Post: #1

Around men. The theme today seems to believe that social skills are only a "men's thing and that it's entirely a man's job to learn better social skills in order to 'please' women, but fact is a lot of women are just as clueless about guys as some guys are about girls.

Here's just a few examples:

One time I took a girl home and she asked me if I was a virgin - and this wasn't a diss, it was just her talking to me like she would one of her girl friends - they ask personal questions like that and think nothing of it, but ask a guy that question and he's going to take it as an insult.

Another time I was out and feeling a little stressed, and a girl who was friends of someone I knew started talking to me like I was a 5 year old son in front of other guys (ex. telling me to "cheer up" and all that), and she was so clueless she didn't realize how insulting this looks.

When I see girls act like this it does make me worried about all of the kids growing up without a dad - because some of this girls don't realize how socially inappropriate it is to talk to a grown man like he's an innocent little snowflake who needs to share all of his feelings, and this is what their raising their sons to be without the input from a man.

What are some socially clueless things that girls do that you guys have seen personally?

Post: #2

Your examples sound more like shit tests (that you appeared to have failed) than social awkwardness to me.

Post: #3

You have it backwards.

It's a woman's job to be social and establish positive relationships with peers.

It's a mans job to be self-reliant.

Post: #4

I agree, I think they were shit tests. All women shit test. Girls shit test their dad. Women even shit test their kids.

Post: #5

(01-26-2016 10:06 AM)Windom Earle Wrote:  Your examples sound more like shit tests (that you appeared to have failed) than social awkwardness to me.

They weren't - I know actual shit tests, these were just clueless women.

For example, the "virgin" incident happened after I was drunk and took a chubby girl home, we were in bed but after I started to sober up I regretted it and just messed around instead of having sex (because I didn't really want to see her naked)

After we were done she asked me that comment because I didn't have sex with her (I decided to play nice and not tell her the real reason, lol)

The other girl wasn't even a girl I was trying to date she was just the female friend of someone I knew.

Post: #6

The way I see it is that women are capable of being social when they need contributions from others to achieve a goal, and to not hurt their social values. Other than in these 2 instances, women have a brain that works internally, while us men have a brain that works externally.

So it's not really a matter of them being social retards per say, but the fact that women see the world revolving around them intrinsically. That's the reason why most women simply don't give a shit in public transit and basically expect you to move out the way. Same thing when women walk into sharp corners: they expect the way to be clear since they see it clear at that instant.

Ever since I read this a while back in a book, I always laugh my ass off when women bump into each other in trasit and in the mall since it is a collison course between 2 intrisic minds. Seduction wise you gotta jump on these since it's a sure way to get a good laugh out of it.

For instance, I would have taken the I've seen some Porn movies, but never had a chance to practice it with a Huge grin on my face. Or when they do some selfish shit wmyou call em out on it. Women won't change, so use their intrisic ways to get some laughs on them!

Post: #7

Anyone else hear the Seinfeld theme when they read the thread title?

Post: #8

@Lucky
I do now!

Post: #9

If anything I would say women have at least better social intuition. They seem to be better at reading someone's body language and tells as well as a person's mood in order to figure out how a person's feeling.

If there's one area I would women are socially retarded in it would be in trying to show interest in a guy or to approach him. They simply don't have the practice a lot of guys do being that even a completely mediocre girl will still be getting approached by thirsty guys on the regular while a similar guy could go his entire life without being approached once by a girl.

I remember one time back when I was in college I was in line getting food. I was scanning the area and accidentally made eye contact with a girl behind me. I turned back around and after a few seconds I heard her say "Oh excuse me do you know how much this (insert food item here) cost?" I said "There's a menu with the prices up in front it just take a look at it when you get up in front". She then followed up with "I have some gummi worms, do you want one?" So yeah there's female game for you. Unfortunately I was just as romantically retarded at that time in my life so nothing came of it.

There was another girl in class that would randomly try to talk to me. I remember one of her "openers" if you want to call it that was for her to be drinking an ice tea and then turning to me to say "This ice tea is too sweet I think they put too much sugar in it" which just made me respond "Uh, I'm sorry to hear that?"

Post: #10

(01-26-2016 09:57 AM)EDantes Wrote:  Around men. The theme today seems to believe that social skills are only a "men's thing and that it's entirely a man's job to learn better social skills in order to 'please' women, but fact is a lot of women are just as clueless about guys as some guys are about girls.

Here's just a few examples:

One time I took a girl home and she asked me if I was a virgin - and this wasn't a diss, it was just her talking to me like she would one of her girl friends - they ask personal questions like that and think nothing of it, but ask a guy that question and he's going to take it as an insult.

