Post: #26

(04-14-2016 09:07 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  I was attending an event where people I know would be, and I was bringing a cool chick that I was happy to bang in the past, who has really nice knockers. But, she's really a 5.5-6 depending on your tastes. Not on the same level as the previous girl. So, my thoughts immediately went to how my buds were used to seeing me with something closer to a dimepiece, and I thought in my mind that I had to explicitly tell them (before the event when she wasn't around) that I wasn't interested in her.

How pathetic is that?

Fear of judgment is a powerful force.

I feel that once a man can break free of worrying about what his peers think, only at that point will he be his way to reaching the pinnacle of manhood.

Post: #27

I banged for 3 months a below average girl, fat, ugly glasses, bad fashion, spots on the face. Interestingly it made the other girls more interested in me, and made the other guys more interested (in her). Learned a lot from that experience.

She was not the prettiest girl on the planet (and still is not, although it's getting better), but she did have massive tits and I had some of the best lays with her. As a bonus, she also liked to suck my dick dry. And she was cool as well.

Sometimes I look back and I think to myself "What the hell was I doing?" Then I tell to my self that I would do it again.

Now, if you ask me if I would bang a below average girl, I would say no (but at the time being, I'm satisfied in an LTR).
However I will "never say I will not drink from this water".

Post: #28

If I have the option of jerking it or fucking a chick I'm going with option two. This has landed me with some truly grotesque creatures, but charge it to the game. Jack Daniel's is your friend when it comes to banging less than desirable chicks.

Post: #29

I banged a girl who was a 5. I was college at the time and it was the meet and sex kind of thing. I did get free meals from the caf for an entire semester though.

It was for sure worth it.

Post: #30

Dunno, it really depends on the character of a girl and her values. The lowest I've swung was a 5 with no morals. That night, she was far more willing than any other girl at a party I had attended off campus. I was talking up a cute girl, a solid 7 or 8, but she wasn't willing to go home with me that night and at the time I wasn't willing to put in the time to day game her or get to know her. Anyway, yeah, I went home with the 5 who came from a broken background and a liberal family. I did, however, take her out to breakfast the next morning, a place where students from my college never visited.

Post: #31

Everyone who fucks lots of chicks has dove into the dumpster. Sometimes a lot. Anyone who says that they haven't is lying. To you and to themselves. Like the joke goes "riding a fat chick is like riding a moped; fun to ride until your friends see you"

Post: #32

(04-14-2016 09:07 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  This thread made me think a bit, about my attitude, my confidence, and its reflection on my self-worth.

Recently, I was dating a girl that turned heads in every room she walked into. But, the sex was mediocre, no matter what I tried. We just didn't vibe that way, amongst other things. But, tight ass body.

I was attending an event where people I know would be, and I was bringing a cool chick that I was happy to bang in the past, who has really nice knockers. But, she's really a 5.5-6 depending on your tastes. Not on the same level as the previous girl. So, my thoughts immediately went to how my buds were used to seeing me with something closer to a dimepiece, and I thought in my mind that I had to explicitly tell them (before the event when she wasn't around) that I wasn't interested in her.

How pathetic is that?

My self worth tied up into the chicks I'm seen with? I mean, she put some effort into her appearance and actually ended up looking pretty good. Felt like a dick for feeling like I had to explain myself beforehand.

On another occasion, I was meeting up with an EE elementary teacher girl that looked like a 7 when I met her. In the daylight, I could tell she was more like a 6, but had fantastic, wonderful, blossoming, EE chest pillows. Happened to run into my popular, athlete acquaintance, and I wanted to say hi. Mid way through the convo, I realized that I felt like I was with a girl beneath me, and didn't introduce her. We got out of there, she gave me the best blowjob I've had in a couple of years, and I never went for a follow up. Even ran into her a couple of times. Seemed to have hurt her a bit.

So, I've long tied a lot of my self worth into who I was banging. I think that's why I ended up sticking with the hot chick (although, who wouldn't if they were hitting that) for so long, even though it wasn't all that great. Because people saw me with her, and immediately wanted to talk to me, or thought I was more interesting. Or, my perception was that way.

