Post: #1

I have been reading this forum for a brief period now, and during that time i notice this manosphere belief in a future masculine renaissance that will happen.

I don't think it will happen.

What i am about to write is very anecdotal, i know; However, i think it is a reflection of a bigger problem.

During the snowstorm/blizzard a couple of days ago(last week, actually); a few things developed at work that sheds light on the corrosive depth of whiteknighting, female entitlement and pussy pass.

Even though it happened at my Company, i think it is a reflection of society at large.

DAY 1: On friday 22nd Jan of 2016.

Due to the blizzard/snowstorm, the Company had us staying at these Homewood suites of the Hilton Hotel. The accommodation was quite good.

Since we were all holed up, some of us decide to have some party. Some of us guys drove up to get some alcohol(including myself), some brought weed, etc.

It was a bunch of us and we were having a great time, then we decided to invite the ladies to come and join us; the girls decided to join us... that is when things got a little problematic. Because the ladies brought with them 4 men that went all whiteknights/cockblockers on us.

The department that i work at doesn't have any girl at all; however, the sales department, assessment department, etc have a bunch of ladies. These ladies decide to join us and have some fun...(in case, you are wondering, they(women) didn't bring anything to the party.)

The trouble began when those 4 guys that work in the same department as these ladies, decided to scare them(the ladies) about drinking and smoking with us. Raising all sorts of bullshit concerns about Company policy, employee terminations, drug test, etc. Of course, how all these partying and reveling could be reported back to the directors and supervisors, etc. (which is what eventually happened due to the white knights.)

There are few beings in this world i hate more than white knights.

The ladies were scared and left en-masse to another room. The white knights decided to not tell us where the ladies went and tried their damn best to prevent us from joining them and the ladies.

This is what i couldn't wrap my mind around: Instead of everybody just relaxing, having a lot of fun, talking, joking and just partying during the 2 days we were holed up in the Hiltons. A bunch of white knights and cock-blockers decided to break it up by scaring the ladies away; then organizing themselves to only be admitted to the ladies newer location.

Why? Why act like that? Why the fuck why?

These are men that are clearly and willing to let you lose your job just because of the faintest smell of pussy; which none of them ever ended up fucking. They reported the issue to management and make it seems like they were trying to protect the women from harrassment and potential Company policy violations.

When i was later talked to, I completely and categorically denied ever doing any drugs, etc. or smoking any weed. Right now i don't know what the supervisors and departmental directors will do, because the issue has already reached their ears(thanks to the white knights).

The white knighters/cockblockers make it seems like they were doing all this because they have the back of their female co-workers; that they were just trying to prevent them from getting into trouble.

We men are our own worst enemies.

White knights will go to great lengths, than to let you inconvenience some dumb bitch. They may be your "friend", but will not hesitate to destroy your career or life just to please some dumb broad.

When about 5 of us sat at the same table during lunch, and talked all sorts of un-PC shit about the ladies and what sort of dirty thing we want to do to them. One of the white knights named V. strongly barred us from having these types of conversation because "These girls are my friends and it is very disrespectful and i am extremely uncomfortable; when you guys talk about their asses".

It is very difficult to just outright ostracize him because he will then turn around and make us the bad guy-- by telling people how we are mean to him for respecting and standing up for his female co-workers.

Even during the party, when one of the girls(on learning that i bought half of the liquor), she turned around to tell me that next time i should buy a specific kind of alcohol she liked. My reaction to her was "why would i do that for you?", "what is in it for me?" She was speechless. I guess she is not used to men reacting like that to her pretty ass. One of the white knights immediately play-hit me on the arm to let me know my reply was inappropriate. My response? I looked at him and said "i don't give a fuck."

3 days afterwards(25th of January, monday, 2016) that same guy named G. then told me, that my comment about how "i don't give a fuck" hurt his feelings. That it offended him. I shit you not by the thousand gods of old. My first comment was "Was the girl herself offended?". G replied "No. But i am. My feelings are hurt" Basically, his feelings were hurt/offended on behalf of the girl(who wasn't offended).

