Post: #251

I don't get it, the Syrian refugees in Canada are mostly Christian, and the Muslims are all families, with some single gay males thrown in. These people get free healthcare and welfare in Canada, cheap college tuition, free school for their kids, and a path to citizenship. Why would they want to throw away the full Trudeau package just to slum it out in the US making $5/hr under the table as wetback illegal aliens? If they wanted to get into the US, they could just get visas as naturalized Canadians or PRs. Maybe Malkin thinks some of these gay Syrian refugees are really jonesing to sneak in so that they can settle their beef with Whole Foods and North Carolina?

I don't buy the stuff about the CPB low morale either, these are people with GEDs making serious coin.

Post: #252

(04-20-2016 04:34 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  USA should really cut the bullshit and invade Canada at some point.

Hopefully Emperor Trump will annex Canada to make it part of the Trump Empire. It would be great! If its part of Trump nation then a wall won't have to be built on the border.

It would be a lot of work to build a wall on some parts of the border in Southern British Columbia due to the mountain ranges. Plus there's the ocean border on the coast around the Gulf of Georgia, Boundary Bay, Victoria, Juan de fuqa straight. It would be much more of an effort. Plus not a lot of Canadians are rushing towards the US but I do think a Trump Canada will be better than anything put forth by Trudeau the younger.

Post: #253

http://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/b...-as-a-teen

Border officials arrest man who was attending Windsor high school as a teen

Quote:Canadian border officers have arrested an African man, believed to be 30 years old, who spent the last six months attending Catholic Central High School while posing as a teenager.

Jonathon Nicola, who became a well-known high school basketball player, was being kept Wednesday at the South West Detention Centre.

The Windsor-Essex Catholic District School Board is keeping tight-lipped about the situation.

“There’s really not a whole lot to say,” said spokesman Stephen Fields. “Because of the fact this is a matter that’s still outstanding before the federal authorities, obviously we can’t really comment on it. Beyond that there’s not a whole lot to say.”

The Canada Border Services Agency said Wednesday officers arrested Nicola for allegedly contravening the Immigration Refugee Protection Act. He is being detained under the authority of that act. The agency didn’t elaborate on what Nicola, who is in Canada on a student visa, is accused of doing.

Clown-world Canada

Post: #254

^I wonder how many high school b-ball groupies he banged?

Post: #255

(04-20-2016 04:34 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  USA should really cut the bullshit and invade Canada at some point.

So we can have high crime rates and pay for healthcare, no thanks we are good.

There is a reason why Canada tops the list of best countries to live, perhaps you should pay a visit.

Post: #256

That pic so black, I got my chain snatched just looking at it.
(said in jest)

Post: #257

(04-25-2016 11:06 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 04:34 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  USA should really cut the bullshit and invade Canada at some point.

So we can have high crime rates and pay for healthcare, no thanks we are good.

There is a reason why Canada tops the list of best countries to live, perhaps you should pay a visit.

I'll go one better. I was born here and lived here all my life.

Troolander is working hard to bring our crime rates in line with our southern ally by importing lawless savages from every shitty little corner of the world. He is like Merkel only better looking and more feminine. After Troolander succeeds in making our crime rates skyrocket and the savages attack you, you can enjoy dying slowly in the waiting line for your free health care that probably won't save you even when you do finally get it. Brock Lesnar can tell you from experience...

http://www.thestar.com/sports/2010/01/21...world.html

I myself welcome Trump's inevitable annexation of our ruined dominion. I hope he parades Troolander around riding a donkey with his hands tied behind his back and facing backwards, like the captured idiot king in "Kingdom of Heaven".

Make Canada Great Again!

Post: #258

Wasn't there a Canadian national that just got executed by a radical muslim refugee in the Phillipines?

I think Trudeau said something about it, but I ran out of time on the matter.

Post: #259

(04-26-2016 09:00 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  Wasn't there a Canadian national that just got executed by a radical muslim refugee in the Phillipines?

