Post: #51

(03-16-2016 06:06 AM)Buakaw Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 12:49 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  Wait... he literally tried to get an actual North Korean flag? That's not what we meant. That's not what we meant at all.

Did we just fuck this guys life up?

Man, did you just say RFV forum? Ha ha ha

(03-16-2016 06:58 AM)RIslander Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if he never even broke the law in NK. These people are always looking to pin crimes on US citizens. You'd have to be nuts to travel to NK as a tourist.

There have been many other tourists who have been to NK before and made it out alive. Trust me, they're great people.

Post: #52

(03-16-2016 06:06 AM)Buakaw Wrote:  Man, did you just say RFV forum? Ha ha ha

Haha fuck I just saw that. I blame lack of sleep

Post: #53

One call from US Ambassador to N Korea, Dennis Rodman, and he will be free as a bird.

Post: #54

(03-17-2016 12:36 AM)Fisto Wrote:  As always I'm shocked at some of the things you faggots say when something horrible happens to another human being.

Post: #55

(03-17-2016 12:36 AM)Fisto Wrote:  As always I'm shocked at some of the things you faggots say when something horrible happens to another human being.

Post: #56

If this guy were wearing an orange jumpsuit, I might have some sympathy for him.

Post: #57

(03-17-2016 05:03 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 12:36 AM)Fisto Wrote:  As always I'm shocked at some of the things you faggots say when something horrible happens to another human being.

You motherfuckers try to act so hard "I have no sympathy, guys a dumbass". blah blah blah.

That kid's life is fucking OVER.

Every last one of you have done something much worse, been caught, and nothing happened.

"Oh well he should have respected the rules of the country".

Are you dumbfucks really taking the word of the Korean gov't as the Gospel?

Idiots.

edit - This is you guys' shitty way of virtue signaling

I look at it as the guy is a Darwin award candidate. Stupid is as stupid does. Unless he "stumbled" into North Korea by mistake he should have known something like this would happen.

Any American with any sense at all knows you don't travel to North Korea. How about a flamboyant gay man trying to sneak into Iran or Saudi Arabia. You just don't do it.

He fucked up - but I doubt they will harm him. Zero sympathy from me.

If you think you can't be snatched off the street in the USA for complete bullshit (false accusation)...

Think again.

For all you REALLY know, this kid was someone who thought he was in the country doing what he was supposed to do and someone didn't like the look on his face and decided to accuse him of taking a poster.

I don't care if he did steal a poster, 15 years being worked to death in a shit hole country in a shit hole prison is horrible and I think the lack of sympathy an empathy for what he is going through and what his poor family must be going through is just about as unfortunate a thing as there can be.

Men are always the first to screw themselves and each other over when everyone else is too.

Post: #58

(03-17-2016 10:39 AM)Fisto Wrote:  If you think you can't be snatched off the street in the USA for complete bullshit (false accusation)...

Yep... Ricky Jackson spent 39 years in jail and was falsely convicted.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio...es-n361531

He was even on death row until Cleveland denounced the death penalty as unconstitutional. Imagine if they didn't. Crazy stuff.

One false rape claim and a bad judge could land any of us in jail.

Post: #59

I'm going to add something else:

The kid goes to an Ivy league school but needs a used car worth exactly 10,000 USD?

He says he did it to subvert the motivation of the NK people?

He did it on behalf of a church no one has any record of him being a member of?

The NK police arrest him in the Airport, and not at the scene when this allegedly happened?

It seems to me he is sending the message that this is complete bs.

No sympathy!

Post: #60

(03-17-2016 03:18 AM)JacksonRev Wrote:  They'd basically do this to you in the US Military if you took down the Sexual Harassment and Equal Opportunity posters.

Ha, I love those posters, "Don't Wash Out!" They look great in my living room.

Post: #61

Tariffs on China, embargo on NK.

Post: #62

(03-17-2016 11:54 AM)Fisto Wrote:  No sympathy!

