Post: #1

What are your thoughts on dating or sleeping with older women?

Though I've done it before it makes me uncomfortable for a few reasons:

1. It's non-traditional; in the vast majority of cultures prior to the modern era men dated younger women, sometimes younger by decades or more, therefore it feels like a reversal of gender roles, and something that the feminist movement would favor just for the sake of "female empowerment"

(The feministic Joan Jett "I love Rock N Roll" song about a cougar picking up some young stud at a bar comes to mind here).

2. If a guy is primarily or exclusively into older women then it makes me think he may have mommy issues and want a woman who 'controls him' or wears the pants in relationships.

(This is also why I don't like the stories I hear about female teachers fucking their students - if I had a son I'd want him learning to use game and pick up girls his own age, rather than be seduced by some domineering female authority figure).

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On the flip side, here are some possible advantages I see to being with women who are older than you:

1. Older women in general seem less likely to sleep around and more "mature"; and while some guys here are completely against dating single moms, single moms are less likely to want to sleep around with a bunch of guys or play silly games since they have other commitments in their life; a lot of em don't get out of the house too much and are more appreciative of an alpha who shows interest in him, as opposed to bratty millennials

(Plus as long as a guy stands his ground and refuses to become an income sponge for her kids just to get laid, then he shouldn't have too much to worry about).

2. A lot of older women I see have more feminine charm than millennial girls; while this varies I see far more millennial girls acting spoiled, foul mannered, and snotty than I do women in their 30s-40s.

Post: #2

I love Rock and Roll is about a 24 year old chick picking up a 17 year old. Not exactly cougar territory.

The possible advantages you list have not been true in my experience. Older women still fuck around as much (if not more) than younger women - they're just better about doing it on the DL. A slim 20 year old who takes care of herself is inherently more feminine than any woman in her 30s. Period.

Post: #3

I spent the last year of my life find ways to efficiently locate and date younger women. I'm not going back to fucking 35 year old cat ladies.

Post: #4

How old? 30 year old women can still be extremely bangable. 35 is a rougher territory, 40, almost all of them are WNB.

Paging Cattle Rustler

Would still rather bang younger girls in their 20s

Post: #5

As a 34 year old currently banging a 21 year old...

Older women are easier when it comes to sex. Zero drama. They fuck, suck dick, do anal, you name it. They're painfully aware that they're washed up. You can add one to your book with very little investment. They're also extremely insecure and will often shit test you with "I'm too old for you...". The oldest I've ever gone is 36. Last one was 29. Both broke up with me because they were "expecting more."

Younger women are more difficult, particularly when it comes to sex, but they invigorate the soul. They are also impressed by the dumbest shit. A good restaurant, a sporting event, a Caribbean vacation - all of this is brand new to her. You'll feel like the man when she's slobbing your knob because of those hockey tickets or beach front view. The downside is the constant shit tests and her unlimited options for cock. Young girls are fun, and they keep me feeling young. Just do not expect any sort of meaningful relationship or commitment.

All in all, I prefer younger women, but banging them requires solid game and red pill knowledge.

If you're looking for an LTR, 28 - 30 is the sweet spot. Do not try and wife up a girl under 28.

Post: #6

The object would seem to be to find and fuck the hottest, youngest legal piece of ass you can find. But there are other considerations as well. Personally, I'd rather bang a chick in her 30s/40s who's kept herself in great shape than a 20-something fatty. However, if I had the choice between an attractive 30/40-something or a hot girl in her 20s, I'd choose the younger of the two. It's situational.

A perk of older women (ones who are pushing the wall/post wall age) is they're often so appreciative to have a virile young stud at their disposal, they'll be a lot easier to get into bed and will even buy you shit (probably with alimony/child support checks from their ex-husbands). Maybe some guys aren't comfortable with that idea for fear of being seen as a "kept man" but the way I see it, women have benefited financially from men for so long, we'd be foolish not to take advantage of a woman willing to pay for us when such an opportunity presents itself.

Post: #7

As someone who has banged quite a few older women in the past, I will say the following:

1. In nearly every case where I banged a older woman, I felt a slight sense of disappointment with myself afterwards for a multitude of reasons. I don't find older women to be any better in bed with any consistency nor any more fun.

2. Older woman have no LTR potential or even FWB outside hang out potential due to the social awkwardness and negative social proofing it will cause.

3. You also think to yourself: "this is a woman I could bang no problem a decade from now. Why am I wasting time and not chasing younger tail? Many men would KILL to be in my shoes right now."

4. There is always this back of the mind thought that you are not getting this chick in her prime. Once you see a photo of her from her younger years, it's game over. That image will be seared into your mind forever.

5. Almost all older women I have banged have this just below the surface real sadness about them. They know they are at the end or post-wall and really have no value to the vast majority of men now. Beyond looks, there is no real sense of wonder or adventure with them like you could get with a early 20s chick.

Don't get me wrong: The occasional MILF bang can be hot; especially if you are new to game and/or have some underlying MILF fetish stemming from watching too much Milf Hunter on YouPorn. That all said, once you realize how low value older women are, it becomes pretty much impossible to get into the idea of banging an older chick unless it falls into your lap. And even then, it's very difficult to get motivated. I've got an older chick right now who has been begging for my dick for weeks but I just can't get motivated to hit it unless it's VERY convenient for me. She is fit and attractive for her age and we get along well but I refuse to put in any effort for leftovers and non-prime pussy. Blue pill me would be moving mountains to fuck her. Today? I just don't care. What value does this chick really bring aside from an easy nut?