We all like to make fun of the celebs that are banging way below what they could pull from the average groupie. And, some are truly sub-par specimens that don't even come close to the barely bangable 5. But, ultimately, it's a trap to tie your self worth to the attractiveness of the girls you bang.

Sure, if you're tagging feminine, beautiful, young hotties all day every day, you're probably some hot shit, but too much of a negative attitude towards what you're actually sticking your dick in is poison.

And it'll eat you up.

Don't let it.

Post: #33

How low I've gone depended on what phase of life I was in at the time:

Pre-Red Pill

I just cared if she had a pulse, was over 18, and was the slightest bit attractive. The main criteria was that I got along with the woman on some basic level.

New to Red Pill

With more bangs and of higher quality, I become more and more picky as my SMV goes up (better clothes, better vibe, better game, etc). I start to see that most American chicks having zero LTR value. Banging another barely pleasant/interesting/sane/feminine/fun 3-6 doesn't really excite me any more given the potential liabilities and lack of genuine satisfaction a strict bang provides; these woman have no value beyond getting a nut. It's takes a few intense mini-LTRs for this to really sink in.

Furthermore, I start to see social proof having real value in its self when I do activities with hot chicks and other hot chicks open me. It's quite clear now that the women you associate with are representative of your value in certain ways; both to men and women. And what happens if I knock up a sub-par chick by accident? Everyone will know for forever that I bang sub-par women. Anti-social proof for life. I start to back off from rawdogging sub-par women.

Can still get it up for sub-par chicks but becomes more difficult with time. "Is this the best I can do?" after every sub-par bang I think. I start realizing and accepting that no amount of game can overcome a shit environment however. You can make the best of it but it's A LOT more work for MUCH LOWER quality. I start figuring out plans to be able to travel/live overseas and be somewhere where the playing field is far more level and enjoyable.

Seasoned Red Pill

Only interested in woman with feminine/pleasant personalities; anything below a physical 6 pretty much doesn't register any more. I laugh at any woman over 26 who makes any attempt to shit test, play games, or act like getting into a LTR with her is doing me a favor. I know my international value and rather go months without sex in the US and maintain my standards vs dumpster diving and live with all the risk and disappointment that comes with it. In the US, it's go big or stay home. I much rather save my money and energy for overseas and if stuck in the US, focus strictly on high value/high quality women. I'm oddly content with not getting laid.

Post: #34

Ugliest rat i ever stuck my buddy nicknamed the sabre tooth muskrat, she was freshly 18, senior in highschool and ugly as sin.. We still joke about it years later she was probably 90 pounds with tiny tits it was like fucking a little witch. Smiling right now just thinking about.

I flipped her over and hit doggy within the first thirty seconds of sex (snuck in the window of her dads house ) i smoked a joint with her beforehand and could not stop laughing. Within five minutes of nutting i told her i had a girlfriend and couldnt be doing that. This made her obsess over me, whats disgusting is i hit it again a few times. When i cut things off she blew up my phone and my buddies phone trying to track me for months. The muskrat would have layed her life down for me, was so ugly that with a condom on i could not nut for over an hour of just thrashing it.

Fucking ugly girls is all fun and games until you have to take them out in public and they try to slobber on you. Fucking hogs though is a whole nother ballgame and not my idea of fun. You have to have a real heavy mentality to sport fuck a legit fat bitch. Only a few dudes i know have the cavalier attitude and may i say heart to skewer a hog.

Post: #35

(04-15-2016 07:45 PM)LongDongSilver Wrote:  Ugliest rat i ever stuck my buddy nicknamed the sabre tooth muskrat, she was freshly 18, senior in highschool and ugly as sin.. We still joke about it years later she was probably 90 pounds with tiny tits it was like fucking a little witch. Smiling right now just thinking about.

Some of the less attractive, thin, 18-22 year olds have a tight, hidden body underneath their frumpy clothes. There's a special place in my heart for them.