I think Trudeau said something about it, but I ran out of time on the matter.

He didn't have time to address that issue. He was way too busy getting a blowjob from the CBC during his hair appointment.

Post: #260

Here is what happens when a culture becomes so cucked, that even the street gangs are female...

Quote:LONDON, Ont. - One woman was clinging to life after being stabbed during a wild weekend street brawl between two groups of women in London’s SoHo neighbourhood.

As many as 12 women were involved in the clash between two groups police said met for a fight.

The city’s third stabbing in less than two weeks, it came four days after a man was critically injured in a knife attack at a public housing building.

Police say two groups of women who knew each other met up at Grey and Clarence streets for a “consensual physical altercation” early Sunday morning.

Keith Gunn was inside his Clarence St. home when he heard what he described as a rowdy group of women walking east on Grey around 1:30 a.m. He looked out his window and saw a group of women, two of whom were fighting in the street.

“It just looked like a girl fight,” said Gunn, who counted between eight and 12 women, whom he estimated were in their 20s.

The dust-up soon drew in more women from the group before devolving into shoving and shouting, said Gunn, who watched one woman sitting on the curb lose consciousness. Neighbours yelled that police had been called and some of the women fled the scene, he said.

Police arrived and found three injured women, one with multiple stab wounds, and arrested four people, two of whom were later released without charges.

“There’s no other suspects,” said Const. Chris Loizides.

The stabbing victim, whose identity hadn’t been released, was in critical condition Sunday night. The other two women had been discharged from hospital, Loizides said.

Tabitha Cooper, 24, of London, is charged with aggravated assault in relation to the stabbing.

Sophia Cooper, 20, also of London, is charged with aggravated assault after another woman was left with facial injuries.

“They all knew each other,” Loizides said of the two groups involved. “There was definitely a meeting of sorts at that location.”

Police were still canvassing the area Sunday evening, looking for witnesses to the dust-up and evidence.

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/04/25/it-...london-ont

Post: #261

(04-26-2016 09:00 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  Wasn't there a Canadian national that just got executed by a radical muslim refugee in the Phillipines?

I think Trudeau said something about it, but I ran out of time on the matter.

A Canadian was beheaded by Abu Sayyaf, an Islamic terrorist group who has pledged allegiance to ISIS.

Post: #262

(04-26-2016 08:34 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(04-25-2016 11:06 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 04:34 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  USA should really cut the bullshit and invade Canada at some point.

So we can have high crime rates and pay for healthcare, no thanks we are good.

There is a reason why Canada tops the list of best countries to live, perhaps you should pay a visit.

I'll go one better. I was born here and lived here all my life.

Troolander is working hard to bring our crime rates in line with our southern ally by importing lawless savages from every shitty little corner of the world. He is like Merkel only better looking and more feminine. After Troolander succeeds in making our crime rates skyrocket and the savages attack you, you can enjoy dying slowly in the waiting line for your free health care that probably won't save you even when you do finally get it. Brock Lesnar can tell you from experience...

http://www.thestar.com/sports/2010/01/21...world.html

I myself welcome Trump's inevitable annexation of our ruined dominion. I hope he parades Troolander around riding a donkey with his hands tied behind his back and facing backwards, like the captured idiot king in "Kingdom of Heaven".

Make Canada Great Again!

Just wanted to add that we Canadians do pay for health care, just in a more roundabout manner through taxes. For those of us that haven't seen a doctor in decades, we definitely have experienced the short end of the stick, and we're going to be exposed to that short end even more in the near future with the aging Boomer population placing a heavy demand on healthcare services, and a smaller population of tax-contributors trying to support it. Socialized healthcare is a pyramid scheme for those that use the system fairly and live healthy lifestyles.

However, I believe Trump supports some form of government subsidized care, and with Obamacare already implemented, Canada and the U.S. aren't really that different. Certain medical procedures certainly cost a lot more in U.S. than in Canada, but sometimes in Canada you'll have to wait months or even years for such a procedure. Both systems have their benefits and drawbacks.

