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This Teenager Can’t Get A Bank Account Because They Don’t Identify As Male Or Female
Keith Farnish and his 17-year-old non-binary child Kaelin told BuzzFeed News what it’s like when you can’t open a bank account or apply to university without ticking the male or female box. “That isn’t equality.”



Here is the full article, so you won't have to give hits to Buzzfeed

Quote:The father of a 17-year-old student is campaigning to change Britain’s banks because he cannot find one that will give his child, who identifies as genderqueer and non-binary, an account – because all the online application forms require customers to be either male or female.
Keith Farnish, 45, told BuzzFeed News that he and Kaelin, who live in a small village in the Scottish Borders, have gone to bank after bank in a quest to find just one that will allow them to join up without having to tick one of two gender boxes.
“When you’re filling something in and you don’t identify as male or female and you only see those two boxes then you don’t see yourself there,” said Farnish. “You are absent. That must hurt, and that’s what makes me angry. There’s no reason for it. It doesn’t need to be like this.”
Their attempts to open an account came during a wider mission to reconcile all official documents relating to Kaelin – who uses the pronouns “they”, “their”, and “them” – that exposed another barrier for anyone who doesn’t identify as male or female: You cannot apply to university unless you tick one or the other.
But it was their battle with banks that prompted the Farnishes to speak out. Kaelin needed a new account because their existing one used the female name they were given at birth, which has since been changed by deed poll – and, said Kaelin, in order that that they could pay the deposit for their university accommodation in September. They first approached the Co-operative Bank – widely seen as a progressive alternative and the bank their dad has been with for years.
“The online form said male or female,” said Farnish, “and had all the standard titles” – i.e. Mr, Mrs, Miss etc. Many non-binary and transgender people prefer the title Mx instead, as it doesn’t denote a gender, but this was not an option, he said. Initially, Kaelin took action.

“I phoned them up,” Kaelin told BuzzFeed News. “And the guy said, ‘We’ll get back in touch with you within two weeks, because someone else has complained about this as well. But I got nothing back from them.” Then Kaelin’s father intervened.
“I made a formal complaint,” said Farnish. “I got a letter back from the Co-op and the essence of it was, ‘We’re going to have to spend money [changing this] so we’re not going to.’”
Disappointed, they abandoned the Co-op, hoping to find success elsewhere. While Kaelin was at school, Farnish looked up First Direct online, found the same problem, and then phoned the bank, asking if it would allow Kaelin to register without registering as male or female.
“The person I spoke to was like, ‘We could look into it.’ And I said, ‘Well, what’s the position now?’ [And they replied,] ‘We can’t do that at the moment, but if you want you could do something over the phone where you have to put male or female initially and then afterwards we can take it off. But you can’t do it online.’”
Farnish said: “A lot of people will try to sign up and yes, they too could go into branches and perhaps do some kind of fudge and work it out somehow, but that’s not how it should work. That is not equality.”
And so Farnish set about looking for alternatives, hoping that with so much choice in personal banking there must be one that did not discriminate against non-binary people. He searched through seven more online bank account application forms.
“Barclays,” he said. “HSBC. Santander. Halifax. TSB. And Lloyds. Every single one requires gender to be male or female. Why are they collecting this information at all? Why is gender important? There are other ways of identifying people.”
Only the Royal Bank of Scotland, which was holding Kaelin’s old account, would allow an application without gender. But, said Farnish, even then the bank does not allow for Mx as a title, and they will still have to go into the branch to change the name.
“It’s another reminder,” said Kaelin. “A reminder that you’re different. But I don’t think I’m particularly different to other people – I just don’t fit male or female, I drift somewhere in the middle. So going on to the websites and seeing that, it’s disheartening. Even people who haven’t grasped the concept of non-binary or haven’t met anyone who’s non-binary will know that transgender people exist.”
Not being able to find a bank account might not seem on its own like a crucial issue, said Kaelin’s father, but is indicative of a world that demands a strict divide down gender lines, making life, in countless everyday ways, difficult for anyone who falls between those lines.
“It’s not life and death,” he said. “But, actually, embracing your identity and being comfortable in that identity? In many cases it is.”
The timing was particularly unfortunate. Kaelin came out to their family and friends in March last year and after changing their name wanted to ensure that every official file had their new name and reflected their correct gender identity.
“It was a new start,” said Kaelin. “Like, I’m going to leave the old me behind and everything’s going to be fine. But then it just hit a brick wall at the first hurdle.”
There have been other walls for Kaelin. In particular, when applying to university through UCAS (the University and Colleges Admissions Service), which runs the application system for higher education.
“You have to pick male or female,” said Kaelin about what happens when you sign up. “I complained to my school, who got in touch with them, and I’ve emailed a couple of times.” But, they said, it didn’t work.

