Post: #26

^ I meditate daily and believe it's the best habit you can adopt as a man besides lifting.

But many of these girls are not interested in meditation at its core and as a habit. They just like they cultural implications like the Asian, buddhist, anti-christian/alternative aspects of it.

Post: #27

(02-19-2016 01:33 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 12:57 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Ryan Gosling and Channing Tatum aren't after her. The Helmsworth guys aren't interested either. Can't even hold on to a b-tier rock guy.

At the clubs, no one thinks that she's as hot as the skinny 19 year old doing coke at the baller table.

Maybe it's my bias, but I see a girl that isn't any cuter than the typical college brunette studying marketing.

She should be happy with whatever Mercedes Benz salesman, Hollywood accountant, or personal trainer she ends up with.

WIA

I don't disagree with you often, WIA, but she would be LUCKY to get a relationship with any of the guys above. It's more like:

She should be happy with whatever used car salesman, middle of the road accountant, or gay (but pretending not to be) personal trainer she ends up with.

She is the daughter of Melanie Griffith (and Don Johnson), who was the daughter of Tippi Heddron who likely was the daughter of someone else famous or powerful. Her value is in showbiz connections. She will likely end up married to a ladder-climbing closeted homosexual actor with whom she will have a child who will continue the cycle.

Post: #28

(02-19-2016 03:13 PM)Gimlet Wrote:  She is the daughter of Melanie Griffith (and Don Johnson), who was the daughter of Tippi Heddron who likely was the daughter of someone else famous or powerful. Her value is in showbiz connections. She will likely end up married to a ladder-climbing closeted homosexual actor with whom she will have a child who will continue the cycle.

Bet she ages as badly as Melanie.

Post: #29

(02-19-2016 03:01 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  ^ I meditate daily and believe it's the best habit you can adopt as a man besides lifting.

But many of these girls are not interested in meditation at its core and as a habit. They just like they cultural implications like the Asian, buddhist, anti-christian/alternative aspects of it.

Either that or they say they're into it because, like, Buzzfeed totally said mindfulness is cool this week.

Post: #30

(02-19-2016 03:24 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 03:13 PM)Gimlet Wrote:  She is the daughter of Melanie Griffith (and Don Johnson), who was the daughter of Tippi Heddron who likely was the daughter of someone else famous or powerful. Her value is in showbiz connections. She will likely end up married to a ladder-climbing closeted homosexual actor with whom she will have a child who will continue the cycle.

Bet she ages as badly as Melanie.

Melanie wasn't much to look at in her prime either.

Post: #31

"Guy are afraid to ask me out?"

Wait a minute, as a Hollywood personality, I'm going to assume that she mainly hangs out at Hollywood parties. So, she's likely constantly surrounded by other A and B-list celebrities, Hollywood industry leaders, and assorted hangers-on. So, I really doubt that the men who are also at those parties are "scared" of her. They're likely spending their time hitting on the hotter women who are present.

This is probably the exchange between her and her publicist, "What do I say if I get asked about my dating/relationship life?" Publicist: "Say that men are scared to approach you. It makes you sound like it's their fault, not yours." Her: "Wow! Cool!"

Post: #32

(02-19-2016 03:32 PM)Gimlet Wrote:  Melanie wasn't much to look at in her prime either.

Melanie had a great voice, though....breathy and sexy back in the day. Working Girl was a typical piece of feminist agitprop, but I could listen to her talk in that baby-doll voice all night long.

Too bad she wrecked her looks, such as they were, with plastic surgery.

Post: #33

I love how you guys roast pretentious bitches here. If Dakota read this thread, probably she'll kill herself.

It's like Reddit's "Roast Me" but with rational explanations and without the Political Correctness crap.

Post: #34

General Stalin: I am trying to get better at my posts. Still need to work on it.

Post: #35

Weambulance: ok...I will do that from now on.

Post: #36

Projection. She finds famous men attractive (clearly). Women are willing to overlook physical attraction for a famous man.

She then expects the same for men looking at her.

Post: #37

Female projection. It's like all these birds online honestly thinking their master's degrees are attractive to men.

Post: #38

This chick is 26???? I thought she was around 35. Hitting the wall.