I'm not really big on sympathy. He should have known the risks when he booked the tour. Not saying the punishment fits the crime, but it's North Korea - what did he expect?!

Reverse snake analogy.





Of course NK is just using this for leverage and attention, it's the type of tactics they've been employing for years. Again, no surprise here.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...tages.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_impri...orth_Korea
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22379241


Be smart out there fellas.

Post: #63

(03-17-2016 03:08 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 11:54 AM)Fisto Wrote:  No sympathy!

I'm not really big on sympathy. He should have known the risks when he booked the tour. Not saying the punishment fits the crime, but it's North Korea - what did he expect?!

Reverse snake analogy.





Of course NK is just using this for leverage and attention, it's the type of tactics they've been employing for years. Again, no surprise here.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...tages.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_impri...orth_Korea
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22379241


Be smart out there fellas.

Is it really a 21 year old's fault for not knowing world politics?

I want to know where his parents were at. A bunch of liberal multi-kulti "WE ARE ALL EQUAL" types. And I'm sure his Ivy League brainwashing did not help him either.

There is no reason to not have sympathy for this kid.

Post: #64

21 year old men go off to war in search of adventure because they think they are invincible. That's probably all this kid was thinking when he went to NK.

If he did in fact try to steal a banner, then shame on him. However I think its more likely he was chosen by the NK government to be a bargaining chip with the US. I hope he gets home soon.

Post: #65

(03-17-2016 03:17 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Is it really a 21 year old's fault for not knowing world politics?

I want to know where his parents were at. A bunch of liberal multi-kulti "WE ARE ALL EQUAL" types. And I'm sure his Ivy League brainwashing did not help him either.

There is no reason to not have sympathy for this kid.

Actually, I do expect a 21 year old, college educated student to know better. And if it helps...

From this article: "Otto was one of the smartest guys I've ever met," Thomas said. "I've never met a person that had a bad thing to say about him."

There is no doubt this is a incredibly terrible and unfortunate thing to happen to anyone and I'm sure his family and friends are devastated. This will serve a very hard life lesson for this young man, but I don't think it's safe to say his life is "over" as some other posters suggested. These hostage situations tend to work out well for NK as they use Americans as bargaining chips, who in most cases end up coming home.

However, even for the least street smart of Americans, a simple google search makes my case.



Whoops. Probably not the best idea.



If I could find this in a quick 5 second search on travel to NK, so could someone seriously considering traveling there.

Well gee whiz Gmac, that's not really fair. I'm young and I should be able to travel the world! Plus I'm an AMERICAN!

Give me a break.

When I was growing up my dad taught me about personal responsibility and real world consequences. On my 18th birthday my father told me that every decision from here on out was mine and I would have to live with the consequences of my EVERY action. He was firm but fair, and even before adulthood I learned some very harsh lessons (albeit not as harsh as this story).

Now I have no doubt that the US will negotiate for this kid's release but I do believe that his decision (and his family if involved) was selfish and reckless. Not only has this young man put himself in danger, he's put his entire country in a rough position. We should (collectively) be teaching young people about this sort of personal and national responsibility, but we don't. You would think these kinds of stunts should serve as a warning to others and yet here we are again.

We all make mistakes, but this particular choice and action to travel to a well-known, extremely high-risk country will come at a hefty price and penalty.

I do hope he returns swiftly to his friends and family, and that future generations of Americans will think twice before putting themselves in harm's way. In my opinion, some of you guys have gotten a little too soft.

Post: #66

If I knew I could possibly get reamed; with the death penalty being possible, I would go out defiantly. Besides the fact that this guy really fucked up - pranks aren't looked upon kindly in Mordor, I can't believe he's not aware that apologies in NK are meant to degrade you further, not actually give you a chance for a lesser sentence/freedom.

I suppose you have no idea with their current dictator. He's had people shot for less.

This guy is in a really bad movie and there won't be any interview. I do wonder though if Kimmy or whatever his name is can blame SK and the US for this and threaten nuclear attack... again.

