Post: #101

Thanks for the Update, Roosh.
During the "mediation", don't let her go away when she'll inevitably cry and say how sorry she is, it's not her fault, it's Susan's, blablabla.

Make an example of her, make her pay.
She has no money? Who cares.
Hit her where it hurts, demand heavy monetary compensations.

This way, other crazies will think twice about publishing lies.

Post: #102

(02-23-2016 12:56 PM)Latan Wrote:  Thanks for the Update, Roosh.
During the "mediation", don't let her go away when she'll inevitably cry and say how sorry she is, it's not her fault, it's Susan's, blablabla.

Make an example of her, make her pay.
She has no money? Who cares.
Hit her where it hurts, demand heavy monetary compensations.

This way, other crazies will think twice about publishing lies.

This.

I said it before, and I'll say it again:

If you don't make an example of her now, it WILL cost you in multiples later on.


I can't say how, and I can't say when, but I know for a fact that going easy on her, in ANY way, shape or form, is not in your best interest. It's not about monetary rewards, it's about letting OTHERS know you are not to be fucked with. Any "Settlement" that doesn't involve a cash-payout, a very public admittance of guilt and a very public apology, ALL ONE RECORD, will cost you down the road. If all some feminist has to do to get away with false rape accusations is hire a semi-competent attorney and tell you "Ok, I won't do it again", she's out maybe 500 bucks. Whoop dee doo. For them, this shit is crack. They LOVE the attention, the media (even if it is only RoK), the thrill that they "made a difference".

Don't reward her bad behavior.

Post: #103

(02-23-2016 06:06 PM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  This.

I said it before, and I'll say it again:

If you don't make an example of her now, it WILL cost you in multiples later on.

I can't say how, and I can't say when, but I know for a fact that going easy on her, in ANY way, shape or form, is not in your best interest. It's not about monetary rewards, it's about letting OTHERS know you are not to be fucked with. Any "Settlement" that doesn't involve a cash-payout, a very public admittance of guilt and a very public apology, ALL ONE RECORD, will cost you down the road.

I have read the update and I am of a similar opinion. You are going to the trouble and expense of an international journey you would not otherwise have made, plus considerable legal fees, in order to attend this mediation. What would be the goal of the false accuser at the mediation? Ultimately, to soften you and your lawyer up, and "make it all go away".

It might be more tolerable to attend the mediation if you were actually in the country, but even then I would be reluctant to attend. I understand your reluctance to attend and why you had to be persuaded by your lawyer.

On the one hand you could appear unreasonable by not accepting the offer of mediation, on the other, were you to decline the offer and go ahead and file suit, you would send a clear message, at least, that anyone who falsely accuses you as she has is absolutely not going to be tolerated. I'd imagine however there may be all sorts of legal subtleties your lawyer may be considering, of which I am ignorant. So perhaps he is correct in his recommendation to attend the proposed mediation.

However, have you asked him the likelihood of 1. Cash Settlement; 2. Complete public admittance of guilt 3. Complete, sincere and unreserved public apology.

If your lawyer considers it likely you can get all three via mediation, then cool. If not, I have to repeat what whateverfuckit just said: if you don't nip this in the bud right now, it will cost you multiples later on. False accusations against the regular joe are plentiful enough; you have serious heat on you man. If you don't send a clear message that you are not to be fucked with, dozens of rape-obsessed degenerates will declare it open season to come out of the shadows and start accusing you of all sorts of crazy shit. It only takes one lunatic's account to be believed by a group of laypeople and you are ruined. You're even taking a risk coming back into the United States for this.

I hate the cringe worthy whining of professional victims as much as any of us, so I am sad to have to resort to such terminology, but in all seriousness, you are the victim here. Remember what she did. She falsely accused you in front of the entire world of rape. Had you not acted swiftly to defend yourself, she would have been happy, indeed ecstatic, to see you get hounded and consumed by the mob, brought to a court of law, and imprisoned for many years, a registered sex offender for life, unable to leave the country, deprived of your freedoms even after you had served your time. Unlikely as this sounds, it's naive to think that western rape hysteria does not lead to any such harrowing outcomes whatsoever.