Gentlemen, your masculine revolution is a long, looooonnng way from home.


DAY 2: Saturday, 23rd of Jan, 2016

One of the girls called B. wanted me to shovel the snow from her car. She claimed her back hurts, etc. This was one of the girls that went with the white knights on 21st of January. I replied to her by politely telling her to ask G(white knight that i apparently hurt his feelings) for help. Then i walked away from her.

She wasn't the only one. There was another girl named M. that wanted me to help her remove the snow from her car too. (it was buried to the hilt.). I completely refused. When some of the men heard about this, i told them "I am not her boyfriend. She is not sucking my dick. I am not the guy fucking her. Let her get her boyfriend to do it". With the exception of 3 cool motherfuckers, the rest of the men reacted in mild shock to my reply. "How dare dr. kahn react like that!". What you see outside the building of our Company was men after men helping these "strong, independent" ladies shovel the snow from their cars.

The most outrageous example belongs to the case of a guy named S.

WE had to carpooled back and forth from work to the Hilton Hotel; I came in the car with S and his car was buried in snow the next day. So we had to shovel the snow away from his car/tires to move his car out.

Guess what S did?

Instead of helping D.G and I shovel the snow away from his car9S. drove both of us back and forth from work to the hotel). He decided to take the shovel and started shoveling the snow from a girl's car. The best part? The girl was inside the building completely oblivious to the fact that, S was shoveling the snow away from her car. I know all this because i was flabbergasted by his actions, so i talked to him about it. Basically his thought process was "i will take the initiative to shovel the snow from this girl's car without her knowing about it; so that when she came out of the building, she will be pleasantly surprised that some random person has shoveled the snow from her car. Then she will realize that it is me that did it. And because of my forethought and caring attitude, i might get some pussy".

LET ME REPEAT THAT AGAIN: Instead of shoveling the snow from his own car; he preferred to expend energy shoveling snow from a girls car. The girl in question neither asked for this help, nor knew about it.(she was inside the building all this time.). In the hope that when she finally knows about it, she will be impressed and gave up her pussy.

I couldn't hide my absolute, raging disgust at him even though S is my superior at work.

This and many other cases is why i think the problem is not the women per se. IT IS THE MEN. It is our fault. And i am pretty sure we as men are not going to rise up anytime soon. Pussy effect on men is simply too strong for that.

--Dr. Kahn

ADDENDUM:
Right now, i am drinking a lot of cranberries, green tea and water to flush the THC from the weed out of my system; just in case they(Company) decided to organize and impose a drug test on us. Because by now, the directors and supervisors already heard about the party and the weed, etc from the white knights/cockblockers. Throwing another man career, etc under the bus just in the faintest hope of impressing some broad to score some ass.



Good luck to your neomasculinist revolution, but i won't hold my breath.



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Post: #2

Cool story bro.

Post: #3

When a bunch of guys move the women elsewhere and don't tell you the new location - that's not white knighting. That's cockblocking. They're trying to increase their chances by making the ratio more favorable, which isn't a bad thing.

If you didn't know these guys you should have tried doing the same thing, excluding a few of them. Now you know they're a bunch of faggots. You can get even.

Post: #4

We knew each other. Sat together at the lunch tables many times, etc. About 25% of the men in my department always try and chat up every attractive girls in sight. So we've sat with them, talked with them, joked with them, etc several times. I guess all these times those men(in other department) secretly resented us for this. There is a reason those ladies decided to come over and join us rather than just spent the whole evening and night with those white knights/cockblockers. We are simply more fun. However, the whiteknights/cockblockers are clearly more ruthless, their counter-measures was effective(although it didn't result in them getting any pussy)

The ladies were originally with the white knights.

K and D texted the girls. The girls came over to our spot ditching the white knights/cockblockers spot.