With respect to crime rates, if you look more closely at the state and province level, areas with similar demographics will have similar crime rates. For example, North Dakota, a predominantly homogenous state, has a very low 0.1% violent crime rate, whereas California, with a lot of ethnic gang crime, has a high 0.7% crime rate. A similar comparison can be made between PEI and NWT in Canada, PEI being predominantly white and homogenous and having similar crime rates with ND, versus NWT with the Natives shooting each other and having similar crime rates with California. Most of the U.S. southern states are comprised of demographics susceptible to crime, and hence when you paint the entire U.S. with as broad of a brush as most articles that compare U.S. versus Canada for crime, it looks like Canada is a crime-free utopia. In my findings, it isn't because of national policies like gun control that create the difference between Canada and the U.S., it is the demographics. It is unfair to northern states like ND and VT to say that the all of the U.S. has a crime infestation problem. It is akin to the sweeping generalization that women are paid 77 cents per dollar to men: once you break it down categorically and compare apples to apples, you'll see that the U.S. and Canada are quite similar with regards to crime, just as women and men make similar wages when you account for specific job and hours worked.

So with regards to crime, the difference I believe is in the demographics of the specific region, and hence if Trump annexes Canada and the U.S., it's not like Canada is suddenly going to become a shoot-em-up crime-infested warzone. Now with Trudeau and the Liberals and their unvetted migrant plans, we've yet to see the consequences of this new demographic shift, although parts of Europe are giving us a sneak preview. We can only hope that they actually do integrate and assimilate if we want the crime rates to stay the same.

Post: #263

It is estimated about 44 million people in the US, don't have health insurance. That is more than the entire population of Canada, yes we pay indirectly through taxes.

I would rather be in a country where I don't have to worry about my basic medical coverage.
I never go to a doctor, but I can appreciate people that I know who have ailments that they can get treatment when needed. In America, they would be up the creek without a paddle. This has been discussed on another thread, one guy reported his friend filed for bankruptcy because he needed a medical treatment. So for all you guys that are bashing Canada keep that in mind, I am sure you have friends or family members that are in need of some medical treatment.

When people talk about crime in America, no one is talking about places like North Dakota. We are talking about major cities in America, these are the type of places you don't visit even for fun. Trust me I have been to a few of these places and they are no joke. The so called bad areas in Toronto don't even compare to these places.

America has far more greater issuses at the moment than taking over Canada. If Trump wins and that is a big "IF" he has to deliver on all these promises he is making, like building a wall to block out the mexicans. I wonder what he will do with the FEMA camps that are being built all over the country.

Post: #264

(04-26-2016 03:52 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  It is estimated about 44 million people in the US, don't have health insurance. That is more than the entire population of Canada, yes we pay indirectly through taxes.

I would rather be in a country where I don't have to worry about my basic medical coverage.
I never go to a doctor, but I can appreciate people that I know who have ailments that they can get treatment when needed. In America, they would be up the creek without a paddle. This has been discussed on another thread, one guy reported his friend filed for bankruptcy because he needed a medical treatment. So for all you guys that are bashing Canada keep that in mind, I am sure you have friends or family members that are in need of some medical treatment.

A long time ago I read somewhere, lost now to the mists of time, that the administrative costs for all of Canada are the same as the administrative costs for Blue Cross of Massachusetts.

Post: #265

(04-26-2016 03:52 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  It is estimated about 44 million people in the US, don't have health insurance. That is more than the entire population of Canada, yes we pay indirectly through taxes.

I would rather be in a country where I don't have to worry about my basic medical coverage.
I never go to a doctor, but I can appreciate people that I know who have ailments that they can get treatment when needed. In America, they would be up the creek without a paddle. This has been discussed on another thread, one guy reported his friend filed for bankruptcy because he needed a medical treatment. So for all you guys that are bashing Canada keep that in mind, I am sure you have friends or family members that are in need of some medical treatment.