She was quite happy to ruin you, and it is your right to seek restitution proportional to the severity of those attempts. You are a very public figure. The damage to your reputation alone, even from a theoretical trial based on her false accusations, in which you are completely exonerated, would be bigger than pretty much all of us forum members would willingly endure for the "cause". Indeed most of us cannot reveal true identities because we do not have balls of steel and/or our dependents and the nature of our occupations mean that we cannot risk being public proponents of many ideas posted on this site and others.

If it was me, or my brother, or my father, I would not be as patient and understanding as you have been. A woman publishes a fabricated story falsely accusing you of rape, and you simply ask it to be taken down with an admission of guilt and an apology, and all is forgiven. If it were me, I would say I have been understanding enough, she broadcast to the world that I did this crime when in fact no such crime took place, and now it is just and reasonable to show as much mercy to her as she showed me. But that's just my take on things.

Let us know how it goes and if things really heat up we should start a legal fund or something. You know, that wacko degenerate Ke$ha just got 250K for a false accusation + tears, so if we subtract your white heterosexual male privilege tax of approximately 90% it would take only a hundred of us giving $100 to get you to a five figure sum.

P.S. There are a few quite intelligent posts in the comment section of the "Legal Update" blog post that might help you as well.

Post: #104

"Mediation" leading to some conclusion of her taking it out down and that's that?

Don't do it Roosh, already I think your lawyer is being a little too much a lawyer.

What is there to win from a mediation, I don't see it, unless she does a public apology. She needs to do a public apology, preferably video, that has to be a strict demand if mediations are entered into.

Considering that she still maintains credibility, what exactly should be the outcome of this mediation, again I do not see it. The mediation is the lawyer bs. Mediation is Ted Cruz, libel case is The Don. What would Don do? He destroyed Megyn, then when she was down and defeated he kicked her again. Learn from the master, it has to be a brutality victory. Does the media pull stuff like what Megyn did anymore? Nope.

Post: #105

Quote:What is there to win from a mediation, I don't see it, unless she does a public apology.

What do you think he's going to ask for in the mediation?

Post: #106

(02-23-2016 10:15 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote:What is there to win from a mediation, I don't see it, unless she does a public apology.

What do you think he's going to ask for in the mediation?

I don't know, but I know that mediation sounds exactly like the myriad other similar cases in which the accuser retracts the statement in private, makes no public apology - maybe a private - and then no consequence. Lawyers go home and drink. It's bs legalese lawyering and only lines their pockets.

Post: #107

(02-23-2016 10:21 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 10:15 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote:What is there to win from a mediation, I don't see it, unless she does a public apology.

What do you think he's going to ask for in the mediation?

I don't know, but I know that mediation sounds exactly like the myriad other similar cases in which the accuser retracts the statement in private, makes no public apology - maybe a private - and then no consequence. Lawyers go home and drink. It's bs legalese lawyering and only lines their pockets.

Let me start by saying this: I am not a lawyer.

That said, I do know it's in a lawyers best interest to push mediation in civil cases, and a plea bargain in criminal ones. Why? Because trials are a LOT of work. REAL work. Paperwork, court dates, etc. Thats where an attorneys 80 hour work week comes from, NOT from "mediation" and "plea bargains". Sure, they get paid for their effort, but if YOU were a lawyer, would you rather charge someone for 10 hours of legal work that actually took you only 3 hours of real world effort, or would you rather charge them for 150 hours of legal work, that took you 90 hours of real world effort?

Even a good lawyer is going to put his own interests first. Just don't let this be a "Dr Oz" situation Roosh. Don't think for even a second she has any good nature or honest intentions.

