Post: #26

The homie Dalaran came up, he's got problems of quality.

Lemme ask about the pink elephant in the room

Why did you want to LTR this chick?

WIA

Post: #27

(04-20-2016 08:51 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  You're not that serious about this sweet LTR of yours if you're looking to throw it all away for a little fresh pussy. The odds of you blowing up your own spot with your girl and your friends seems high. Many a great man have been ruined by some simple pussy. Shouldn't let it have the kind of power over you.

Yep.

This is not about possy. Its about OP and / or the 8 wanting either to destroy the good LTR, or wanting the sick thrill of almoat destroying the LTR, out of spite for it because it's good.

If it wasnt about what I say the post would only be about a hot thing in the next town over you ocasionally find time to ravage, with no other connection to your life. That would be a post about "cheating."

Think hard which one of you or both is what I describe .

Post: #28

(04-21-2016 09:04 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  The homie Dalaran came up, he's got problems of quality.

Lemme ask about the pink elephant in the room

Why did you want to LTR this chick?

WIA

Fuck you WIA, let me sleep peacefully at night!

@Vaun: fucking drama kings, us two

But good thing you guys brought the drama side of the story up. I think this is actually the root. Knowing that now it's much easier to brush this whole affair aside as silly.

For extra giggles and drama I can tell this girl I'm taking my girl on holiday so that date is gonna be postponed indefinitely

Post: #29

Dalaran,

You knew the answer to this before you posted the thread, or you wouldn't have done it.

Your gut is telling you not to do this, so don't.

Post: #30

@Dalaran, lol

@Crash

I think he could pull it off, but it's a gamble with low reward and high risk.

The game lessons here are massive. On one level the smoke show wouldn't be interested unless he pulled his LTR. But if homie tries to get at her, she will have all the cards. There is no downside for the home wrecker.

So the game homework is how to create an upside for our boy?

WIA

Post: #31

If you pass her onto your friend that wants her you kill two birds with one stone

Also if you bring your buddy in and run a train on her then this is unlikely to backfire

Post: #32

If you're concerned about the LTR it would not be a good idea to go on the "date" with the possibility of so much going wrong with respect to "cross talk". It all comes down to this question:

Is it worth it?

Post: #33

(04-21-2016 10:35 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Dalaran, lol

Report WIA for using text speech!

Quote:@Crash

I think he could pull it off, but it's a gamble with low reward and high risk.

The game lessons here are massive. On one level the smoke show wouldn't be interested unless he pulled his LTR. But if homie tries to get at her, she will have all the cards. There is no downside for the home wrecker.

WIA

True, I haven't thought about it that way.

So it seems that bitch is much more cunning and vicious than I originally thought. She enjoys all the drama of wrecking a LTR she is envious of. Interesting bits of info: she often insists on stealing my girlfriend from me, or dancing WITH her. My LTR really hates this girl for this reason.

At this point all the circle jerks are gonna say "pull a fucking threesome you idiot!"

I actually need to be careful. Even if I cancel the date she might still try to use the existing texts to frame me.

Quote:So the game homework is how to create an upside for our boy?

Come on guys, you've got homework to do!

Seriously, if one of you cunning cats is in my shoes, how would you pull this off with maximum upside?

Post: #34

(04-21-2016 05:26 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I actually didn't think it would involve the amount of drama you guys said it would. Maybe I was under the false illusion that I could afford to lose things (friends + LTR). In truth I could, but this is highly undesirable.

Men throwaway so many ungodly things for even the chance of pussy.

Quote:When I dwell more on this, it's funny because I've never really been that into this girl. She's hot but so is my LTR, and considering the whole package it's not really an upgrade per se. Also I'm smack deep in a pussy paradise where 8s are dime a dozen.

Quality game problems recognized.

I'd only drop a chick publicly if I found a better and hotter gal. Exactly, you found your poosy paradise, you can find other 8's that are hotter than this chick you want to fuck AND not run the risk of fucking things up.

I never usually fucked girls in my town, I've always fucked girls online that I made sure had no connection to me. I always did a sweep of my room and bathroom before and after a girl came over.

You made a wise choice, it sucks turning down what seems like easy hot pussy, but bitches ain't shit.

Post: #35

^kaotic is spreading the gospel here.

Your LTR is probably tied to the idea of living happily ever after, until say the end of year two or three. When she realizes that she's not as happy as she thinks she can be.

By being honor bound, this situation will occur over and over again. Next time it will be a rich bisexual 9 who wants to fund your business and hunt chicas with you.

So if you want to keep your croissant and eat it too, you need to figure out how to cheat.

I'd say this smoke show is not the ideal set up.