“Kaelin ended up ticking the male box, because if you want to go to university you have to say you’re male or female,” said Farnish, who stepped in again, contacting UCAS in a bid to help his child. But this time he came armed with something else.
“I ripped the code off [the UCAS website], I rewrote it – it took me a minute to do another box. I then tweeted it back to them and said, ‘This is what it can look like.’ No response.” Farnish said he also discussed the situation with UCAS, but, “They basically said, ‘We’re not going to do it, because it’s too difficult.’” The UCAS online application does now allow for Mx as a title, but still asks applicants to check the male or female box.
For Farnish, attempting to overcome these obstacles for the sake of Kaelin is his duty as a father.
“I’m a parent that cares,” he said. “As far as I’m concerned whatever my child does, I will support them, and something as fundamental as their identity – it’s who they are – how can I deny that? How can I not want to defend that to the hilt? I would like Kaelin to be seen as a person and not be judged for who they are.” There are wider implications, too, he said.
“People are people. It shouldn’t matter who you’re attracted to, it shouldn’t matter what the contents of your pants are, none of this should make any difference. Gender is more than just what’s between your legs. We have to take the whole person into account.”
Farnish admitted that for him and Kaelin’s mother, there was an adjustment process when their child came out last year – learning, for example, to use “they” rather than “she”.
“It takes a while to get your head round, but actually none of this is a big deal, or should be a big deal,” he said. “It’s a steep learning curve for parents to see your child, someone you’ve always known, as a particular identity and to see that – as far as you’re concerned – changed. But as far as the trans person is concerned, they’re simply being who they always were.”
Kaelin, to whom BuzzFeed News spoke separately, echoed this.

“It took a couple of months for them to come to terms with everything,” said Kaelin. “It was like a whole new thing they hadn’t experienced before, so it was a bit of a shock – but I came out originally as bisexual when I was 12 or 13, so they’ve known I was a bit queer for quite a while! And they’ve been wonderful. It’s a shame some people don’t receive the same amount of support.”
Kaelin remains optimistic, however, as despite their experiences with banks and UCAS, some organisations have responded well to requests to change personal details.
“I’ve managed to change my name at my GP. They still use my biological sex – that’s understandable from a medical point of view – but my title has been changed from Miss to Mx. And I’ve talked to my GP about my gender and she’s like, ‘Yeah, cool.’ That was good.”
Kaelin has also found people at school to be “generally supportive”, although “most people don’t use the correct pronouns for me. But hey, we’re getting there.”
And as Kaelin grapples with the reactions of other people and the responses of institutions, they are keen to point out the positives elsewhere to being out as non-binary.
“I’ll meet someone and talk to them and notice I’ve completely messed with what they thought the whole of society was based on,” said Kaelin. “I had a 10-year-old come up and say, ‘Are you a boy or a girl?’ And I said, ‘I’m neither.’ And his jaw dropped to the floor and was like, ‘What? You can be that?’ Also I’ve had people come up and say they don’t feel comfortable identifying as something, or they’re wanting to change pronouns, and being able to give that support is cool. It’s not all sadness and confusion.”
Kaelin’s dad will continue fighting on their behalf until the world accepts his child as he does. Farnish said he wants “a complete sea change” in the way banks and other organisations operate. “I would hate to be in their situation,” he said. “Maybe in a few years’ time it will be a lot easier. I would like Kaelin to be just be seen as a person and not be judged for who they are.” He stopped for a moment to consider what judging others means, and when it is justified.
“There is no cause for judgment unless you’ve committed a crime.”
A spokesperson for the Co-operative Bank told BuzzFeed News: “Regrettably, due to system restrictions we aren’t yet able use MX titles when opening customer accounts but we can amend their title on debit cards and other correspondence on request once the account is set up.”
Ben Jordan, senior policy executive at UCAS, said: “We already offer the gender neutral ‘Mx’ as a Title option and this is just the starting point for us. UCAS is currently re-developing its Apply service, and as part of this, we will be adding further options for answering the ‘Gender’ selection question, beyond ‘male’ and ‘female’.”
First Direct told BuzzFeed News: “We work hard to promote gender diversity right across the bank, and are currently working on plans to include other gender options in our application processes in the near future.”

