Post: #701

"disenfranchised' what rubbish. A lot of the muslims in the U.K and France come from strong communities, wealthy backgrounds or are enrolled in better than average universities in the West.

Post: #702

(04-02-2016 04:44 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  "disenfranchised' what rubbish. A lot of the muslims in the U.K and France come from strong communities, wealthy backgrounds or are enrolled in better than average universities in the West.

That's just not true.

Most of the UK's Muslims are Pakistani peasants.

Post: #703

CrashBangWallop has it right, but of course the problem is that these Pakistani peasants are coddled too much, not too little.

If they were firmly and clearly assured that they can either fit into UK's culture, work hard and do their best or they'll need to GTFO, 90% of the problems would vanish instantly.

Post: #704

This is a large part of the problem in the UK. The majority of the Pakistani community here are from the lowest classes, as are most of the Somalians. We have problems here from all of our lowest classes, from white British to Afro-Caribbean (and even SE Asians such as Vietnamese, although this tends to be less visible). The other side of the problem is that the state has treated them all like a spoiled child.

I do believe that diversity can work when immigration comes from the middle and upper middle classes, or at least from educated people with the right values (many Indians that are here are not from the middle class, but have the right values and are able to fit in just fine). I do however feel like the UK is more divided than ever, and I'd say modern day internet SJWism is a large part of the problem. When I was growing up we had all sorts of music scenes that brought us all together, and people didn't really see colour so much (everyone being off their heads on pills probably helped), whereas today the young kids seem far more divided and concerned with racial issues, and are forever looking to be a victim.

Post: #705

Diversity works when immigrants fully embrace the culture and values of the host country, while holding onto all parts of their own culture that are compatible with and not at odds with the culture of the host country. People of certain cultures or nations are capable of doing that, while other cultures are, such as in the case of Muslims, unable to do this for obvious reasons. For Muslims to fully embrace Western culture, they would have to discard huge amounts of their own values and customs as taught in the Koran and that are fundamental to their religion. They would essentially have to discard Islam. If they were able to do this, I would welcome them.

I don't think the issue is whether immigrants are educated. I think that culture plays a much bigger role in whether immigrants will, in the long run, add value to their adopted country. Imagine you went to Beijing to recruit Chinese immigrants to bolster a diminishing population in your country. You choose 2000 people entirely at random, not taking into account education, social status or intelligence. You allow them to settle in your country and have children. Their children will certainly, on average, be well-educated, they will earn money and not depend on the welfare state, they will not commit violent crime and they will generally add value to your country. If you went to Somalia or Liberia or Afghanistan or Pakistan and employed the same approach, the life outcomes and value to society that their children will make will be, on average, exactly the opposite the the Chinese population.

Some cultures are better that others. Some cultures are fundamentally incompatible with Western culture. Western culture is better than all others. By failing to recognize that the Western world is culturally superior to all others, it will decline until the gifts of rationalism, free speech, individual rights, judicial process and all the things that make us great, and for which oceans of blood have been shed over the centuries, will be lost.

Post: #706

(04-02-2016 04:58 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(04-02-2016 04:44 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  "disenfranchised' what rubbish. A lot of the muslims in the U.K and France come from strong communities, wealthy backgrounds or are enrolled in better than average universities in the West.

That's just not true.

Most of the UK's Muslims are Pakistani peasants.

They are not the majority by any means. But they have big families and a diaspora going on, in which the money they make circulates around their families. Plus they will defend their own, if you think of the outcry there would be if a pakistani girl was to be raped by black guys in Birmingham. We saw something like that back in 2005 with the Lozells riots.

Problem is sociologists and their other kin view everything in terms of financial power and status. They don't take into account other factors that make a group of people strong.

There are a lot of problems with muslim families in the U.K, the media doesn't even touch the iceberg. There are many cases of birth deficiencies and disabilities in places like East London and Birmingham due to cousins getting married and inbreeding. Practices from the villages being taken into the U.K.

Post: #707

It was the reverse. Rumours of a Jamaican immigrant being raped by Pakistanis which turned out not to be true. It was the usual suspects of Burger Bar Crew and Johnson's Crew (home-grown Afro-Caribbean gangs) using the excuse to do the worst of it. Today from what I hear one of these gangs now has very close ties with one of the major Pakistani gangs though so I doubt we'd see a repeat.