It still takes time and energy to bang an older chick and that time and energy could be spent better elsewhere. Rarely is the juice worth the squeeze with an older chick.

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Post: #9

The issue with older chicks is that despite often looking good from a distance, when you get really close to them you start to see all the physical effects of ageing.

Unless you've watched this woman grow older and have the love a long term partner has for his wife, these imperfections are disgusting and immediate boner killers.

That's the problem with older women.

Post: #10

Bang? Yes.

Date? No.

My dick does not care about how old a girl is, as long as she can get me up. However, I would not consider a woman past her late 20's for any kind of serious/semi-serious relationship.

If I'm going to invest my time, effort, and resources into a woman, I want her to be youthful, able to safely and healthily bear children, and not be too washed up and jaded from over a decade of dating and banging other men.

Post: #11

(04-10-2016 12:37 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Bang? Yes.

Date? No.

My dick does not care about how old a girl is, as long as she can get me up. However, I would not consider a woman past her late 20's for any kind of serious/semi-serious relationship.

If I'm going to invest my time, effort, and resources into a woman, I want her to be youthful, able to safely and healthily bear children, and not be too washed up and jaded from over a decade of dating and banging other men.

This has been my experience...

21 - 25: Just wants to bang. Enjoys the fact that I'm still young but have money to do fun things, a good job, etc. Also appreciates that I'm not writing her odes about my undying love and affection, and seem to want to keep things casual. They're getting hit up at every angle, and they're confused about whether they want to fuck the bartender or the lawyer. Then they realize they can do both with little ramification. I like being seen around town with them. Horrible conversationalists, and I have to dumb down my text messaging. Most of their texts are "lol ur funny.." Society has told these girls that they can be total whores with no consequences, and eventually some good looking rich guy will scoop them up.

26 - 30: Starts out saying they're cool with my casual attitude, but gets hooked on the lifestyle. Big house, dinners, trips, etc. Drops hints like "Where is this going? You can't be serious about never wanting to settle down. Are you really just a big man child?" Still hot enough to be seen around town with, but they start throwing serious girlfriend vibes - particularly public displays of affection. Sex is practically thrown at you after a few months of dating. You're that good looking rich guy who is going to scoop them up. They know the biological clock is ticking fast, and their family is pushing them to "settle down."

30 - 36: Is either divorced or has never been married for a reason. Anthropomorphizes their dog or cat. Struggles with depression issues. Sex is thrown at you. They know that the good looking rich guy is never going to come, and you're simply here for sex and conversation. At this point they would settle for almost any beta willing to commit and risk a geriatric pregnancy.

36-40+: Have never attempted this, nor will I.

I'd say all in all, your efforts are best spent chasing after younger girls. If you're looking for a real LTR, I'd go 25 - 28.

I have no interest in an LTR at the moment, so I'm perfectly content having a few girls who I bang and hang out with.

I got into dating and game into age 30, and now at age 34, I'm pulling way hotter girls. The young ones have no problem dating us older guys provided you're good looking.

Post: #12

My relationship with older women is complicated. I'm an equal opportunity employer, and as long as they get my dick hard that's all that matters. If you're legitimately turned on by her then why rationalise yourself out of feeling that way? I've banged many older women (the first time I was 27 and she was 47). I do find them to be wilder in bed, and they all really go for my look (I'm reasonably clean-cut, and "classically handsome").

But to echo other sentiments on this thread, you can't wife them up or enter into any LTR with them because of the negative social proof - and no matter how in shape they may be now, they were even hotter 10-20 years ago when they would have rejected you in favour of the scumbag ex-husband they're going to whine at you about in a neverending loop.

One positive though is that there are a lot of older women who are just out of a long marriage where the man was their one and only boyfriend. You're getting them very starry-eyed and sexually adventurous. And as a side note, the tightest chick I've ever fucked was 44.

But, yeah: use 'em for bangs, but only ever get serious with the twentysomethings

Post: #13

MILF Porn has made this a lot more popular, but guys have always fantasized about older women.

By "dating" - taking bitches out, going with them to events - that's a non-starter. When a chick is in a "dating" frame of mind - she's not in the "sucking your dick wearing a powder puff girl costume".

Dating is just a no no for all girls at all times. You save traditional dating for a chick you've fucked 6 ways to Sunday, and there's something about her that makes you still want to hang out after your balls are drained, even when you have other bitches to fuck.

Now fucking, when it comes to married chicks/cougars/milfs/older chicks - they're still women, game still works. If you come out the gate asking by messaging her about what lube she keeps in her nightstand drawer - of course she's gonna bitch up on you. There's a difference between direct and vulgar, I don't think players nowadays are big into nuance and subtlety.

But an older chick should know the "dance" by now. As in, this well put together charming guy is flirting with me, and he definitely wants sex...which is cool as long as I have a good time.

Keeping everything on the hush, playing the right frame, staying consistent, giving her what she needs sexually, keeping her from getting emotional about you, and then making sure she knows how to secure some square dude - that is how you bang them.

In terms of reward, coming at a chick 35+ with the right frame of mind, I've found the sex to be easier, and hotter - because older bitches are less afraid. Not that you can't find a young girl that's just the same.

That being said, if she doesn't take care of herself, physically and mentally, it's a lot worse than fucking some 22 year old with typical young girl issues.

And her ability to rope you into some shit, is so much better than the awkward attempts of young girls.

Personally, I wouldn't start banging in this age range until you have a good foundation of young chicks (18-23) and marrying age chicks (24-26).

As the timeline stretches the closer they are to prime, the more likely they'll try to convert you. That's why you need solid internals to handle that.

WIA