Post: #76

(07-20-2011 05:35 PM)Qtip Wrote:  I'm 5'11" and don't consider height a problem. I do think I would be better off if i was 6'3" though.

No, you would not be better off. It might have been a little easier with some women, and harder with some other women. As stated above, Style is 5'6" and was still named the best pickup artist in the world.

Think about how lucky you are: when you deal with women the game always beats your looks and other physical characteristics. However no amount of game would help an ugly fat chick to attract a confident dude, she will just have no way to present her amazing personality as she'd be written off immediately.

Post: #77

I didn't create this thread implying that smaller guys were at a disadvantage or would have less game because of height. I simply stated that height alone can create a presence in a room full of people. I was asking how those who lacked height compensated to develop a similar presence.

Post: #78

(07-20-2011 11:25 PM)hoops330 Wrote:  I didn't create this thread implying that smaller guys were at a disadvantage or would have less game because of height. I simply stated that height alone can create a presence in a room full of people. I was asking how those who lacked height compensated to develop a similar presence.

Those without height just have to be more gregarious (open and sociable). There are no doubts about it. In fact, some women are actually intimidated by men who are tall (if they are also big) and won't fcuk them.

I think short men can ease into many situations because women don't seem them as a threat and end up fcuking them.

You have to come in with that voice, make lots of eye contact and act like you own the joint. Not in a bossy way, just a confident, self assured fashion.

Post: #79

(07-05-2011 03:49 PM)theIVth Wrote:  Height is something that you might as well put out of your mind cause you cant change how short or tall you are.

Worrying about it wont do anything to help you.

Just put your bid in and let the chips fall where they may.

This really should've been voted "Post Of The Day" regarding this thread!

Post: #80

Are you short players pulling chicks significantly taller than you? I'm pretty tall so I never really come across a chick that's "too tall for me".

If a chick walks in that's a head above you, do you just go for it like it's nothing or do you focus your energies on other chicks?

Post: #81

(07-22-2011 11:57 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  If a chick walks in that's a head above you, do you just go for it like it's nothing or do you focus your energies on other chicks?

Whether a chick IOIs is more important than height or anything else.

I notice that women taller than myself do show IOIs, I speculate for reasons described before-- they want to expand their pool beyond the small number of not-taken guys taller than them.

At the same time, a significant number of women do say they want a guy taller than them: sometimes significantly taller.

I've seen ads by women 5'6" who specify she wants someone over 6'.

Post: #82

(07-16-2011 08:07 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Neil Strauss wrote the New York Times bestseller "The Game", which was the first mass market information disseminated about Game. Central to it was his relationship with Mystery, whom Strauss regarded as a genius.

The book accounts Strauss's transformation from someone who had covered as a writer world-famous rock band Motley Crue-- with backstage passes and full access,-- but stated the only person he got a kiss from even in those favorable circumstances was Tommy Lee.

This is literally one of the funniest things I've read or heard all week! Lol. It also gives hope to any who feel their looks will inevitably always stand in their way!

Post: #83

(07-22-2011 11:57 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Are you short players pulling chicks significantly taller than you? I'm pretty tall so I never really come across a chick that's "too tall for me".

If a chick walks in that's a head above you, do you just go for it like it's nothing or do you focus your energies on other chicks?

Yes.

Just like picking up a short chick, you need tight game. As others have noted, very tall girls (5'11"+) are often less picky about height than moderately tall (5'7"-5'10") girls are. Girls who are shorter than that may claim they want a really tall guy, but when she's being gamed in the field, those standards crumble. It's the moderately tall girls who are pickiest about height.

Post: #84

I don't think there's anything that can be done about height. Short guys should learn to live with it. Besides, there are height increasing shoes known as elevator shoes. Sly wears elevator shoes all the time, and he doesn't look as short as he is and that's awesome.

Post: #85

Within my own circle of friends and acquaintances, women like height. They like a guy to be around 6' minimum. They want a guy to be at least a head taller than them when they're wearing heels. I've found women are more uncomfortable being taller than their guy than he probably feels being shorter than his woman. I don't believe MOST women would disqualify I man they truly liked just because he wasn't quite tall enough, but much shorter guys can only make up the difference with tightness of game. Much taller, good-looking guys won't necessarily pull and bang if their game is weak either. His height and looks can be a door opener, but he may not be able to close.

I had a hilarious conversation with an acquaintence some years ago. She's barely 5' tall, but cute with a nice, thick ass. She was raving about this guy she went out on a date with, about how nice, funny, cute he was. I had the feeling a "but" was coming, and I was right. She said he was only 5'5". I'm thinking to myself..."bitch, that's a full 5 inches taller than YOU!" But to her, he was still too short. If she's with a guy much taller than that, she'll look like a dwarf, or the dude's kid! Tricks can be so stupid it's amazing...

