Post: #1

http://kukuruyo.com/2016/02/17/spain-gen...ainst-men/

Post: #2

(02-19-2016 12:56 AM)Hoo Wrote:  http://kukuruyo.com/2016/02/17/spain-gen...ainst-men/

Can any Spanish guys or people living in Spain comment on this?

Is it worse in certain regions?

Post: #3

I live in Spain currently, and have spent almost 4 out of the past 15 years here.

While some of the things in the article might be true, it in no way reflects any experience I have had here or anything I have directly observed.

If you read an article by a British men's rights activist who had gone through a shitty divorce from a crazy bitch, and believed what he wrote as being representative, you would have a very narrow and distorted version of life in Britain.

From my perspective, as an unmarried male who has bedded dozens of Spanish women in various settings, the article is 99% bullshit.

Post: #4

^^^
At the risk of derailing this thread, as someone who's lived in Spain for years, can you explain the perception that Spanish men are known for visiting brothels?

Post: #5

I'm not surprised. The Iberian penisula in general is a terrible place for men. There's a lot of beta guys who think that the only way to get laid is to dance to some feminists song. The thirstness is huge. There's a huge population of stay at home women whose only job is to watch the morning shows that love parading some stupid woman who stuck with an abusive husband for decades.

Last week there was a case in Portugal where a mother walked with both her children into the cold dark water of the atlantic, trying to commit collective suicide. She survived, both her kids 2 and 4yrs old didn't.

She has had a history of prior psychological problems and had accused her husband (with no prior issues with the law) of domestic violence, forcing him out of his home straight away before the trial even started.

The funniest thing is that even the FUCKING POLICE when asked for the reasons of this mother doing such a cruel thing, claimed that it maybe was because of the psychological issues that arised from the FATHER DEMANDING CUSTODY OF THE KIDS 2 weeks before.

They were defending a murder (proven already) simply because... the (allegedly violent) husband demanded custody? This is how you see that the whole country is fucked up. There's no "innocent until proven guilty" for men around there anymore.

Also, it's not uncommon for girls in Portugal to act as if you're about to rape their friends when you approach them in a club. I have never seen this in any other country before, where 2 well dressed successful guys such as me and my friend were approaching 2 hot girls, the girl was actually receptive and her friends come inbetween and say something like "OMG WHAT ARE U DOING TO MY FRIEND". It's fucked up.

Post: #6

(02-19-2016 04:51 AM)262 Wrote:  ^^^
At the risk of derailing this thread, as someone who's lived in Spain for years, can you explain the perception that Spanish men are known for visiting brothels?

There is a very relaxed attitude to prostitution here, and "puticlubs" are all over the place. The major newspapers used to have large sections in the back with advertisements for hookers, and still have some adverts, but most of that is online now.
I honestly don't know if Spanish men visit hookers more than men in other countries.
Sexual liberation came late to Spain because of the Franco dictatorship, so maybe that has something to do with it.
Also, women in general are less slutty than other places.
And Spanish guys aren't known for having the tightest game.

Post: #7

(02-19-2016 07:29 AM)trainwreck Wrote:  I'm not surprised. The Iberian penisula in general is a terrible place for men. There's a lot of beta guys who think that the only way to get laid is to dance to some feminists song. The thirstness is huge. There's a huge population of stay at home women whose only job is to watch the morning shows that love parading some stupid woman who stuck with an abusive husband for decades.

The funniest thing is that even the FUCKING POLICE when asked for the reasons of this mother doing such a cruel thing, claimed that it maybe was because of the psychological issues that arised from the FATHER DEMANDING CUSTODY OF THE KIDS 2 weeks before.

Also, it's not uncommon for girls in Portugal to act as if you're about to rape their friends when you approach them in a club. I have never seen this in any other country before, where 2 well dressed successful guys such as me and my friend were approaching 2 hot girls, the girl was actually receptive and her friends come inbetween and say something like "OMG WHAT ARE U DOING TO MY FRIEND". It's fucked up.

Where are you planning on moving to thats better?

I'm curious.

