Post: #1

I'll try my best to explain this weird situation I have in my mind..

Whenever I feel the need to validate an opinion of mine or even look up some information on a subject, my brain automatically starts to look at the sources of this information.(E.g male or female)/The style of the information/How professional do they look etc. With that noted, 8 or 9 times out 10 I will discredit a woman if she is speaking about the subject I'm curious about.

I'll give you a few examples. As of right now I'm starting to learn some basic HTML/CSS, and we all know Youtube in the last couple of years has become a good resource for learning about any sort of topic/field. As I come across helpful videos on the subject I naturally will think "How the fuck will this woman know anything?" and start to move on, even if the video could contain a wealth of info and she could be very intelligent (My opinion is that if a woman is programming then she must have done a good job suppressing her emotions and boosting her analytical brain.(Even in the video she was talking a bit on the emotional side but the info was really good too)

I'm starting to think that I have this natural bias against women in general, possibly due to the fact that I find it hard to take them seriously. Any opinion on a serious topic I hear or see, my brain will put up this invisible brick wall to reinforce the idea that woman are stupid.

It's something I'm trying to wrap my head around. It's as if my ego says "oh here we fucking go and I'm standing there with my arms folded waiting for some spiel to be released from her mouth"(Usually the conversation is filled with "like,like,like,uhm,yeah,uhm,i dunno like"), you get the picture? But we all know that this is a bit crazy to think like this, yet at the same time my brain remembers' that women are feeble child like adults and I should take these things with a grain of salt.

I'm inclined more to listen to a man talking about the subject because he'll be logically straightforward. My mother is quite rational and isn't all over the place like women today, so I don't discount every single thing a woman says, It's just this sort of strange conflict I have in my mind which I think is hurting my relationships with women.

But where do I draw the line between thinking I should pursue listening to this woman (logically and rationally) versus cutting the cord sooner because I know that whatever she is saying is useless to me? Is this part of the red pill I've just discovered? I started reading this forum when I was 17

Post: #2

When I read book or movie reviews on Amazon, I usually skip over the women's reviews. I want a man's point of view.

Post: #3

@robreke I do that too except I do it with millions of other things too

Post: #4

Good advice is that which is useful and works regardless who gives it. Period. Good content is good content. The status of the person giving advice only implies that he or she did something well before and people recognized. But discrediting information because it comes from a woman is beyond ridiculous. How can she know something you don't? Maybe because she put in the work that you didn't, maaan.

Post: #5

I blame feminism

Post: #6

Especially on the Internet, when it's obvious the information is coming from a woman, I do tend to discount it, mostly because it gets boosted by other women and Beta males as "good advice" simply because it came from a woman.

Plus we all know women like attention as much as men like sex.

In my opinion, if a woman on the Internet wanted to be taken seriously, she'd omit mentioning that she's a woman. She doesn't have to lie and say she's a man. The point is that the ideas stand on their own merit.

Post: #7

(01-23-2016 02:53 AM)XXL Wrote:  Good advice is that which is useful and works regardless who gives it. Period. Good content is good content. The status of the person giving advice only implies that he or she did something well before and people recognized. But discrediting information because it comes from a woman is beyond ridiculous. How can she know something you don't? Maybe because she put in the work that you didn't, maaan.

Exactly. Women are great when giving advice on what clothes look good, what foods go together, if you need to get a present for someone, and other women stuff.

Men are good at advice for things like business, sports, personal/military conflict, book reviews, winning, etc.

So it's not that men should discredit women when they give advice, so much as men should be aware of the lanes of expertise that women have, and use that as a shortcut when ignoring them when they step into men's lanes.

Post: #8

I'm a bit flabbergasted by some of you to say the least. From the sound of it, it looks like some of you have taken the men>women a bit too far.

Like XXL rightfully mentioned, good content/information/advice etc are good because of used arguments/research and such. There's tons of women who have greater knowledge about tons of subjects than I (or even the majority of men) do. Same thing for us men vs women. For me, it doesn't AT ALL matter if the source is male of female, as long as the content is good. And that is exactly why you should never follow just one source but you do some extended (re)searching yourself.

Post: #9

(01-23-2016 01:00 PM)Stimulus Wrote:  I would even take it this far that sometimes women even give great game advice, however mostly they didn't intend to do so. I think this thread can be turned into a great guide to the incredibly importance of the ability of listening to people.

