Post: #76

In general, here in Brazil:

Status ( money&power ) - Every girl maybe except for alternative girls, rockers and hippies.
Facial looks - Every girl but mostly the young ones.
Muscles - Milfs, female bodybuilders and sluts.

Most of the times the hottest girl in a social circle is fucking the guy who has more of these three requirements. I'm not talking about inner things as vibe, confidence, intelligence, game and etc.

Post: #77

(01-31-2016 08:15 AM)Hoo Wrote:  My girl who is usually generous with ratings, rated him 4 Add small height/frame and you can see why he felt fucked.

Yeah, but you need to remember men rate women with an equal number of of 1-10s, but women rate men exponentially with just a few men at the top and the vast amount at the bottom, that's been proven statistically many times. So 4 would be above or at least average. If she knew he's a psychopatic killer that probably didn't help either.

Women would have rated him more attractive if he were more masculine and bigger, and that can be changed by just lifting a lot of weights. Unfortunately he didn't.

Post: #78

(01-31-2016 02:33 AM)ComebackKid Wrote:  I started that thread, because this one got completely derailed where people didn't even bother to read op and instead launched standard game vs looks debate.

Again, you're trying to prove a point and the way you're doing it appears tryhard. This is a GAME forum, not a looks and facial features forum unless it's BODY which I truly believe is part of game. See below.

(01-31-2016 02:33 AM)ComebackKid Wrote:  Is it gay to be interested in to how to be more physically attractive to women in a forum where one of the primary purposes is to get pussy? I didn't see you yelling gay on a billion of threads on how body affects game.

It's NOT gay to be interested in being more physically attractive but the way you're going about it is the same way a woman would go about looks, which is gay coming from a male forum member. The combination of your last thread, other posts and this thread imply that the amount of significance and consideration your mind provides to face, height and body are higher than your consideration provided for game. Furthermore, you then delve further into looks and imply FACE is more sjgnificant than other physical characteristics, in turn further lowering the value and consideration for game, implicitly. I see it from a mile when newbies do this; they generally do it to blur the lines between game and looks in order to convince themselves that it's okay and rest their head on a pillow of excuses. I know what you're doing. It's somewhat common in younger men with lower amount of confidence. I'm not saying mine is at "godlike" levels but I have made significant progress in it; so I know the cycle well.

Speaking of body, the reason I don't scream gay at those threads is because building a body requires effort. Lots of hours in the gym, nutrition, form etc. That's not the same as putting on eyeliner, getting your nose pierced, hair colored and definitely not even the same as a "cool" haircut. Lifting increases testosterone which is a key if not significant component of masculine confidence. Read: Masculine NOT feminine.

(01-31-2016 02:33 AM)ComebackKid Wrote:  On game vs looks my quick summary would be:...

I did not read further because your advice is not credible. You have not dropped so much as ONE SINGLE approach in the approach thread or one data sheet or even a single meet up rep from a vetted member. If I want opinions like yours, I can go onto reddit and Facebook and read what the other millions of gameless and socially awkward incels have to say while they jack each other off.

I would say that at this point, lay off on creating these threads and even posts that make cavalier statements. Be humble. Learn from others here because you have a long way to go. Have you done any cold approaches? Do you lift?

I haven't reported you yet because you seem misguided. However, I'm getting to the point I may do just that if I see more posts like this. Not just from you, OP, but there are a few others out there as well that are keyboard jockeying for attention. That's not good for anyone.

Post: #79

(01-31-2016 09:28 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(01-31-2016 02:33 AM)ComebackKid Wrote:  On game vs looks my quick summary would be:...

I did not read further because your advice is not credible. You have not dropped so much as ONE SINGLE approach in the approach thread or one data sheet or even a single meet up rep from a vetted member. If I want opinions like yours, I can go onto reddit and Facebook and read what the other millions of gameless and socially awkward incels have to say while they jack each other off.

This guy is what I call a "failed member".

Signed up 4 years ago, hasn't a single non-banned rep, and he's still at the point where he's looks trolling. He just hasn't gotten it. This 'comeback kid' has done nothing of the sort.

I exhort OP to do one of two things.
1) Improve what you can improve, present what attractive traits you can, move to the most favourable dating market you are able, and go out and chase women. Post questions for specific advice here after you have done this for at least a week.
2) Don't come back. People like you drag down the vibe of this place and are anathema to Roosh's philosophies. We want to see level-headed men working to better themselves, not neurotic demotivators.