Another time I was out and feeling a little stressed, and a girl who was friends of someone I knew started talking to me like I was a 5 year old son in front of other guys (ex. telling me to "cheer up" and all that), and she was so clueless she didn't realize how insulting this looks.

When I see girls act like this it does make me worried about all of the kids growing up without a dad - because some of this girls don't realize how socially inappropriate it is to talk to a grown man like he's an innocent little snowflake who needs to share all of his feelings, and this is what their raising their sons to be without the input from a man.

What are some socially clueless things that girls do that you guys have seen personally?

Respect levels have fallen drastically in the last 20 years. Combine that with the near inability to correct female behavior without risking yourself and the future is grim. Pick female companions wisely.

Post: #11

You came up with some pretty broad conclusions based on some limited interactions.

Have you ever thought maybe your social skills are at fault?

You did say you know shit tests really well though. Can you explain your perspective on those, what they are and how you got so good at recognizing them?

Looking forward to your response...

Post: #12

(01-26-2016 11:29 AM)Cobra Wrote:  You came up with some pretty broad conclusions based on some limited interactions.

I think social skills applies to men and women. I agree with the guy above that women are usually better at reading body language in general, but some women definitely have bad social skills or knowledge of what guys want - they think guys think just like women think (and vice versa with guys who are clueless around women).

Look up Tariq Nasheed and a show he was own where women were giving each other horrible "advice" on what a man wants from women in the bed (even including tidbits such as putting a dildo in his ass).

Quote:Have you ever thought maybe your social skills are at fault?

Oh I'm sure I'm not socially perfect, but that's not my take on this issue.

My issue is that we guys don't usually expect women to have good 'social skills' as long as they have tits and a pulse and are down to f- we put up with a lot of annoyances.

Quote:You did say you know shit tests really well though. Can you explain your perspective on those, what they are and how you got so good at recognizing them?

Looking forward to your response...

I'm good at reading body language and tone of voice - if someone's just 'asking a question' versus fucking with you or shit testing it's not that hard to tell if you just pay attention to "how they're saying it" versus what they're saying.

Post: #13

(01-26-2016 11:24 AM)Wutang Wrote:  I remember one time back when I was in college I was in line getting food. I was scanning the area and accidentally made eye contact with a girl behind me. I turned back around and after a few seconds I heard her say "Oh excuse me do you know how much this (insert food item here) cost?" I said "There's a menu with the prices up in front it just take a look at it when you get up in front". She then followed up with "I have some gummi worms, do you want one?" So yeah there's female game for you. Unfortunately I was just as romantically retarded at that time in my life so nothing came of it.

I am definitely using this.

Post: #14

I'm sure smart phones have something to do with this: only interacting with others through a little screen using social media and endless positive reinforcement does not do a person good. I've noticed this with the women who work for me: the older ones who didn't grow up with smart phones are great with customers, the teenage/early 20's ones are verging on being socially autistic. If they didn't look so good I'd fire them!

Post: #15

(01-26-2016 04:16 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  I'm sure smart phones have something to do with this: only interacting with others through a little screen using social media and endless positive reinforcement does not do a person good. I've noticed this with the women who work for me: the older ones who didn't grow up with smart phones are great with customers, the teenage/early 20's ones are verging on being socially autistic. If they didn't look so good I'd fire them!

I agree with this. Endless amounts of social media have replaced real-life socialization. Lots of young people don't get even get together much anymore. They just communicate through social media or text each other. Not surprisingly, their social skills are stunted.

Post: #16

(01-26-2016 09:57 AM)EDantes Wrote:  Around men. The theme today seems to believe that social skills are only a "men's thing and that it's entirely a man's job to learn better social skills in order to 'please' women, but fact is a lot of women are just as clueless about guys as some guys are about girls.

Here's just a few examples:

One time I took a girl home and she asked me if I was a virgin - and this wasn't a diss, it was just her talking to me like she would one of her girl friends - they ask personal questions like that and think nothing of it, but ask a guy that question and he's going to take it as an insult.

Another time I was out and feeling a little stressed, and a girl who was friends of someone I knew started talking to me like I was a 5 year old son in front of other guys (ex. telling me to "cheer up" and all that), and she was so clueless she didn't realize how insulting this looks.

When I see girls act like this it does make me worried about all of the kids growing up without a dad - because some of this girls don't realize how socially inappropriate it is to talk to a grown man like he's an innocent little snowflake who needs to share all of his feelings, and this is what their raising their sons to be without the input from a man.

What are some socially clueless things that girls do that you guys have seen personally?

Maybe it wasn't directly a diss but talking to you like she would take to a girl friend is just as bad. You said you took her home so I'm confused. Was this a ride or a bang?

Post: #17

Have you noticed most young men and young women's social skills in general lately?