Post: #86

(10-26-2011 02:31 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  Within my own circle of friends and acquaintances, women like height. They like a guy to be around 6' minimum. They want a guy to be at least a head taller than them when they're wearing heels. I've found women are more uncomfortable being taller than their guy than he probably feels being shorter than his woman. I don't believe MOST women would disqualify I man they truly liked just because he wasn't quite tall enough, but much shorter guys can only make up the difference with tightness of game. Much taller, good-looking guys won't necessarily pull and bang if their game is weak either. His height and looks can be a door opener, but he may not be able to close.

I had a hilarious conversation with an acquaintence some years ago. She's barely 5' tall, but cute with a nice, thick ass. She was raving about this guy she went out on a date with, about how nice, funny, cute he was. I had the feeling a "but" was coming, and I was right. She said he was only 5'5". I'm thinking to myself..."bitch, that's a full 5 inches taller than YOU!" But to her, he was still too short. If she's with a guy much taller than that, she'll look like a dwarf, or the dude's kid! Tricks can be so stupid it's amazing...

Unfortunately what you said above is so true! I've gone thru it many times. To be honest, most women who are the same height or aren't much taller, will still get with you once you get to know them and they like your style. But being only 5'6 really hurt your chances with girls you're just meeting or the nightclub scene. To be honest, I've been surprised lately just how much it does matter. I honestly didn't consider it all that much when I was younger. However, in later years I've seen wheere it does make a big difference. But like one poster said, there's nothing you can do about it, so you might as well learn to live with it. And you're right, it's especially frustrating when a girl 4'11 is telling me I'm too short for her! To be honest, even a girl my exact height acting as if I'm too short is frustrating. I mean, "you want me to be taller than you while you when you wear heels? So, eevn when you're wearing stilts, I should still be taller?" Ok, I guess...

Post: #87

(10-26-2011 02:31 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  Within my own circle of friends and acquaintances, women like height. They like a guy to be around 6' minimum.

Asking a woman what kind of guy she'd like to meet is plain dumb. They all would like a guy with Johnny Depp's face, Fabio body, Ron Jeremy's dick and Donald Trump's bank account. This doesn't mean this would be the only guy she'd fuck. In fact every guy she fucked before was not even close to that.

Sure, there may be like 2% of women who will NOT go to bed with the guys below 6'. There may also be 2% of women who will NOT go to bed with the guy with less than 8" dick, with a guy who is not Pacific Islander or with a guy who isn't a firefighter or cop. Skip the, and check other 98%.

Post: #88

height helps yes and no...

fact is chicks like tall guys

but if u r short and good looking you will have no problems

another advantage of being short is it is ALOT easier to get ripped/buff

takes guys 6'3 plus lots of time to fill out their long frames

Post: #89

I'm 5"9, the only 'disadvantage' would be that I don't open girls taller than me.. So it takes out a percentage of women that I will ever bang. I could game women taller than me but there are plenty out there shorter than 5"9 so I don't really bother as I would feel a bit self conscious.

Post: #90

(10-27-2011 04:26 AM)big poppa Wrote:  I'm 5"9, the only 'disadvantage' would be that I don't open girls taller than me.. So it takes out a percentage of women that I will ever bang. I could game women taller than me but there are plenty out there shorter than 5"9 so I don't really bother as I would feel a bit self conscious.

That's my problem. At only 5'6, there's millions of girls just as tall or taller than I am! I don't generally game girls taller, since it doesn't have the highest odds, and depending on how much taller they are, I sometimes feel awkward when we're out. However, since there's nothing i can do about it, the show must go on.

Post: #91

(10-27-2011 11:03 AM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 04:26 AM)big poppa Wrote:  I'm 5"9, the only 'disadvantage' would be that I don't open girls taller than me.. So it takes out a percentage of women that I will ever bang. I could game women taller than me but there are plenty out there shorter than 5"9 so I don't really bother as I would feel a bit self conscious.

That's my problem. At only 5'6, there's millions of girls just as tall or taller than I am! I don't generally game girls taller, since it doesn't have the highest odds, and depending on how much taller they are, I sometimes feel awkward when we're out. However, since there's nothing i can do about it, the show must go on.

At 5'7 I'm around your height. I used to have a huge (ha) complex about it, but honestly it doesn't help anything at all to even think about it. It's not like if your problem was that you were fat feeling bad about it may spur you on to lose weight.

I'm no great player, which is why I view great forums like Roosh's to try to improve myself, but even I have banged cute (7's) girls who were a bit taller than me - around 5'9/5'10. If I've learned anything about women from game sites like this it's that 99% of the time you can't take what chicks say seriously. They want this in a guy, they want that in a guy. The lists go on forever but are thrown away in an instant when someone comes along and presses the right buttons.