NO BANK ACCOUNT FOR YOU !!!!

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Reminded me of when I wanted to buy tickets to an Avicii concert in Kobenhavn 4 years ago and these were the options....

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Fuck I knew this bitch was British as soon as I read the headline. This country does have as many freaks as Canada or Australia. These news articles that I can only assume is from Dailymail annoy me when they pose for their sad pictures. I don't get why the bitch is smirking. Oh wait she's thinking kerching when she tries to sue the bank. Hopefully the courts will tell her to piss off.

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(05-03-2016 12:34 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  Reminded me of when I wanted to buy tickets to an Avicii concert in Kobenhavn 4 years ago and these were the options....

If that's your phone number, remove the picture.

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1. You look like a female, nice try.
2. Your father failed as a parent.
3. The only thing MX stands for is Motorcross
4. One little checked box rules your life, sad !
5. You either have a dick or a vagina, science bitch ! (In the rare case both)
6. Will you even do anything with your life to make money ? Besides victim Olympics ?

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Goodness, what kind of faggot is that "father"? He is totally supporting his daughter's mental illness. In a sane society, the teen would have been taken away from him, and both placed in mental institutions.

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(05-03-2016 12:39 PM)Ethan Hunt Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 12:34 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  Reminded me of when I wanted to buy tickets to an Avicii concert in Kobenhavn 4 years ago and these were the options....

If that's your phone number, remove the picture.

I no longer live in Denmark or have that number, so that's fine.

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Do they have to make everything so dramatic? Just pick a box! It's a standardized form. Standardized for the 99% of people who are normal. This is tyranny of the minority. They're not special and not everything is significant.

Bunch of losers. I hope to see a day when idiots like this no longer have a soapbox.

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This girl could be decent looking if she grew out her hair and started acting normal. Sad.

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The look in the father's eyes is one of total defeat. His wife is probably a landwhale.

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TL,DR

Freak wants the rest of society to accept their bizarre version of reality.

Parent gets upset when normal people take no notice.

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I admit I only got half way through. The story was silly. From what I gather one bank was okay with it but they could not process the request online. If it was over the phone or in person it would be okay. Likely they simply just need a place holder in the system and to verify ones intensity and would just put a note on the persons file.

This is very simple stuff. I don't agree with this girls choices and I find her father a suspect cuck. But they are moaning and being idiots. Go walk into a bank and figure shit out. Banks have no issues not stealing peoples money. Your not that special. They really don't care about you... They will take your money though.

Let her get a rude awakening if she is ever in the hospital and needs drugs. The Medics don't have "non-binary" dosages. You never hear these losers talk about "equality" when it comes to healthcare. When they are sick all that dress-up bullshit goes out the window.

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Quote:Keith Farnish is an environmental writer, philosopher, and activist. He founded The Earth Blog in 2006, and writes The Unsuitablog. He is also a guest author on The Sietch Blog. Keith lives in Essex, England, with his wife and children.

Surprise !

Quote:This is not an environmental book, even though it is concerned with the environment, nor is it a book to save the world, even though the world is clearly in trouble. Ultimately, Time's Up! is a book about survival and about ensuring that every individual human has the means to save herself or himself from the global crisis that is unfolding. People know that the climate is changing, species are being removed from the Earth at a rapidly increasing rate, and entire ecosystems are becoming shadows of their former richness; they know, but they do not understand.

to save herself or himself from the global crisis

to save herself or himself from the global crisis

to save herself or himself from the global crisis

His daughter is going to be PISSED.

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You guys are mean and assholes! This beautiful gir...uhh...gu..uhh...thing is deserving of our respect and love! I AM GOING TO MARRY IT! It will be Mx Atlanta Man and you shitlords will be alone, in your mother's basement while I am with it-in happy, non binary, and genderqueer bliss!

It lives matter!

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Non binary does this mean she can't make computations in binary code?

I can't keep up with all this pointless jargon

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(05-03-2016 01:08 PM)Oz. Wrote:  Non binary does this mean she can't make computations in binary code?