Post: #108

This girl represents the same type of people who have been ruthlessly destroying mens lives lately with out ever feeling a second of remorse. If the roles were reversed she would show you no mercy....

Post: #109

Though I'd like to advocate for a recorded mediation that ends with her in tears, a scenario that ends with the article deleted and Roosh documenting the ordeal via his website and ROK seem reasonable, especially with something ominous like "The article was removed and Jane Gari settled out of court for an undisclosed amount" Even if that amount was a $5 coupon for mcdonalds.

Post: #110

Fly across an ocean just for her to take a webpage down without comment? Whats to stop one of her friends from doing it next week and draining your resources.

No. She needs to make a very public retraction. Without consequence some loser SJW without cash will attempt the same thing the next week,

Post: #111

Don't forget she's reading every word posted about her here. Roosh may have something up his sleeve he doesn't want to reveal publicly.

Post: #112

I am for mediation. Let her retract, privately apologize etc. Why spend the money, and most importantly- time hammering away at someone who is willing to retract? She did have to lawyer up when it got real serious real fast. Roosh will come out of this with an image that reflects reality as a rational and reasonable man.

Who do you make an example of? The one that won't back down, the one that won't retract.

Post: #113

She should be required to pay all of Roosh's legal fees and travel expenses related to pursuing this case.

Post: #114

(02-24-2016 01:47 AM)Alpha_Romeo Wrote:  She should be required to pay all of Roosh's legal fees and travel expenses related to pursuing this case.

She should have to do SOMETHING.

Hiring a lawyer to write a letter/make a phone call costs about $100. To sit down for an hour of mediation, another 200-300, depending on the lawyer.

The chick is out maybe 500 bucks when it's all said and done. Even for a poorish person, that isn't shit.

She needs to PAY. She needs to realize that actions have consequences. You can't overlook everything. This woman intends to do serious damage. And it's not just about her----it's about the precedence set by Rooshs response.

If he swings and knocks her out, other SJWs will think twice before doing something similar. And "calm and rational" isn't something they recognize or respect.

Post: #115

It is about messaging. It is the Donald Trump way that so many of the guys on RVF love.

If Roosh settles, she will get most of the glory. Even her retractions don't minimize the damage she has already done to him. She probably found some white knight lawyer who will do it for free. Even if she admits to lying, there are so many people that will sympathize for her anyway. The victory was there when she took the shot.

In my opinion, all the value is in trying to minimize the damage but still means damage has been done. Taking it the distance will send a clear signal that all who dare lie will be punished. To the point of bankruptcy if necessary for her to discharge the award that Roosh will get by taking it the distance. I imagine someone like her does not have major resources/finances other than her overvalued ego. Anyone with something to lose usually exercises better judgement But still she cannot ask for mercy because she showed none to Roosh. Not even the courtesy for him to comment on her nonsense and now she will ask for mercy? Throw away the sword of feminism and put up the shield of her being a woman and she should be treated like a lady? She is a combatant.

It wasn't like (or it doesn't SEEM) that she has a real information source or that she exercised any professional judgement. She just thought "Fuck it, why not, push my book sales, get me some fame, etc." How many more people are like that? How many people with few resources and are desperate for fame and fortune ?A whole fucking bunch, that is how many and Roosh is a target now. How many desperate people can be reasoned with? The information must be overwhelming for them not to do something stupid. They will find the one small positive of any stupid decision and hang onto it to justify a bad choice. They will refer to this BS article and imagine all these great things that this "writer" got from fabricating a BS article. It has to be clear not one good thing happened for the "writer."

I don't consider myself extreme in my thinking generally. Quite reasonable actually. What I have written here seems very logical. Yes, there is a possibility that Roosh taking it the distance will get more nonsense attacks on him. From what I have observed, he is a very tough person with many allies. Obviously, it is up to him what path he chooses.

