Post: #1

Hello travelers.

I noticed something that Roosh had written about the Russian divorce rate on a couple occasions, which really didn't make sense to me. He noted that Russia has the highest divorce rate in the world. I found it really strange at first. As a result, I believe this may have caused a lot of people to be reluctant to date Russian girls. As an American man who has spent time in Russia and dated many incredible Russian women, I would wish the same pleasures for all other men seeking out the best women in the world.

What I realized is there was actually an accidental misinterpretation of statistics. Roosh has written that Russia has the highest crude divorce rate in the world (number of divorces per 1,000 residents) at 4.8. This is what caused a lot of people to believe that there is something about marriages in Russia that is causing a very high amount of divorces. However, what he probably didn't realize is that Russia also has the highest crude marriage rate. It actually made sense to me in my three years living in Russia. It always seemed like girls spend a lot of time fantasizing about marriage. A lot of the women I dated actually had female friends who were absolutely obsessed with marriage (not with Westerners, but in general) and would get really jealous when they saw other girls get married.

The crude marriage rate in Russia is 9.2. This is much higher than in most Western countries. Basically, Russia is "marriage happy". And a lot of people are too much in a rush to get married and that's a big reason why the "percent of marriages resulting in divorce" is 51. Which pales in comparison to Belgium, with the highest percent of failed marriages in the world: 71 percent. Belarus (in Eastern Europe) is the same as Russia, but with slightly more successful marriages on average. The have the exact same crude marriage rate: 9.2. Their crude divorce rate is 4.1. Which is higher than the number for USA, 3.6, but their marriages end in divorce 45 percent of the time, compared to 53 percent of marriage ending in divorce in the United States.

United States also has a very high crude marriage rate (6.8) and the countries with the highest crude marriage rate in Western Europe are Denmark and Finland, each with 5.6. Generally, it seems that the farther East you go in Eastern Europe, the more you will see both the crude marriage rate and the crude divorce rate rise, however the total number of successful marriages per 1,000 residents in Russia and Belarus is clearly better than almost every nation in Europe and much better than Canada and USA. Therefore, in reality, although the myth perpetuated has been that Russia is a bad place for marriages, ironically this myth has been specifically caused by the fact that so many people in Russia are getting together and starting successful families, despite half of those marriages ending early in divorce. Still, that can be perceived as better than people in other countries who aren't managing to settle down with anybody at all. Basically, if you're a man living in Russia, your chances of settling down and having a good family are sky high. Just make sure not to give in to vodka or the many hot women on the side.

Here's a link to the stats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_de...by_country

Post: #2

(02-14-2016 04:22 AM)bijoux616 Wrote:  Hello travelers.

I noticed something that Roosh had written about the Russian divorce rate on a couple occasions, which really didn't make sense to me. He noted that Russia has the highest divorce rate in the world. I found it really strange at first. As a result, I believe this may have caused a lot of people to be reluctant to date Russian girls. As an American man who has spent time in Russia and dated many incredible Russian women, I would wish the same pleasures for all other men seeking out the best women in the world.

What I realized is there was actually an accidental misinterpretation of statistics. Roosh has written that Russia has the highest crude divorce rate in the world (number of divorces per 1,000 residents) at 4.8. This is what caused a lot of people to believe that there is something about marriages in Russia that is causing a very high amount of divorces. However, what he probably didn't realize is that Russia also has the highest crude marriage rate. It actually made sense to me in my three years living in Russia. It always seemed like girls spend a lot of time fantasizing about marriage. A lot of the women I dated actually had female friends who were absolutely obsessed with marriage (not with Westerners, but in general) and would get really jealous when they saw other girls get married.