Trying to live your life based on dry statistics emanating from some antiquated university Sociology department that "proves" that short people have a hard time dating really isn't going to help your state of mind.

Post: #92

(10-27-2011 12:38 PM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 11:03 AM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 04:26 AM)big poppa Wrote:  I'm 5"9, the only 'disadvantage' would be that I don't open girls taller than me.. So it takes out a percentage of women that I will ever bang. I could game women taller than me but there are plenty out there shorter than 5"9 so I don't really bother as I would feel a bit self conscious.

That's my problem. At only 5'6, there's millions of girls just as tall or taller than I am! I don't generally game girls taller, since it doesn't have the highest odds, and depending on how much taller they are, I sometimes feel awkward when we're out. However, since there's nothing i can do about it, the show must go on.

At 5'7 I'm around your height. I used to have a huge (ha) complex about it, but honestly it doesn't help anything at all to even think about it. It's not like if your problem was that you were fat feeling bad about it may spur you on to lose weight.

I'm no great player, which is why I view great forums like Roosh's to try to improve myself, but even I have banged cute (7's) girls who were a bit taller than me - around 5'9/5'10. If I've learned anything about women from game sites like this it's that 99% of the time you can't take what chicks say seriously. They want this in a guy, they want that in a guy. The lists go on forever but are thrown away in an instant when someone comes along and presses the right buttons.

Trying to live your life based on dry statistics emanating from some antiquated university Sociology department that "proves" that short people have a hard time dating really isn't going to help your state of mind.

Lol. Very true. However, I'm not paying attention to statistics. I'm going off of what I've seen in everyday life. I know guys, even unattractive guys, who have gotten women, primarily because they are tall. I've seen thiss with my own eyes. Also, I have overheard women with my own ears, who didn't know I was listening, say things like, "he's cute, too bad he's so short!" Again, I know there's nothing I can do about it, so it shouldn't even be brought up, but I can't help but to recognize that it does matter. And sadly, even going after shorter girls isn't always the answer, since many times they have a bigger complex about dating a short guy than a taller girl does!

Post: #93

(10-27-2011 01:07 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  Lol. Very true. However, I'm not paying attention to statistics. I'm going off of what I've seen in everyday life. I know guys, even unattractive guys, who have gotten women, primarily because they are tall. I've seen thiss with my own eyes. Also, I have overheard women with my own ears, who didn't know I was listening, say things like, "he's cute, too bad he's so short!" Again, I know there's nothing I can do about it, so it shouldn't even be brought up, but I can't help but to recognize that it does matter. And sadly, even going after shorter girls isn't always the answer, since many times they have a bigger complex about dating a short guy than a taller girl does!

Yeah, I've heard the same things. Just like working stiffs have heard a girl say that she wants a rich guy, or a X race guy has overheard that some girl will only fuck Y race guys. As you know the lists and requirements are endless.

At least being short means that since you have no hope of meeting the requirement you also will not waste your time trying to meet the requirement only to have the girl still reject you because you "try too hard".

Yes, some short chicks do have issues with dating short guys. You can always aim for chicks taller than you. Although it's counterintuitive tall chicks often have less of a hang up with the guys height. Another upside of that is considering what goes through a short chicks mind when she sees a guy with a girl noticeably taller than him. It'll probably take a week for her mind to stop spinning from wondering what the deal is. "He must be rich...Oh wait I know him and he's just as broke as I am. What can it be...What can it be...."

I know it's immature, but messing with chicks can be fun sometimes. In her mind a guy with a girl taller than him = massive social proof for him.

Post: #94

I've seen some goofy ass tall guys get rejected hard. A lot of tall guys don't carry themselves like you think they would. I'm 5'8 and never, never, never even thought about my height until I found this forum and seen so many guys talking about it.

Post: #95

(10-27-2011 01:51 PM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 01:07 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  Lol. Very true. However, I'm not paying attention to statistics. I'm going off of what I've seen in everyday life. I know guys, even unattractive guys, who have gotten women, primarily because they are tall. I've seen thiss with my own eyes. Also, I have overheard women with my own ears, who didn't know I was listening, say things like, "he's cute, too bad he's so short!" Again, I know there's nothing I can do about it, so it shouldn't even be brought up, but I can't help but to recognize that it does matter. And sadly, even going after shorter girls isn't always the answer, since many times they have a bigger complex about dating a short guy than a taller girl does!

Yeah, I've heard the same things. Just like working stiffs have heard a girl say that she wants a rich guy, or a X race guy has overheard that some girl will only fuck Y race guys. As you know the lists and requirements are endless.

At least being short means that since you have no hope of meeting the requirement you also will not waste your time trying to meet the requirement only to have the girl still reject you because you "try too hard".

