I just had to share this fantastic Remainer English Rose with all you folks.

https://www.facebook.com/PeoplesVoteUK/v...420795511/

I wish there was a thumbnail, but please click through and see Emily.

Malone.

Malone, dear lord you deserve a slap for that!

(02-02-2019 11:37 AM)Malone Wrote:  I just had to share this fantastic Remainer English Rose with all you folks.

https://www.facebook.com/PeoplesVoteUK/v...420795511/

I wish there was a thumbnail, but please click through and see Emily.

Shove yer people's vote up yer 'arris.

Figured this is an appropriate UK-related thread to post this tweet by a new organization - Turning Point UK - that has been making the rounds on Twitter. Expect a lot of triggering and meltdown soon.

Napolean dreamed about a united Europe under French rule.
The Kaiser dreamed about a united Europe under German rule.
Adolph dreamed about a united Europe under German rule.

The European parliament realised their dreams of conquest, not by force, but by stealth.
Britain leads the fight for freedom as it always has done in the past.

Surely this 'Brexit delayed' bullshit is enough to get everyone on the streets...

(03-22-2019 12:49 AM)sterlingarcher Wrote:  Surely this 'Brexit delayed' bullshit is enough to get everyone on the streets...

You dont know British people that well.

If I were a young British guy, I'd be pissed.

Losing rights of residence, work, Erasmus, health care in Europe? And what do you get?

(03-22-2019 07:02 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  If I were a young British guy, I'd be pissed.

Losing rights of residence, work, Erasmus, health care in Europe? And what do you get?

Freedom?

And its not like you weren't able to live, work, study or avail yourself of health care in Europe before the EU.

Freedom? That's a joke. One of the reasons for Brexit is so the government can avoid the European Court of Human Rights. It was a pain in the ass when the UK govt wanted to throw someone in prison without a hearing.

You can't even say "trans women are men" in the UK now without being arrested. The UK is the least free country in Western Europe.

And it will be so great when you have to PAY for all that health care and education that used to be free, and get visas to live and work there.

(03-22-2019 07:23 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Freedom? That's a joke. One of the reasons for Brexit is so the government can avoid the European Court of Human Rights. It was a pain in the ass when the UK govt wanted to throw someone in prison without a hearing.

You can't even say "trans women are men" in the UK now without being arrested. The UK is the least free country in Western Europe.

And it will be so great when you have to PAY for all that health care and education that used to be free, and get visas to live and work there.

The UK may have shit laws in the future, but at least they will be the UKs shit laws, and not laws forced on the UK by a foreign power.

Having to get visas to live and work in a foreign country and having health insurance whilst there is not too high a price to pay for that freedom.

Studying in the EU wasn't "free" for people from the UK.

(03-22-2019 07:02 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  If I were a young British guy, I'd be pissed.

Losing rights of residence, work, Erasmus, health care in Europe? And what do you get?

As a British guy living in the EU I'm not worried. Spain, in particular is a funny case. If they were to eject the British living here their economy would probably collapse.

As for what we (the UK) get - a country. A tiny hope that it won't descend into darkness, or if it does it's because the elected government made it happen (and can thus be strung up for their crimes!)

If/when the EU bureaucrats sink the UK what do you do? You can't vote them out. Protesting won't do anything to them. Your options are exactly zero.

When it comes down to it remainers fall into two camps:

1) Those who are worried about their income
2) Those who vote for the same kind of policies the EU Commission dictates without having to make an argument or win elections - support for the EU is hopelessly partisan

If the EU was on the other hand dictating the policies of Hong Kong these people would be screeching about the pernicious and dangerous dictatorship in Brussels and voting to get out.

But no matter what happens, there is always the positive that the mainstream establishment is quite rapidly falling across Europe. With the amount of control they have had over the last few decades, they will have its very soon approaching implosion on their hands.

The chances of a recession are soaring. Italy is in recession. Germany and France are both skirting with recession. Once recession becomes clear, a debt crisis will emerge. Exactly how it will pan out I don't know, but it will have a negative effect on the EU.

(03-22-2019 07:02 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  If I were a young British guy, I'd be pissed.