Post: #80

I have seen muscle bound guys sitting alone at the bar whilst skinny pretty boys get all the girls.

Post: #81

Having a pretty male face hinders learning game and true potential. Most men expect women to behave as men in the fact that we as men tend to rate women based on physical attractiveness/beauty. We, until we learn more about women's behavior, expect the same of women. I've gotten cat-called by women, told I should become a model, groped on my ass, groped on my dick, told I have pretty eyes a countless number of times, hit on by fags, etc. To the un-knowledgeable observer, it would appear that this would translate into a lot of sex. It didn't most of the time. I relied on my looks entirely til ≈4 years back when I discovered this forum and the apply-able knowledge found here. In high school, I knew there was more that had to be done to be able to get chicks instead of just looking good. Then in college, damn near all the "bad" bitches were fucking with athletes and frat boys of all looks and sizes. As WIA has said a while back: "looks open, game closes."

Post: #82

(01-29-2016 07:44 PM)Onto Wrote:  I don't know man. I had a buddy in college who was 5'4", skinny, and had the most busted pepperoni-face you every saw. He didn't give a fuck though and was a very funny, outgoing guy who pulled very hot ass. I always shook my head in disbelief at the women he would snag.

I think the #1 thing women are attracted to is personality.

There's a tendency in game circles to "boil things down".

That's a male trait, but you're not dealing with men.

You're dealing with women.

In sequential order
1. Height
2. Facial Attractiveness
- bone/cartilage structure & fat distribution
- eyes - brightness and color
- can be made better with hair
- jaws can be made square, and fat can be drained through strength training and proper diet
3. HAIR - on your head or on your fac
4. Overall Physical fitness
^^Let's call these "genetic markers" or signs of "fitness"

A pretty face means pretty babies.
A strong body means she can be protected.

As you walk over she notices
4. Your personal body language
5. Your social "wake" - how other people are reacting to you. Do the defer, or are you getting chumped. With women, whether they lean or look away
6. Your style/sense of fashion
- are you dressing like a boss(like literally a manager)
- are you in some cool social group
- do you know how to show off your best features
^^let's call this your social presence

When you finally step up
7. Your relative size to her
8. Your Smell
- cologne, body order
- breath
^^This is really an amalgamation of the 2 above. But leans more towards the primal

__________________________________________
Some of the above
- impossible to change - bone structure, height (w/o surgery)
- some is hard to change - fitness, how you move,
- some is every easy - odor, how people react to you, your style, your hair

_____________________________________________________________

But that's when you start talking.

Now for those of you haven't been in the night life, or seen a ton of other guys approach, you might not have the set of mental references necessary to understand the game.

A guy can have all everything above be perfect, but his first words/his first impression can destroy all the good will his appearance has done for him.

Maybe dude is too full of himself.
Maybe he's a jerk.
Maybe he's dumb.

High end or low end, a man's first impression of who he is, the first slice of his personality can turn him from a HARD yes, to HELL FUCKING NO.

Even for guys new to the game, this is understandable and reasonable. guy can look perfect, but present poorly.

Sometimes a guy can be so attractive that a chick will overlook small things, and basically she'll try and bang him, instead of the other way around.

............

But what about the guy who has doesn't have a lot of the visual things working for him?

If you understand game, you know that you can walk into a situation looking average. Nothing special, maybe a little ugly, geeky, chubby, ill dressed.

For guys new to the game, this is crazy talk.

Those of us who've been doing this a while, and take notes of where negative game philosophies fail - we see it fairly regularly.

WIA

Post: #83

It depends on country, but generally in the west it's actually like this:

1: Face
- eye shape / bone structure
- skin quality
- ...
2: Height
3: Natural frame
4: Muscle/fat redistribution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jrqpn60d4A

Look at the comments on this video. This 9/10 autistic kid could get laid if he was just able to stand still and say "hello".

I've been going out for 7 years on and off(in the west) And I have yet to see ugly guy pull hot girl. In general I'd say ugly guy(4) has to approach ~300-500 women for a lay.
Very good looking guy ~30 or even less.

Like someone said on previous page, there are more important things to do in life then picking up women.
That's life. It's unfair and it sometime it sucks, get over it.

Post: #84

I wonder what the secret lurker female trolls with accounts here have to say on this.

Post: #85

I thought this was another looks vs game argument.

Then I had a look at the thread title again, its:

"Girls put much more value on a guy's face than any other physical feature."