When people talk about crime in America, no one is talking about places like North Dakota. We are talking about major cities in America, these are the type of places you don't visit even for fun. Trust me I have been to a few of these places and they are no joke. The so called bad areas in Toronto don't even compare to these places.

America has far more greater issuses at the moment than taking over Canada. If Trump wins and that is a big "IF" he has to deliver on all these promises he is making, like building a wall to block out the mexicans. I wonder what he will do with the FEMA camps that are being built all over the country.

Just to get my personal stance out of the way, by no means do I support an annex of North America (regardless of Trump winning). I also think basic healthcare should be a shared cost, just at a smaller level (like provincial/state, or even county/city) as a means of supporting fellow citizens and not letting your community decay socially and economically due to not being able to treat contributing members of society for basic health issues. At the same time, the level of socialized care should be limited to provide disincentive from abusing the system and from being too reliant on "free healthcare" and thus not taking care of one's health instead.

I would prefer countries to remain countries, and for North America not to become like the EU. Greater choice between countries with their own unique policies means more freedom of choice to live somewhere that suits your ideals. Quebec should become its own country, and likewise if Texas does too, then let it go ahead.

But back to the original points in that we pay for healthcare in Canada not much unlike the U.S., and that crime, while statistically higher in the U.S., is not a function of U.S. policy, and is relatively similar to Canada when controlled as a function of demographics. Regarding healthcare: again, there are benefits and drawbacks between the Canadian system and the American system. American system theoretically you can choose to decline health insurance and save your annual premiums. It is a choice. When I lived there I chose the lowest plan since I never visited the doctor. It is a risk like declining comprehensive auto insurance.

Canadian system forces everyone to pay into it. However, sometimes you'll need treatment that no Canadian doctor will do because it is specialized, forcing you to go to the U.S. anyway for treatment. You might fall more ill due to higher wait times or having to see an American specialist. In the U.S. system you'll get the treatment quicker, but might fall to bankruptcy if your insurance doesn't cover it. Either way, one pays for healthcare, and you'll have some benefits and some drawbacks.

With regards to crime in big U.S. cities, I still believe they are principally demographically driven. Ghettoization is a problem that leads to higher crime rates, prevalent in a lot of U.S. cities like Chicago, New York, etc. It still boils down to enclaves that don't integrate or internally perpetuate a culture of degeneracy (values focused less on education, family etc.). Toronto and Vancouver (the only two comparably populated cities in Canada, in my opinion) don't suffer from this problem because the ghettos are not nearly as large. Jane and Finch is just that -- a neighbourhood. Harlem, Compton or Flint are full blown cities with criminal subcultures stuck in a downward spiral. As long as the size of ghettos is relatively under control, the predominant culture will prevail and there will be substantially less gang and violent crime.

Stating that, I will concede though should U.S. theoretically annex with Canada that that runs the same risk as opening the borders: these enclaves can now migrate easily into Toronto and ghettoize and in that way we would import higher crime rates. This entire situation would be not so dissimilar to the no-go zones of Europe. Canada and the U.S. have been successful generally integrating immigrants from China, Italy, etc. which is why no one has a problem walking into the Chinatowns or Little Italies of the big cities, but would they feel the same walking into the Islamic no-go zones of Europe, or the streets of Detroit?

That is in any case why I allude to the "ignored" states like North Dakota and Vermont. The U.S. is not any more criminal than Canada when you compare like cities/provinces with like cities/states. If the cities/states/provinces remain as they are after a theoretical Canada/U.S. annex, crime would not suddenly go up here.

Post: #266

^ When you are young, which i assume you are. You don't feel the need for healthcare, but I can assure you at some point in your life you will need it. I like alot of people play sports, I have seen people break their legs playing soccer and get injured playing hockey. Would you really like to pay the doctor for those injuries, at the expense of saving a few bucks on your medical premiums. I think we know the answer!

