Post: #26

Either you're going to the wrong venues or the location where you live is not ideal, too far from work/nightlife area. On a typical night out I don't feel the need to stay until early morning. I can usually get a sense of how well the evening is going around midnight.

You need to find 4-5 solid bars where people go to drink and warm up before hitting the clubs. That's where you make most of your approaches and get the best "return on investment". Don't linger too much in one place, if it's empty or the ratios are not good, move on to the next and come back later. Best time to go is from 8pm to midnight. I recommend either going solo or with a solid wingman so that you don't waste time. Going out with a group is counter productive if you're looking to approach girls. I find that when I'm with a group I waste a lot of time chatting with others instead of approaching plus there's always somebody who wants another round = waiting for others to finish their drinks before moving on. If you haven't found a girl by midnight then your chances of getting lucky in a club are much lower. That's where most guys will try their luck and again you need to know the right places depending on the day of the week. I'd avoid clubs until Fridays and Saturday unless there is some student/erasmus event or something that will attract a crowd.

Post: #27

(03-06-2016 05:27 AM)roberto Wrote:  Fuck that shit. Switch to something with a better rate of return.

I'm 27 and came to this realisation when I was about 24. Since then it's only gotten worse and the knock on effects of a late night for the chance of some slut are simply not worth it whatsoever. I'm talking lost earnings, lost gains in the gym and lost time trying to catch up on pathetic quality sleep instead of focusing on the hobbies I love.

Daygame bro. Or online. I've never been any good at nightgame so you will have to find advice regarding transitioning your skills from that to daygame from another poster.

I'm under 30 and hangovers get worse every year.
No recent pussy from club has been worth dealing with entitled women and their thirsty competitors all night and having a huge nausea and brainfog in the following day or two.
Clubs are so unnatural environment for a human, but props to anyone who still slays there and enjoys it.
I guess this is what getting old is being like, but at least daygame, online and social circle game still exists.

Post: #28

OP 2 years ago is pretty much me nowadays. I don't bother going out unless I'm traveling or with other people or a wing. It just hasn't been worth the lost sleep, attitudes, and lack of results. Ironically, I got more out of "night game" in college when I had no clue about game and much less social awareness than I do now.

Post: #29

I am 36, learned daygame 15 months ago and the results were ... mediocre. The ability to speak to girls during daytime tho gave my nightgame a boost. Especially in gutter game, i.e. picking up single girls on the street on the way home or whatever at night. Had a few pulls from that this year. I do live in EE country tho and work wise I am a digital nomad, so very flexible. Often I just go out very late.. for the best part of the night. I do drink too much, but havent found a way around it yet. So I just sleep it off till the afternoon. Thats the price you have to pay. I wanted to stop, but I just like it too much for now. Tried some supplements against hangover like NAC, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Mag, Vit C, charcoal etc but sadly cant tell a big difference.

Post: #30

I’m in my mid 30s and have more energy than ever- but that energy has to be used carefully. In other words:
The idea of bar hopping, clubbing or randomly going chick hunting at night time is more fun in theory than it is in practice. Because let’s face it: more often than not you end up getting drunk with your buddies. But if I have a female prospect lined up (through online, day game or a social connection) I could literally be up at 4 am with her showing her my favorite hidden sake bar in midtown and knowing that it’s time well spent.
Same thing with parties, gatherings, dinners etc.
I know pussy will be hanging from the trees, ripe for the plucking, in a contained environment where I can leap stealthily like the mighty Komodo dragon.

Problem with night game in general is that it’s the rush hour of sex. Some dudes get a kick out of the meat market of it all but I always felt much more effective with a targeted approach. Different strokes...

Of course none of this applies if you’re abroad and ESPECIALLY if you’re solo. Any game is good game in that context because you have absolutely nothing holding you back (most importantly you don’t have to work the next day)

Post: #31

I have suspected this for a while but I also thought I was making excuses for myself or just getting old but Roosh mentioned it during one of his recent videos:

Not only is nightgame in decline in the West, so is cold approaching. It’s going to be viewed as harassment or conversational rape if the man isn’t deemed attractive to the eye. Online stats such as on OKCupid which deem 80% of men as below average, are more real life than real life now.