WIA

Post: #36

(04-21-2016 05:26 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  A bit of this might also be hubris. Sam, I had the exact same thought as you, this girl seems to want to intentionally fuck up my life/LTR. And in my arrogance I'm daring her to do it.

Good of you to recognize this.

Hubris/arrogance, at least in my opinion, are the things as men we need to remove from our beings, or at least control it. Maybe in a moment, it feels so amazing and ego nourishing, but so fucking many stupid decisions have been made because of hubris. I have made enough for a couple of lifetimes.

However, sometimes, even when we know better, we just want to touch the flame. That is the only way we will learn it. I am not saying do this to touch the flame so you learn your lesson. I am saying, I understand that no matter how much wisdom is dropped, you just still want to do it. It is part of being human.

Post: #37

If your game is tight your LTR won't leave you for cheating....she will only leave you if you act like a beta if (or when) she finds out.

It will actually be a good test of your frame control and how far you've come in learning game and being alpha if you can pull this off.

If she doesn't find out...act as you always have.

If she does find out....prepare for the ultimate drama and shit tests...and make sure you pass them like a boss.

Post: #38

(04-22-2016 10:29 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  If your game is tight your LTR won't leave you for cheating....she will only leave you if you act like a beta if (or when) she finds out.

It will actually be a good test of your frame control and how far you've come in learning game and being alpha if you can pull this off.

If she doesn't find out...act as you always have.

If she does find out....prepare for the ultimate drama and shit tests...and make sure you pass them like a boss.

Being "alpha" or acting "beta".

Give me a break, he's basically lighting a stick of dynamite and letting it explode in his face.

This isn't the situation to "test" frame and measure your game.

The bitch he wants to fuck is crazy, and it's within the same social circle.

Can you not see this is a shit storm incoming ?


There is no acting "like a boss" - that's laughable.


The only reason to do this is you intentionally want to fuck up your social circle and your relationship with women.

Sure his LTR's hamster will spin, but you'll never know from there on out if she's being faithful and has a wandering eye. The trust is gone.

It's a lose/lose situation.

Post: #39

(04-22-2016 11:05 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(04-22-2016 10:29 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  If your game is tight your LTR won't leave you for cheating....she will only leave you if you act like a beta if (or when) she finds out.

It will actually be a good test of your frame control and how far you've come in learning game and being alpha if you can pull this off.

If she doesn't find out...act as you always have.

If she does find out....prepare for the ultimate drama and shit tests...and make sure you pass them like a boss.

Being "alpha" or acting "beta".

Give me a break, he's basically lighting a stick of dynamite and letting it explode in his face.

This isn't the situation to "test" frame and measure your game.

The bitch he wants to fuck is crazy, and it's within the same social circle.

Can you not see this is a shit storm incoming ?


There is no acting "like a boss" - that's laughable.


The only reason to do this is you intentionally want to fuck up your social circle and your relationship with women.

Sure his LTR's hamster will spin, but you'll never know from there on out if she's being faithful and has a wandering eye. The trust is gone.

It's a lose/lose situation.

The only reason I would see to refuse a potential bang with a really hot girl when you are in an LTR, is if your LTR girl is potential marriage material.

The fact she was a virgin before OP makes her a definite candidate.
OP will have to clarify if his LTR is (or is not) that important to him in the long term.

Post: #40

(04-22-2016 11:28 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  The only reason I would see to refuse a potential bang with a really hot girl when you are in an LTR, is if your LTR girl is potential marriage material.

The fact she was a virgin before OP makes her a definite candidate.
OP will have to clarify if his LTR is (or is not) that important to him in the long term.

Yeah I've banged plenty of girls when I was in my 2 year LTR.

BUT, I did it on the low, who I didn't have any mutual friends with, didn't run in the same social circles, and didn't know my girl personally.

The girl she wants to fuck is the opposite of all of the above.

Also, I remember talking to Dalaran privately about his LTR, she's a good girl.

Last thing I want to do is jade another decent feminine gal.

(maybe this is my game maturing)

If he's really hell bent on banging this girl, then dump his LTR.

Like Dalaran said, there's plenty of 8's around him over there. Why bother with this hot albeit crazy one ?

Post: #41

Here is a good rule for cheating if you can't tell the girl your name is Bob because she could easily find out it isn't or knows it isn't you are in a bad set up for cheating.

Post: #42

(04-21-2016 10:57 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I actually need to be careful. Even if I cancel the date she might still try to use the existing texts to frame me.

Don't be concerned about that.

You can plow through any complaints from your LTR with a strong frame.

It's actually reinforcing the strength of your relationship. Your LTR will understand you are a guy with options, and you made the choice yourself not to cash them in.

In a culture like France, a certain amount of flirting is part of your everyday interactions. The important thing is to be able to manage it intelligently and figure out what your boundaries are.

