Post: #51

Quote:So he bails out on his wife and newborn kid, for the sake of humanity? What a guy...

It seems to me that you're missing the point. It's analogous to someone quoting Matthew 10:35 and concluding therefore that Christianity is an "anti-family religion".

Post: #52

(05-13-2016 09:32 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Quote:So he bails out on his wife and newborn kid, for the sake of humanity? What a guy...

It seems to me that you're missing the point. It's analogous to someone quoting Matthew 10:35 and concluding therefore that Christianity is an "anti-family religion".

This doesn't sound like dispassionate point missing. It sounds like a bad experience with flakey spiritual people, like maybe an itinerant, Buddhist hippie mom or something.

Post: #53

Quote:Happiness is found by living in the now, particularly if the now involves having sex, according to a major study into mental wellbeing.

But the study also found that people spend nearly half their time (46.7%) thinking about something other than what they are actually doing.

The benefits of living in the moment are extolled by many philosophical and religious traditions, but until now there has been scant scientific evidence to support the advice.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010...nt-happier

https://www.ted.com/talks/matt_killingsw...anguage=en

Post: #54

(05-05-2016 01:33 PM)Atheistani Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:56 PM)911 Wrote:  Right, just like people just got bored with the patriarchy and its monopoly and wanted to bring in fresh ideas. Yes of course, people were sooo narrow-minded back then, thank G.. uh I mean vishnu for progress.

Are you familiar with the works of Gustave Le Bon, Edward Bernays, Walter Lippmann, Ivy Lee, or the influence of the Frankfurt School, the Tavistock Institute and the constellation of sister foundations?

Social engineering is a science that has been so brilliantly fine-tuned that people are made to eagerly embrace toxic and subversive change as progress. It's one of the driving mechanisms of cultural marxism.

You want to undermine a country or a culture, you go after its religion, its national character, its traditions (particularly traditional gender roles).

Patriarchy i believe was destroyed BECAUSE of Christianity. Prior to Christian Europe, most western states had their ancestral Indo European religions/cultures. Each had their customs, histories and traditions all going back to a common root some thousands of years ago.

But these were traditions where the religous beliefs and rituals intermingled and changed along with the culture. There was no culture and religion distinction. The religion was the culture. The concept of Belief was not so important.

These religions did not proselytise hence could not compete with Christianity when it emerged as strongly proselytising state religion. Christianity has a strong sense of dualism that is quite divisive. It managed to remain extremely powerfil for a long time. However, as Europe managed to pull itself out of the dark ages through periods of scientific and cultural progress, the status of Christianity weakened. Pre Christian ideas resurfaced through periods like the Renessaince and Enlightenment. There was no going back.

Christianity had destroyed pre Christian Indo European religion, which was patriarchal and non-conflicting with Science. Science destroyed Christianity. Ergo we are left with a spiritual and cultural vacuum. People dont have a culture or value system that can hold up to comtemporary knowlwdge and morality, with historical integrity. Christianity destroyed the real European traditions that could.

Buddhism is a purely Indo Europeam religion, and for that reason alone should be studied. This would be a step towards getting back to our Indo European original culture and spirituality.

Dont make the mistake of conflating Western and Christian Values. The two are conflicting at the highest level of Politics, Culture and Art. Where Europe reaches great heights, it is by inspiration from the decidely un-Christian (Renessaince, Enlightenment,Science etc)

Nonsense.

"Indo-European" is pretty much a technical taxonomy term for linguists and anthropologists. The idea that Sri Lanka or Calcutta are in any way culturally similar to Milan or Vienna is totally preposterous. Those are places where locals believe that cows are holy and other weird religious notions like reincarnation which are completely foreign to western traditions, and yes, those notions do conflict with scientific thought, far more than Christianity.

Christianity was imported from the middle east and settled in Europe over 16 centuries ago. Catholicism shaped Western and Southern Europe, and vice versa, it is an entirely organic spiritual manifestation of western culture. Nothing exemplifies traditional western architecture more than great cathedrals like Notre Dame or Cologne.