Post: #39

This is just more evidence that most people believe what they want to believe. That is, until cold reality hits them square in the nose. There is a reason why you shouldn't inflate the egos of the impressionable, it sets them up for turmoil the second the hot air is let out.

I haven't watched this movie she's famous for, but it does seem deliberately strange that they would pair such an obvious mismatch for a "love story", of sorts. It always seemed that feature films use the most attractive people possible and if they need to ugly duck an actress, they only do so on a topical level, so when the maid gets the prince at the end, she does eventually look worthy of his attention.

I suppose it's not very "empowering" to the target audience, but should have cast a girl like this for the movie:

Post: #40

She's got the most average pretty face I've ever seen. She's cute and with a better personality someone famous might take her up but she doesn't seem like she has a great personality after that hamster rant.

Post: #41

Having an average girl in 50SOG appeals to the girl fantasy of an average broad being pounded by a rich handsome alpha.

It's like the porn out there with fat doughy betas railing perfect 10 blonde Barbie dolls. a certain subset of guys love that shit.

Post: #42

Guys - half the picture has been correctly assessed that A & B list actors can get with way hotter women with less attitude.

The other half of the picture? Betas who come into contact with her and know who she is. Seriously, your typical AFC is going to look at her and think "wow, pretty girl". OF course, since they're an AFC, they read 50 shades and watched the movie with their last ex. They're going to take one second look at themselves in the mirror - typical guy, making a typical salary vs "pretty" woman making a few million a year.

Instinctively they know about women's hypergamy and will think "why would I even bother trying, what would I have to offer a woman like her? I'll go to talk Madison from accounting because she keeps talking to me at lunch hour."

Post: #43

I'd bet she doesn't like to, or is no good a sucking cock. Just a hunch

Post: #44

She is not only average looking she is a forgetable actress. Most people said that one of the biggest reason the movie sucked... was because she was a terrible actress.

I wouldn't go bunkers for her, actually she is the kind of girl I would easily get a date with from OkCupid or Tinder. Not that special.

Most guys will be afraid to ask her out because she's kind of famous. But she isn't that hot. She's just the average looking actress that has famous parents.

Post: #45

She's cute.

The kind of guys she's aiming for, hollywood a- & b-listers, probably don't feel intimidated by her or any other woman. That's why they're stars.

She's just begging for attention for the movie she's starring in. Hot women are never in need of men.

Post: #46

(02-19-2016 06:30 PM)Gustavus Adolphus Wrote:  This is just more evidence that most people believe what they want to believe. That is, until cold reality hits them square in the nose. There is a reason why you shouldn't inflate the egos of the impressionable, it sets them up for turmoil the second the hot air is let out.

I haven't watched this movie she's famous for, but it does seem deliberately strange that they would pair such an obvious mismatch for a "love story", of sorts. It always seemed that feature films use the most attractive people possible and if they need to ugly duck an actress, they only do so on a topical level, so when the maid gets the prince at the end, she does eventually look worthy of his attention.

I suppose it's not very "empowering" to the target audience, but should have cast a girl like this for the movie:

If they'd done that, the movie would have been much less successful than it was. The whole point of the thing is to sell a dream, and you can't sell the dream with that girl in the main role.

The audience is filled with women who love the story because it involves a fantasy: non-famous, not-terribly-special-in-any-way girl getting swept off her feet by incredibly well known, very rich, very good looking, and exceptionally special guy who, for whatever reason, falls in love with her and considers her special.

These women want to put themselves in the fantasy. How do you, the moviemaker, allow them to do that as they watch your film?
You give them a woman they can empathize with. Most of the fans of this movie are female, and most are perfectly average (or below average), or convinced (due to low self-esteem/insecurity) that they're merely average or below average. By casting a cute-ish but not particularly hot girl in the main role, you reach just about everyone:

-The attractive girls with low self-esteem who have convinced themselves they aren't attractive don't feel threatened since the leading actress is within their league and looks like any girl they met in school or on the street - they know they can be her in their minds and live the fantasy.
-The very average and well below average girls don't feel threatened since the leading actress is not special and they can always rationalize their own physical attractiveness up to her level since she's not extremely far above them and they see girls who looks like her everywhere - they too can "be her" in their minds and live the fantasy.