Post: #8

(02-19-2016 03:48 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  I live in Spain currently, and have spent almost 4 out of the past 15 years here.

While some of the things in the article might be true, it in no way reflects any experience I have had here or anything I have directly observed.

If you read an article by a British men's rights activist who had gone through a shitty divorce from a crazy bitch, and believed what he wrote as being representative, you would have a very narrow and distorted version of life in Britain.

From my perspective, as an unmarried male who has bedded dozens of Spanish women in various settings, the article is 99% bullshit.

Thanks for the perspective.

Can you also speak from what you have observed from friends or relatives that are actually married with Spanish women in Spain?

Hell on Earth?

Does it seem worse than anywhere else in the modern Western World?

Post: #9

Everyone I know personally...the quality of their marriage depends 100% on what they do and who they are as individuals. It really has nothing to do with larger societal trends, whatever those actually are.

If you have a shitty wife and a lousy marriage, instead of looking for answers on the internet or in a newspaper, look in the mirror.

A strong man who chooses well will have a good or even great marriage in just about any country. A weak man with poor frame and poor game, who makes a bad choice for a partner...well, he is shit out of luck even if he is in one of those countries where you can force your wife to wear a burkha and never leave the house.

Post: #10

^^^
I somewhat agree with the above, but I believe societal trends CAN influence the probability of a successful marriage.

Of course, the strongest of men can win in any country, while the weakest of men can lose in any country.

But for the significant majority in the middle, which likely even includes us, due to factors beyond our control, such as genetics, a society that supports marriage - one that doesn't award cash and prizes to women for divorcing, for example - does matter.

Post: #11

^^^

262, I don't consider most of us on the forum as the majority in the middle.

Most people are scared to change, ignorant of the world, lack self confidence, and either don't know what game is or have terrible game.

I think compared to the average male, the average RVF member is way ahead, I would even go as far as to say elite.

I think the average RVF member, by using the information on this forum, improving themselves, and seeking advice from the membership when in doubt, is entirely capable of having a life that most average men can only dream of.

We are capable of great success in business, game, and health...and marriage too if that's your cup of tea.

Post: #12

(02-19-2016 03:48 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  From my perspective, as an unmarried male who has bedded dozens of Spanish women in various settings, the article is 99% bullshit.

I really hope you're right but the comments make it sound like what it's written is real, and perhaps being a foreigner and coming form a different perspective and mindset you don't realize what's happening. Still, I truly wish you are right, what is written in there is terrifying.

Post: #13

This is opposite of my experience. Some of the girls are definitely liberal, but they can also be quite conservative and feminine. Not anywhere as bad as western girls

Post: #14

I'm Spanish and frankly, there's way more feminazis among your average group of students in the UK than in Spain (not to mention girls with short/blue hair etc). It is true that things might be getting a bit worse now with the far left gaining support (Podemos party). They are trying to push their gender ideology into the mainstream but currently things are better than in Northern/Western Europe. Generally speaking, Spain has practically no pc culture like in the UK/US and your average girl has more gf potential than in the anglosphere. The main reason prostitution is so common is because a lot of guys have no game and girls generally don't put out easily - outside of Madrid and Barcelona there's very little hookup culture and ONS among locals (many students live with their parents). For the most part, your average spanish guy will spend many months of little or no sex in between serious girlfriends so it's basically either a monogamous relationship or nothing. Finally, I disagree when people say that "Spain or Portugal are bad countries for men" etc. Mediterranean countries have great cultures and lifestyles and it's easy to live a more relaxed life where you are not constantly thinking about chasing new pussy.

Post: #15

(02-22-2016 09:22 PM)n0000 Wrote:  This is opposite of my experience. Some of the girls are definitely liberal, but they can also be quite conservative and feminine. Not anywhere as bad as western girls

Hu? Spaniards are western.

Post: #16

(02-23-2016 06:24 PM)Luisaceo Wrote:  Finally, I disagree when people say that "Spain or Portugal are bad countries for men" etc. Mediterranean countries have great cultures and lifestyles and it's easy to live a more relaxed life where you are not constantly thinking about chasing new pussy.