Post: #32

The supplements against hangover:

-8 hour sleep
-Water (lot's of it)
-Black Tea
-Heavy Workout
-Sauna
-Cold shower


After this, you ready to re start heavy drinking. But with a professional life, you can only have time to take this cure on a weekend. So the solution if you want to go out once or twice during weekdays is to cut the night shorter (2 or 3 am...), and drink less, a few beers like Kaotic said, or 2 glasses of wine.

But just one question, is why you want to stay out till 7 am?

From my experience by that hour nobody goes to bang, girls are tired and want to sleep, or if in the effect of cocaine they also want more cocaine and will and stay awake speaking for hours whitout banging.

I would say that if you picked nothing by 4:00 am...there is a 99,99% chance that you will pick no one that night.

Post: #33

^

I'd recommend against a sauna when you have a hang over. The main reason is that it will dehydrate you via all the sweating. You want to be putting more fluid into your body to replace what you lost when you were drinking all those beers.

Post: #34

(10-29-2018 01:04 AM)Rocha Wrote:  The supplements against hangover:

-8 hour sleep
-Water (lot's of it)
-Black Tea
-Heavy Workout
-Sauna
-Cold shower

Don't forget shadow boxing and going for a swim near your village by the sea.

Post: #35

(10-29-2018 04:16 AM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  ^

I'd recommend against a sauna when you have a hang over. The main reason is that it will dehydrate you via all the sweating. You want to be putting more fluid into your body to replace what you lost when you were drinking all those beers.

Could see it as both / and

Exercise and saunas to sweat it out and loads of fluids to replenish what was lost.

Its the way I deal with it anyway.

Post: #36

I wanted to leave nightgame completely, but I had some success recently and as I am alone, it always forces me to go to the city.
But drinking is a big problem for me. On Saturday I was at my friends birthday, then I went to find some girls to clubs (it was dead). Today it´s Saturday and I can´t even say how much fucked am I by the Friday drinking.

Any of the tips against hungover are worthless, when I am lying in the bed, dying, unable to move, unable to drink, unable to eat and unable to sleep. Today I had to wake up at 4 am and going thru this day was nothing than hell.

Maybe I should find some girl to spend weekends with and do normal things like go to the cinema. But that´s not adventure.

Post: #37

I know that feel. No hangover remedy has worked for me.
One advice people give is "don't drink too much then".
Being merely sober in a club is as tedious as hell, unless you plan to go sober and pull some chicks.
Even then it doesn't feel like it's worth anymore compared to other alternatives.

Post: #38

(10-29-2018 04:16 AM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  ^

I'd recommend against a sauna when you have a hang over. The main reason is that it will dehydrate you via all the sweating. You want to be putting more fluid into your body to replace what you lost when you were drinking all those beers.

I would also advice against doing solely sauna to heal a hangover.

But the list I put is sequential, so by the time you go to sauna you should be hydrated enough, at least two liters of water and half liter of black tea.

Then the termal shock of sauna and the cold shower (this all after a heavy workout), will put your body and your head back in the right spot, and ready for another alcoholic coma.

Post: #39

In case it wasn't already mentioned, but you lose various vitamins and minerals during heavy drinking (and also screw up your liver). B-vitamins are essential to replace, and also calcium/magnesium. I like using a combined powder supplements (Natural Calm / Magnesium calm) that I put in a liter of water and drink over time during a workout and before using the sauna (and adding cold showers). Most people are deficient in magnesium especially which is a major cause of cramping a well as migraine headaches.

I feel that wine bars and lounges are more fruitful environments for me as I mature. Nightgame is more relaxed. Also more into cider vs. beer (gluten fucks up your gut).

