Post: #76

In all seriousness everywhere you go, there are weapons all around you. Make it a thought exercise that every time you are out, spot things to be used as weapons.

Last night I was at a mexican restaurant, within my reach I counted at least 4 items to be used in my defense as a weapon. The chair I was sitting on, the glass bottle of soda, a napkin dispenser, the hot sauce containers, and my coat. Now I had a pocket knife and belt that can also be used but those other items I mentioned are often overlooked.

The martial art I've trained in (systema) helps to make you think creatively about every day items. Hell even my hot cup of coffee can be used. Adapt, improvise and overcome!

Here's an example of what I've trained with. (In the very beginning he's using a pen which can be very unassuming and effective)

Post: #77

Stumbled across this thread and did a quick skim. Some good advice, and some horrible advice too.

Based on your criteria of...

-Carry on your person all the time, so small and concealable.
-Easy to obtain and maintain
-Not technically illegal (overlap with above)
-Has decent fatality potential
-Has crowd control capability
-Fast and easily deployed
-Has decent range

The following are the best weapons, in descending order:

1. Situational awareness
2. Situational awareness
3. Situational awareness
4. Body language that projects "go fuck with someone else"
5. 300m dash time
6. Self defense training (I prefer krav)
7. Strong compact flashlight 200+ lumens, no "self defense" bezel necessary, carried in a way that can be deployed with minimal delay

That's it. If you have a car, baseball bat in the trunk.

(01-07-2016 08:03 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 07:43 AM)Lucky Wrote:  I've heard good things about tactical pens and expandable batons.

I have an expendable baton. It's good and cause good damage, but one BIG drawback: since it has no cutting edge, opponents can catch it and try to wrestle it out of you. One on one is fine, but we tested it with my martial artists buddy, even against 2 un-trained but aggressive attackers its very easy to have it wrestled out of you.

Then the baton wielder isn't sufficiently proficient with it. I'm not sure how you "tested" this without breaking any bones or killing one of the two attackers.

Post: #78

^I like your post buddy but I have one big change I think you would accept as well.

5.300 meter dash time

may be better as

5.Learn free running/parkour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX7QNWEGcNI

flips aren't needed but I'd be darned if you cant run

Post: #79

(01-08-2016 01:16 AM)Deepdiver Wrote:  In the USA in all 50 states, no matter the situation - if you are in fear for your life you never give up the right to self defense - this also applies to military personnel when faced with contradictory rules of engagement in a war zone.

Can you elaborate on what this means? Are you saying that if you are carrying an otherwise "illegal" weapon but are discovered due to having to use that weapon in self defense, you will not be penalized for illegal possession?

Post: #80

I'm pretty sure this has already been said in the thread, but I'll just reiterate.

These migrants roam around in packs. If you're talking about forming a gang, they already have the advantage of having nothing better to do with their time than group together and look for trouble. Our society is so compartmentalized you probably won't even have your gang around when you need them.

So what I recommend doing is, first off, develop a strong cardiovascular base. Interval training is a good way to go. Look up rosstraining.com for ideas on how to improve your cardio. Pushups, swings, burpees, sprints, sledgehammer swings, get it done. You can't fight if you have to catch your breath after thirty seconds, and more importantly, you can't run away.

Second off, it's fucking foolish to stand and fight if you have the option to run away. This is a given, don't be billy badass and get killed because you decided to pick a fight with Abdul and his three buddies come out of nowhere and smash your head in with a bottle. The migrants again have the advantage here, they don't care if they go to prison in Europe (it might as well be a three star hotel) and they're a lot harder to identify if there are few witnesses and you're dead.

Third, do not pull out your weapon (knife, baton, whatever) and simply brandish it. That won't scare them like a gun will, it will only escalate what might have been an unpleasant confrontation into a one way ticket to the hospital or a pine box.

Whatever pocket sized melee item you have is strongest when your opponent doesn't know you have it until it's too late. Someone earlier said that there are such a thing as brass knuckle gloves. I looked them up and found SAP gloves, they aren't quite the same but they do have lead shot in the knuckles and they definitely do not look like weapons. They also tend to be legal in most areas because they aren't as lethal. Although SAP gloves add weight to your punches, the impact is spread out (unlike brass knuckles, which are designed to concentrate impact).

As far as a self defense tool, this would be my list of pros and cons.



Pros
-They're gloves. They keep your hands warm.
-They don't look like weapons.
-You can use other weapons while wearing them, like a baton or yawara stick.
-If you can't buy them, you can make them. The internet is your friend.
-It's hard to wrestle a glove off someone's hand.
-The metal in them will protect your hands. These are popular with bouncers.
-As long as you have them on, you can use them. You won't need to wrestle shit out of your pocket or coat. Instant deployment if you get jumped. For this reason alone you might as well go out and buy a pair. I convinced myself to get them while writing this post.