Portugal, Spain, southern France, Italy and Greece are probably the best places in the world to live if you don't have to worry about money.

Post: #17

Guys on the forum really need to start separating reality from what they pick up in the Media. Everyone is off their shit whining about Europe because they find some fringe articles that focus on something I never even saw as a local.

I visited Spain twice last year and it's still a culture where the women are incredibly feminine and warm, go to the south of Spain away from the Med coast and you will struggle to find a good English speaker.

Post: #18

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...51581.html

"According to studies carried out for the Spanish Association for the Social Reintegration of Female Prostitutes (Apramp), back in 1998 the typical client was a 40-year-old married male. By 2005, however, the average age had dropped to 30 – and it appears to be getting lower. “

"Prostitution is so popular (and socially accepted) in Spain that a United Nations study reports that 39 per cent of all Spanish men have used a prostitute's services at least once."

Post: #19

(02-24-2016 09:40 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Guys on the forum really need to start separating reality from what they pick up in the Media. Everyone is off their shit whining about Europe because they find some fringe articles that focus on something I never even saw as a local.

I visited Spain twice last year and it's still a culture where the women are incredibly feminine and warm, go to the south of Spain away from the Med coast and you will struggle to find a good English speaker.

Did you get any Spain flags?

Post: #20

I've to Spain a bunch of times and for the last year have been in an open long term relationship with a Spanish woman. While Spanish women are not perfect, they are light years ahead of American Women in terms of being down to earth and feminine. If I wanted to get married, I would be thinking about it with my Spanish woman.

This article does make it seem as if there are some pretty nasty anti-male laws in Spain. This would not surprise me as there seems to be a very vocal feminist movement in Spain. The difference is that this movement is a small minority of woman. The majority of Spanish women seem to be happy having equal rights and more or less equal relationships with men. They also seem to appreciate the dance between masculine and feminine. This contrasts to the U.S. and Canada where the average woman has many masculine traits and expects to be in a dominant position to her male romantic partner(s).

Post: #21

(02-26-2016 12:53 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  for the last year have been in an open long term relationship with a Spanish woman.

Post: #22

Interestingly, just a few days ago, a group of student activists organised a protest in a university in Madrid against 3rd wave feminism and gender ideology:





This would be almost unthinkable in a university in the UK. If someone tried to pull this off in the anglosphere, they'd probably get a counter demonstration of leftist freaks that would end up censoring them. Basically, these guys are fighting against this BS ideology before it becomes mainstream like in other countries.

Post: #23

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2016/03/11/c...41644.html

Apparently there's a "feminist rebellion" against an internet PUA coach in Spain.

Quote:Zarina Kulaeva ha comenzado una campaña en Change.org para cerrar el canal de Youtube de Álvaro Reyes, un joven español que se define como "experto en seducción" y que imparte cursos sobre cómo ligar con mujeres. La petición de Kulaeva había conseguido más de 21.272 firmas —este viernes a las 18.30—. Según denuncia Kulaeva, Reyes imparte lecciones como: "Debemos sobrepasar los límites establecidos para tener éxito con una chica, nunca preguntes si lo puedes hacer; hazlo sin más".

La denunciante expone una de las entradas colgadas por Reyes en su página. “La chica se empezó a comportar como dudando, David y Alejandro la cogieron con total autoridad y la subimos al piso sin rechistar (nota: cuando una chica actúa con inseguridad, guíala tú. Ella necesita un líder que la lleve)”.

Para tener éxito con una chica, nunca preguntes si puedes hacer; hazlo sin más", asegura Álvaro Reyes

La presidenta de la Federación de Mujeres Progresistas, Yolanda Besteiro, asegura que "son contenidos que hacen apología de la violencia de género y es increíble que se puedan difundir impunemente esto solo demuestra el grado de tolerancia de la sociedad". "Si alguien publicara vídeos haciendo apología del racismo no se lo consentirían, pero con contenidos sexistas nadie se extraña", sentencia.