I have a friend who lives in LA, he is Canadian and does not have a health care plan. He had a accident where he needed to go to the hospital, he required an x-ray which cost him $1500. In Canada that would cost me nothing. In fact they only started bringing in user fees recently, because certain groups were abusing the system.

Having lived in Canada for over 30 years, I have never heard of a case or illness that no Canadian doctor could not treat. I know there is a long wait for a MRI scan and if you have the money you can drive to Buffalo NY and pay $1000 for one on the spot. In fact, a good friend of mine has a certain illness and he is dealing with a doctor that was treating Charlie Sheen. My friend does not make alot of money but has the best specialists looking after him.

In Europe, most countries have free healthcare.
In France, anyone can go to the doctor - from a local to a tourist and get treated.
In Sweden, they can even go to a dentist and pay a small user fee. You don't need to be working to see a dentist either.
So I am a little baffled as to why America has not adopted a similar system. Their system is great if you have money, no doubt you will get the best service in the world. The problem is that there is a large underclass. Maybe that is the reason Obamacare is such a big topic in the election debates.

As for crime, you simply cannot compare the murder rates in Detroit and Chicago to Toronto/Vancouver.
You mentioned Jane and Finch, some may call that a ghetto. I could walk through that neighbourhood any time of day and I am sure no one is going to bother me.
By the way, Harlem and Compton are neighbourhoods in NY and LA respectively.
Here's a list of the top 100 worst crime ridden cities in America
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighbo...dangerous/

Post: #267

Right on time...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...money.html

Post: #268

(04-26-2016 07:14 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ When you are young, which i assume you are. You don't feel the need for healthcare, but I can assure you at some point in your life you will need it. I like alot of people play sports, I have seen people break their legs playing soccer and get injured playing hockey. Would you really like to pay the doctor for those injuries, at the expense of saving a few bucks on your medical premiums. I think we know the answer!

I do understand the need for healthcare, and it certainly reflects in my current family situation. (As an aside, I play hockey and ski/snowboard as well, and my premiums would always cover catastrophic costs, but the different plans usually cover things like number of hospital and doctor visits, therapy, homeopathy and prescriptions to varying degrees, things that I will hardly use but is ripe for general abuse and overuse in a heavily socialized program). Granting more flexibility and choice in my opinion is a good thing so that it feels less like a pyramid scheme to those that strive to maintain good health. I am in favour of striking a balance between the U.S. and Canadian systems.

Quote:I have a friend who lives in LA, he is Canadian and does not have a health care plan. He had a accident where he needed to go to the hospital, he required an x-ray which cost him $1500. In Canada that would cost me nothing. In fact they only started bringing in user fees recently, because certain groups were abusing the system.

I would argue that you and taxpayers paid $1,500 somewhere down the line in taxes. The money collectively came from everyone. Again, I'm not completely opposed to this as I do agree with some sort of community subsidized care as stated in my previous post. Without the power of community, it is hard for just one or two patients alone to negotiate against outrageous costs of certain procedures whereas there will be some cost control if a larger paying group is collectively negotiating against it.

Quote:Having lived in Canada for over 30 years, I have never heard of a case or illness that no Canadian doctor could not treat. I know there is a long wait for a MRI scan and if you have the money you can drive to Buffalo NY and pay $1000 for one on the spot. In fact, a good friend of mine has a certain illness and he is dealing with a doctor that was treating Charlie Sheen. My friend does not make alot of money but has the best specialists looking after him.

I know of a few cases primarily involving cancer treatment procedures that cannot be done in Canada (I'm sure alternative procedures were available, with longer wait times as you mention and possibly not as effective). News articles from Google searches tend to also reflect on this fact (e.g. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada...tudy-finds albeit it states that the U.S. system isn't better in a cited study).

