent adult because this is a bridge too far.

Well, atleast we all learnt a lesson here

The guy does not even know that she should be pushing that stroller and he should have his head up with eyes fixed on that amazing ocean that he will be enjoying in short order. He will have his challenges with her over the next two years unless he gets his shit together.

(03-19-2016 11:31 AM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  As I sat there, one of the girls from swim practice came over and sat down next to me and said, hey NASA what are you doing? So you're just sitting there and this girl sits down next to you and makes conversation? This girl is very pretty, rock´in body like the other swimmers, I expect nothing less by now but she is more reserved and normally engages more indirectly (which is not bad). ofcourse making exceptions for you Ok, whatever, I said ´doing some people watching.´ She digs a little deeper and asks, what types of things are you watching? I am not the one to give women direct answers and I usually look for them to give to me more before I even begin the reciprocation process, but I thought, I will give her credit for asking something a little more under the surface. I wanted to see what her interest was, as I am sitting here watching mothers (there was one father) and their young children. I threw out some beta bait and said; ´I am watching how the mothers are interacting with their children´ and left it general. I could see her eyes open wider, her body turn toward me, more of her teeth were showing in her smile, her back straighten up she tilted her head slightly. All of this within 5 seconds of throwing the bait. Remember, this girl was normally more reserved and was not the aggressive type, but she took my interest in watching the mothers and their children as an indicator of being a provider. It illustrated on a deeper level to me how women (un)consciously pick up on small male behaviors that are of interest to them.

[Word salad omitted for brevity]

She needs to be OK with me traveling on my own terms and not being present with her or the family for long periods of time (whether she knows or does not know that I have others around the world is not as important to me). This will be difficult (but not impossible) for most women in today´s world. I accept this and may give them a chance to earn a promotion to my LTR world (for that country). lucky for them I will give them an opportunity to demonstrate to me that they can handle my conditions, but I do not hold my breath. I doubt they can meet your standards I do pause with girls like this, even in the interim; as I think, here is a pretty or beautiful woman that I find attractive, she has great genetics, good values, comes from a strong family, low notch count and at least inspires me to romance dude you need to increase you standards, most men here wouldnt even think of settling for someone like that , so I slowly give her increased opportunities to garner my attention based on her actions. However, my instincts (and often experience) show me that she will not make the last hurdle and will want me to be with her and her alone. Surely no woman is good enough for you I am not a cold hearted bastard all of the time and I realize that a female has a limited window and I do not want to use all of her window knowing that I want something else. So, I give them a window (usually 6, but less than 12 months) to illustrate to me that they can make the leap and then I invest less attention and at a maximum she will be a regular LTR for that country. What! Just one LTR in each country. A true player needs to have atleast 5 these days, my mate Steve has 7 in each country, and he doesnt even lift

Another lesson

Remember, this girl was normally more reserved and was not the aggressive type, but she took my interest in watching the mothers and their children as an indicator of being a provider. It illustrated on a deeper level to me how women (un)consciously pick up on small male behaviors that are of interest to them.

This guys writing is highly formulaic and superficial. He does seem to have much detail on certain subjects which is what readers seem to focus on. He seems highly versed on Game.

I believe his writing to be too one-dimensional, he presents a very strong and developed individual but without any evidence of growth. How did NTP become NTP, what's his backstory? Well, in this case NTP just is, and he is without fault.
The writing is too perfect, the long summer days spend 'working' as a surfer, meeting hot girls, demonstrating superiority to beta males, and having a moral or lesson in each story.

His other posts in the same thread read exactly the same. Always starting with "I was living my life as usual surfing the waves in this sunny exotic climate when..." followed by some encounter with attractive women affirming his alpha status, the affirmation of some rule or aspect of red pill wisdom and always a positive outcome for our hero.

Real life doesnt work like that.

In my opinion Nasa is sad, sad person. Certainly not to be seen as some sort of (real or fictional) role model.