Post: #67

UVA is not an Ivy League school

Post: #68

(03-17-2016 05:37 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  If I knew I could possibly get reamed; with the death penalty being possible, I would go out defiantly.

Good luck.

(03-17-2016 05:37 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  I can't believe he's not aware that apologies in NK are meant to degrade you further, not actually give you a chance for a lesser sentence/freedom.

Torture me for a couple hours and I'll cry in front of a camera and say whatever you want me to say.

The guy shouldn't have been there but I hope the U.S can get him out alright. The U.S. should say clearly that from now on, travel to North Korea at your own risk. We won't help/negotiate to get you out if things go south.

Post: #69

I would never go to North Korea now, but at 21 I was game for damn near anything. I would have been ignorant of the law and probley got caught up in some dumb shit. I am not a a vandal but I could fathom taking a flag. I would like to impress you guys with my toughness but I would Crack under 48 hours of intense interrogation in a country run by a dictator where anything can happen to you and you have no recourse. I am 40 years old and I would be crying at that mic just like him if I was in the same position, only difference is at 40 I will not put myself in that position.Real talk.

Post: #70

(03-17-2016 09:50 PM)MiscBrah Wrote:  Torture me for a couple hours and I'll cry in front of a camera and say whatever you want me to say.

The guy shouldn't have been there but I hope the U.S can get him out alright. The U.S. should say clearly that from now on, travel to North Korea at your own risk. We won't help/negotiate to get you out if things go south.

They will likely get him out and i'm sure North Korea will get some kind of economic concessions for it. These negotiation details aren't really public knowledge and there's plenty of media misinformation so we can only speculate.

However, what is for sure is that North Korea doesn't do this shit just for shits and giggles. They may be irrational in many ways but also calculating in the way they play foreign governments.

They are definitely getting something out of it which is why they keep doing it.

The whole "we don't negotiate with terrorists" thing has been a myth for awhile now. There is a price that will be paid for every situation. The U.S. government will definitely have to pony up something for this nimrod.

Post: #71

Honestly even though I think we need less government interference in general, I would be all for a new law that said you have to sign a waiver to visit North Korea. If you get arrested, tough shit. Visiting that piece of shit country is playing with fire.

Post: #72

If I am ever down about anything, I will think about this guy.

That will perk me up quickly.

Post: #73

Start at 00:27.

Post: #74

^

Best interpretation from the comments:

Quote:Translation: We're here to bridge the gap between the two countires. In order to establish a dialogue, cultural exchange, and a meaningful relationship, we have to ignore all the things they are doing.

We're the ones with our lives on the line, we're the ones over in a facist country, so don't you tell me that i have to risk my life for some guy held captive, when you're the one sitting in safety.

Hopefully, this will open up a bridge ("door") one day that will lead to less suffering for their people.

Was definitely spineless when that newscaster said, "Don't use them as a shield, Dennis." I get that he was completely missing the point, but not only is Rodman's ass the one on the real line but 100% certain the reporter wouldn't say such a bold thing to him if they were within reaching distance.

Rodman may have come across like he was wasted off his ass, but that interviewer is as full of shit as they come.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #75

(03-17-2016 10:06 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  I would never go to North Korea now, but at 21 I was game for damn near anything. I would have been ignorant of the law and probley got caught up in some dumb shit. I am not a a vandal but I could fathom taking a flag. I would like to impress you guys with my toughness but I would Crack under 48 hours of intense interrogation in a country run by a dictator where anything can happen to you and you have no recourse. I am 40 years old and I would be crying at that mic just like him if I was in the same position, only difference is at 40 I will not put myself in that position.Real talk.

This. I'm done considerably riskier and stupider things than "stealing a banner". Not with stakes anywhere quite so high, or maybe they were and I was completely ignorant, and because I got away with whatever, I never had the misfortune to find out.

Looks like he's coming home after a year in a coma. Apparently contracted botulism, was "given a sleeping pill" and that put him in a coma for a year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/world....html?_r=0

I'm curious how this plays out and to learn the details of what actually happened.