The better a person becomes at listening the more he'll be able to see how a person is talking from a certain worldview.

The first basic root of a worldview is masculine vs feminine. A woman will always see the world through a feminine pair of glasses. However, some women are born with a more masculine way of seeing so those glasses will have that type of "tint" to it.

Then there are other types of "tint" mixed in that contribute to the make-up or their glasses, most of which are a priori, but some due to their upbringing.

So, it's completely natural for a man to not take anything a woman says seriously. After all, he has is pair of glasses too. It's always been that way, but modern feminism has now faulted men for doing so. Not only should men take women seriously, but children also. Pretty absurd, but that's where American culture is today.

A woman certainly has better knowledge in areas than men such as cooking, home-making, charity, mercy and intuition though maybe less so with the modern-day animus possessed types.

Post: #10

(01-23-2016 01:00 PM)Stimulus Wrote:  I'm a bit flabbergasted by some of you to say the least. From the sound of it, it looks like some of you have taken the men>women a bit too far.

Like XXL rightfully mentioned, good content/information/advice etc are good because of used arguments/research and such. There's tons of women who have greater knowledge about tons of subjects than I (or even the majority of men) do. Same thing for us men vs women. For me, it doesn't AT ALL matter if the source is male of female, as long as the content is good. And that is exactly why you should never follow just one source but you do some extended (re)searching yourself.

I agree. If I have a question about biochemistry or something, and my options are to ask a woman who does research in the field, or a man who just got his bachelors, who am I gonna pick?

There are some brilliant women out there with lots skill in a variety of areas - you'd be wrong to count them out on that one just because they can sometimes be retarded when it comes to their personal life.

I know a guy who hired a female engineer in her 20s a few years back, sure, I bet she flakes on dates sometimes, but her skill makes his company bank. He wouldn't have hired her if her qualifications didn't wreck all the male candidates in the running.

Post: #11

No. We live in a blue pill society here in the West.

But being stridently against women isn't an optimal strategy either.

What you're not seeing is the difference in communication style, female expectation, male expectation and societal expectation

Society - If a question is asked, the asker wants to hear a definitive no nonsense answer, period. This is regardless of who's asking the question and who's giving the answer.

Men - If I ask a question, that I think has a definitive answer, I expect that from whoever answers. But I'm more willing to let a man give me a nuanced answer that pertains the issue. This is at the subconscious level. I don't go into that situation thinking this. But the man who gives nuance, does not change his emotional tone at all.

When I ask that question of a woman, I can only accept a nonsense answer. But a woman's nature is to not only touch on the nuance, but change her tone based on who she's talking to.

If I ask a chick a question, and she believes that she's above me in the social order, it's very possible that what I get is a very dismissive answer - adding an emotional undertone to what I was asking. And often, a chick with her sassy remark or bitchy tone - can actually get a man off of his emotional bent of the moment.

This has happened so much to me in my life, that I am very careful about talking to women in general. Especially at the workplace.

A guy can do this, but if a cat comes at me wrong, I know where we stand. A chick can come out of the pocket at 10 AM and be cool as 11:15 am.

The mouth breather just wants to knock all the chess pieces off the board. A player can not afford to lose his cool.

Women - Like I said above, they may or may not know the answer, and prefer not to say definitively one way or another. This way they can't be blamed. As a gender, they very much love to avoid responsibility and accountability.

On top of that, there's always an emotional undercurrent and a gossipy element.

"What's the answer to 2+2=?"

- she says 4, in a questioning tone
- then she asks herself, why did I ask that question, and what does it mean to her social status.

__________________________________________

So I think it's a bad idea to automatically discount women (or any group). If you don't want your game skills to get better, you won't.

If you want them to get better, you'll engage women all the time and get a sense of the rhythm.

Otherwise, this post doesn't belong on the game board.

WIA

Post: #12

I drank too much so bear with me please.

(01-23-2016 01:21 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 01:00 PM)Stimulus Wrote:  I would even take it this far that sometimes women even give great game advice, however mostly they didn't intend to do so. I think this thread can be turned into a great guide to the incredibly importance of the ability of listening to people.

The better a person becomes at listening the more he'll be able to see how a person is talking from a certain worldview.

The first basic root of a worldview is masculine vs feminine. A woman will always see the world through a feminine pair of glasses. However, some women are born with a more masculine way of seeing so those glasses will have that type of "tint" to it.