Post: #166

(05-17-2016 08:36 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 08:26 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  The person that NTP needs to make an apology to is oneeyedjack. He gifted ~$1500 ($21(?)x75 gold memberships), or something to that degree, to the forum directly as a result of advice received from NTP. Now if it turned out that this advice that was provided was simply available on Wikipedia, do you think that oneeyedjack would be too pleased? I do not think so. I agree with other posters that this member, NTP, is a liability, not asset to the forum and anything shy of a ban will not reflect too well on the credibility of this forum.

That is what makes many of us so confused over this whole thing. Apparently oneeyedjack offered to give NASA Test Pilot that money, but NTP refused it and asked oneeyedjack to pay it forward to the community. It is not congruent with someone who would be selfish. I think that's why many are giving him the benefit of the doubt that would not be extended to others under similar circumstances.

Original post:

(04-06-2016 02:22 PM)Oneeyedjack Wrote:  A few days ago, when I needed an in-depth answer to a question, I contacted NASA Test Pilot. Of course he came back with a very comprehensive response. I offered compensation because it was well worth it. He instead suggested I sponsor several members to gold membership which I did. You should blame NTP, it was his idea

Also, RVF is always the first place I look when I have questions. More often than not and to my surprise, I find the answers right here. Its quite an amazing resource. It deserves the support.

/thread-54932...pid1270341

I never knew about that. OneEyedJack must've felt it was worth something of great value.

Who else here has been offered that kind of money as a thank you for advice given in a PM?

Post: #167

(05-17-2016 08:09 PM)Gmac Wrote:  He can go down in flames just like CMQ, Mixx, Soup, Gmanifesto, and many others deemed and outed as frauds for all I care.

But no need to continue with this thread in my opinion.

Did that feel good to type out?

Post: #168

This thread doesn't need to be derailed but almost all of these problems relate back to standards of member verification and what constitutes as "vetted". I see this debate popping up more and more and I can trace many problems back to it.

Post: #169

(05-17-2016 08:21 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  A little forum drama now and then is not a bad thing. Usually there are only 1 to 3 of these things a year.



Besides, they are bonding events for the guys who are there who witness them and then can look back on them later and laugh.

I am and have been a member of the Misc forum on Bodybuilding.com and the Syrian War Subreddit for years now. There's always a pattern ...

I've noticed in early October, as the year begins to come to an end, guys start complaining a lot. Political discussions, doom and gloom, and "I miss my ex-girlfriend"-esque posts start popping up like crazy. Plus side is that winter usually renders the best and most intelligent discourse.

Around mid -February to mid-March there's a mini-phase when guys start losing their shit from the long winter and lack of sunlight. Minor meltdowns and members calling each other out over paltry issues becomes common.

Things scale back to normal until May where all hell breaks loose. Trolls come out from hibernation mode and raise the energy level on forums. Forum drama ALWAYS reaches it's peak in May and June, slowly tapering off in mid-July.

Mid-July through late September is the time when everybody is in a good mood. Even forum arch-enemies start being are nice to each other. The strictest mods become more lenient.

This too shall pass and we can go back to loving NTP again.

Post: #170

At this point in time, it is up to NTP to show up and explain or defend himself. I'm quite certain that he will not be heard from again which will pretty much prove to me that he was the fraud I thought he was from day one. Again, I'm ready to acknowledge my error in judgement if he comes forth and proves himself to be real.

This matter is an important one because we look like fools by following and defend someone like NTP just because he sounds so cool and interesting. Credibility matters in life and one can't be a leader of men without it. I stand by the OP having the courage to call this guy out. His relative newness to the forum is irrelavent to me because the truth is the truth, regardless of who tells it.