La principal función de estas lecciones es enseñar a los hombres cómo hacer Daygame (seducción diurna), una práctica de ligue que consiste en abordar a mujeres durante el día, en la calle o el metro, para intentar conseguir citas, sus números de teléfono o incluso intentar besarlas a los pocos minutos de haber entablado conversación con ellas. Entre los vídeos también hay tutoriales para hacer que "ellas se vuelva adictas a ti" o "cómo y cuándo tocar a una mujer". Estas lecciones predominan premisas como abandonar "excusas" del tipo "no quiere ser molestada" a la hora de acercarse a una mujer para intentar seducirla.

Los cursos de Reyes enseñan a los hombres cómo hacer Daygame (seducción diurna)

Besteiro califica esta clase de lecciones de "acoso", y asegura que son "otra forma de violencia de género", y añade que estos comportamientos en teoría "constituyen un delito de apología de la violencia de género, y que superan los límites de la libertad de expresión".

Summary: Daygame is sexist and "another form of gender violence" and that these types of actions "go beyond the limits of free speech" according to feminist group.

Never heard of this guy before but I hope his business skyrockets thanks to this publicity.

Post: #24

(03-11-2016 02:17 PM)getdownonit Wrote:  http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2016/03/11/c...41644.html

Apparently there's a "feminist rebellion" against an internet PUA coach in Spain.

Quote:Zarina Kulaeva ha comenzado una campaña en Change.org para cerrar el canal de Youtube de Álvaro Reyes, un joven español que se define como "experto en seducción" y que imparte cursos sobre cómo ligar con mujeres. La petición de Kulaeva había conseguido más de 21.272 firmas —este viernes a las 18.30—. Según denuncia Kulaeva, Reyes imparte lecciones como: "Debemos sobrepasar los límites establecidos para tener éxito con una chica, nunca preguntes si lo puedes hacer; hazlo sin más".

La denunciante expone una de las entradas colgadas por Reyes en su página. “La chica se empezó a comportar como dudando, David y Alejandro la cogieron con total autoridad y la subimos al piso sin rechistar (nota: cuando una chica actúa con inseguridad, guíala tú. Ella necesita un líder que la lleve)”.

Para tener éxito con una chica, nunca preguntes si puedes hacer; hazlo sin más", asegura Álvaro Reyes

La presidenta de la Federación de Mujeres Progresistas, Yolanda Besteiro, asegura que "son contenidos que hacen apología de la violencia de género y es increíble que se puedan difundir impunemente esto solo demuestra el grado de tolerancia de la sociedad". "Si alguien publicara vídeos haciendo apología del racismo no se lo consentirían, pero con contenidos sexistas nadie se extraña", sentencia.

La principal función de estas lecciones es enseñar a los hombres cómo hacer Daygame (seducción diurna), una práctica de ligue que consiste en abordar a mujeres durante el día, en la calle o el metro, para intentar conseguir citas, sus números de teléfono o incluso intentar besarlas a los pocos minutos de haber entablado conversación con ellas. Entre los vídeos también hay tutoriales para hacer que "ellas se vuelva adictas a ti" o "cómo y cuándo tocar a una mujer". Estas lecciones predominan premisas como abandonar "excusas" del tipo "no quiere ser molestada" a la hora de acercarse a una mujer para intentar seducirla.

Los cursos de Reyes enseñan a los hombres cómo hacer Daygame (seducción diurna)

Besteiro califica esta clase de lecciones de "acoso", y asegura que son "otra forma de violencia de género", y añade que estos comportamientos en teoría "constituyen un delito de apología de la violencia de género, y que superan los límites de la libertad de expresión".

Summary: Daygame is sexist and "another form of gender violence" and that these types of actions "go beyond the limits of free speech" according to feminist group.

Never heard of this guy before but I hope his business skyrockets thanks to this publicity.

Feminism...no, not even feminism...more like "hembrismo" as men here in Spain say (hembrismo translates roughly as "girlism") is raging mad in Spain. In Valencia and other cities they just installed traffic lights for "equality". Check it out:

http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/s...er-4956160

Post: #25

Mention of violencia de género - 3 times.
Mention of apología del racismo (!!???!?) - 1 time

Dios mio, que es esto?