The whiteknights/cockblockers must have hated this.

The Whiteknights/cockblockers came with the girls to our spot, and proceeded to make the weed smoking at the Company's sponsored Hilton Hotel a big issue.

The girls got scared and retreated to a different location.

The whiteknights/cockblockers won't tell us the girls new location-- so they ended up being the only ones to join the girls at this new location. It is bitch-made, but machiavellian.


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(01-28-2016 08:12 PM)Hades Wrote:  When a bunch of guys move the women elsewhere and don't tell you the new location - that's not white knighting. That's cockblocking. They're trying to increase their chances by making the ratio more favorable, which isn't a bad thing.

If you didn't know these guys you should have tried doing the same thing, excluding a few of them. Now you know they're a bunch of faggots. You can get even.

Post: #5

Good story.

I actually go to a Dr. Khan, but I highly doubt you're the same one.

My snow story is somewhat different, and much more masculine. I went out to shovel on Sunday, after my 10 year old son and 13 year old stepson had been out for hours screwing around. I started shoveling while they went in. Suddenly heard a shovel behind my truck. I looked up, and it was one of the neighbors. We have a house next door that we suspect is inhabited by illegals, with a lot of people coming and going, and tons of cars. But they're quiet and keep to themselves. Anyway, it started with one, I suspect in his 20's. Then an older man, then about 3 younger boys are all helping me shovel my driveway and walk. It got done in no time. Only one understood enough English to communicate, but all that was necessary was "Thank you" and "Gracias". The one that spoke the most English mentioned that they helped a few other neighbors.

Glad to have other men in the neighborhood.

Post: #6

(01-28-2016 08:17 PM)Dr. Kahn Wrote:  We knew each other. Sat together at the lunch tables many times, etc. About 25% of the men in my department always try and chat up every attractive girls in sight. So we've sat with them, talked with them, joked with them, etc several times. I guess all these times those men(in other department) secretly resented us for this. There is a reason those ladies decided to come over and join us rather than just spent the whole evening and night with those white knights/cockblockers. We are simply more fun. However, the whiteknights/cockblockers are clearly more ruthless, their counter-measures was effective(although it didn't result in them getting any pussy)
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You think corporate cut-throat behavior ends at the lunch table?

Post: #7

I am learning. I am new to the corporate world, having just obtained my degree.

(01-28-2016 08:30 PM)Eirykr Wrote:  You think corporate cut-throat behavior ends at the lunch table?

Post: #8

You shouldn't be fucking with women you work with anyway.

DSWYE - Don't Shit Where You Eat.

Women I work with are not even sexual beings as far as I'm concerned. All it takes is one bullshit harassment complaint from a woman who's fee-fees you hurt to put your career, source of income, chance of being hired elsewhere, and general livelihood in jeopardy.

Not worth it.

I'm strictly business with women I work with.

There are thousands of women in your city - there are not thousands of stable well-paying jobs in your field, I guarantee.

I would even avoid being in a close social situation like that with coworkers. Sure, go to happy hours, go to holiday parties, etc. especially when you're in a field like mine where networking matters, but don't get too close.

Post: #9

Not only is it the manjinae fault, it is yours as well for not correcting them.
Group of guys hang out, one acts like a bitch, it is up to the rest of the men to correct that behaviour, humiliating him so he knows not to spout that weak shit around them, and eventually he doesn't think about that weak shit in his head.
That's how strong societies are made, strong men making sure those around them don't bitch out and weaken the group, or are not part of the group.
Next time you and your boys hang out, and these weaklings show up, correct their limp bitch behaviour, and if they don't conform, 86 them.
They want to have fun and be part of the group, they need to know what flies and what doesn't. You get chicks to your table and they bring dudes, sniff those guys out and if they aren't vibing, get rid of the dudes and make sure the chicks know not to bring those limplings around.