Post: #40

(10-28-2018 07:54 PM)bigbadpua Wrote:  I am 36, learned daygame 15 months ago and the results were ... mediocre. The ability to speak to girls during daytime tho gave my nightgame a boost. Especially in gutter game, i.e. picking up single girls on the street on the way home or whatever at night. Had a few pulls from that this year. I do live in EE country tho and work wise I am a digital nomad, so very flexible. Often I just go out very late.. for the best part of the night. I do drink too much, but havent found a way around it yet. So I just sleep it off till the afternoon. Thats the price you have to pay. I wanted to stop, but I just like it too much for now. Tried some supplements against hangover like NAC, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Mag, Vit C, charcoal etc but sadly cant tell a big difference.

Just don't drink (or have fairly small amount, two beers or so over the course of the night). Perks are numerous - better health, less "downtime", more money saved and, above all, better control and efficiency of how to play the field in the real time. Some girls may be suspicious you don't drink when they drink but no one can tell that your G&T is missing gin.

Post: #41

Even after you overcome pulling the chick (escalating and dealing with her friends) and securing the logistics to fuck, it's often a bitch trying to get it up after a whole night of boozing and dancing. If you can't engage in pleasurable sex after pulling, what's the point?

These factors coupled with having a solid harem makes night game less and less appealing over time.

Post: #42

(10-30-2018 02:42 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(10-28-2018 07:54 PM)bigbadpua Wrote:  I am 36, learned daygame 15 months ago and the results were ... mediocre. The ability to speak to girls during daytime tho gave my nightgame a boost. Especially in gutter game, i.e. picking up single girls on the street on the way home or whatever at night. Had a few pulls from that this year. I do live in EE country tho and work wise I am a digital nomad, so very flexible. Often I just go out very late.. for the best part of the night. I do drink too much, but havent found a way around it yet. So I just sleep it off till the afternoon. Thats the price you have to pay. I wanted to stop, but I just like it too much for now. Tried some supplements against hangover like NAC, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Mag, Vit C, charcoal etc but sadly cant tell a big difference.

Just don't drink (or have fairly small amount, two beers or so over the course of the night). Perks are numerous - better health, less "downtime", more money saved and, above all, better control and efficiency of how to play the field in the real time. Some girls may be suspicious you don't drink when they drink but no one can tell that your G&T is missing gin.

At this point, not drinking, simply put, doesnt work for me. Id rather stay home than limit myself to two drinks. That being said, I limit myself, but it is a lot more. Do I have issues? Probably, But it is what it is. Also, I can vouch for the sauna.
Keep looking for the best antihangover supplements.

Post: #43

As you get older, you need to build out your life so you are naturally meeting people and girls as part of it

That could be as part of your career (maybe you travel or meet new people frequently for your work), or your personal life, or both.

Be open to finding ways to making more friends and connections - with both girls and guys. You will meet people through these people as well.

Supplement both of the above with online apps.

I also think as you get older it's really worth considering how much time and effort you put into chasing sex and girls.

Sit down and think about how it's affecting your time use, mindset, happiness/fulfilment, and opportunity cost to be pursuing other things and other goals. Are you focussing on the short term picture, or would a longer term/bigger picture strategy suit you better?

Personally, I've found that only doing cold approach when I'm out and about doing errands, doing some type of natural social event, travelling, or have some free time to burn, has provided way bigger returns in my life overall and from a personal fulfilment perspective too.

Yes, you do have to give up some sex. But, the benefits long term in setting up your life can be way bigger proportionately or relatively.

That's the thing about cold approach, both night and day game - it's usually high investment, and low or medium return - unless you find a niche location or niche market that really works for you. It can also leave some guys with this slightly isolating one dimensional lone wolf vibe where they start viewing a lot of things they do in their life as transactional

Post: #44

(03-07-2016 10:22 AM)MikeS Wrote:  

(03-06-2016 07:54 AM)The_e_man Wrote:  I, for one, love night game.
I truly enjoy the people and the environment. But thats cause I put in the work when i was young and I've now mastered night game.
I go out 6-7 nights a week, Luckily my job affords me that luxury as I don't start till 4pm.
I'm 22, and I roll sober and solo. That helps big time. Don't drink.