Post: #708

(04-02-2016 12:47 PM)Kieran Wrote:  It was the reverse. Rumours of a Jamaican immigrant being raped by Pakistanis which turned out not to be true. It was the usual suspects of Burger Bar Crew and Johnson's Crew (home-grown Afro-Caribbean gangs) using the excuse to do the worst of it. Today from what I hear one of these gangs now has very close ties with one of the major Pakistani gangs though so I doubt we'd see a repeat.

Indeed. The Pakistanis now control the drugs.

I think I've mentioned this before but these "Muslims raping black girls" stories used to happen a lot. I remember driving through a road in Balsall Heath back in the 00s and some black guys had set up an actual road block.

They weren't letting any Subcontinentals through as they were on a war footing after some rumoured incident and were fearful of getting drive-by'd.

That side of the city has become almost exclusively Muslim though these days. You never see the gangs of black guys hanging about there any more.


I don't dismiss these stories out of hand though. My gf once had a group of Pakistanis try and drag her into their car around those parts.

Post: #709

(04-02-2016 09:37 AM)Horus Wrote:  Some cultures are better that others. Some cultures are fundamentally incompatible with Western culture. Western culture is better than all others. By failing to recognize that the Western world is culturally superior to all others, it will decline until the gifts of rationalism, free speech, individual rights, judicial process and all the things that make us great, and for which oceans of blood have been shed over the centuries, will be lost.

100% true.

All of this "All cultures are beautiful!" crap being spouted is done by people who have never really traveled, or by those who hate Western culture as a whole, mainly because they hate straight white males.

Sure, they may have went to a resort in the Dominican Republic, or they may have backpacked around SEA for a month, but they never really dealt with people from that culture who are not PAID to be nice to them. They never really experienced the culture at all, other than the "culture" which was fed to them at various tourist traps.

There's a reason these countries outside of the west are so fucked up (and no, it isn't America's fault). It's because the people and their culture hold different values, morals, and ideas then we do.

Values such as it being okay for a politicians son to rape women of a lower status than them.

Or ripping someone off in business is the way it should be done, because if you don't do it to them, they will do it to you. Ripping off a foreigner is especially acceptable.

Paying a relatively small fine for driving drunk and splattering a poor street vendors head (and mother of 3 young children) on the windshield of your Ferrari is a perfectly acceptable form of punishment.

Executing a lower status male at a night club for talking with your girlfriend.

Etc.

Sure, there are some great parts of other cultures (and some great people), some parts even better than our own. But the fact is that overall, Western society is hands down superior. And some cultures and societies are complete garbage and they should be left alone to rot so as not to infect other cultures and societies.

Post: #710

Diversity works when you do not have a welfare system that allows people from other cultures to receives an income without working, when people from one country know they can just move into a country and start receiving money without work, well, there is not need to even learn the language, in the early 20th century and before, moving across countries was very easy, the immigration process was very soft, but because you did not have a welfare system people had to work or get the fuck out, however, people did not have t be deported, what ICE is doing in USA was almost not necessary back then, people self deported, you work to make money or you don't get money, you do not need to deport people in Europe, or USA, you just need to eliminate the welfare system and they will go back on their own, Arizona passes laws for this and people started to self deport, this is what Trump means, he does not need to round up people, just make it that you have to be a legal immigrant who arrived in the country or a USA citizen to work, then start eliminating the welfare system bit by bit, this is what liberals and politicians in general hate the idea of eliminating the welfare system, the people that vote for more government assistance will not have a motive to vote anymore, and will just go back.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/01/...nforcement

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...on-working

Post: #711

(04-02-2016 03:26 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  All of this "All cultures are beautiful!" crap being spouted is done by people who have never really traveled, or by those who hate Western culture as a whole, mainly because they hate straight white males..

Just like all women are beautiful, very annoying.

I would never want to live in a Middle Eastern country. Or fuck a fatty.

Post: #712

His daughter is blown to pieces in Brussels metro, he calls for "no more walls, tolerance and sharing love with muslims"



http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/36487/Attenta...tats.dhtml

"Mais je pense qu'en construisant des murs de l'exclusion, en cultivant la haine, on va dans le mur", a déclaré Michel Visart.