Post: #10

Aside from what's already been said, white knights only get away with it because good men are cowards. They just submit, sit down and take it.

The simplest thing to do is just call it out. "You're a white knight. Shall we call you Sir Lancelot or Sir Lance-very-little?".

White knights should be treated by other men in the same way Spartans treated those who dropped their shields.

Post: #11

I came to see if Dr. Kahn mentioned his degree. I was not disapointed.

Like others have said, shitting where you eat isn't worth the risk.

Post: #12

I've been in the process of laying the groundwork of the past year to launch my own company. In December, I started hiring part-time staff and will continue to hire more in March. I will never hire a woman.

Post: #13

(01-28-2016 08:17 PM)Dr. Kahn Wrote:  There is a reason those ladies decided to come over and join us rather than just spent the whole evening and night with those white knights/cockblockers.

It sounds like it was for free booze and weed, then they left.

(01-28-2016 07:58 PM)Dr. Kahn Wrote:  She wasn't the only one. There was another girl named M. that wanted me to help her remove the snow from her car too. (it was buried to the hilt.). I completely refused. When some of the men heard about this, i told them "I am not her boyfriend. She is not sucking my dick. I am not the guy fucking her. Let her get her boyfriend to do it". With the exception of 3 cool motherfuckers, the rest of the men reacted in mild shock to my reply.

There are women at work who constantly ask for favors (rides, game tickets, borrow money, do their work, fix their mistake, etc). When speaking with some guys at a bar, I launched into my story about how women should ask the dude they're fucking for favors. Since then, a bunch of them repeat it like a sacred mantra.

A revolution isn't needed, we just have to slowly, incrementally, reteach men how to be men.

Post: #14

(01-29-2016 12:03 AM)eatthishomie Wrote:  You shouldn't be fucking with women you work with anyway.

DSWYE - Don't Shit Where You Eat.

Women I work with are not even sexual beings as far as I'm concerned. All it takes is one bullshit harassment complaint from a woman who's fee-fees you hurt to put your career, source of income, chance of being hired elsewhere, and general livelihood in jeopardy.

Not worth it.

I'm strictly business with women I work with.

There are thousands of women in your city - there are not thousands of stable well-paying jobs in your field, I guarantee.

I would even avoid being in a close social situation like that with coworkers. Sure, go to happy hours, go to holiday parties, etc. especially when you're in a field like mine where networking matters, but don't get too close.

You are absolutely right. This little incident makes it very clear.

(01-29-2016 12:20 AM)spokepoker Wrote:  Not only is it the manjinae fault, it is yours as well for not correcting them.
Group of guys hang out, one acts like a bitch, it is up to the rest of the men to correct that behaviour, humiliating him so he knows not to spout that weak shit around them, and eventually he doesn't think about that weak shit in his head.

I understand this. The problem is that the situation could spiral out of control resulting in loss of employment, better to contain the situation and slowly distance oneself from these faggots.

(01-29-2016 12:20 AM)spokepoker Wrote:  That's how strong societies are made, strong men making sure those around them don't bitch out and weaken the group, or are not part of the group.
Next time you and your boys hang out, and these weaklings show up, correct their limp bitch behaviour, and if they don't conform, 86 them.

We already talked about this. The decision is to carefully avoid them and not do anything with them at all.

(01-29-2016 12:20 AM)spokepoker Wrote:  They want to have fun and be part of the group, they need to know what flies and what doesn't. You get chicks to your table and they bring dudes, sniff those guys out and if they aren't vibing, get rid of the dudes and make sure the chicks know not to bring those limplings around.

The decision is to not even hangout with those girls anymore. There are plenty of people to socialize with.

I appreciate the input from everybody.

(01-29-2016 12:41 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Aside from what's already been said, white knights only get away with it because good men are cowards. They just submit, sit down and take it.

The simplest thing to do is just call it out. "You're a white knight. Shall we call you Sir Lancelot or Sir Lance-very-little?".