That is going to be a reality for both you and her if you are high SMV people.

Post: #43

Why are you trying to keep the meeting with the drama girl a secret? The two of you seem to be close enough in your social circle that you could get away with inviting her over as a friend, as she specifically wants to learn Vietnamese cooking.

After you've done some cooking and possibly banging you could also call your LTR and ask her to come over and taste the food and stay the night. Your LTR probably wouldn't suspect anything as "everything" is done openly. Remember not to have traces of the drama girl in your bed. Do her on the couch.

If the drama girl would rattle on you for cheating there is no proof and all known circumstances (cooking together) is already official.

As an extra precaution you could if you could pull it off record the cheating session and the girl must of course know about it. Only you (not her!) keep the recording and the drama girl has a good reason not to rattle on you because she doesn't want to piss someone off that has that recording.

It sure is possible to get the bang with the drama girl without the LTR finding out if you tread carefully but make sure that you escalate in increments. It would be embarrassing if you out of the blue try to caveman the drama girl to the bedroom and she wouldn't be up for that. Look at it as a fun meeting with the drama girl that potentially could lead to a bang. She is also more likely to bang if you genuinely have fun when meeting and cooking with her.

As for Sunday it might be wise to postpone it as you in the beginning tried to keep it a secret. But suggest the cooking at a later date and keep everything public from the very beginning. And also remind the drama girl about your LTR. That would be a good move for you towards your LTR and might even make the drama girl to want you more.

Post: #44

Interesting thread.

One Q: What was the original thing she did wrong that you forgave and now she is in line?

This: "You know that LTR & I are steady. You like dirty dancing with LTR, Are trying to get to her through me or me through her." (said teasingly in a joking way).. Figure out if to say this on phone or text.. depending on what conversations/ texts have already transpired.

Post: #45

Dalaran: what was the aftermath?

Post: #46

I forgot to update you guys, and thanks for all advice.

Aftermath: I flaked on that hot tease and spent the day with my LTR having crazy sex. I did mention it to my LTR “hey this girl wanted some private cooking lessons with me when you were away”. Add some fiery passion and crazy mateguarding behavior to my LTR, so all good.

Thinking in retrospect it was really a danger and play scenario, and it was entirely for my ego. That girl was extremely hot and sexy in dance, but that’s about it. She has as much personality as a modern art painting. People (including my good buudy) have been trying to get with her for ages to no avail. It was mostly my ego that told me to bang her so I can feel like I swoop the hot girl right under everybody’s nose. Another part of it was the lust for drama, because this girl will let loose hell on my life and everybody’s life for that matter.

I just passed the one year mark with my LTR and contrary to what I had expected, it keeps getting better and better with my LTR. There’s absolutely no point in breaking this off to get a one night action with a girl who is just slightly hotter. MY LTR is a good-hearted, traditional girl who bake cakes and book surprise trips for me, and also has a decent sense of "honor" (if such thing exists with women), she would not tolerate this when she finds out. I know I would not. So no, this is not a healthy way to add drama or "test frame".

Nothing good would come out of it other than some sick sense of satisfaction, and maybe one more notch among many. Sam was right that people who knew better, did stupid things for hubris and pussy that in the end fuck you up.

@Kaotic + WIA: I know that this will not be the last time, and this will occur over and over again, with the current LTR or future ones. However, when I will have to do this again, I would learn to do it properly, and with minimum collateral damage.

Cheers to women, song and wine gentleman.

Post: #47

If you're enjoying it, just keep making her feel like she felt when you first met her.

Cheers,
WIA

Post: #48

(07-11-2016 08:13 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  If you're enjoying it, just keep making her feel like she felt when you first met her.

Cheers,
WIA

Thanks man, I know that the game that got her = the game that keeps her.

But then what about the second motto in game? "Wolen crave change/drama/adventure" and we need to provide them with emotional stimuli.

If she always feel like she felt when we first met, even if that means always feeling awesome, how does that not get old/boring?

Not to mention the fact that the human brain emotionally adjust, so what made her ecstatic before - emotionally - would not necessarily work in the future.

Hell this might deserve its own thread.

Post: #49

Drama is hard on a man's soul, adventure is not. All you need for adventure is imagination and then planning.

You basically need to keep putting her into new situations. This is where all that blue pill creative dating stuff comes into play.

Like we're seeing in that other post, a lot of this depends on how into her you still are.

WIA

Post: #50

(07-11-2016 11:25 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Drama is hard on a man's soul, adventure is not. All you need for adventure is imagination and then planning.

You basically need to keep putting her into new situations. This is where all that blue pill creative dating stuff comes into play.

Like we're seeing in that other post, a lot of this depends on how into her you still are.

WIA