Guys here do need to be less afraid of meeting each other, especially veterans meeting other veterans. It again speaks to credibility along with courage. During that whole fiasco in Feb, many of us met despite the risks. Yes it was risky but it was exciting, and fulfilling to give the middle finger to the whole world. I actually got doxxed on Facebook before the meetup so I had those wackos looking to find me. I have a whole lot to lose, especially while I was going through my own personal hell, but in my mind I would have been a total loser by deciding to hide behind my keyboard so I defiantly went. Some may call that poor judgement but it is my belief that the only way to begin to change this messed up culture is to show up. Live and in person. Guys like NTP who want to cast themselves as James Bond are fools that I won't suffer. Was he at any of the meet ups? I could have used 007 to protect me.

Again, let's see if he shows up like a man. I'm almost certain he won't.

Post: #171

I just read through many of NTP's posts, and apart from the plagiarization, he just struck me as being too perfect. I won't entirely discount his experiences, but they take some believing.
But if they're true, he's one of my role models.

Post: #172

(05-17-2016 05:29 PM)Moma Wrote:  I do concur with Pitt that the not wanting to meet people is suspect and puts people into a certain category as far as I am concerned. I totally respect anonymity. The weed man can meet one to exchange money for an eighth but highly repped RVF member can't meet? No one is asking for real name or face, you can even wear heavy face paint with a thick hoodie and speak with a constant grunt if need be. If members probe and ask what's behind the paint and you tell them to get stuffed, I get it. I personally don't ask chatters, for their real names, I am happy to call them Mr Purple the entire time and be fine with it. I find it incredulous that a member can be in the 100s when it comes to rep points accumulated and no one has met him and everyone is cool with that.

The part in bold above is ridiculous. The weed man situation is a blatant straw man argument/example and the notion that someone here is going to care about their anonymity enough that they're going to go in full on "heavy face paint" and disguise their voice instead of just not meeting anyone is ridiculous.

(05-17-2016 05:36 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  I agree with Moma on members who refuse to meet. You really have to be self-important to an almost delusional degree to think your anonymity is threatened by other posters on RVF. (Or that you're important enough for people to dox...give me a fucking break) I mean look at that guy from Montreal, he was revealed to be an RVFer to the people in his city (which is an SJW stronghold) and as far as I know, he's still doing fine.

What you say contradicts itself. The example you give is a guy that went to meet with RvF members and ended up getting publicized. You can't assume that he's still doing fine. His life was changed in a way that can't be defined by your assumptions. His life has obviously changed, and it's not likely to be for the better if he continues mainstream employment as the video with his face on it is out there on YouTube. I admire his positive attitude and how he's dealt with it in the posts I've seen here, but there are many that don't ever want to be in his position.

That's not a weakness, that's simply a personal choice...and a pretty defensible one I think, especially considering many people personally witnessed SJWs on the national meetup day standing next to police officers ready to try to expose/arrest RvF members.

There's no reason SJWs wouldn't try to meet with users under the guise of being a forum member, we have plenty of trolls banned and many of them are SJWs who have spent significant amounts of energy/planning to have multiple accounts, long-time accounts, accounts with significant post history, etc...

NTP may be a complete SJW troll in the end, but conflating a desire for anonymity and proof of legitimacy is shortsighted.

Post: #173

Gee, who would devote such a huge amount of time and energy to undermine this forum?

   

Post: #174

More stuff he copypasted and took artistic liberties with from other places or people: (The legendary USMC Colonel Jeff Cooper to be exact). He should have just cited the colonel who created these rules and said what he would add to it.

/thread-55358...pid1288319

Quote:Gunfight - The Two Way Rifle Range


I have been PMing and e-mailing with a number of ROK men and we have been discussing issues in terms of deploying and preparing for when the rifle range becomes two ways. It is not simply 3 or 4 guys and it is both officers and enlisted. Having thought about this, I considered that there are probably many non-military (or non-law enforcement) men out there who could benefit from some basic principles. I am confident that there are also numerous men on the Forum who have been in the shit storm while in the military or in law enforcement. This is a call to them to share some basic experiences or rules that may be helpful to the men on the Forum in general. It may naturally lead to tactics, but my goal is to keep things simple so that they stick in the minds of members and recalling one or two things just might make the difference between spreading your genes and not.

