Post: #1

Team,

It's kind of feel like I'm getting into the game again. But the game has changed or what? Went out yesterday with a 7, but a hell of good personality. Everything went out well, and of course the make out session after the date. Today I received a text message stating that I'm not a man of god and she is very conservative and god fearing woman. So there wont be any second date.
What is this?
Is it a Texas thing or what?
What was she looking for? Validation, free food, and access to my social capital.
What happened? Buyer's remorse. Oh well, one more to the list of lessons.

Lesson * Allegedly God Fearing Women can make out, grab your cock and then act like nuns.
Lesson * Game has changed. A woman can act slutty on first date and then move on without actually sealing the deed of sex.

Post: #2

Meh, chalk it up as her loss. Don't invest more time in her, but hit with the occasional ping here in there. If you're friends on FB, do a Sunday check in at a church to mess with her head. No one woman's idiosyncratic behavior constitutes a "thing."

Post: #3

You are overreacting. Really, you should just next the girl and move on.

She probably was feeling guilty about what she did if she is anything close to an actual "good girl". You can pursue this if you want, you just need to have a more balanced approach.

Post: #4

(05-07-2016 12:05 PM)JuanQuinQuin Wrote:  Lesson * Game has changed. A woman can act slutty on first date and then move on without actually sealing the deed of sex.

Welcome to 2016.

Post: #5

(05-07-2016 12:24 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 12:05 PM)JuanQuinQuin Wrote:  Lesson * Game has changed. A woman can act slutty on first date and then move on without actually sealing the deed of sex.

Welcome to 2016.

This is not a recent development.

Post: #6

(05-07-2016 12:27 PM)Hallasan Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 12:24 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 12:05 PM)JuanQuinQuin Wrote:  Lesson * Game has changed. A woman can act slutty on first date and then move on without actually sealing the deed of sex.

Welcome to 2016.

This is not a recent development.

Well, definitely new to me. A couple of years ago, around 8 years, you go on a first date, and the woman gives a heavy session of kissing and grabbing, and after that, all was good till the sex. Definitely something new to me. I guess, I would have to charge it to the game and move on.

Post: #7

This should be in the newbie subforum.

Post: #8

(05-07-2016 12:36 PM)JuanQuinQuin Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 12:27 PM)Hallasan Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 12:24 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 12:05 PM)JuanQuinQuin Wrote:  Lesson * Game has changed. A woman can act slutty on first date and then move on without actually sealing the deed of sex.

Welcome to 2016.

This is not a recent development.

Well, definitely new to me. A couple of years ago, around 8 years, you go on a first date, and the woman gives a heavy session of kissing and grabbing, and after that, all was good till the sex. Definitely something new to me. I guess, I would have to charge it to the game and move on.

It does depend on the sample size/region/type of girl. Having said that, this behavior is hardwired into the mind of some girls, doesn't matter the time period. Anti-Slut defense after a moment of weakness or vulnerability.

Post: #9

(05-07-2016 12:05 PM)JuanQuinQuin Wrote:  Team,

It's kind of feel like I'm getting into the game again. But the game has changed or what? Went out yesterday with a 7, but a hell of good personality. Everything went out well, and of course the make out session after the date. Today I received a text message stating that I'm not a man of god and she is very conservative and god fearing woman. So there wont be any second date.
What is this?
Is it a Texas thing or what?
What was she looking for? Validation, free food, and access to my social capital.
What happened? Buyer's remorse. Oh well, one more to the list of lessons.

Lesson * Allegedly God Fearing Women can make out, grab your cock and then act like nuns.
Lesson * Game has changed. A woman can act slutty on first date and then move on without actually sealing the deed of sex.

If I've said it once in this forum I've said a 100


Do not make out until you are in bang location.

"and of course the make out session after the date"

That's where you likely went wrong

You want to know what's different today? An attractive girl in her twenties has been making out with "boys" for a decade or more. Makeouts mean nothing to them.