You're still very young. My fondness for nightgame and clubs and bars in general didn't start declining much until my late 20s, and until my mid 30s I kept forcing myself - with slowly decreasing frequency - to go to bars, and the occasional club, at least a few times a month, since - outside of a select few social circle hookups plus private parties - nightgame is how I had always gotten laid.

You were right. 3 years later and 25 years old now.
My interest in night game is waning. Not because of diminished returns, but because my body just can't recover like it used to. Late nights take a toll on me, even if I'm not drinking (but even worse so if I am). Social circle game seems to be what I'm slowly evolving too.
If I go out, it won't be on a random weekend night at the bar, it would be to a show / festival but that's only cause I'm personally really into the rave / EDM scene.

Pretty drastic change from going out 5-7 nights a week and being addicted to it. If I had to stay inside and couldn't go out I would get anxious and fidgety. Now, I need a few days of recovery after a night out.
The upside to this is when I do go out, I pop off. Bottles, hotels, etc. Going out less often means you can have more money saved to pop off when you do go out.

Post: #45

OP,

I have seven years on you, and can say things have certainly changed re: night game, however you shouldn't be burned out at 28. I was going out in South Florida 2-3 nights a week from 23-30, and sometimes 4-5 nights while holding down a normal well paying day job. Entering my 30's, I cut back nightgame to 1 night a week, but I wouldn't refrain all together unless you are not successful at it.

Either way, take a break, maybe through the end of the year, and see how you feel after that. Day game and online can keep you busy and give you more control of your schedule for the next couple months.

Post: #46

(10-29-2018 03:17 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(10-29-2018 04:16 AM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  ^

I'd recommend against a sauna when you have a hang over. The main reason is that it will dehydrate you via all the sweating. You want to be putting more fluid into your body to replace what you lost when you were drinking all those beers.

I would also advice against doing solely sauna to heal a hangover.

But the list I put is sequential, so by the time you go to sauna you should be hydrated enough, at least two liters of water and half liter of black tea.

Then the termal shock of sauna and the cold shower (this all after a heavy workout), will put your body and your head back in the right spot, and ready for another alcoholic coma.

I went to a banya a few times after a night of heavy drinking. Sweated all the shit out of me and after a dip in an ice cold lake, I was a new man.

Then straight back in for another round of vodka.

Post: #47

I've been around long enough to have seen many of my buddies "get bored of the club scene" and drift off into marriages (failed ones).
It's almost predictable which types of guys are "ready to settle down"

I still go out at 57!. I love it. I don't get drunk nor want to be. I want to have a good time I love getting dressed up and like the air of suspense for the evening and perhaps score. I also have to be sober enough to screen the types of chicks that may cause me problems...later

Guys that work all week with minimal social life tend to go to what's easiest which is the club/bar....it doesn't take long for the club to become a dud.
I have always struck a healthy balance (everything in moderation) when it came to socializing so "the club scene" never became dull to me. Start mixing up what you do for the evenings is basically my advice and perhaps it'll save a guy from getting bored and thinking "it's time to settle down" (it'll fail later...did I mention that?)

Post: #48

(11-03-2018 06:11 PM)Incubus Wrote:  I've been around long enough to have seen many of my buddies "get bored of the club scene" and drift off into marriages (failed ones).
It's almost predictable which types of guys are "ready to settle down"

I still go out at 57!. I love it. I don't get drunk nor want to be. I want to have a good time I love getting dressed up and like the air of suspense for the evening and perhaps score. I also have to be sober enough to screen the types of chicks that may cause me problems...later

Guys that work all week with minimal social life tend to go to what's easiest which is the club/bar....it doesn't take long for the club to become a dud.
I have always struck a healthy balance (everything in moderation) when it came to socializing so "the club scene" never became dull to me. Start mixing up what you do for the evenings is basically my advice and perhaps it'll save a guy from getting bored and thinking "it's time to settle down" (it'll fail later...did I mention that?)

Your location will dictate the number of options aside from the bar/club scene you will have. I have met some amazing 8s and 9s in hotel bar lobbies in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and Atlanta on Friday nights. In other cities, the only place single available women hang are the bars or clubs. Those are usually not the cities you will find 8s and 9s around.