Likewise, Orthodox Christianity is an organic spiritual force which has shaped and preserved the best in Slavic and Hellenic cultures. We don't really want to go back 2000 years to worshipping the sun and performing pagan sacrifices, we want to restore the values of our grandparents, which were distorted and subverted.

"Enlightenment", which brought about revolutions in France and elsewhere, has a strong masonic component and is a very strong cultural and political force working mostly behind the scenes to undermine Christianity and traditional values in Europe and N. America. It is behind the destruction of Russia with the Bolsheviks and the destruction of Catholic monarchies and nations like the Austro-Hungarian empire, which defended western values for a thousand years.

It is a continuous process that is still ravaging the West with cultural marxism. The import of eastern spirituality, which started out in the late 19th century then intensified in the 1960s (often paired with a very destructive drug culture) has been a full part of this process, pushing individualism and cutting off family members from their traditional faiths and families.

Quote:This would be a step towards getting back to our Indo European original culture and spirituality.

I take it you're more "Indo" than European? If you're not European, or of European descent, you can't pretend you are, so you shouldn't speak about European spirituality as being a part of your ethno-cultural heritage.

Post: #55

http://vilnews.com/2011-04-incredible-in...elations-2

Quote:Since the 19th century, when the similarity between Lithuanian and Sanskrit was discovered, Lithuanians have taken a particular pride in their mother tongue as the oldest living Indo-European language. To this day, to some Lithuanians their understanding of their nationality is based on their linguistic identity. It is no surprise then that they proudly quote the French linguist Antoine Meillet, who said, that anyone who wanted to hear old Indo-European should go and listen to a Lithuanian farmer. The 19th century maxim - the older the language the better - is still alive in Lithuania.

It is a common belief that there is a close similarity between the Lithuanian and Sanskrit languages; Lithuanian being the European language grammatically closest to Sanskrit. It is not difficult to imagine the surprise of the scholarly world when they learned that even in their time somewhere on the Nemunas River lived a people who spoke a language as archaic in many of its forms as Sanskrit itself. Although it was not exactly true that a professor of Sanskrit could talk to Lithuanian farmers in their language, coincidences between these two languages are truly amazing, for example:

SON: Sanskrit sunus - Lithuanian sunus

SHEEP: Sanskrit avis - Lithuanian avis

SOLE: Sanskrit padas - Lithuanian padas

MAN: Sanskrit viras - Lithuanian vyras

SMOKE: Sanskrit dhumas - Lithuanian dumas

These Lithuanian words have not changed their forms for the last five thousand years.

Post: #56

(05-14-2016 12:03 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 09:32 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Quote:So he bails out on his wife and newborn kid, for the sake of humanity? What a guy...

It seems to me that you're missing the point. It's analogous to someone quoting Matthew 10:35 and concluding therefore that Christianity is an "anti-family religion".

This doesn't sound like dispassionate point missing. It sounds like a bad experience with flakey spiritual people, like maybe an itinerant, Buddhist hippie mom or something.

It describes a lot of people from where I'm from, near and far, and from a lot of other places. Most religious cults in California and elsewhere in the West have their roots in eastern religions. Buddhism works in parts of Asia where it developed as an organic part of their culture (and that is totally cool in my book), but there is something really awkward and artificial about western buddhism. As well, there is no doubt that it's been used to undermine Christianity.





http://henrymakow.com/2014/11/tibetan-bu...acket.html

Post: #57

(05-14-2016 03:16 PM)911 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 01:33 PM)Atheistani Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:56 PM)911 Wrote:  Right, just like people just got bored with the patriarchy and its monopoly and wanted to bring in fresh ideas. Yes of course, people were sooo narrow-minded back then, thank G.. uh I mean vishnu for progress.

Are you familiar with the works of Gustave Le Bon, Edward Bernays, Walter Lippmann, Ivy Lee, or the influence of the Frankfurt School, the Tavistock Institute and the constellation of sister foundations?