Makeouts mean much more to guys because they are an integral part of our arousal sequence.

We kiss a girl...We get wood

Pretty much automatic

The same doesn't necessarily happen to a chick. It can but not with same certainty

If she's truly conservative she wouldn't be making out on a first date. If you'd had her in your (or her) place you likely could've banged her if your game was more polished



Suggestions? I have 4

-Read Tuth's recipe for first date bangs

-Apply everything in Tuth's recipe to ANY pre bang date (2nd date, 3rd date, etc) until you bang her

-Post newbie questions in newbie forum

-Play on

Post: #10

(05-07-2016 12:27 PM)Hallasan Wrote:  This is not a recent development.

I'm aware of that.

To the OP: If you do a search on this forum you'll see a lot of posters supporting the idea of the first date bang or the zero date bang. When I escaped an LTR about three years ago I was in the same boat as you, amazed at how the dating landscape had changed. I don't mind waiting a few dates, getting to know her a little, before jumping into bed. Unfortunately women have forced our hand on this issue.

You have also discovered how women love to liberate themselves of all autonomy and agency after the fact. She's basically implying she had no say in all of the cock-grabbing she got up to with you. I love it when women try to pull that on me, especially when the image of them riding me reverse cowgirl style is still fresh in my memory.

Post: #11

(05-07-2016 12:57 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 12:27 PM)Hallasan Wrote:  This is not a recent development.

I'm aware of that.

To the OP: If you do a search on this forum you'll see a lot of posters supporting the idea of the first date bang or the zero date bang. When I escaped an LTR about three years ago I was in the same boat as you, amazed at how the dating landscape had changed. I don't mind waiting a few dates, getting to know her a little, before jumping into bed. Unfortunately women have forced our hand on this issue.

You have also discovered how women love to liberate themselves of all autonomy and agency after the fact. She's basically implying she had no say in all of the cock-grabbing she got up to with you. I love it when women try to pull that on me, especially when the image of them riding me cowgirl style is still fresh in my memory.

I have read this new development in the forum a couple of times but the issue for me is this. I do not mind chasing to the bone and pushing fast for the bang on the first date. In my mind I picture what type of woman I'm going on with and act accordingly. But some times, I just like to take my time before adding sex into the equation, no later than the 3rd date, which usually creates some level of emotions on the women and me that I may want or not want with a particular woman. But Oh well, I think that old school philosophy is gone. Too bad, because dating crazy is messed up and could lead towards a path of destruction. Ahh, I just realized that my old school philosophy did not really work on my last LTR. Nothing is safe any more.

Post: #12

(05-07-2016 12:57 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  I don't mind waiting a few dates, getting to know her a little, before jumping into bed. Unfortunately women have forced our hand on this issue.

Me neither, as long as I don't invest anything substantial (dinners, events, etc) until I get the bang.

Post: #13

Escalating without logistics for the bang will always be a dangerous gamble. For my part I make this gamble fairly often, simply because my own logistics are poor (for the moment.) At the very least, I NEVER make a date that's not within striking distance of her crib.

In my experience, I'd say escalation without sex and then hoping she'll come back to bang on round 2 works about 25% of the time. At MOST. And that's also assuming that everything else is perfect and you ran airtight game up to that point, which I'm pretty sure almost never happens for me.

You'll find that girls figure they can do just about anything short of sex on a first date and then if they don't show up again it "didn't count." I've made out with girls, sucked their tits, felt their asses, fingered them, and even got BJ's in my car, but because I couldn't close due to poor logistics, I never heard from most of them again.

If you're back into the game for the first time in a while, get used to it. It's up to you how you want to play it if closing looks like it's not on the table, either pull way back on the escalation and hope for a round 2 in a better position, or go for the make out and boob sucking and be satisfied with that and expect that it will be then time to next.