White knights should be treated by other men in the same way Spartans treated those who dropped their shields.

What is amazing is the extent to which some men will go to "save a damsel in distress".

(01-29-2016 01:41 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  There are women at work who constantly ask for favors (rides, game tickets, borrow money, do their work, fix their mistake, etc). When speaking with some guys at a bar, I launched into my story about how women should ask the dude they're fucking for favors. Since then, a bunch of them repeat it like a sacred mantra.

A revolution isn't needed, we just have to slowly, incrementally, reteach men how to be men.

Every Wednesday we have coffee and donuts free of charge. You should see the long lines of women waiting to get their donuts. There was this woman that I have worked with a couple of times and developed a good rapport with.... she is usually off on Wednesdays. You know what she did? She asked me to please get in line for her on Wednesday,to get a donut, write her name on it, and put it in the fridge for her. Why? So that when she comes in on Thursday, she can then warm it up and eat it.

Take a minute to soak that in......

Naturally, i completely refused. My other co-workers could not understand why i refused. I told her, "do you really want to eat a frozen donut?", she replied "i will warm it up". I just shook my head. I tried explaining my position: that her request is to see if she can get me to do things for her; and it will get more and more ridiculous. It is a form of compliance test, regardless of whether she is aware of it or not.

Everybody else just called me an asshole.

All i know is that, i am not getting on a fucking long ass line so that some bitch can get some fucking donut.

That is the thing, Captainstabbin; these kinds of complaince tests never ends at the workplace. They just keep coming at you and the white knights are ever willing to jump on you and shame you and MORE IMPORTANTLY, make you look bad in front of everybody for not acquiescing to some women's request.

I will tell you another one: One time, about 5 of us were sitting at table with one of the pretty girls at work. She started eating her food and didn't want to get up to get a fork. She started complaining about how she needs a fork but doesn't want to go and get it(all done in that cutesy, whiny, babish, girly manner). I was soo proud of the fact that nobody at our table get up to get the dumb bitch her fork. At one point, she asked one of the guys to go get her a fork(nicely, cutely and politely of course). We gave the guy a firm shake of the head and "don't be a bitch" look.

These kinds of behavior never ends with women in the Office... once they "befriend" you, the next step is to try and make you their personal servant.

Post: #15

Yeah I'm not reading all that, I get the gist from the comments.

However, I agree that the way women behave is men's fault. Women will push things as far as men will put up with, because women are reactive creatures. When at least half the men are fucking pussies who enable women's bad behavior, we end up where we are now.

And, so what? I no more have a solution for that problem than I have a cure for cancer in my back pocket.

Post: #16

Sounds to me like those white knights saved your ass from doing something with your female co-workers that could have cost you dearly down the line.

It seems you just took the red pill and are angry with the behaviors of people who are blue pill. Stay a while, things will improve.

Post: #17

(01-29-2016 03:17 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Sounds to me like those white knights saved your ass from doing something with your female co-workers that could have cost you dearly down the line.

It seems you just took the red pill and are angry with the behaviors of people who are blue pill. Stay a while, things will improve.

Post: #18

You should have told the white knights to "go home".

Post: #19

Mouth breathing red pill logic at its finest.

These so called white knights brought the women to the party, and then were able to tell the "cool guys"'what to do. When the cool guys shirked their duties, the good guys took the women away.

And rather than run game on the group, spout off some gym locker room "wisdom". Basically making yourself a pariah to the people you work with.

GAME, have some.

Part of having game is understanding the social dynamics of a situation. Openly using illegal drugs at a work function was not the move. Spitting "knowledge" because you couldn't read the tea leaves ...

Naw B.

WIA

Post: #20

(01-29-2016 03:17 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Sounds to me like those white knights saved your ass from doing something with your female co-workers that could have cost you dearly down the line.

It seems you just took the red pill and are angry with the behaviors of people who are blue pill. Stay a while, things will improve.