Social engineering is a science that has been so brilliantly fine-tuned that people are made to eagerly embrace toxic and subversive change as progress. It's one of the driving mechanisms of cultural marxism.

You want to undermine a country or a culture, you go after its religion, its national character, its traditions (particularly traditional gender roles).

Patriarchy i believe was destroyed BECAUSE of Christianity. Prior to Christian Europe, most western states had their ancestral Indo European religions/cultures. Each had their customs, histories and traditions all going back to a common root some thousands of years ago.

But these were traditions where the religous beliefs and rituals intermingled and changed along with the culture. There was no culture and religion distinction. The religion was the culture. The concept of Belief was not so important.

These religions did not proselytise hence could not compete with Christianity when it emerged as strongly proselytising state religion. Christianity has a strong sense of dualism that is quite divisive. It managed to remain extremely powerfil for a long time. However, as Europe managed to pull itself out of the dark ages through periods of scientific and cultural progress, the status of Christianity weakened. Pre Christian ideas resurfaced through periods like the Renessaince and Enlightenment. There was no going back.

Christianity had destroyed pre Christian Indo European religion, which was patriarchal and non-conflicting with Science. Science destroyed Christianity. Ergo we are left with a spiritual and cultural vacuum. People dont have a culture or value system that can hold up to comtemporary knowlwdge and morality, with historical integrity. Christianity destroyed the real European traditions that could.

Buddhism is a purely Indo Europeam religion, and for that reason alone should be studied. This would be a step towards getting back to our Indo European original culture and spirituality.

Dont make the mistake of conflating Western and Christian Values. The two are conflicting at the highest level of Politics, Culture and Art. Where Europe reaches great heights, it is by inspiration from the decidely un-Christian (Renessaince, Enlightenment,Science etc)

Nonsense.

"Indo-European" is pretty much a technical taxonomy term for linguists and anthropologists. The idea that Sri Lanka or Calcutta are in any way culturally similar to Milan or Vienna is totally preposterous. Those are places where locals believe that cows are holy and other weird religious notions like reincarnation which are completely foreign to western traditions, and yes, those notions do conflict with scientific thought, far more than Christianity.

Christianity was imported from the middle east and settled in Europe over 16 centuries ago. Catholicism shaped Western and Southern Europe, and vice versa, it is an entirely organic spiritual manifestation of western culture. Nothing exemplifies traditional western architecture more than great cathedrals like Notre Dame or Cologne.

Likewise, Orthodox Christianity is an organic spiritual force which has shaped and preserved the best in Slavic and Hellenic cultures. We don't really want to go back 2000 years to worshipping the sun and performing pagan sacrifices, we want to restore the values of our grandparents, which were distorted and subverted.

"Enlightenment", which brought about revolutions in France and elsewhere, has a strong masonic component and is a very strong cultural and political force working mostly behind the scenes to undermine Christianity and traditional values in Europe and N. America. It is behind the destruction of Russia with the Bolsheviks and the destruction of Catholic monarchies and nations like the Austro-Hungarian empire, which defended western values for a thousand years.

It is a continuous process that is still ravaging the West with cultural marxism. The import of eastern spirituality, which started out in the late 19th century then intensified in the 1960s (often paired with a very destructive drug culture) has been a full part of this process, pushing individualism and cutting off family members from their traditional faiths and families.

Quote:This would be a step towards getting back to our Indo European original culture and spirituality.

I take it you're more "Indo" than European? If you're not European, or of European descent, you can't pretend you are, so you shouldn't speak about European spirituality as being a part of your ethno-cultural heritage.

I think you are missing the point here.

Indo-European religion, and Indo-European language groups are real.

What he is trying to say, is that discoveries in 19th century about roots of oldest Indo-European civilizations lead people to find interest in eastern religions which they believed resemble more the "original" religious spirit of Europeans.