The crude marriage rate in Russia is 9.2. This is much higher than in most Western countries. Basically, Russia is "marriage happy". And a lot of people are too much in a rush to get married and that's a big reason why the "percent of marriages resulting in divorce" is 51. Which pales in comparison to Belgium, with the highest percent of failed marriages in the world: 71 percent. Belarus (in Eastern Europe) is the same as Russia, but with slightly more successful marriages on average. The have the exact same crude marriage rate: 9.2. Their crude divorce rate is 4.1. Which is higher than the number for USA, 3.6, but their marriages end in divorce 45 percent of the time, compared to 53 percent of marriage ending in divorce in the United States.

United States also has a very high crude marriage rate (6.8) and the countries with the highest crude marriage rate in Western Europe are Denmark and Finland, each with 5.6. Generally, it seems that the farther East you go in Eastern Europe, the more you will see both the crude marriage rate and the crude divorce rate rise, however the total number of successful marriages per 1,000 residents in Russia and Belarus is clearly better than almost every nation in Europe and much better than Canada and USA. Therefore, in reality, although the myth perpetuated has been that Russia is a bad place for marriages, ironically this myth has been specifically caused by the fact that so many people in Russia are getting together and starting successful families, despite half of those marriages ending early in divorce. Still, that can be perceived as better than people in other countries who aren't managing to settle down with anybody at all. Basically, if you're a man living in Russia, your chances of settling down and having a good family are sky high. Just make sure not to give in to vodka or the many hot women on the side.

Here's a link to the stats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_de...by_country

interesting. Could you elaborate more on your time in russia? I am fascinated with russian girls and would love to go asap.

Post: #3

Probably has something to do with Russian men drinking too much, and relying on beatings instead of game to manage their wives.

That said, the most relevant advice I have for any RVF member considering wifing up a Russian girl, or indeed any foreign girl is this - become fluent in her language to a native or near native level.

If you don't speak her language, you will never understand her culture. And if you don't understand her culture, it is pretty unrealistic to expect a marriage to last.

Post: #4

The type of divorce also matters a lot. A divorce due to a man trading in his wife for a younger and tighter model is very different from a woman cucking a man and departing on an Eat Pray Love trip.

Post: #5

These kind of stats are quite meaningless without more variables. It's like that stat of 3/4 businesses failing within 5 years. That should stop any smart man from starting a business but we still encourage it. That's because a lot of business are clueless people opening restaurants and all kinds of small shops without market research.

The same with marriages, where there is a large socio-economic factor in particular men making less money and being less educated. Some stats I've seen show unemployed men have 3 times the divorce rates of self employed or high level management men.

It's quite simple, the more financially successful a guy is and the more independent he is compared to his wife, the less the risk of divorce. I don't know about the stats in the US which are skewed because of insane financial incentives for women, but I would guess in Russia, the high divorce stats is because a lot of Russian men work low paying jobs or become unemployed.

Post: #6

^ Yes, in America you have a few currents going against marriage.

* Women have the ability to easily make any amount of money they want

* The laws incentivize women to divorce and have children out of wedlock

* The culture celebrates single Motherhood because symbolically it's viewed as an effort to be the One all in and of itself. (Masculine/Feminine) If she is doing it All, then she is the All. (i.e. God)

Post: #7

(02-14-2016 04:50 AM)Kale_anonymous Wrote:  

(02-14-2016 04:22 AM)bijoux616 Wrote:  Hello travelers.

I noticed something that Roosh had written about the Russian divorce rate on a couple occasions, which really didn't make sense to me. He noted that Russia has the highest divorce rate in the world. I found it really strange at first. As a result, I believe this may have caused a lot of people to be reluctant to date Russian girls. As an American man who has spent time in Russia and dated many incredible Russian women, I would wish the same pleasures for all other men seeking out the best women in the world.

What I realized is there was actually an accidental misinterpretation of statistics. Roosh has written that Russia has the highest crude divorce rate in the world (number of divorces per 1,000 residents) at 4.8. This is what caused a lot of people to believe that there is something about marriages in Russia that is causing a very high amount of divorces. However, what he probably didn't realize is that Russia also has the highest crude marriage rate. It actually made sense to me in my three years living in Russia. It always seemed like girls spend a lot of time fantasizing about marriage. A lot of the women I dated actually had female friends who were absolutely obsessed with marriage (not with Westerners, but in general) and would get really jealous when they saw other girls get married.