I concur.

(01-29-2016 10:28 AM)wi30 Wrote:  You should have told the white knights to "go home".

One of the white knights is a project/group leader at work.

(01-29-2016 11:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Mouth breathing red pill logic at its finest.

These so called white knights brought the women to the party,

No they didn't. The girls ditched them; they pathetically tagged along to come to our party. We only texted the girls, not the those guys.

(01-29-2016 11:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  and then were able to tell the "cool guys"'what to do. When the cool guys shirked their duties, the good guys took the women away.

I could be wrong, but i don't see it that away. They dropped a nuclear cockblock of all cockblock: reporting everybody at the party for drinking and smoking weed at Company's sponsored accommodations.

Let me draw on your wisdom here: How would you have handled that?

What could you have said or done to neutralize that?

Befriending all of them? Done that several times at lunch tables and before we even went to the Hotel.

Creating an atmosphere where everybody wants to have fun? We did that.

Welcoming them to the party and telling them to come in and grab a beer or Patron shots or etc?. We did that.

Talking to the whole group, we did. Myself, E., K., D., A. especially did that.

WestIndianArchie, i understand what you are saying, i am just trying to see what i could have done differently to neutralize their hostile feelings of "stealing their [departmental]women" away from them.

Whiteknights #1, his name is L. He is the one that raised a lot of noise. L. talked to K.(one of my guys) for about 20 mins about a girl they both chased that L desperately wanted to wife up; but K ended up pumping and dumping. L. is still in love with this girl to this day. D.(one of my guys) joined in the conversation and talked to L. about moving on. It was a long ass conversation.

WIA, i honestly don't know what anybody else could have done to neutralize L. hurt feelings; my educated guess is that L. doesn't want another repeat of somebody stealing another girl away from him especially K. So he decided to blow up the party.

Whiteknights #2 name is G. He is most likely a virgin. He never even tries to deny or insult us back, whenever we tease him about it. He is always asking for relationship advice from everybody about girls he almost kissed or something. He is the one that told me his feelings are hurt on behalf of the girls(even though the girls feelings are not hurt.)

Whiteknights #3. name is V. He is the one that doesn't want us talking about any of the girls asses because they are his friends. He is the one that shovel the snow off 3 different girls' car to impress them all. He likes calling people creepy and bullshitter, etc when they are talking to girls, generally aggressive cockblocker. There was this time that we were done for the day and heading home; one of the girls got a bag of chips from the vending machine and she asked V. to hold it for her while she eats out of it one by one by one. V. complied and ended up holding it. This is the mentality of the person you are dealing with. I have started slowly distancing myself from him, because he could just easily go to the management team and relay all our "bathroom talk about girls" to them. Under the pretense of serving the company's best interest. These things have to be handled delicately, otherwise, they will blow up in your face.


Whiteknights #4. name is S. He is the one that decided to shovel the snow off a girls car, without the girls knowledge, in the hope that the girl will be pleasantly surprised and gave up her pussy. S. straight-up tell me that he doesn't want any of us around those girls so they can have them for themselves. One thing i am proud of is that, my group didn't pathetically chase after those girls. We simply kept having fun.

WIA, I don't know what our group could have done differently.

(01-29-2016 11:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  And rather than run game on the group, spout off some gym locker room "wisdom". Basically making yourself a pariah to the people you work with.

GAME, have some.

Pariah? Nobody is pariah about anything. As a group we decided to keep our distance from those four faggots and maintain some distance from those girls while spending more time with other girls. That make a lot of sense to me.

The girls are scared because the issue has reached management, so they too will want to keep a distance from us. It just makes sense to be friendly to them, keep a little bit of distance, while socializing more with other girls.

On the issue of running game on the group as a whole, we tried that. Jealousy can be a bitch. The best thing is to maintain a cool distance from those four white knights.