Pour le futur, si l'on veut un monde différent, il faut ce respect et cette tolérance. Je ne veux pas faire du pathos, mais il faut de l'amour"

Post: #713

^ These people deserve their fate. Hard truth, but there it is.


The really sad part is that the vast majority of people watching this cuck's performance think he's the greatest guy on earth for showing "tolerance" to his daughter's murderers.

Post: #714

@Going Strong, fuck is wrong with these people? I've never known a race of people be so cucked. If this happened to my family, I'd be seething.

Post: #715

Not an isolated incident:

Western man has his leg amputated after Brussels-airport attack, risks losing other leg, but... asks for "tolerance" and declares that "99,99% of Muslims are extraordinary, wonderful people, don't point fingers"



http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/1502/Belgique...tats.dhtml

How to explain it?: 40 years of leftist governments and ultra-feminist policies make men lose their honor, strength, nerve and intelligence. And leg(s), occasionally.

Post: #716

Want an accurate assessment of Muslims from a Muslim(present)?
20% extremist, 60% opportunist, and the rest normal and able to adapt to their host culture.
I've met them from many places around the world, from Yemen to Ethiopia in non-religious oriented events. (olympiads, conferences and such. There, tidbits from my life) I can't stand their insufferable victim complexes. I've only heard a few Muslim scholars openly chastise Muslims for it.

Post: #717

So this is what the western civilization devolved into? Virtue signalling wins over everything?

This just shows how the majority of people have no absolute morality, and able to accept anything as truth.

Post: #718

(04-02-2016 09:59 PM)Going strong Wrote:  His daughter is blown to pieces in Brussels metro, he calls for "no more walls, tolerance and sharing love with muslims"



http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/36487/Attenta...tats.dhtml

"Mais je pense qu'en construisant des murs de l'exclusion, en cultivant la haine, on va dans le mur", a déclaré Michel Visart.

Pour le futur, si l'on veut un monde différent, il faut ce respect et cette tolérance. Je ne veux pas faire du pathos, mais il faut de l'amour"

Creep ass looking m'rf'er.

Can't help but think he's glad there's no chance his daughter will be able to reveal certain "family secrets" in the future.

Post: #719

Just a daily reminder :

Post: #720

(04-02-2016 09:59 PM)Going strong Wrote:  His daughter is blown to pieces in Brussels metro, he calls for "no more walls, tolerance and sharing love with muslims"

NSFW
http://static0.7sur7.be/static/photo/201...524815.jpg

http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/36487/Attenta...tats.dhtml

"Mais je pense qu'en construisant des murs de l'exclusion, en cultivant la haine, on va dans le mur", a déclaré Michel Visart.

Pour le futur, si l'on veut un monde différent, il faut ce respect et cette tolérance. Je ne veux pas faire du pathos, mais il faut de l'amour"

(04-02-2016 10:34 PM)Going strong Wrote:  Not an isolated incident:

Western man has his leg amputated after Brussels-airport attack, risks losing other leg, but... asks for "tolerance" and declares that "99,99% of Muslims are extraordinary, wonderful people, don't point fingers"



http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/1502/Belgique...tats.dhtml

How to explain it?: 40 years of leftist governments and ultra-feminist policies make men lose their honor, strength, nerve and intelligence. And leg(s), occasionally.

Always amuse that these are the same people that call Americans crazy for having guns and a culture of self defense.



NSFW
http://www.god-bless-texas.com/wp-conten...7593_n.jpg

Post: #721

Looks like those mormons are up to again.

This time it looks like no casualties except the guy with an explosive belt.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3845043/br...-man-shot/

Post: #722

There's so many fucking terrorist attacks now that when an old attack thread gets bumped, I have no idea if it is a new attack or not by the title.

We are going to have to start dating these things in the title before long.

Post: #723

Neutralised. Fuckin Good.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40349654

Quote:Brussels central station has been evacuated after reports of an explosion, with Belgian police saying the situation is under control.
A person wearing an explosive belt was "neutralised" inside the station, Belgian media say.
The city's Grand Place was also evacuated.
In March 2016, 32 people died in attacks on Brussels airport and the metro system which were claimed by the Islamic State (IS)

Post: #724

Should we just start a master thread for the "Islamist terror attack of the day?"

Post: #725

(06-20-2017 03:02 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Should we just start a master thread for the "Islamist terror attack of the day?"

Well, it is the last week of Ramadan...