Yes, some short chicks do have issues with dating short guys. You can always aim for chicks taller than you. Although it's counterintuitive tall chicks often have less of a hang up with the guys height. Another upside of that is considering what goes through a short chicks mind when she sees a guy with a girl noticeably taller than him. It'll probably take a week for her mind to stop spinning from wondering what the deal is. "He must be rich...Oh wait I know him and he's just as broke as I am. What can it be...What can it be...."

I know it's immature, but messing with chicks can be fun sometimes. In her mind a guy with a girl taller than him = massive social proof for him.

Good points. Though I will say that the height thing is a little more universal than the other criteria you mentioned. It's a given that most people aren't going to be rich. As far as women preferring a certain race, well, that is a hang up that plagues a lot of guys. However, even that can be overcome by simply finding women who like men of that race. However, a shorter guy is universally considered not a good thing. That's just the truth. Not that its an impossible roadblock.

Someone on here posted and article speaking about San Francisco women who are 6's thinking they're 10's. In this article it actually compares attractive short men to these Frisco women who think they're 10's. It's kinda sad actually. lol.

"The underlying trouble is that an inordinate number of SF women aren't off the mark by much. They're in shape (Crunch Fitness!). They're higher educated (Go Bears!). They're technically stylish (layers!) and socially savvy (He's Just Not That Into You!) and mostly symmetrically featured (sample sale at Sephora!). A decade after getting laughed off the high school cheer-leading squad, they've overachieved their way into the vicinity of the Golden Circle.****** But they're still outside. They live in the halo. They Just Miss.
Just Missing******* is not right or wrong in any moral sense but it is impossibly awkward. The paradigmatic example is the guy who is handsome, clever, and well-built but, at the same time, 5 foot 7. Every grad school class or large corporate office has one of these dudes. He is secretly obsessed with his looks and all the cute girls platonically flirt with (but never date) him and even though he is vaguely cool and caddish he somehow doesn't seem to have any close friends and deep down you suspect he is miserable.
His curse is this: he's fractionally too short to be a Mark Whalberg man-on-campus and fractionally too tall to be a Dudley Moore diminutive wiseacre. He misses by one and a half inches in either direction. And worse, he lives out his days experiencing these brief, throw-away moments when, because everyone around happens to be seated or Asian or he's rollerblading, the world actually perceives and treats him as the unchallenged alpha. He'll spend three months getting used to being above-average ordinary, and then boom! this completely different, totally superior existence is thrown in his face for a moment or two before being ripped away. He'll never grow that one and half inches, and for this he's almost certainly doomed to the comparative obscurity of being pretty cool/athletic/handsome for a short guy, but he never feels 100% sure. There's no one in Palm Beach County to retally the votes and make an official pronouncement. So he can't let go and he can't get comfortable. He's consumed by vain ambitions and counterfactual thinking."

Post: #96

I know this is going to sound rich since I'm spending my time commenting, but the guy who wrote the piece you quoted about short guys in SF clearly has WAY too much time on his hands.

So many people, not just short guys, are obsessed about ONE issue, or ONE unchangeable personal characteristic, they have that they are convinced is the cause of whatever misery they are currently facing. Most people have their own demons, it's just that we are so focussed on our own it's difficult to see others.

But seriously, if being short is an issue for you you should probably do the oposite of what you think you should. i.e. Focus on girls taller than you, rather than shorter. I don't specifically focus on taller girls, but have to say that being out with a taller girls is a blast. There's nothing quite like giving the staid and boringly conventional world a big "Fuck You" to put you in a positive frame of mind.

Post: #97

(10-27-2011 02:30 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  The paradigmatic example is the guy who is handsome, clever, and well-built but, at the same time, 5 foot 7. Every grad school class or large corporate office has one of these dudes. He is secretly obsessed with his looks and all the cute girls platonically flirt with (but never date) him and even though he is vaguely cool and caddish he somehow doesn't seem to have any close friends and deep down you suspect he is miserable.
His curse is this: he's fractionally too short to be a Mark Whalberg man-on-campus and fractionally too tall to be a Dudley Moore diminutive wiseacre.

Probably the funniest thing about this rant is: Mark Wahlberg is 5 foot 7.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000242/bio

Post: #98

Hahahaha. Did a guy write that article? What a fucking nerdy loser. I wonder how he would feel if a short ass guy whooped his ass?

Post: #99

(10-27-2011 03:06 PM)portofmanteau Wrote:  Probably the funniest thing about this rant is: Mark Wahlberg is 5 foot 7.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000242/bio

Classic.

Post: #100

The problem if you're tall is that you develop a tendency to slouch. Fix that and height does benefit you by creating a perception of dominance, although bad game can throw that out the window pretty quick.