It has nothing to do with GDP or skin color.

Organic component of all ancient European religions is pretty much lost. It wasn't a religion of prophecy. There is no nordic holly book, or slavic pagan holly book. It was a tradition that was shared from parents to children, a folklore.

Hence, genuine European proto-religion being lost definitely, people gained interest into what was written in Buddhist or Hindu tradition, and all of other movements, sects and denominations they spawned

Post: #58

(05-13-2016 06:07 AM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  I have sent out a response via PM to about 15 people to include TravelerKai, if I missed someone that wants it, send me a PM and I will send it to you.

I would also re-iterate scrambled´s point that a large part of it is about mastery of the mind over the body.

NASA,

No one asked you to send out a bunch of PMs to people. I asked you to please address this publicly on the forum, because the whole forum needs to see your answer.

You still did not answer my questions or Suit's questions, so I am going to give you one more chance to do so. Where in China did you do this and what year did you do this.

You are making an extraordinary claim sir. You are the one who brought it up in the first place. No one went into your closet and started grabbing things and demanded you explain the purple boas and stockings. You brought this up and the way things work here is that if you bother to bring something up you better be willing to defend your claims. Anyone claiming to have 10 threesomes each night in a 2 week period in any country has to be willing to explain how, when, where, etc. The Buddhist thread is not an exception. Hiding behind PMs and making threats to the people in those PMs because you think they are calling you out is juvenile and sophmorish. You do not scare me nor do you scare anyone else.

I am patient enough. Go out to your sea trip but when you come back on shore, you answer the questions and do not dance around the subject with another non-answer. None of us fell off the turnip truck last week. We are not children here. This is an elite grown man's forum and you picked the wrong place to look down upon anyone here.

Failure to provide this very simple request and I will lay out everything for the others to see and make their own conclusions. I am not going on a wild goose chase on some homework assignment you created for me to perform. Give us the answer we asked you for to begin with.

Post: #59

(05-15-2016 06:23 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  NASA,

No one asked you to send out a bunch of PMs to people. I asked you to please address this publicly on the forum, because the whole forum needs to see your answer.

You still did not answer my questions or Suit's questions, so I am going to give you one more chance to do so. Where in China did you do this and what year did you do this.

You are making an extraordinary claim sir. You are the one who brought it up in the first place. No one went into your closet and started grabbing things and demanded you explain the purple boas and stockings. You brought this up and the way things work here is that if you bother to bring something up you better be willing to defend your claims. Anyone claiming to have 10 threesomes each night in a 2 week period in any country has to be willing to explain how, when, where, etc. The Buddhist thread is not an exception. Hiding behind PMs and making threats to the people in those PMs because you think they are calling you out is juvenile and sophmorish. You do not scare me nor do you scare anyone else.

I am patient enough. Go out to your sea trip but when you come back on shore, you answer the questions and do not dance around the subject with another non-answer. None of us fell off the turnip truck last week. We are not children here. This is an elite grown man's forum and you picked the wrong place to look down upon anyone here.

Failure to provide this very simple request and I will lay out everything for the others to see and make their own conclusions. I am not going on a wild goose chase on some homework assignment you created for me to perform. Give us the answer we asked you for to begin with.

I want to clarify that while TravelerKai's words are his own, he is not speaking purely as an individual. His post expresses the thoughts of others on this forum.

The general thinking of those I have talked to is that as much as we would love for the world's most interesting man to turn out to be genuine, we are also not in a hurry to be duped.

Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence.

This forum is an incredible resource for men because of the high standards imposed upon the membership. One such standard is that you must back up your claims.

This ensures that the information here is of the highest quality and isn't sullied by anything potentially unreliable.

If you aren't willing to back up your claims with reliable information, better not to make the claims in the first place, even if true. Because there's really no way to tell the difference between an honest man who won't back up extra-ordinary claims and a con man who can't back up extra-ordinary claims.

Without these standards, the like of Dash Global would be free to wreak havoc on this community.