For the most part they suck.

And

I'm young myself(mid 20s)and notice a difference between people my age and just 5 years younger. The way they interact in person is completely different.

The technology, social media and cell phones have pretty much been involved in their entire lives. They always had that outlet where they could socialize over the internet, through video games, social media, whatever... where they didn't actually socialize with people.

They never had to learn social skills to the extent that people from different generations did because they didn't have to. As a result, those social skills suffer.

Plus women generally are better socially because they focus much more on emotions, attention and status which for the most part men don't care about.

Post: #18

(01-26-2016 09:57 AM)EDantes Wrote:  Another time I was out and feeling a little stressed, and a girl who was friends of someone I knew started talking to me like I was a 5 year old son in front of other guys (ex. telling me to "cheer up" and all that), and she was so clueless she didn't realize how insulting this looks.

I just had a girl do something similar to me yesterday. I know her intention wasn't to sound condescending however hearing words like that come from a girl 9 years my junior had me do a mental double-take.

Post: #19

It's true that some women have terrible social skills. Also, some women have excellent social skills.

But what the OP has described comes down to the fact that, right now in 2016, women face absolutely zero consequences for bad behaviour or saying offensive things.

Post: #20

(01-26-2016 05:01 PM)Grange Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 09:57 AM)EDantes Wrote:  Around men. The theme today seems to believe that social skills are only a "men's thing and that it's entirely a man's job to learn better social skills in order to 'please' women, but fact is a lot of women are just as clueless about guys as some guys are about girls.

Here's just a few examples:

One time I took a girl home and she asked me if I was a virgin - and this wasn't a diss, it was just her talking to me like she would one of her girl friends - they ask personal questions like that and think nothing of it, but ask a guy that question and he's going to take it as an insult.

Another time I was out and feeling a little stressed, and a girl who was friends of someone I knew started talking to me like I was a 5 year old son in front of other guys (ex. telling me to "cheer up" and all that), and she was so clueless she didn't realize how insulting this looks.

When I see girls act like this it does make me worried about all of the kids growing up without a dad - because some of this girls don't realize how socially inappropriate it is to talk to a grown man like he's an innocent little snowflake who needs to share all of his feelings, and this is what their raising their sons to be without the input from a man.

What are some socially clueless things that girls do that you guys have seen personally?

Maybe it wasn't directly a diss but talking to you like she would take to a girl friend is just as bad. You said you took her home so I'm confused. Was this a ride or a bang?

Was a bang, we had been drinking and made out, but when I stared to sober up I realized she looked better when I was drunk, so I just messed around instead of going all the way.

Post: #21

(01-26-2016 09:08 PM)Biologist Wrote:  It's true that some women have terrible social skills. Also, some women have excellent social skills.

But what the OP has described comes down to the fact that, right now in 2016, women face absolutely zero consequences for bad behaviour or saying offensive things.

Yeah, that's what I was giving at. Even if a woman's obese or talks and curses like a truck driver, she can still find hordes of deseperate dudes who're willing to hit that and validate her sense of "hotness" so why should she bother working on her weight, using basic manners, when all she things she needs is a pussy and a pulse, etc?

The stories on the news are testimony to that - when you hear the stories about the negligent weave-wearing ghetto moms who've had 8 kids with 5 different dads, they're usually the most beastly women out there.

Post: #22

Another example off the top of my head.

One time I was banging with an old FWB and after we were done she randomly asked me "do I remind you of your mom?" - and I felt really awkward.

Post: #23

(01-26-2016 10:08 AM)LINUX Wrote:  You have it backwards.

It's a woman's job to be social and establish positive relationships with peers.

It's a mans job to be self-reliant.

I agree that men should be independent and women social, but I don't think the amount of charisma and social skills men need to be manly should be understated. Many of the most powerful, influential, successful, etc men had great persuasive skills ( which is one of the most important social skills to possess. But social skills aside from persuasion, humor, holding frame, body language, the ability to hold an intelligent conversation and only a handful of others, are women's interests. This includes gossip, pointless small talk, shit tests and the like.

Post: #24

(01-26-2016 10:06 AM)Windom Earle Wrote:  Your examples sound more like shit tests (that you appeared to have failed) than social awkwardness to me.

Would have to second this. Todays women are never going to beacons of high level social skill because they are rarely if ever required to utilise such skills. What this means is that invariably their conversation is just one giant shit test trimming the fat from her numerous daily encounters. Some are decent in their shit testing, others are weak such as the girls here [Which is probably why the confusion exists]…

…IMO every mans default should always be self reliance. If a guy asked you such a shit question you would call them out. A woman is no different.

Post: #25

Quote:Ever notice how some women have horrible social skills?

....Some?!?!