Losing rights of residence, work, Erasmus, health care in Europe? And what do you get?

The main reason why i'm 'pro-brexit' is the simple fact that people from all around the EU have the right to work in the UK. This means that you have to compete with people for jobs here from all around Europe. These people can all speak good English so the language barrier for them is not a problem, but if i wanted to move the other way it would be.

Also don't believe the lie that all the eastern european people are doing the jobs the 'British people won't do' unless software developers, dentists, vets, biology graduate lab jobs all fall in this list as well

What's really dangerous as well is the media have been pumping this bullshit that 'Brexit is racist' and to vote remain shows a level of intelligence and sophistication.

Not as clearly of course, but if you break it down that's been the underlying tone for the past couple of years.

So now, just to make obvious, rational, articulate arguments to leave is going against the grain of the brainwashed masses.

Add to that millennium bug style doom 'no deal' Brexit predictions.

It's almost unbearable.

(03-22-2019 07:23 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Freedom? That's a joke. One of the reasons for Brexit is so the government can avoid the European Court of Human Rights. It was a pain in the ass when the UK govt wanted to throw someone in prison without a hearing.

You can't even say "trans women are men" in the UK now without being arrested. The UK is the least free country in Western Europe.

And it will be so great when you have to PAY for all that health care and education that used to be free, and get visas to live and work there.

This is an understandable misunderstanding often made by those unfamiliar with English Common Law. The Common Law system, such as it is, doesn't doesn't use grand legislative charters, such as the HRA, unless they are mandated (the EU). It is not how our system of laws evolves, or affords protection, to the 'man on the London omnibus'. When charters such as these are imposed, they often sit uneasily within our system of law - not because we don't like the rights and freedoms they aspire to, but because those rights and freedom are already protected, or able to be protected, within the vast body of English Case Law that exists, and which forms the corpus of our legal system.

There are no 'rights' conveyed by the Human Rights Act that were not already protected in an uncodified form by the Common Law. The problem with these legislative tracts, as one can observe across the European continent, is that they are invariably ideological, seek to be definitive in a way they cannot be, and demand vast amounts of bureaucracy to make them work. This is acceptable to those with legal systems based on the Code Civil, because it is how they are accustomed to operating. To those of us with a more ancient and less dictatorial legal tradition, such things are unpleasant and alien, and often unworkable.

It is certainly true that we are much diminished, from even a century ago. Our decline has been rapid, and demoralising. But if we are ever to extract ourselves from the mire, and regain something of our lost glory, it is imperative we leave the European Union. We are well advanced on the path to servility, and life as a vassal state. Our vital energies are suppressed, and we are inthrall to an alien, unlovely, and indeed hostile system.

One cannot expect a return to the great military power and imperial ambitions of the past. But there was a quality to the Englishman as recently as a century or two ago, that was uncommon amongst all the peoples of the world. It is my hope that that quality and competence can be regained - that it is still in us, however deeply suppressed and beset by hostile forces. If this is to come about, then the starting point is to be free to act as we choose in our own national interest, free from foreign shackles and interference.

(03-22-2019 07:23 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Freedom? That's a joke. One of the reasons for Brexit is so the government can avoid the European Court of Human Rights. It was a pain in the ass when the UK govt wanted to throw someone in prison without a hearing.

You can't even say "trans women are men" in the UK now without being arrested. The UK is the least free country in Western Europe.

And it will be so great when you have to PAY for all that health care and education that used to be free, and get visas to live and work there.

The ECHR is beyond a joke.

The ECHR is one of the main reasons we need to get out of the EU.

If we remain we have to stay in the ECHR.

Cant call Muhammad a paedophile in anywhere in the European Union without the ECHR upholding the conviction.

(03-23-2019 05:11 AM)tylerdurden1993 Wrote:  The main reason why i'm 'pro-brexit' is the simple fact that people from all around the EU have the right to work in the UK. This means that you have to compete with people for jobs here from all around Europe. These people can all speak good English

If you go to London you will hear the streets abuzz with such people who can speak English, but since they are virtually none are English they speak another jazyk.