Quote:In Europe, most countries have free healthcare.
In France, anyone can go to the doctor - from a local to a tourist and get treated.
In Sweden, they can even go to a dentist and pay a small user fee. You don't need to be working to see a dentist either.
So I am a little baffled as to why America has not adopted a similar system. Their system is great if you have money, no doubt you will get the best service in the world. The problem is that there is a large underclass. Maybe that is the reason Obamacare is such a big topic in the election debates.

Again, I think saying it's "free" in Europe is a misnomer. Everyone in Europe paid into the system. If it was actually free, doctors and healthcare workers wouldn't want to work there for no pay.

I agree that the economic situation is the underlying problem in the U.S. Corporate greed has largely influenced the decisions of Washington D.C. with regards to health care, including Obamacare. Ideally, if there wasn't so much corruption in the system, states or smaller jurisdictions would be able negotiate health care costs with the insurers and providers so that everyone can buy into a proper insurance plan while keeping the good doctors and medical companies in state. Companies would be forced to compete at a state or regional level to make it affordable to everyone. In the current system, when left entirely up to the people, I would wager the general populace can barely budget for themselves and end up cutting healthcare in favour of buying that house or getting a dog (unless the company they work for provides or forces medical insurance on them).

Quote:As for crime, you simply cannot compare the murder rates in Detroit and Chicago to Toronto/Vancouver.
You mentioned Jane and Finch, some may call that a ghetto. I could walk through that neighbourhood any time of day and I am sure no one is going to bother me.
By the way, Harlem and Compton are neighbourhoods in NY and LA respectively.
Here's a list of the top 100 worst crime ridden cities in America
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighbo...dangerous/

We are in agreement here. I was trying to say Detroit/Chicago cannot be compared with Toronto/Vancouver and you'd feel safer walking any part of Toronto than say Flint or Detroit, MI. It's an apples to oranges comparison because the demographics are different. Jane and Finch is not as big as Harlem and Compton. I would say that San Francisco and Toronto are similar. I was just trying to conclude that crime rate is regional and that the U.S. isn't any more criminal in Canada when you adjust for demography. You will have crime where there are criminal breeding grounds. Merge Canada and U.S. together and the same geographic regions will experience the same crime rates. Canada will not suddenly become infested with crime.

Post: #269

(04-26-2016 08:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Right on time...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...money.html

Hah. Well he shouldn't have cancelled his health insurance!

This is anecdotal evidence to my conjecture above:

Quote:In the current system, when left entirely up to the people, I would wager the general populace can barely budget for themselves and end up cutting healthcare in favour of buying that house or getting a dog (unless the company they work for provides or forces medical insurance on them).

Post: #270

^ I am assuming you are outside Ontario.

Nothing is free in life, so I would never say healthcare is free.

Property tax is expensive where I live, 2/3 of the cost goes towards schools. I could have that attitude that I no longer go to school and I don't have any kids in school, so why am I paying so much. I like where I live and that is how it goes.

As for the healthcare, I will NEVER be turned away from a hospital in Ontario. How many people have been turned away from hospitals in America? Why are Americans crossing the border into Canada to buy their drugs? I am not a fan of Michael Moore, but he did a movie on this called Sicko. I suggest you watch it.

The guy cancelled his health insurance because he couldn't afford it. Very easy to say he shouldn't have cancelled it.

Post: #271

(04-26-2016 09:31 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Nothing is free in life, so I would never say healthcare is free.

Property tax is expensive where I live, 2/3 of the cost goes towards schools. I could have that attitude that I no longer go to school and I don't have any kids in school, so why am I paying so much. I like where I live and that is how it goes.

Taxes for public schools are another topic -- but paying for those is paying to keep your community in good standing. This is tax that has municipal jurisdiction, something I have been advocating in my prior posts for taxes that go towards healthcare. If you don't pay to support public schools, then you run the risk of having your community ruined by an upcoming generation of juvenile delinquents.

Quote:As for the healthcare, I will NEVER be turned away from a hospital in Ontario. How many people have been turned away from hospitals in America? Why are Americans crossing the border into Canada to buy their drugs? I am not a fan of Michael Moore, but he did a movie on this called Sicko. I suggest you watch it.