Also, vague threats of "not being afraid to draw blood" aren't going to endear anyone to the established membership here.

No one here is on a witch hunt. We just want this forum to be the absolute best that it can be.

Post: #60

Take a moment to think of the gravity of the information that NTP is revealing and under what circumstances he would have access to that information.

I've had the opportunity to work on cutting edge technologies and have had very privileged information shared with me as a result of my assignments. Privileged information is generally only shared on a need to know basis, but sometimes people will bend the rules and make suggestions, generally using language with "I can neither confirm nor deny that ___" or "If I were to look, I'd start with ___". It's a rare opportunity to gain wisdom and not the best time to take it for granted.

There are serious consequences to making certain privileged information known, particularly on a public forum. I respect the guys here, but there's some information I would never share with anyone, not even my close friends or family under any circumstances.

You're asking NTP to put himself at personal (legal, potentially mortal) risk to win an argument on the internet. Not long ago a poster was encouraging behavior that would leave another poster vulnerable to entrapment. This is petty behavior guys. This is not the kind of behavior that I'd expect of a community of men that has each other's backs. At some point there's more at stake than being the most alpha internet personality.

Post: #61

故用兵之法，無恃其不來，恃吾有以待之；無恃其不攻，恃吾有所不可攻也。
計利以聽，乃為之勢，以佐其外；勢者，因利而制權也。

@TravelerKai
I went through your points and addressed them. I gave you more specific information including years. I addressed Suits question in a second PM to him and that should not concern you and you are increasingly making this personal. Posting even part of the information that I gave you would not be wise on my part and it is regretful that you cannot see that.

It is good that other people can see what I wrote to you and they can make their own mind up.

On a more somber note, it is regretful that people like yourself are not commenting on the basic Buddhist principles that I listed on the Buddhism thread as that was my main message. Sadly, I better understand more that the message can be the medium. My information stands.

You made an attack on my character indirectly and to not expect me to say ¨in the end I am in no way shape or form afraid of drawing blood¨ as you drew first blood, is cowardice and you deserve a punch (in the face). If someone hits you and you are afraid to hit back then that person deserves what is coming to them, you will find I am not such a person. Furthermore if you hit someone and they hit you back and you complain, then you should not throw punches. I attempted to be gracious and take this off-forum as it is better to praise in public and criticize in private, as well a provide a light touch on privileged formation that your actions have not earned. Your action now will not serve the forum. Bring down the rain.

By the way this English response is for the Forum primarily and you secondarily, the other is for you as I assume you are fluent and we shall see your level of wisdom.

--------------

@Suits
If you would send me an e-mail at the address I gave and tell me what you consider reliable information, as you received the 3 page PM as well. If others have concerns (as they received the same PM) they can write to me as well. In fact, a handful have. Huey was an exception as he does not have a PM or E-mail listed and I could not send it to him.

I appreciate your words, sincerely, but to link me with someone (Dash Global, whoever that may be) is also an indirect attack trying to implicate me as being like someone else who appears to have a negative connotation. In my opinion this act and TravelerKai´s tacts are taking a ¨you are guilty of the points I made (your points are different TravelerKai) and you need to prove yourself innocent¨ slant. Perhaps that is not your intent, but when you land a blow (publically) and that is not your intent, it is still a blow and you should expect the same in return. I think that I have been moderate; posterity can judge me.

There is no endearing on certain thing Suits, once a line is crossed.
故將有五危：必死可殺，必生可虜，忿速可侮，廉潔可辱，愛民可煩；凡此五危，將之過也，用兵之災也。覆軍殺將，必以五危，不可不察也。

Post: #62

Post: #63

(05-06-2016 04:37 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 11:02 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  I tried Buddhism once and then realized it sucked. I really wanted something better but this just made it suck worse. Then one day I just didn't care about Buddhism any more, walking away saying I don't give a fuck. I finally straightened out and things sucked less.