The people who would have had those jobs in another Blair-free iteration of history have by and large spread out into the counties. Due to the mass migration of people into a area with limited housing stock - house prices have gone up; and these foreign workers are suppressing wages in that inflationary environment. It's no longer possible to live and raise a family in London, as it was a generation ago.

Youth unemployment correlates nicely with mass immigration:





To a considerable extent immigrants have displaced the young in entry level jobs. It is fairly obvious to any employer that Pawel from Krakow with his wife and two kids is likely to be a more dependable employee that Steve the untested native. And the same immigrants also have more purchase in getting into the shrinking housing stock (per capita).

When I stayed in London the hostel was full of foreigners - all of them seemingly working jobs in London and shuffling round cheap accommodation. This is how big cities increasingly work. A class of people with little hope of a normal life servicing the metro elite.









You never hear these same people worrying about the EE countries they are draining, because they are too busy virtue signalling how they are so brave as to not have a problem being treated by a Romanian doctor. Although I guess they are quite brave, given how dangerous foreign doctors are.

The ability to sustain normal family life evaporates everywhere the left get hold of - banishing discussion of the reason for their decline. You saw it in the North of England, which was voting sold 60%+ Labour with 80% turnouts for decades, as the areas did significantly worse; and from Blair the gentrification of the working-class from the party. Now the Torries are taking some of those seats. And not because they are becoming popular, but because people have stopped turning out for Labour.

Baltimore, St Louis, Memphis, Detroit - all turned into something like Caracas under blanket Democrat rule.

We are seeing the same today in the major cities: the ghettos of Paris and Marseilles; unlivable London with its imported knife 'national emergency'. In the US California, parts of New York and Illinois are leaking people as the left have created an environment where normal people don't want to live. Oregon is quickly following.

(03-23-2019 06:57 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 07:23 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Freedom? That's a joke. One of the reasons for Brexit is so the government can avoid the European Court of Human Rights. It was a pain in the ass when the UK govt wanted to throw someone in prison without a hearing.

You can't even say "trans women are men" in the UK now without being arrested. The UK is the least free country in Western Europe.

And it will be so great when you have to PAY for all that health care and education that used to be free, and get visas to live and work there.

The ECHR is beyond a joke.

The ECHR is one of the main reasons we need to get out of the EU.

If we remain we have to stay in the ECHR.

Cant call Muhammad a paedophile in anywhere in the European Union without the ECHR upholding the conviction.

It may be a joke, but even its weak protections are too much for the UK government, which is always sending police to harass grannies on Twitter for questioning Our Great Trans Future or locking people up on suspicion of something.

I get the Polish and Romanian worker objection to EU free movement, but that probably could have been fixed.

The UK is still going to end up subject to most EU commercial regulations if it wants to export to the EU. Except now they won't be on the drafting committees and the regulations will really be written to shut them out.

We'll see where we are in a year. I see another Scottish independence referendum coming at least. The markets have made their judgment with the decline of the pound and various British equities. Will there be a big economic shock?

Huge own-goal.

(03-22-2019 07:02 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  If I were a young British guy, I'd be pissed.

Losing rights of residence, work, Erasmus, health care in Europe? And what do you get?

I've been on Erasmus and let me tell you, it's nothing special. It's basically a carte blanche to drink, fuck and party for a few months.

Plus it's not like no one had ever studied abroad before European Union came along.

(03-23-2019 01:23 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 07:02 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  If I were a young British guy, I'd be pissed.

Losing rights of residence, work, Erasmus, health care in Europe? And what do you get?

I've been on Erasmus and let me tell you, it's nothing special. It's basically a carte blanche to drink, fuck and party for a few months.

Plus it's not like no one had ever studied abroad before European Union came along.

EU-subsidized drinking, fucking, and partying sounds pretty special to me, and worth fighting for.

Unless Daddy and Mommy are rich, Americans have to join the military for anything like that, and it usually includes a trip to some unpleasant places.

Fuck the EU and fuck the gibs. I dont give a rats ass about that. Man made a boat and sailed on it to far away lands before he got free shit from some centralised political monster and man will continue to find avenues to do so.

Only the weak and idiotic are complaining about losing easy free shit and besides, there are these magical things called passports and self determination.