(01-29-2016 11:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Part of having game is understanding the social dynamics of a situation. Openly using illegal drugs at a work function was not the move. Spitting "knowledge" because you couldn't read the tea leaves ...

Naw B.

WIA

The weed was a mistake on that front. Hindsight is 20/20. The funny thing is that all those people, including those 4 whiteknights all admitted to smoking weed and are down for it. Everybody at our party was down with smoking weed. We've sat together several times at the lunch tables talking and joking, etc. But somehow, those 4 white knights suddenly flipped a switch and turn into straight-edge kids at the party.

Eirykr was right with this quote:

(01-28-2016 08:30 PM)Eirykr Wrote:  You think corporate cut-throat behavior ends at the lunch table?

It seems to me that they saw an opportunity and exploited for their own advantage. Bitch made, but machiavellian.

Thanks to everybody for their advice.

Post: #21

(01-29-2016 01:01 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  I came to see if Dr. Kahn mentioned his degree. I was not disapointed.

Post: #22

This story and its discussion would be unnecessary if your approach thread had more substance.

Good luck with the drug test. Hopefully you will make better decisions in the future.

Post: #23

(01-29-2016 12:47 PM)Dr. Kahn Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 10:28 AM)wi30 Wrote:  You should have told the white knights to "go home".

One of the white knights is a project/group leader at work.

Did you try chasing him down first?

Post: #24

I couldn't read all of this very "TLDR" story, but I think the real WTF is that you stuck around and played drama games and did drugs with these hoes and losers from work, instead of fucking off at the first opportunity when the drama level seemed to be increasing without bound.

Quote:we men are our own worst enemies

No fooling? You apparently counted on some dudes from work whom you don't really know to have your back. That would be a mistake.

Quote:When about 5 of us sat at the same table during lunch, and talked all sorts of un-PC shit about the ladies and what sort of dirty thing we want to do to them.

Oh, that's real smart. This isn't highschool anymore, friend. Sexual harassment workplace policies can and will leave you out of a job. All it takes is the right person to tell management you said the wrong things.

It would be pretty cool to be snowbound for two days. For my part, I would have have said "Hey guys, I'm not feeling so great, I'm going to go take it easy." Then rolled a blunt in private and had some drinks, done some reading, got some work done. Maybe build a snowman. Nobody would have likely cared and it probably wouldn't have impacted your reputation one bit.

Sounds like you missed a perfect opportunity to take a break from it all, and instead got....this.

Post: #25

Like I was saying on the big board, this situation is about the "Secret Society"

1) You're dealing with chicks from work - that's already a bad move. That's worse than no lube ass fucking chicks in your church's choir.

Let's say things went ahead as planned, and the white knights didn't come through.

You would have gotten 4 chicks from the job, HIGH.
Then you would have fucked em.

Wouldn't be surprised if chicks that are cool with getting high with other co-workers might have sampled more than a few guys goods.

Aside from the criminal and civil liabilities, as well as the job issues...

Fucking a chick that you work with is full of god damned danger.
Making it a "scene", some cool shit that they want to be in on - with such obvious issues makes you vulnerable.

Vulnerable.

Maybe one of your mates is kinky or violent, or worse yet, he fucks the chick and makes her feel like a slut. She gets major buyer's remorse and either spreads it around that all of you guys are jerks. Then the rest of that shit comes out.

Why? For one mediocre blow job in the back of your Ford Fusion?
So you can have a little secret about making the Allie from Admin squirt?

There's no fucking upside.

These chicks have all of the power in the world and witnesses to turn your life into a living hell.

NO GAME.

But if you persist in suicide missions, kamikaze for cunt

Here's how you should have done it.

1) Be Aware of What You're trying to do. Frat boy mentality, let's invite the sorors over to get fucked up and fuck is what doomed you to failure here.

2) Be aware of the mentality of chicks.

Are you guys cool enough to associate with?