Can you go into more detail of why it didn't work out for you? How much time did you spend with Buddhism?

I'm just... summarizing Buddhism.

Post: #64

(05-15-2016 10:15 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  There is no endearing on certain thing Suits, once a line is crossed.

Why does this read as a threat to me?
And on top of that, in a thread about Buddhism and your experiences with it. I'm one with little experience with the religion aside from living in countries that were heavily influenced by it and yet that just seems off as well.

Post: #65

(05-16-2016 02:02 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 10:15 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  There is no endearing on certain thing Suits, once a line is crossed.

Why does this read as a threat to me?

Actually, it reads like an empty threat.

Post: #66

Suits talked about endearment with regard to my PM to TravelerKai. He (TravelerKai) has crossed the line for me so there is no endearment toward him (TravelerKai). There is no threat involved. If someone attacks me, the line is crossed and it is time to fight back. This had nothing to do with Suits other than the Dash Global comment, although Suits may be traveling the path of the 5 faults now on to recklessness.

I am telegraphing how I am operating to you guys, in vain and pulling punches.


故用兵之法，無恃其不來，恃吾有以待之；無恃其不攻，恃吾有所不可攻也。
The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable.


計利以聽，乃為之勢，以佐其外；勢者，因利而制權也。
While heading the profit of my counsel, avail yourself also of any helpful circumstances over and beyond the ordinary rules. According as circumstances are favorable, one should modify one's plans.



故將有五危：必死可殺，必生可虜，忿速可侮，廉潔可辱，愛民可煩；凡此五危，將之過也，用兵之災也。覆軍殺將，必以五危，不可不察也。
There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: 1) Recklessness, which leads to destruction; 2) cowardice, which leads to capture; 3) a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; 4) a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; 5) over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble. These are the five besetting sins of a general, ruinous to the conduct of war. When an army is overthrown and its leader slain, the cause will surely be found among these five dangerous faults. Let them be a subject of meditation.

The reader can interpret as he chooses.

Post: #67

Quote:The reader can interpret as he chooses.

Indeed we do.

Either you back up your claims (not just limited to the ones in this thread but in others as well) with some sort of proof (and please can we stop pretending the men in black will take you away as soon as you mention just a couple things that might help your case, whether in private or in public), or an increasing number of people will stop taking you seriously. Chest pounding with Art of War quotes, veiled threats and condescending "how dare you question me" word salad is not going to impress the skeptics at this point.

The most successful and inspirational people I ever have met in life have all regularly demonstrated humbleness and humility, something you have failed to do so far.

Post: #68

(05-15-2016 07:52 PM)Suits Wrote:  The general thinking of those I have talked to is that as much as we would love for the world's most interesting man to turn out to be genuine, we are also not in a hurry to be duped.

Travesty {from NTP's rep page} Wrote:"This guy may be either the number one inspiration as far as aging with powerful wisdom or some sort of super spy troll sent in from Russia..."

These sentiments seem to sum up both the great wishes and growing concerns of the community. Personally, I recall reading the “NTP Data Sheet” with amazement and truly hope, not just for myself but for the sake of the whole forum, that NTP is the real deal

In any case, I would like to acknowledge TravelerKai in raising some intriguing questions.

One further suggestion that could assist in verifying that NTP is the person who he claims to be, whilst balancing the problem of making certain privileged information public (credit: Thoughtgypsy), would be to facilitate a face-to-face meeting with a trusted RvF member.

Even if an RvF brother with insider military/technological knowledge isn't available to validate some level of occupation-specific detail, achieving a measure of basic in-person verification could help in allaying the concerns of the readership whilst reigniting their enthusiasm.

@ NTP -- would you be willing to meet a vetted RvF member?

Post: #69

I agree with TravelerKai, Suits, cascadecombo, atlant and Artiste.

NASA - you made some pretty amazing claims publically on this thread on 3rd of May, then you totally disappeared off the forum for 9 days after 2 highly regarded members questioned the validity of what you are writing here.