Then there are other types of "tint" mixed in that contribute to the make-up or their glasses, most of which are a priori, but some due to their upbringing.

So, it's completely natural for a man to not take anything a woman says seriously. After all, he has is pair of glasses too. It's always been that way, but modern feminism has now faulted men for doing so. Not only should men take women seriously, but children also. Pretty absurd, but that's where American culture is today.

A woman certainly has better knowledge in areas than men such as cooking, home-making, charity, mercy and intuition though maybe less so with the modern-day animus possessed types.

For the most part I do certainly agree with you. Yet in my opninion men should take women seriously, men should take children seriously aswell. When they speak, listen. When they act, observe. Take in what you've just heard or what you've seen and filter out all nonsense, just like we do regarding Game.

Even if for the most of it it's bullshit, we might still learn.

To me, it's just too short-sighted disregarding everything they say and do beforehand. It's a bit like not taking a newb serious because he's a newb, even if what he's saying makes sense, tho he might be killing it in real life for years already.
(No, I'm in no way referring to myself)

(01-23-2016 01:56 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  No. We live in a blue pill society here in the West.

But being stridently against women isn't an optimal strategy either.

What you're not seeing is the difference in communication style, female expectation, male expectation and societal expectation

Society - If a question is asked, the asker wants to hear a definitive no nonsense answer, period. This is regardless of who's asking the question and who's giving the answer.

Men - If I ask a question, that I think has a definitive answer, I expect that from whoever answers. But I'm more willing to let a man give me a nuanced answer that pertains the issue. This is at the subconscious level. I don't go into that situation thinking this. But the man who gives nuance, does not change his emotional tone at all.

When I ask that question of a woman, I can only accept a nonsense answer. But a woman's nature is to not only touch on the nuance, but change her tone based on who she's talking to.

If I ask a chick a question, and she believes that she's above me in the social order, it's very possible that what I get is a very dismissive answer - adding an emotional undertone to what I was asking. And often, a chick with her sassy remark or bitchy tone - can actually get a man off of his emotional bent of the moment.

This has happened so much to me in my life, that I am very careful about talking to women in general. Especially at the workplace.

A guy can do this, but if a cat comes at me wrong, I know where we stand. A chick can come out of the pocket at 10 AM and be cool as 11:15 am.

The mouth breather just wants to knock all the chess pieces off the board. A player can not afford to lose his cool.

Women - Like I said above, they may or may not know the answer, and prefer not to say definitively one way or another. This way they can't be blamed. As a gender, they very much love to avoid responsibility and accountability.

On top of that, there's always an emotional undercurrent and a gossipy element.

"What's the answer to 2+2=?"

- she says 4, in a questioning tone
- then she asks herself, why did I ask that question, and what does it mean to her social status.

__________________________________________

So I think it's a bad idea to automatically discount women (or any group). If you don't want your game skills to get better, you won't.

If you want them to get better, you'll engage women all the time and get a sense of the rhythm.

Otherwise, this post doesn't belong on the game board.

WIA

You pointed out some great differences here that clarify why I can somewhat relate to the OP. That is, if he stated he finds it difficult to keep listening when women talk.

One of the reasons why most men have trouble keeping concentrated while talking with women is because of what you said. Women somehow have a tendency of creating a sort of novel in order to give an answer. In stead of just giving you a straight up answer to your question, women run around the place checking if they didn't forget anything that MIGHT be important. Needless to say, 99/100 cases everything she thought was important, wasn't. While men, we just take a straight line home. So finally she's done preaching her answer and it took a grinding 2 minutes for her to say what most men would've said in 30 seconds, because they cut out the nonsense.

Mind you, this is when she's ok with you. If she's not, well WIA is pretty clear about it.

The above, in combination with her constant 'tone-spree' makes it very difficult for most men to keep concentrated and involved in the conversation. Women can't help it, we can't help it. Is how we're wired.

Like WIA I've experienced this happening quite a lot at birthday party's and such. I just can't keep focused when woman or a group of women is talking and I soon notice myself drifting off in my mind, thinking about.. Whatever.

In fact, I wrote this because somewhere deep inside my twisted brain I recall having read an article about a study that proves that men have trouble listening to a woman speaking because of the sound of voice. If I'm correct the sound and tone of a womens' voice triggers some area in our brain that makes it really hard for us to keep engaged in the conversation.