They're often just glad to have you around. I laugh when I tease them a bit, not too overtly, and then pounce on them. I've derailed their dinner plans with their orbiters and had them stay the night so I could fuck them again in the morning. "It's too late to drive you home now, I'll take you in the morning".

They're so gracious, thankful, yet guilty, all at the same time. Sometimes they'll let you totally dominate them, finger their bum (or more), and thank you because you're a good lay and you're not truly abusive. Easy to pick up, have them wrap their legs around you, and fuck them silly while you're holding them there in the air. Sometimes you can even get them turned around. I guess that's why we call 'em spinners.

Coat 'em with your seed and watch them walk out the door without a shower for extra kicks. Just don't try thinking about it too hard.

Post: #36

I think it's contextual. To me, there are three occasions it's acceptable to grab for the low-hanging fruit: One, when you're first starting out in game. Two, when you've just gotten out of a long-term relationship. Three, when you've already established yourself as a player but you've run into a dry spell or had your harem collapse. In these situations, a man's got to do what a man's got to do.

It's of the utmost importance for a guy to lose his virginity as soon as humanly possible. It doesn't really matter what she looks like, the key is to bust that first nut so you'll no longer possess the fear of the (sexual) unknown. I could be wrong but I suspect the reason a lot of guys who aren't "naturals" haven't had more success is because they held too high of standards in women for their level of inexperience. In other words, a girl in the upper echelon of female beauty wants to be led through an exciting sexual experience not have to "teach" a guy what to do. A girl on a lower rung of attractiveness will likely be more accepting of your fumbled attempts at seduction. Once you know what you're doing, you'll automatically be more at ease at interacting with girls you find attractive because sex has been somewhat demystified.

I'm a big believer in the phrase, "the quickest way to get over someone is to get on someone else". If you've been in a long-term relationship, it's important not to have your ex's pussy be the last pussy on your dick for long. This is another time it's completely permissible to fight below your weight class. The sooner you have the stink of another girl on you, the better.

Last but not least, as you become a more seasoned player in the game, you'll still occasional hit some road blocks along the way. Maybe you were on a roll but now your luck has taken a turn for the worse and you're in the midst of a dry spell. If you have to bang a "5" to get the ball rolling again, so be it. Usually, once you've gotten to a certain point, you won't have to settle for the low-hanging fruit anymore. You won't even really need them for a sexual confidence boost since there is still benefit for the male psyche in turning women down, too (it doesn't matter what they look like). You'll find you're able to pull girls with relative ease that you once would've struggled to seduce.

Post: #37

(04-15-2016 04:10 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  Everyone who fucks lots of chicks has dove into the dumpster. Sometimes a lot. Anyone who says that they haven't is lying. To you and to themselves. Like the joke goes "riding a fat chick is like riding a moped; fun to ride until your friends see you"

If you haven't banged a slump buster then you haven't really lived life.

Post: #38

We all like to make fun of the celebs that are banging way below what they could pull from the average groupie. And, some are truly sub-par specimens that don't even come close to the barely bangable 5. But, ultimately, it's a trap to tie your self worth to the attractiveness of the girls you bang.

"Sure, if you're tagging feminine, beautiful, young hotties all day every day, you're probably some hot shit, but too much of a negative attitude towards what you're actually sticking your dick in is poison.

And it'll eat you up.

Don't let it."

Well said! When I was younger, I went through a stage where I would only get with "8s" and "9s". This had the effect of giving me a scarcity mentality, and God most of those girls were bitchy and cold in bed. I am currently with a woman who is half my age, with a super cute smile and an amazing attitude/ personality. Most guys would consider her about a 6 and I could easily pull an 8. I could care less. I really like her and that's all that matters.

There is a whole thread on this forum about wife hunting abroad. While I agree there are much better places in the world for women than the Anglosphere, I would caution guys about going after "8"s and "9"s anywhere. No matter where they are from, "8s" and "9s" were given the false belief at a young age that their value comes from their superficial and temporary looks. Over time these women learn to use their looks to get what they want.

A woman who you find personally attractive but is not considered super hot by the mainstream is probably going to be a better bet for most guys for a long term relationship. They will actually work for your affection. In my experience "8s" and "9s" and most "7s" (in the USA) expect you to do all the work for their affection.