TravelerKai and Suits have both spent years in China and their amazing contributions to the forum reflect their personal experiences there. Added to this they have both met numerous other forum members in person. I myself have met Suits during my own 3rd trip to China and know he is real and what he writes is true. He is a trusted friend of mine and if you threaten him, you are also indirectly threatening me.

On the other hand....no one on this forum has said they met you, NASA.
Also, until now, you have provided no details of personal experiences about your time in China that would ever prove you were ever there. What you write comes across as overtly academic and the information you provide can be found by anyone who does a lot of research on the internet, especially if they have 10 days free time to do so.

Above all, your threats are the most concerning thing here.
We do not act like this on this forum.

Post: #70

(05-15-2016 10:15 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  @Suits
If you would send me an e-mail at the address I gave and tell me what you consider reliable information, as you received the 3 page PM as well. If others have concerns (as they received the same PM) they can write to me as well. In fact, a handful have. Huey was an exception as he does not have a PM or E-mail listed and I could not send it to him.

I would like to remind forum members that if they email NASA at any email address he gives, he will be able to view your sending IP address.

Proceed with caution.

Post: #71

Delete

Post: #72

(05-16-2016 07:02 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 10:15 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  @Suits
If you would send me an e-mail at the address I gave and tell me what you consider reliable information, as you received the 3 page PM as well. If others have concerns (as they received the same PM) they can write to me as well. In fact, a handful have. Huey was an exception as he does not have a PM or E-mail listed and I could not send it to him.

I would like to remind forum members that if they email NASA at any email address he gives, he will be able to view your sending IP address.

Proceed with caution.

Technically he can only see the IP address of the mail server that sent the message over port 25 (usually), in the headers of the email.

Regardless, it is pretty clear to me that Nasa Test Pilot is embellishing this story. He used China in an effort to make himself appear to be more knowledgeable on the subject, probably sensing that no one on the forum was a serious enough practitioner with enough experience to know any better. What he made the mistake of doing was that he forgot that China was called a "Closed Society: and had "Closed Door Policies" for a very good reason during those times.

Here is just a little bit of what I have found or already knew while waiting for him to come clean.

1) Americans were banned from traveling to China until Nov 1972. Even then a visit length of 1 year is not possible.

2) The US and China did not create liaison offices until 1973. So even if you could do a quick visit that would probably had required US state dept. approval, formal visas came into play after this time.

3) President Jimmy Carter established full diplomatic relations with China in 1979. Now you can get travel visas. Trade restrictions were also lifted as well, so now you can do general business with China. Anyone here on RVF that traveled in China in 2012 or earlier, knows that a typical visa stay is under a year. 30 days to 6 months. Constant renewals were required. 1979 is also very important for other reasons as well, which brings us to point number 4.

4) Zhou En Lai and Mao are both dead by 1979. By 1979 the Cultural Revolution is over. China begins the new Open Door Policy. Long story short they secure the deal with the US to break many ties with Taiwan. They begin reforms and establish formal relations with every other country as well.

5) Back to Buddhism now. Buddhism was not only illegal before 1979, but it was essentially eradicated in China. The official Organization of Buddhists in China claim that they have no artifacts, writings, etc. that survived and consider that period the nightmare time of Buddhism. Revolution volunteers sacked and destroyed every temple in China and burned every book or ancient text that was there. Over 4000 temples were destroyed from what I found.

Everyone with decent China knowledge knows that all temples were sacked during this time, all the practitioners were beaten, tortured, and sent to the fields for re-education and to be a farmer. In China during the revolution, they had these people whose job was to watch and observe anyone not "learning through labor" so to speak. The Red Guard was just the more extreme version of this group, but if anyone was caught not working or not reading Mao's book(s), they would be sent to a camp immediately. All religions were illegal, all Western books were illegal, anything other than communist teachings were illegal.