But if he mediates each time, then people will think "hmmm lots of attention and internet traffic and sales and maybe I will dye my hair blue and bring my mattress to some State of the Union, what can I lose? 5 dollars (someone mentioned that figure above - I am not mocking the number, just an example) - I blow more than 5 dollars drinking super sugary coffee that is making me fat) - this is an investment in my future.

You cannot reason with unreasonable people. How many times have men of the RVF community tried to in real life just to have it get worse, when you knew the person was not reasonable. If you were dealing with reasonable people then the outcome is usually good. How reasonable is this woman who apparently made up shit and tried to act like an internet bully. Bullies only respond to pain. Go lightly on her, she may be angry enough to do shit (circumvent the agreement etc). Few woman can keep their word when they feel like they are the victim. Do any of you think she sees herself s the aggressor? Take it the distance, she may realize she should just stay out of it forever and, of course, never wrote that article in the first place.

Edit: Why does the expression "give them an inch, they will take a foot" exist?

This image came to mind.

Post: #116

Interesting that Rollo was the first person to bring the article to light, an article that originated on a blog that no one seems to read, and had not been shared/publicized prior that I can find. Hm.

Maybe a tip from a reader of his, who is also a reader of this feminist? Seems unlikely. Either way, why would a tipster go to Rollo instead Roosh directly?

The circumstances seem odd to me.

Post: #117

(02-24-2016 01:56 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  But if he mediates each time, then people will think "hmmm lots of attention and internet traffic and sales and maybe I will dye my hair blue and bring my mattress to some State of the Union, what can I lose? 5 dollars (someone mentioned that figure above - I am not mocking the number, just an example) - I blow more than 5 dollars drinking super sugary coffee that is making me fat) - this is an investment in my future.


Edit: Why does the expression "give them an inch, they will take a foot" exist?

2 small corrections.

I said 5 HUNDRED bucks, not 5. lol

and it's "Give an inch, take a mile".

Post: #118

"LAW 15: CRUSH YOUR ENEMY TOTALLY The real world is unforgiving and shows no mercy. The moment you let your guard down be prepared for someone to take advantage of this opportunity, preventing you from reaching your goals. It's only human nature. No one in this world will show mercy for you so will you show mercy for them? CRUSH your enemy totally then. They will show no mercy for you so in return show none for them. Do not allow them an opportunity to recover. An enemy that you keep around is like a half dead viper that you nurse back to health. If you allow them to recover they will retaliate and it will lead to your downfall. Crush them totally and give no further opportunities. Do not sympathize, do not show pity or hope, do not negotiate. Crush them totally and toss them aside. It may seem cruel and amoral but in the real world it's you or them and you must do what is best for yourself and loved ones. Be the wolf among the sheep. Remove your enemies COMPLETELY or they will remove you."

Post: #119

Thought about it some more and I do not believe you should mediate or show any mercy to this woman. If roles were reversed she would play the victim and rejoice in completely destroying everything you have worked your entire life for. While your lawyer is very good, he is still acting in his own best interests first and foremost.

You were already too kind in your request for retraction and apology. She did not comply. Now she expects you to pay for an international flight plus your lawyer's fees for mediation? You are once again being too kind. This is a woman who has foolishly but nonetheless maliciously attempted to ruin your reputation and life. I do not believe that it is an extreme view that she should be held fully accountable as an adult human being.

Make your lawyer work for you and get the most out of him for the price. Further to that, ask your lawyer to do things which require large amounts of work on the part of the false accuser's lawyer, but relatively little on the part of your own lawyer. Even if you do not obtain significant compensation immediately, large legal expenses would hopefully cripple her into submission.

Everything you did in the recent meetings outrage, culminating in the DC press conference, displayed your firm belief in clear boundaries. In the end, you won, and instilled at the very least a grudging fear, even a very, very grudging respect in some cases, among rabid SJWs. They now know a lot better than before that you are not to be fucked with. Paying your own international flight costs and a lawyer for a "mediation" where the false accuser is likely to hope to get a PP and cry her crimes away is not consistent with the firm boundaries you have always set. Being so excessively accommodating to this creature who sought to ruin your life runs contrary to everything we believe in. I don't think your lawyer completely understands this. It's entirely reasonable to be legally aggressive given that she would have happily let you rot in prison for decades based on her fabrications.