I was also reflecting on the fact that in 1944 many of the men between the ages of 18-20 were coming off of landing craft and storming beaches in the Pacific or in Europe, whereas in 2014, many of the men ages 18-20 were looking for safe spaces.

Among the major points that I made to the men who were going to be leaders of men, three have application for a larger audience. On the internal side, you must know yourself (strengths and weaknesses). Dishonesty (and no one will know but you and your creator) with yourself can get others (and yourself) killed down the road. Secondly and third is to be technically and tactically proficient. Never stop learning, drilling, practicing, and rehearsing.

Listed below are a few points to consider.


-Have a gun, (bring a knife in addition)

-Have plenty of ammunition.

-When you pick up a weapon (gun) it has one purpose. Use it accordingly.

-Have other men with you.

-Make sure the other men have a gun and plenty of ammunition.

-Things happen fast. A normal engagement is about a 60 seconds plus or minus 30 seconds (which may be followed by another engagement as you maneuver).

-The longer the firefight, the more likely it is that you will die. End it quickly, maintain the initiative.

-Surprise is key (military guys, get recon).

-Keep your head up (when it is down, things appear to come out of nowhere), unless you are getting shelled.

-Do not turn your back on your threat.

-Calm, accurate fire at a distance is paramount (engage with your rifle, not your pistol if possible as it will generally be a fatal error). Many people panic (cerebral fibrillation) the first time out of the gate (especially in close quarters). Take your cues from the experienced veterans (platoon sergeants, company/battalion commanders).

-Breathe (holding your breath is a sign of panic).

-Watch your enemy´s hands, their hands kill.

-If you cannot see your enemy, shoot where you would be (hiding). Part of it is guess work.

-If it is worth shooting once, it is worth shooting twice. Ammunition is cheap, life is expensive.

-As the engagement presses forward things becoming increasing difficult and your stress levels go ballistic (experience helps);

-Tracers work both ways.

-Stay in motion (those moving are 2 times LESS likely to get hit as compared to those standing and not moving).

-Walk your rounds up from the ground to your target as you move toward them.

-Run to maneuver, do not walk (dead men walk).

-Seek Cover (from objects that will stop a round (not a car), do not hug the ground) and know where cover is located. Move away from your attacker at a diagonal or laterally when seeking cover (those shooting from cover are 4 times LESS likely to get hit as compared to those standing without cover).

-If you are not shooting you should be communicating, reloading, or maneuvering.

-Friendly fire is not. Communicate with your team. Tell them where you are and where you are moving.

-Use a radio, call for support (fast movers, gunships, artillery, other men, etc.).

-Have a plan and a back-up plan (plans usually do not survive past the first few seconds after initial contact with the enemy).

-Flank your enemy and protect your flank.

-Drill/practice/rehearse to be proficient, this should never be easy.


-It is not Hollywood, get that shit out of your head. In the end the details will not be remembered, only who lived and who died.

-Sometimes it is luck when you duck or stand and the guy next to you does the opposite and he gets hit.

-After the engagement you will be tired because of the adrenaline. Rest (hydrate, eat) when practical and prepare for the next engagement.

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/ccw/gunfight_rules.htm

Quote:Rules for a Gunfight
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1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap – life is expensive.
3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.
4. If your shooting stance is good, you’re probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.
5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)
6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.
9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on “pucker factor” than the inherent accuracy of the gun. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. “All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket.”
10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
11. Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. Have a plan.
13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won’t work.
14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
16. Don’t drop your guard.
17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.
18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.)
19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.
21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
24. Do not attend a gun fight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with anything smaller than “4”.
25. You can’t miss fast enough to win.

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Guys who don't want to meet should not be pressed to meet others. I wouldn't think any less of NTP for not meeting us, personally. There are a number of forum members that no one has met and that's cool. That doesn't take away from what they have to say.