(03-23-2019 01:29 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  EU-subsidized drinking, fucking, and partying sounds pretty special to me, and worth fighting for.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

If you're a regular, not terribly ambitious guy, then the European model is quite attractive.

But for those who want the freedom to hire and fire as they please, who are held back from achieving their maximum potential by government interference , who want to share as little of their wealth as possible with those who are are unwilling to work as hard as they are, leaving the EU will be a good thing.

(I'm not a Brit. I've lived, went to school for a bit and worked in the UK.)

(03-23-2019 12:46 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 06:57 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 07:23 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Freedom? That's a joke. One of the reasons for Brexit is so the government can avoid the European Court of Human Rights. It was a pain in the ass when the UK govt wanted to throw someone in prison without a hearing.

You can't even say "trans women are men" in the UK now without being arrested. The UK is the least free country in Western Europe.

And it will be so great when you have to PAY for all that health care and education that used to be free, and get visas to live and work there.

The ECHR is beyond a joke.

The ECHR is one of the main reasons we need to get out of the EU.

If we remain we have to stay in the ECHR.

Cant call Muhammad a paedophile in anywhere in the European Union without the ECHR upholding the conviction.

It may be a joke, but even its weak protections are too much for the UK government, which is always sending police to harass grannies on Twitter for questioning Our Great Trans Future or locking people up on suspicion of something.

I get the Polish and Romanian worker objection to EU free movement, but that probably could have been fixed.

The UK is still going to end up subject to most EU commercial regulations if it wants to export to the EU. Except now they won't be on the drafting committees and the regulations will really be written to shut them out.

We'll see where we are in a year. I see another Scottish independence referendum coming at least. The markets have made their judgment with the decline of the pound and various British equities. Will there be a big economic shock?

Huge own-goal.

With regards to the 2 points I bolded above:

1. The UK doesn't export to the EU, it imports in from the EU. Any prohibitive trade deal with the EU can be easily stopped by matching any tariffs or regulations the EU place on UK products with matching tariffs or regulations. That would hurt the EU more than the UK, and they are hurting enough already. Just ask President Trump how its done.

2. A lower valued pound is better for the UK economy. This is because it makes it a better environment for UK companies to compete internationally, this leads to more jobs and a stronger economy. Though it might cost you more for a beer on holiday, more people will be able to afford holidays.

This is the thing though, this is the thing..

I've lived, worked, claimed benefits, been homeless all over the UK.

Seen immigration and Islam from all kinds of angles and know full well the nightmare that being a signatory to the ECHR entails.

As a former employer I could go into all the ways EU enforcement of worker's or individual's rights doesn't amount to shit.. whilst all their pro-migration/ pro-Asylum seeker garbage makes it impossible for a signatory country to limit migration, especially from the 3rd world.

But whats the fucking point?

Sp5 - you're a lawyer and you were a US army clerk in Iraq. Im happy for you.. doesn't mean you know shit about the Uk or Brexit.

You wade in like you are the last word on issues and I can't for the life of me work out why you are appointing yourself as an expert on these things.

You said about the Uk army instructor facing court-martial for giving a female recruit shit: "Having her get on her knees before him in the river while cursing at her served no training purpose. It was done to elicit a reaction from her so he could record it and laugh with his mates.
Unprofessional and should be punished."

No.. No.. Nope.. We do things differently in the Uk and we do it for a reason.

About the Islamic prejudice against dogs as the spawn of satan's saliva: "I have to laugh at all of this dog stuff. If anything, there are TOO MANY dogs in some Muslim countries." Try being a dog owner in muslim dominated Tower Hamlets. That would change your tune..

Muslims are great guys? Go to Dewsbury, Rotherham, Cheetham Hill, Bradford, Luton, Telford, Shadwell. Great people? Not in many parts of the UK they're not.

You like Alexandra Occasio-Cortez because she "ran on economic issues and being in touch with the average constituent"?

Trump "will have to resign this year"? Trump will be out of a job soon?

Sure.

Thanks for your expertise but you will understand when Britons ignore overseas 'experts' in order take back the ability to determine the future of their country.

And when some Britons disregard your expertise in general.