You definitely don't cast a girl like the one in that photo you posted. Why? She's beautiful, and everyone knows it. She's far better looking than the average/below average fans (who make up the vast majority of the fanbase) and the attractive girls with low self-esteem will feel the same way. Since she's clearly very beautiful and they are not (or they do not think they are), they will no longer be able to live the fantasy and "be her". The gap between her and themselves is simply too big; they won't be able to suspend disbelief and get lost in the dream as they would if the leading actress was plainer and a bit more "girl next door".

Dakota Johnson is a girl next door - she's not unattractive, but everyone has seen thousnds of girls like her in their daily lives (school, work, the mall, the street, etc). She's down to Earth in that sense, and that's the appeal. She's not out of their world, so whatever she is portrayed to do is something they themselves can delude themselves into thinking they can do.

Finally (and most crucially), there's nothing fantastical about a movie featuring the girl you posted. Super beautiful model chick getting with rich, handsome young entrepreneur/athlete/celebrity is the norm in real life. This is reality, not fantasy. These women know how things go in the real world and they know they're not in any position in reality to get those kind of results. They lament that state of affairs all the time. What they want the movie to do is allow them to delude themselves into thinking things can go differently by presenting a state of affairs contrary to real life, which is what 50 Shades of Grey does. That is the fantasy, and it is said fantasy that makes the whole story so popular.

THe directors play to this throughout the movie. When Dakota's character first meets this dude in his office, we see that his staff consists entirely of beautiful models. There are like half a dozen of them walking around as Dakota waits in the lobby for her appointment. The filmmakers (quite brilliantly, I might add) only add to this by drumming up the contrast between them - while the staff is dressed to the nines in heels and pricey dresses with great makeup and impeccable hair, Dakota has frumpy looking clothes on, no heels, messy hair and far less makeup. They are graceful and poised while she is awkward and clumsy. In real life, surrounded by such beautiful, poised women, Dakota's character would be completely overshadowed - not even a second look from a guy like Grey.

(skip to 3:00 in the video below and you can see what I'm talking about as she enters the office - notice the contrast between his staff and Dakota's character. The filmmakers knew exactly what they were doing)




But in the movie? Dakota immediately strikes him anyway. She overshadows the models. This billionaire, who spends his days surrounded by gorgeous models (who all looked just like the girl you posted, if not better) doesn't think about them at all, but is just struck dumb by the frumpy little reporter Dakota who visits his office one day.
That is the kind of thing most female dreams are made of, because most women are/think they are Dakota (or worse), not the models. It simply doesn't work if the girl in Dakota's position looks just like the models on Grey's staff.

TL;DR: When Dakota Johnson is the leading girl, they can live this fantasy. "Oh, I can be her".
When super beautiful model is the leading girl, they cannot. That's just business as usual. "Of course he's with her."

It is as simple as that.

Hollywood is giving the audience what it wants and, in the process of doing so, minting money. That's the name of the game. We complain a lot about unrealistic fantasy storylines like this one (which are quite common in media today) being too unrealistic and maybe even feminist, but at the end of the day there's less of a political agenda here than an economic one. Pandering to female fantasy is simply good business. Women are our nation's biggest consumers, which is why you see our mainstream media direct most of its pandering to them. Money talks.

Post: #47

Quote:TL;DR: When Dakota Johnson is the leading girl, they can live this fantasy. "Oh, I can be her".

There.

Post: #48

^ Yep.

I have never read any of the Twilight books but from what I've read about the characters, the same reader-insertion/wish-fulfillment fantasy phenomenon is going on there.

For the male version, check out Ready Player One by Ernest Cline. The best part of that book was the blurb.

Post: #49

Ready Player One is currently in pre-production being directed or produced by Steven Spielberg.

Post: #50

The premise of Ready Player One was fine (more or less), and I have no doubt in the hands of a skilled storyteller it would've been really good. Ernest Cline, unfortunately, is nothing like a skilled storyteller, and he's also writing the screenplay, so... I guess we'll see if Spielberg can work his magic on it.