At this point in my life I literally have 0 will or desire to give anything beyond an orgasm to a woman based solely on her looks. If a woman gives to me however my heart opens up and in the case of my current girlfriend, I would literally jump in front of a train to save her life.

Post: #39

(04-15-2016 07:45 PM)LongDongSilver Wrote:  Ugliest rat i ever stuck my buddy nicknamed the sabre tooth muskrat, she was freshly 18, senior in highschool and ugly as sin.. We still joke about it years later she was probably 90 pounds with tiny tits it was like fucking a little witch. Smiling right now just thinking about.

The muskrat would have layed her life down for me, was so ugly that with a condom on i could not nut for over an hour of just thrashing it.
Fucking ugly girls is all fun and games until you have to take them out in public and they try to slobber on you. Fucking hogs though is a whole nother ballgame and not my idea of fun. You have to have a real heavy mentality to sport fuck a legit fat bitch. Only a few dudes i know have the cavalier attitude and may i say heart to skewer a hog.

Your post and name sir:

Post: #40

The test is how you feel once you ejaculate. If you feel awful then you know you went way below your standard.

I do it from time to time, but I know what to except and also I don't count it as a notch

Post: #41

The question is not how low, the question is do you possess the constitution to go as low as necessary...

Post: #42

I'm not going to lie and say I only bang hotties.

But lately, my average quality has gone way up. I'll bang 3 cute girls I'm satisfied with quality-wise, but the next one will be an average one just because it's a lay-up.

But never, never, do I go for low-hanging fruit. If you're repulsed beside her then it's doing a disservice to your self-confidence in my opinion if you try to bang her.

The one time (ok, I admit it was twice) that I banged an objective '5' I seriously regretted it afterwards. That feeling is horrible.

But in the long-run I don't regret it because it's taught me more about standards.

Post: #43

(04-17-2016 06:20 PM)Malo Wrote:  The test is how you feel once you ejaculate. If you feel awful then you know you went way below your standard.

I do it from time to time, but I know what to except and also I don't count it as a notch

Great point.

Nascimento, you essentially agree with malo.

I recently got propped by a 5-6 who I was super forward with. She said she was drinking when she asked me to come over and bang her now and is sorta trying to normalize the messaging, given that we haven't met.

It seems less and less worth it, but I keep pushing the envelope seeing how much of "you gonna deepthroat me"? she takes ...

Post: #44

Yeah. It's a great point - how you feel after your nut lets you know how well your choice was.

A girl will only ever bang a guy that at the moment she sees as higher value than her. A man's choices on the other hand are a bit more fickle.

Post: #45

(04-14-2016 11:45 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I chatted with a girl that I pretty much never would approach in real life but because she immediately talked sex, it was somewhat interesting --- truly no dance.

I did a 4. I'm not proud of it, but I did enjoy it.

I had flown out to Wyoming to be the best man in my friends wedding. After the wedding I left with my friends sister. Sitting in her car she says to me, "what do you wanna do?." I say, "I don't know. What do you wanna do?." She said, "I wanna sit on you." And I said ok. So we did it there in the car.

http://www.reddit.com/r/reactiongifs/com...t_find_my/

My friend didn't care at all. We got deployed to Afghanistan after that. About once a week, I would randomly say to him, "dude...I fucked your sister". And then I would die laughing. It still makes me laugh.

Post: #46

(04-15-2016 07:45 PM)LongDongSilver Wrote:  Ugliest rat i ever stuck my buddy nicknamed the sabre tooth muskrat, she was freshly 18, senior in highschool and ugly as sin.. We still joke about it years later she was probably 90 pounds with tiny tits it was like fucking a little witch.

Your whole post was hilarious but this took the price!

Picturing her something like this...

Post: #47

(04-14-2016 02:42 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I've stuck my dick in chicks cause I needed a release but felt bad about it in the morning. Worse when the girl is sweet.

WIA

Worst is when its a sweet and nice girl, and she somehow just knows that she's never going to see you again