I can't keep up with all this pointless jargon

It means she's a special snowflake and should be treated as such and you should bow before her because she needs MORE attention than you'll ever need.

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(05-03-2016 01:07 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  You guys are mean and assholes! This beautiful gir...uhh...gu..uhh...thing is deserving of our respect and love! I AM GOING TO MARRY IT! It will be Mx Atlanta Man and you shitlords will be alone, in your mother's basement while I am with it-in happy, non binary, and genderqueer bliss!

It lives matter!

Actually the preferred pronouns are them, they and their.

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(05-03-2016 01:05 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote:Keith Farnish is an environmental writer, philosopher, and activist. He founded The Earth Blog in 2006, and writes The Unsuitablog. He is also a guest author on The Sietch Blog. Keith lives in Essex, England, with his wife and children.

Surprise !

Quote:This is not an environmental book, even though it is concerned with the environment, nor is it a book to save the world, even though the world is clearly in trouble. Ultimately, Time's Up! is a book about survival and about ensuring that every individual human has the means to save herself or himself from the global crisis that is unfolding. People know that the climate is changing, species are being removed from the Earth at a rapidly increasing rate, and entire ecosystems are becoming shadows of their former richness; they know, but they do not understand.

to save herself or himself from the global crisis

to save herself or himself from the global crisis

to save herself or himself from the global crisis

His daughter is going to be PISSED.

How could he make money with writing like this, it reads like something a primary school kid has written.

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*Can't* tick the Male/Female box?

Really you can't make that small of a concession to get a bank account?

Like your need to show everyone else how much of a unique special snowflake you are outweighs your need to earn and save money.

Well if this thing is non-binary then I guess it won't be having any children then.

And evolution continues.

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I get trannies. Scientifically it makes sense that they exist. Essentially it's a male who was born with the brain of a female or vice versa. Their wires are crossed just like a gay guy's sexual attraction wires are crossed. If a person feels like they were born in the wrong body their whole lives so badly that they're willing to spend thousands of dollars and mutilate their genitals, even when they had a completely normal upbringing, then it seems to me like they truly have this condition and I have compassion for them.

This brand new gender queer nonsense, on the other hand, is nothing but attention whoring. It's completely the fault of this utter faggot of a dad for fucking up his daughter, whether he is the one who brainwashed her with this joke of an ideology (which seems likely from that snippet of his writing), or he allowed this to happen under his watch. Either way, fuck him, and the girl needs to learn she can feel however she wants and do whatever she wants without hurting others, but society is not gonna cater to her "needs".

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I would love to hear a recording of the phone call when GI Jane over here calls up the bank to apply over the phone:

Rep: Hello, Essex Credit Union this is Janet how may I help you today?
Dyke: Hi I'm trying to open an account online but having trouble, could I do it over the phone?
Rep: Sure dear, can I get a name?
Dyke: Kaelin Farnish
Rep: Okay let me just fill a couple things out here... new account... female-
Dyke: Wait I'm not female!
Rep: Oh I'm so sorry! I'll just change that to male my apologies.
Dyke: I'm not male either!
Rep: ...
Dyke: Can you just put in 'genderfluid transqueer otherkin'?
Rep: Suuuure absolutely.
*checks female*

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(05-03-2016 02:21 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  I get trannies. Scientifically it makes sense that they exist. Essentially it's a male who was born with the brain of a female or vice versa. Their wires are crossed just like a gay guy's sexual attraction wires are crossed. If a person feels like they were born in the wrong body their whole lives so badly that they're willing to spend thousands of dollars and mutilate their genitals, even when they had a completely normal upbringing, then it seems to me like they truly have this condition and I have compassion for them.

Read some of the many accounts in the following website:
http://www.sexchangeregret.com/

It is extremely common for post-op trannies to come to the realisation that they were simply gay. By that time, it's too late since the operation is kinda irreversible. It's one of the reasons that suicide post-op is several times higher than pre-op. These guys are mentally ill and need help. They don't need to be enabled or encouraged to chop off their dicks.

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That's a girl? I thought it was just a 17 year old little faggot.

G

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(05-03-2016 02:32 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  That's a girl? I thought it was just a 17 year old little faggot.

G

Nah, I'm pretty sure that the father is way older than 17.