It is only my opinion (of many on here) but I believe you should show her no mercy, because she attempted to ruin your life, because of principle, that a woman cannot get away with such things and should be treated equally to a man, and of course to set precedent that falsely accusing an innocent man is an absolutely heinous act not to be tolerated in any shape or form. A "mediation" is not a step proportional to what she did. Child custody disputes can benefit from mediation. False rape accusations? You throw the book at them, no mercy. As much as is financially practical, ruin her to the fullest extent of the law.

Post: #120

(02-24-2016 01:59 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  Interesting that Rollo was the first person to bring the article to light, an article that originated on a blog that no one seems to read, and had not been shared/publicized prior that I can find. Hm.

Maybe a tip from a reader of his, who is also a reader of this feminist? Seems unlikely. Either way, why would a tipster go to Rollo instead Roosh directly?

The circumstances seem odd to me.

He likely has a webcrawler alert subscription that feeds him anything that appears on the web with certain key words like "Roosh" etc.

Post: #121

(02-24-2016 10:15 AM)C-Note Wrote:  

(02-24-2016 01:59 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  Interesting that Rollo was the first person to bring the article to light, an article that originated on a blog that no one seems to read, and had not been shared/publicized prior that I can find. Hm.

Maybe a tip from a reader of his, who is also a reader of this feminist? Seems unlikely. Either way, why would a tipster go to Rollo instead Roosh directly?

The circumstances seem odd to me.

He likely has a webcrawler alert subscription that feeds him anything that appears on the web with certain key words like "Roosh" etc.

Possibly. Though that'd be quite strange and obsessive for him to set up webcrawler to get notified of anything regarding Roosh.

Post: #122

From Marc Randazza's email letter to S. Jane Gari, sent on 2/19/16:

Quote:While I see the positive trend there, I think it might be more trust-building if she removed the article from public view until after the mediation, or if she made it very clear that her source is completely un-vetted and unconfirmed, with a link to my client’s online denial.

However, I am in no way demanding this as a precondition to mediation. I think that doing so would be counterproductive. I merely suggest it as an act of good faith, which we can build upon going forward.

As of now, five days after this letter was sent, Gari has not complied with any of these (very reasonable) requests.

Roosh has agreed to make an international trip to meet with Gari & her attorney so they can talk the matter over in person — yet Gari cannot so much as add a link to Roosh's rebuttal.

This speaks volumes about Gari's "good faith." She has none. This is a malicious act on her part. She is not willing to be reasonable.

Post: #123

Sometimes even a Scoundrel can be right. Good point.

Post: #124

Quote:Roosh has agreed to make an international trip to meet with Gari & her attorney

I did not make any agreement.

Post: #125

Personally, I see no advantage to settling. The issue here is the accusation. The damage to Roosh is the written, posted accusation. He will forever be "alleged rapist" Roosh in the media. That's only marginally better than "pro-rape activist" of course, but still. When the falsity of the label "alleged rapist" is pointed out, what will be the response? "Oh, a blog post detailing the rape allegations was removed by the blogger as part of a settlement by Roosh against the blogger." That only goes to challenge the blog post itself, and does nothing to discredit the falsity of the actual allegations. Being able to say the blogger was forced to remove the post and apologize for publishing false allegations about Roosh by court order is a lot better from a PR standpoint. And settling an issue like this out of court always leaves doubt in the matter, which will always go against the accused man, as we all know. In fact, it seems to me that even trying the case and losing it because of some SJW judge or whatever leaves Roosh in more or less the same position as settling via mediation, at least in the court of public opinion.

With all of that said, obviously I do not have all or even most of the facts that Roosh and his lawyer have, so there is probably some other angle here that I'm not seeing.