The crude marriage rate in Russia is 9.2. This is much higher than in most Western countries. Basically, Russia is "marriage happy". And a lot of people are too much in a rush to get married and that's a big reason why the "percent of marriages resulting in divorce" is 51. Which pales in comparison to Belgium, with the highest percent of failed marriages in the world: 71 percent. Belarus (in Eastern Europe) is the same as Russia, but with slightly more successful marriages on average. The have the exact same crude marriage rate: 9.2. Their crude divorce rate is 4.1. Which is higher than the number for USA, 3.6, but their marriages end in divorce 45 percent of the time, compared to 53 percent of marriage ending in divorce in the United States.

United States also has a very high crude marriage rate (6.8) and the countries with the highest crude marriage rate in Western Europe are Denmark and Finland, each with 5.6. Generally, it seems that the farther East you go in Eastern Europe, the more you will see both the crude marriage rate and the crude divorce rate rise, however the total number of successful marriages per 1,000 residents in Russia and Belarus is clearly better than almost every nation in Europe and much better than Canada and USA. Therefore, in reality, although the myth perpetuated has been that Russia is a bad place for marriages, ironically this myth has been specifically caused by the fact that so many people in Russia are getting together and starting successful families, despite half of those marriages ending early in divorce. Still, that can be perceived as better than people in other countries who aren't managing to settle down with anybody at all. Basically, if you're a man living in Russia, your chances of settling down and having a good family are sky high. Just make sure not to give in to vodka or the many hot women on the side.

Here's a link to the stats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_de...by_country

interesting. Could you elaborate more on your time in russia? I am fascinated with russian girls and would love to go asap.

Elaborate on what specifically?

Post: #8

(02-14-2016 09:27 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  Probably has something to do with Russian men drinking too much, and relying on beatings instead of game to manage their wives.

That said, the most relevant advice I have for any RVF member considering wifing up a Russian girl, or indeed any foreign girl is this - become fluent in her language to a native or near native level.

If you don't speak her language, you will never understand her culture. And if you don't understand her culture, it is pretty unrealistic to expect a marriage to last.

Well, like I said, I think a lot of Russian girls are overexcited to get married. Beyond that, there are some shitty, superficial Russian women too (just like everywhere), but in all fairness it seems like divorces are usually due to the man's faults there. Most Russian girls are a close to the real deal women as you could possibly get.

As for the language, YES. Big point right there. I would really advise speaking to any foreign girls in their own language. Besides Northern European girls (Scandinavian/German speaking), you're clearly better off knowing a girl's language. And personally I don't feel quite comfortable relying on her linguistic skills, rather than my own. And yes, you won't fully understand her otherwise. My other point though that I would say, is the best girls I've met in Russia were girls that are proud patriots and that aren't very good at English. In fact, a girl speaking English too well in Russia is usually a turn-off. Girls that like English/USA a lot are usually users and also they embody certain qualities from the West that I don't like. They're also too easy for me. I want to feel like I won the girl over based on my own personality and not because of some nationality advantage. Plus I don't even like USA very much lol. I love Russian culture though.

Post: #9

(02-14-2016 10:26 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  These kind of stats are quite meaningless without more variables. It's like that stat of 3/4 businesses failing within 5 years. That should stop any smart man from starting a business but we still encourage it. That's because a lot of business are clueless people opening restaurants and all kinds of small shops without market research.

The same with marriages, where there is a large socio-economic factor in particular men making less money and being less educated. Some stats I've seen show unemployed men have 3 times the divorce rates of self employed or high level management men.

It's quite simple, the more financially successful a guy is and the more independent he is compared to his wife, the less the risk of divorce. I don't know about the stats in the US which are skewed because of insane financial incentives for women, but I would guess in Russia, the high divorce stats is because a lot of Russian men work low paying jobs or become unemployed.

Nice observation.