3) When you invited them over to chill and Netflix, from JUMP you should have had the extra-curriculars on the DL. Just for these eventualities.
- one of them broads might be a straight Jehovaha's Witness or a recent Born Again Christian.

4) When you make the offer, only HINT at some devious shit. NEVER come out and say what it is. You want to SUB-COMMUNICATE what's about to go down.

5) When they got their with the Mormons, Elder Ammon and company would have just thought it was a get together. A few beers, a bottle of Vodka and some conversation.

Cool. They would have probably turned on the TV or gathered around the alcohol and talked about some bullshit like the Superbowl or whether Trump is gonna beat Sanders.

6) Now that you got the broads there, you use some INDIRECT game.

Each of you, or all of you, has conversations with THEIR MIXED GROUP. And from there you throw out shit that the girls understand, but the guys would not understand.

You know these bitches want to fuck.
Now you need to signal to them that you're the men to do it.
But because you're using body language, because of what you're not saying, because of what you're implying - you run game like you would at a wedding. Her parents are watching. Have an innocent conversation.

Then as you get the good vibes from her, "Oh hey, there's this thing i need to show you....5 minutes, we'll be right back"

Now that you got the broad ISOLATED and away from their haters, you run more game. To get her comfortable, to see where her head is at.

Maybe the chick just wanted to do something, get out, see some people. Maybe sex isn't on her conscious mind. Run your indirect, enjoy a glass of wine with her, and let the truth emerge.

Move the chick to a new spot, and move the conversation to more "risque topics". (why move her a second time, because white knights gonna white knight and send out a search party to your last location)

If you find out she partakes, BOOM, that's when you pull out your wacky tobaccky.

If you probe in that area, and she Churchifies on you, well cool, you haven't played your hand.

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The main principle to tight social circles/work is to give her and yourself PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.

We were just talking
We were just having a chat
Having a private drink
Flirting.

The result?
Girl doesn't feel like a slut.
Her girl friends don't think she's a slut (openly)
The White Knights are none the wise, just think that guys like you have all the luck.

But if it does pop off, a little smoke and poke, or just the poke - you bring something back to the group that explains your absence.

"She had to get something from the car"..

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As for helping the chicks out of the snow.

Dude, it was a fucking blizzard. You knew that shit was coming.

Rather than spout off some red pill bullshit and stomp off in a huff -

1) You should have bounced ASAP when you realized shit was not going as you planned

2) If not possible, made yourself scarce. Either by holding out of the group's sight somewhere, or leaving first.

3) The last move would have been to assemble the "Avengers" and played the Captain America role but be Iron Man on the low.

"Hey White Knights, if we work as a team, we can dig all of their cars out together"

'Leader of Men'

And while them boys are killing themselves showing what morons they are, spend your time talking to the chicks while they're working.

So if the chicks are out there supervising, you walk over and talk.

If they stayed inside warm, you would go out with the men, get them started and say "I forgot something inside"

Keep a shovel in your hand for appearances sake, maybe even get it wet once or twice - but while they're occupied you work on the bitches.

"So Annie from Accounting, where you headed after this?"

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All this shit sounds elaborate, but the underlying principle is there are women, squares, and players.

Let the squares be squares. You don't try to convert them. You don't try to kick knowledge. You don't try to fight them. Let them be.

Keep secrets

With the chicks, you know that they are always facing judgment. You can't advertise a drug fueled sex orgy as a drug fueled sex orgy.

You say, "It's just a little get together....but it'll be so much more fun than the bullshit you're doing. We got a little bit of food, some drank. We'll watch Frozen and have a sing-a-long"

Then when they come through, that's when let the squares be squares, and make your INDIRECT moves on the chicks.

Bitches ain't stupid. Guys are.

Why is it that you guys don't think these things through?

Maybe my particular plan might not have worked out, but going into the situation knowing that chicks get judged and you have to camouflage and sub-communicate all of your intentions.

The clueless stay clueless.
Those that are in the know, get it.

That's Game 101.

WIA