I think some others here might have missed that too. This isn't a looks vs game / personality / lifestyle argument.

It is simply which is the most important physical feature. Is it height? Or muscles, overall fitness? youthfulness? hair? fashion? Or does having a good looking face matter more than those other physical features? I think it might, especially as you can't change your face as easily.

Post: #86

^ For which girl?

I've seen girls swoon over every type. Google "7ft POF", hillarious.

You guys want to insist that female attraction is uniform, but it's not going to be, no matter how much you chose to ignore it so you can enjoy expressing your opinion on "what's best?".

Facial attractiveness and height are always the best things to have simply because you can't earn more of them. You can only try to earn them for your offspring by winning over a more beautiful wife.

It's also completely friggin irrelevant to question which is more attractive for that same reason.

Post: #87

(01-31-2016 11:18 PM)Hoo Wrote:  It depends on country, but generally in the west it's actually like this:

1: Face
- eye shape / bone structure
- skin quality
- ...
2: Height
3: Natural frame
4: Muscle/fat redistribution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jrqpn60d4A

Look at the comments on this video. This 9/10 autistic kid could get laid if he was just able to stand still and say "hello".

I've been going out for 7 years on and off(in the west) And I have yet to see ugly guy pull hot girl. In general I'd say ugly guy(4) has to approach ~300-500 women for a lay.
Very good looking guy ~30 or even less.

Like someone said on previous page, there are more important things to do in life then picking up women.
That's life. It's unfair and it sometime it sucks, get over it.

Think it was me who said that. Thats why I do not blame some people (like me haha) for opting out of game. But even then, weight lifting, sports (which I play) and even just talking to women and men (like I do) can help your social skills.

I bet for all the people who complain or are down about their , they have one or more feature that they are good about. They just need to search within. I do not like my looks but I tell myself, for every one thing I am poor at, there is at least one thing I am good at,which makes up for it (not from a game perspective, just in life in general).

Post: #88

(01-30-2016 05:10 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  Here's a picture of me. Are you denying the fact that I'm a 10?

Stop the trolling. We all know 10s don't exist in real life. But I'll admit you are a hard 9. A custom suit might take you to 9.5.

(01-30-2016 05:10 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  On a serious note, you need to spend less time on Bodybuilding.com Misc forums and go out in real life. Every one of you guys staunchly advocating for facial aesthetics sound young, inexperienced and seem to have constructed half your principles about life from whatever drivel in churned out on the Misc.

^ I stand by his analysis.


I see three categories of guys in this thread:
1) why?
2) how am I going to do it?
3) how have I done it and how will I keep doing it?

Too many of you guys are in category 1 and are focusing all your energy on "why does that guy get girls?" or "why don't I get girls?" Those comments only create excuses and guys giving us an analysis of Elliott Rodger's cheekbones. Enough of that already. We are more interested in "how".

I still have a lot to learn so tell me how I can improve. Tell us how we can improve these physical features. WIA gave you a template in post #82. Pick something from his list and give us some actionable information on how we can improve something.

Post: #89

You guys keep thinking girl's put more value on a guy's face.

Personality and charm will get you into a girl's panties quicker than anything.

I have seen it too many times, hot chick with a busted dude. Some countries you go to (FSU/EE) that is all you see.

Post: #90

No point putting yourself down. Why get downbeat on something you can do nothing about (i.e height or color of eyes) ?

Life is unfair, life does not usually have a fairytale ending and that is how it is.

I dont game, but I try and dress smart (for uni and when I work as a pharmacy student in the summer). I try and maximise my looks (that might be from a 2 to a 4 or a 5), so I can just look proffesional in the public eye. Ok, people here may laugh, but I owe it to myself to reach that 5 from a 2 by putting some effort in every morning and looking at the mirror.

When I was younger, I used to make jokes about how ugly I thought I was and people used to laugh. I liked the idea of making people laugh, I like being a joker, being fun to be around but I realized that this was slowly eating up my confidence and self esteem. Ive stopped doing this now, I put pride into how I look but Im still the same joker who would do anything (mostly involving pissing of women) for a nice good laugh with mates.

The point is that no matter how bad you think you have it, we are all in a lucky position (even me who many people ridicule for being a virgin). Have pride in yourself, look up rather than down, and you will be surprised how quickly days pass by, just try and enjoy yourself instead of getting hung on things you can do fuck all about

Post: #91

#1 Confidence
#2 Sociability
#3 Frame
#4 Swag/style
#5 Looks

So many factors like your race, the women's stage of her life/age, and city/country play a huge role in your results...