Post: #13

(01-23-2016 09:01 PM)Stimulus Wrote:  You pointed out some great differences here that clarify why I can somewhat relate to the OP. That is, if he stated he finds it difficult to keep listening when women talk.

One of the reasons why most men have trouble keeping concentrated while talking with women is because of what you said. Women somehow have a tendency of creating a sort of novel in order to give an answer. In stead of just giving you a straight up answer to your question, women run around the place checking if they didn't forget anything that MIGHT be important. Needless to say, 99/100 cases everything she thought was important, wasn't. While men, we just take a straight line home. So finally she's done preaching her answer and it took a grinding 2 minutes for her to say what most men would've said in 30 seconds, because they cut out the nonsense.

Women give overly detailed, convoluted answers because they never want to take responsibiity for anything. They want you to take make a decision and take responsibility. So they talk forever, so you can't blame them for leaving anything out.

Post: #14

I wonder how women treat you in general. Do you get worshipped by women so that makes you look down on them for anything? or the opposite?

It's Common to discount them if they are in men's field for first few times.

Eg: I was at home depot. this female employee approached me asking if I needed help. I asked some paint related question and she answered. I wasn't sure I had to follow her advice. She kind of figured out I wasn't trusting her opinion and showed subtle frustrated look. After I ran into her few times, I realized I could trust her advice.

When I call in for some technical advice, I don't tell my stories in detail to a female answering the phone. She will probably transfer it to some tech guy and I would have to say it all over again. so I just say 'I'd like to speak to a tech' then they transfer me.

I don't think this is ignorant at all. What if I was a normal looking guy working in typical female position? eg: will they discount me when it comes to asking skincare, makeup advice? I would have to prove myself for them to trust me.

Post: #15

The age old Maxim applies:
Pay attention to what women do, not what they say.

If the woman giving advice has credentials and years of experience that prove her knowledge on the subject then I wouldn't discount it.

To be honest I find myself researching the backgrounds of men too. As soon as I suspect any hint of a cuck behind the keyboard I immediately discount everything being said.

Post: #16

What Nomad said. Every so often you can get great advice or opinions from women, but keep in mind that they're both more emotionally perceptive and more emotionally influenced. That can make for either great advice or terrible advice depending on the topic or the personality of the female in question. I've gotte some very good game feedback from female acquaintances in the past, coupled with a ton of terrible feedback. They're very good at noticing when you're acting in a way that's causing problems but also (for the most part) bad at diagnosing it or figuring out good solutions.

E.g. women will spot it in an instant if you're timid but the "just be yourself" advice is awful if taken at face value. You need to be able to translate that into male language where it means "your lack of confidence is unattractive".

Post: #17

I think most advice you hear usually isn't good, but if there's ever a good piece of advice you come across, it will be a man's.

Good advice comes from virtue of experience and the wisdom to process it. Women rarely tend to possess both.

Unless it has something to do with keeping your home in order and taking care of your family, coming from a traditional women, I would just filter out all women advice.

Post: #18

I think I'll become a good boy and start listening to women more. And if the content is garbage then so be it, I won't point the finger at myself for thinking that it was a waste of time listening to her. It is what it is.

Gracias for the replies, gents.

Post: #19

If a woman is writing dating relationship advice for men then yes it's biased and I filter through it.

Women usually don't give (or don't understand) the raw honest truth, and a lot of their advice is what creates those fake "nice guys" who can't get laid.

Women's dating advice is almost always something along the lines of "I want a nice, sensitive guy who treats me with respect"

But what the nice guys don't realize is that when a girl is saying this, she's talking about a guy along the lines of Luke Perry in Beverly Hills 90210, not an approval seeking toadie which most "nice guys" are.

Women in general just have a hard time being brutally honest because they're too afraid of offending people, most of them aren't aware of how to describe the "alpha" qualities they like in men without sounding like a slut so they over-sanitize everything they say just to avoid looking 'selfish'.

"I think you're really sweet" = "I think you're a dweeb"

"I want to be friends" = "I'm not attracted to you but afraid to tell you so I'll let you hang out with me just out of pity"

"I want a nice, sensitive guy" = "I want a guy who's not going to rape and kill me but is still a man, like James Bond"

"I like nerdy guys" = "I like guys like Tony Stark on the avengers, but not an overweight, balding 30 year old WoW addict"