This cannot be stressed enough. I write this out for people that do not know the history so that they can understand that any Chinese person with an education lived in an intense environment of fear. Religious or academics were persecuted without delay. It was not even possible to be non-Chinese and practice these things in China. Farmers and people loyal to Mao from the old days got the cushy local government official and bureaucratic jobs. All university professors were sent to the rice farms. All religious leaders Daoist or Buddhists, ditto. It was done in a revenge like manner to take all these people down a notch and show them that their knowledge did not mean shit compared to the combined power of people's labor.

No Chinese would risk a prison camp just to teach NASA Test Pilot anything outside of Mao's teachings. Anyone with that kind of knowledge would be too busy working the fields to teach him anything. Unless Zhou En Lai was giving him the lessons himself, it would have been suicide to do so.

6) In 1979 China gave Buddhism a "Tolerance" status. It was still not legal, just tolerated. That is when the remnants of the official group before the revolution reformed the group (The Chinese Buddhist Association). They started from scratch just like how everyone else had to.

In conclusion, the illegality and absence of Buddhism in China prior to 1979, the fact that he could not have stayed one year in China prior to 1979 nor gotten a visa, cannot claim business reasons because you could not trade with China prior to 1979 as well, his refusal to state where he stayed and the dates (which would endanger no one these days), prove that his claims are false and he is misleading the forum.

NASA if I were you, I would read Tuthmosis' thread on trolling to make sure it does not happen again. It is part of the Official Forum Rules and Roosh has a link to it on the Rules Thread. I have posted rule number 13, which is the rule you are breaking.

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Quote:13. Fiction-Writer Troll**
A seemingly competent, normal member of the community whose contributions are just a little too far-fetched. We've all done things and been in situations that stretch the boundaries of plausibility, but Fiction Troll's narratives go just a little further--displaying odd incongruities or elaborate literary devices that, upon close examination, smell obviously fabricated. What's more, they've often compiled little or no credibility on the board (through rep or a long history of posts) for their stories to be actually believable. The dead-giveaways tend to be bragadocious threads that trumpet his "alpha" cred or ultra-polished Dear-Journal threads that read like Skinimax-like voice-overs. The combination of a group of men whose lifestlyes are predicated on continual, impressive conquests--and the ease of stretching the truth behind the anonymity curtain of the Internet--makes small amounts of fish-story trolling almost inevitable. But egregious cases of outright lying, that take away from the mission of the forum, need to be called out.

**Allege with caution.

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Frankly, I'm inclined to think NASA stories are little embellished.

But I have some questions.

Where did you get the travel ban lift date? Newspaper articles put this at March 15, 1971.

It was illegal to Cuba for a long time, as we know people still did it. No one got prosecuted. Could you visit unoffically?

Could you enter China on another countries' passport? Were Europeans in China in 1970s?

What was China's policy towards Americans entering between 71-79?

Was China a pussy paradise in 1970? (most important question)

Post: #74

(05-16-2016 04:30 AM)Artiste Wrote:  @ NTP -- would you be willing to meet a vetted RvF member?

This being my main concern. TravelerKai has put his money where his mouth is and met up with numerous people whom have come through our area of town. I've also had the pleasure of personally talking with him for an extensive amount of a time on and off the forum(on the phone and in real life).

He's not the kind of person who calls someone out without genuine concern or without due reason. He's also a true forum staple and been a contributing member for a very long time.

If NASA would do the same and meet up with someone. Anyone even Roosh like many of the more secretive members have then he adds up in my book.

It's one thing to be a poster whom relegates himself the realm of extreme likelihood like Jariel, but doesn't want to meet up with anyone due to his own concerns. That's fine by me. He mainly gives advice and anyone is free to scrutinize it. If it was bad advice it would have been shot down.

NASA on the other hand has posted some breathtaking and interesting information that even goes beyond just good advice and analysis. He's seen the world and is a renaissance man that has done some great things, allegedly. The forum has every right to be skeptical of that kind of character, and so here we are.

That's just my two cents.

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