Post: #92

(01-30-2016 02:42 PM)greekgod Wrote:  Lets get something straight here; women are beyond fickle, to say they value one trait over another in absolute terms means you're spending toooooo much time on "game theory" and in an echo chamber.

Two 21 year olds are at a Superbowl after party; one may fuck the suave, high school QB good looks twenty something business man with 500K to his name and the other may fuck his 55 year old business partner with decades of status, millions of dollars, and a less than great mug. Either way, they are fucking.

If you google why women have sex(I clicked a Hpost headline about this once, very gay, I know), the answers will make you wish you hadnt read this thread. Now, whether or not you believe their answers (we know better) is another story.

What the OP is really trying to make a case for is inbound vs. outbound. Facial attractiveness gets you noticed, inbound, no effort on your part except showing up. Status, posture, dress, tonality, cadence, or the way you carry yourself require outbound effort (you have to minimally think about it until it becomes unconscious) to make yourself known.

Now the reality is; you still have a few steps to go after getting noticed to seal the deal. This is where "game" comes into play. Unless ofcourse you're in HS or college, then good looks will generally be enough. Even so, its never the best looking boy (can't believe I'm typing this) that gets the most ass. Its the one with the most social capital.

Don't believe me? Great, lets send college aged pretty boy from Malibu and his girlfriends on a road trip to the desert. Uh, oh, their car breaks down. They make their way into a biker bar and are stuck there for 12 hours. Guess what chico? Malibu boys just lost their girls to those ugly ass, unkempt bikers.

Now do the opposite, bikers end up in pretty boys club in LA. Yeah, they will be outcasts but I can guarantee plenty of girls will make themselves available.

Its survival instinct; Status>Looks.

You are suggesting a very feminine mindset when it comes to game; what you are blessed with is where your station is in life.

EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, wrong. You're a man, you can be whoever you want, and a dude with true presence that comes from the formation of trying and failing and eventually succeeding will generally be more attractive. Their innergame is rock solid and that wins the test of time.

All that being said; looks sure as shit help and definitely help one gain status. Everything is tied together.

Yes, Greek God with the unified theory.

I think there is a tiny portion of women that can be wholesome if socialized properly - loyal, nurturing and cooperative. The socialized properly part has ... all but vanished. Sadly.

As someone else said, there's really only 2 things you get from women: sex and taking care of you (femininity). The only other thing I could add would be the fear aspect of "growing old" so later on its "companionship".

I'm a believer in traditional living. I think I'm getting cynical though because the only ones that offer the above characteristics anymore are girls who barely give you (me, actually, the royal you) a boner.

Which sucks.

Post: #93

Status is the overriding factor in pussy. There is a reason men fuck only one type of woman [Hot] and women fuck thousands of different types of men. Money, looks, confidence, muscle, talent, personality, social circle etc etc etc… These are all contributors of status.

There is a reason every single time these threads pop up, you have everyone providing different anecdotal evidence on the types of men they've seen slay. The common denominator is that in one way or another, all these men have status in certain environments. The more status you have [From whatever attribute] the more pussy you will get.

In other words… Face, body, money, confidence… It doesn't matter. Overall value will be attributed to one as a whole, and there is no tangible way to weigh which singular attribute holds the most weight as no one person it just one singular attribute.

Post: #94

The question here should be whether looks help.

In a scenario with two guys, everything equal, the guy with the good looks or is physically attractive is going to get laid more, have more options, and be able to afford making mistakes.

A guy that has unattractive features (short, ugly, etc) will always be working with a disadvantage. However, this does not mean that they cannot pull. Far from it (as shown from the anecdote evidence in this thread). They just need to overcompensate in other areas. They will never get a free pass the same way that a physically attractive guy will, so they need more personality, better game, bigger muscles, fancier clothes & cars, higher status, etc.

No point denying this fact, it's just the way it is. All else being equal, women will never have the same visceral response to a guy who is 5'5" and 140 lbs as they will to a guy who is 6'4" and 240 lbs. Physically unattractive guys are basically playing the game on a higher difficulty setting. So if you're physically unattractive you have to stack the deck in your favor in other ways. Don't deny that fact, own it. You will have to try harder to get the same results. Embrace that as an opportunity to make yourself the best you can be.