I have watched three of Michael Moore's films: Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9/11 and Sicko. My memory is a bit foggy, but for all of his films, and like with most Hollywood films, I have my criticisms with the moral messages they try to push without addressing counter-arguments. I have already conceded that the industry (mainly big pharma) and government in the U.S. are corrupt which makes the U.S. economy and healthcare system a mess, but the European model is not without its flaws as well as I've already pointed out in prior posts, namely it not actually being free, is subject to abuse and overuse, and in itself discourages competition and therefore increases the cost of health care (in a hidden way when obscured through taxes) and wait times, and in some cases decreasing quality and innovation.

Quote:The guy cancelled his health insurance because he couldn't afford it. Very easy to say he shouldn't have cancelled it.

With regards to the athlete, I don't know his financial situation personally, but he made a conscious decision to cancel insurance prior to other things he could have cancelled first. I would bet that housing, a car, or living in an expensive neighbourhood or city took precedent over his choice of whether to keep health insurance. Say he needed to pay the average insurance premium of about $4,000 a year, an amount he could shave off other non-necessities. For Canadians, because this $4,000 is factored into income taxes, the cost is invisible. For Americans that don't qualify for subsidized care, they need to recognize that they need to save or take the $4,000 out of their income or otherwise seek assistance. It still follows that when left up to most individuals, most do not know how to budget and prioritize unless it is done for them. If you cancel health insurance, you assume the risk.

Post: #272

47% of Americans have trouble finding $400 for an emergency. Read not $4000...

Source:

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Post: #273

(04-26-2016 11:05 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  47% of Americans have trouble finding $400 for an emergency. Read not $4000...

Source:

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Yes, and the immediate two replies from General Stalin and samsamsam mirror my opinions:

General Stalin Wrote:I don't think this is a circulation-of-wealth issue but more an issue of Western materialism and poor financial management practices.

Granted cost-of-living is high in many parts of the US, most younger people (and even older people) don't save money. They spend their disposable income on bullshit like eating out, material things, and entertainment.

samsamsam Wrote:GS is right. I understand it is fun for some to hate on wealthy people like it is for me to hate on fat attention whores. But if an average American just looked through the shit they own which they regret buying it would easily exceed 400 bucks. Expensive clothes never worn, that stationary bicycle they never use, etc.

One less fast food meal a week for a year would get you 400.

If I could discuss one marketing aspect that seems to really fuck up the average consumer it is this idea they deserve something. Marketers always use that angle to get you buy shit.

"Don't you deserve a new car?"

But I can't afford it.

Don't worry we can finance it. Bad credit, no credit, no job, no problem.

Ok let's get me a new car I deserve.


There is some commercial on tv about investing and one line in it says, "so you daughter can afford college like she deserves." Maybe if she got good grades and was going to get a useful degree. But not just because she is my kid. I'd rather toss that money into a trust that she couldn't access until 40 so she grows up smart about life than some shit degree that she get through a for profit college.

Bottom line, no one deserves shit just because they wake up at some point in the morning. This is the problem with Sanders supporters they think they deserve good things in life. How about less whining and more working?

Have to reiterate: people can't budget when left on their own. Seems like a juvenile solution to this would be to have something like those automatic IRA or 401k contributions, but instead towards paying for future health care premiums.

Americans see the $4,000+ in their paycheques that Canadians have discreetly docked from their paycheques through taxes. Americans just need to know how to sock it away.

Post: #274

^If you have a health care plan in America, the money is deducted from your paycheque.

My former company had a head office in Tampa, I asked a colleague once how much he pays for healthcare and it was around $200 per paycheque.

So as you can see the Americans pay directly into their healthcare, that is those that actually have it.

Post: #275

Rudebwoy, I don't even have this argument anymore, people who are against any level of socialized medicine can't even hear the reasons.