But without the bang, the day 2 will always be a huge gamble. Don't expect these days that some random girl is going to be so impressed with your looks, charm, or game that she's going to be falling all over herself to come back. That's ego - murdering you.

Post: #14

(05-07-2016 01:17 PM)JuanQuinQuin Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 12:57 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 12:27 PM)Hallasan Wrote:  This is not a recent development.

I'm aware of that.

To the OP: If you do a search on this forum you'll see a lot of posters supporting the idea of the first date bang or the zero date bang. When I escaped an LTR about three years ago I was in the same boat as you, amazed at how the dating landscape had changed. I don't mind waiting a few dates, getting to know her a little, before jumping into bed. Unfortunately women have forced our hand on this issue.

You have also discovered how women love to liberate themselves of all autonomy and agency after the fact. She's basically implying she had no say in all of the cock-grabbing she got up to with you. I love it when women try to pull that on me, especially when the image of them riding me cowgirl style is still fresh in my memory.

I have read this new development in the forum a couple of times but the issue for me is this. I do not mind chasing to the bone and pushing fast for the bang on the first date. In my mind I picture what type of woman I'm going on with and act accordingly. But some times, I just like to take my time before adding sex into the equation, no later than the 3rd date, which usually creates some level of emotions on the women and me that I may want or not want with a particular woman. But Oh well, I think that old school philosophy is gone. Too bad, because dating crazy is messed up and could lead towards a path of destruction. Ahh, I just realized that my old school philosophy did not really work on my last LTR. Nothing is safe any more.

I've always subscribed to the idea that evaluating whether a girl is LTR material (or not) early is a mistake.

"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius". Arnaud Amalric 13th century

Loosely translated that became



In my approach when it comes to women it's always been;

"Fuck them all first then sort them out"-PapayaTapper

Bang em,

Bang em gain

Rinse and repeat

Do that enough...voila'...an LTR happened

Post: #15

^ excellent advice. It's bang, then sort, not sort then bang. The latter philosophiy will cause you to lose lays (and girls who might be LTR material as well) consistently, always, guaranteed.

I've had girls run almost the EXACT line of BS on me, OP, so don't feel bad. I live in godless New England, so the words were a little different - "I felt upset you didn't get to know me better before all that" a day after she was slobbering my face and grabbing my cock. But it was the same script. Hamster - engage!

Post: #16

If you escalate, but no bang: Hamster says, "Whew! I almost messed up there, but I didn't."

If you bang first date: Hamster says, "I did it, so it must have been for the right reasons, I can rationalize this."

Post: #17

(05-07-2016 12:37 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  This should be in the newbie subforum.

It should just be a bump in the throwing shit on girl thread. Same exact concept.

Post: #18

We call it a "hamster" for a reason - there's no rhyme or reason to it. Women act purely off their emotions. They have no master plan, and a lot of their communication is based on their ovulation cycle.

I'd respond the next day along the lines of "I bet" or "pffft"

Don't listen to what they say, that's actually entirely irrelevant. It's all about how they feel.

Post: #19

This is what happened:

Post: #20

Great advice from all.

Let's talk hail Mary.

For all intents and purposes, the bang is not going to happen. So why not have some fun.

Here is what i might text

- who's this? New SIM card/phone

If she responds, then

- omg, don't be so dramatic. You always like this? Who am I kidding, it's so cute

Then she'll insist on that she is a good girl.

From there, you emphasize how everything is natural and normal like Allah intended.

Change topic again, then push got the meet up.

Then her through a physical date sequence. Bowling, pool,, miniature golf....anything that's physical.

From there, top notch escalation where you
- set the pace
- get her on the same page
- maybe even boyfriend destroy Muhammad, lol

The prophet said for every step you take towards Allah, he takes two steps towards you.

Instead you take two steps towards her, then one step back.

In general, if you want better game, don't burn chicks. Experiment and see if you can recover. But only 10% energy.

WIA