Cons
-Only good at point blank, no extra reach
-You need to know how to throw a punch
-Looks out of place during certain times of the year
-Limits finger dexterity for most things, like calling the cops on your cell or using pepper spray. There are fingerless options though.


I'm sure there's more.

Post: #81

(01-08-2016 05:47 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 01:16 AM)Deepdiver Wrote:  In the USA in all 50 states, no matter the situation - if you are in fear for your life you never give up the right to self defense - this also applies to military personnel when faced with contradictory rules of engagement in a war zone.

Can you elaborate on what this means? Are you saying that if you are carrying an otherwise "illegal" weapon but are discovered due to having to use that weapon in self defense, you will not be penalized for illegal possession?

This is why people also get confused about the alleged 'disappearance of the rule of law'. You don't give up your right of self defence anywhere, in any sane country. In the UK, there is no law of retreat (which I believe there is in some states in the US - I have no reason to know this and may be wrong), and self-defence can be proactive - ie you are allowed to take steps to protect yourself before you have suffered any violence. This means shooting someone carrying a potentially lethal weapon is legal in the UK (assuming you have a licensed weapon and you are somewhere you might legitimately have it, like your home).

Take the following scenario as an illustration:

H1N1 goes out to the pet store, dressed up to the nines, and drawing IOIs left, right and centre as he walks down the street. In the inside pocket (behind his pocket square, obviously) is his ASP baton, which is illegal in the UK. As he walks into the shopping centre, he stops an attractive young policewoman to ask for directions. She blushes, points towards the back of the shopping centre, and when asked if it is any good, she says suggestively that she knows it is about to have at least one mighty fine specimen within its walls. H1N1 holds eye contact and smirks. To break the extended pause, the policewoman offers H1N1 her badge number and radio ID, hastily scrawled on a cautioning slip. H1N1 warns her that perhaps he should be cautioning her for being such a naughty girl. She blushes again, giggles, and goes off to sit late into the night by her HAM radio set, waiting for the call.

H1N1 arrives at the pet store, feeling that by this point there is no reason he could not walk around with a sturdy cane, complete with diamante studded knob, as the police would simply assume it was part of his professional attire. He is acutely aware that he should be twirling something in his hands as he whistles.

On walking into the pet store, almost immediately a pretty young girl distances herself from her professional athlete boyfriend, and starts making eyes at H1N1. As our hero is only there to buy kitty litter, he studiously ignores these advances. Eventually her boyfriend notices, and, picking up a large wooden scratching post, with a few fluffy balls attached on string, rushes at H1N1 intent on doing harm.

Quick as a flash, H1N1 draws his expandable baton, readjusts his pocket square, performs a textbook passata-sotto under the swing of the scratching post, delivering a short hard clout to the outside of baddy's knee. There is a loud crack. The baddy yelps like a little girl, fights back tears, but turns and raising the scratching post again. H1N1 notices the fluffy balls, dangling with intent on their pristine white strings, and smiles to himself. It was over before it had begun. As the baddy lunges at H1N1, he puts his weight on his damaged knee, and loses balance, falling neatly onto H1N1's patinanto, which catches him perfectly between the eyes.

Unfortunately, before H1N1 can round up what has now become a throng of excited damsels, the fuzz arrive, out of breath, with pastry crumbs down the front of their uniforms. H1N1 is vaguely aware of the indignity of being collared by this shower, but goes quietly, as he feels his day will be more interesting this way. Just as they are leaving the pet store, the police woman from earlier arrives, on cloud escorted by cherubims and seraphims, and pleads his case to the other officers with tears in her eyes. Unfortunately these officers' envy outstrips their natural inclination to white knight, and H1N1 is lead away in cuffs.

Some weeks pass after H1N1 is let out on bail, in which time he has posted about his police flag in the players log. At this point, the Department of Public Prosecutions decides to prosecute, and H1N1 finds himself in front of a judge. H1N1 opted for for the three-piece, immaculately tailored Geives and Hawkes over the Huntsman check, and feels it was a good decision, as the judge halts the introduction to comment on it favourably, giving H1N1 a smile, and an encouraging wink. The jury nod their head in agreement at the judge's obvious taste in gentleman's clothes.

The proceedings begin, and the prosecution are advocating a primary charge of GBH, and a minor charge of possession of an illegal weapon in a public place. The prosecution argue convincingly that, far from being self defence, possession of a weapon that was known to be illegal (a fact not in dispute by the defence), in a public place, was suggestive of a type of behaviour that courted trouble, and that the only reason anyone carried a weapon such as the baton was in order to use it. Consequently this was not an unprovoked attack, but rather the desired outcome of a young hooligan looking to steal the girlfriends of the country's most popular athletes. The prosecution resorts to the cheap slur of calling H1N1 a pickup artist, to which he objects, and the judge sustains this objection. Unfortunately, the jury has been exposed to this line of reasoning, and now the two SIFs in the front row, who had sparked the cat allergies of other members of the jury from the fur on their over-tight clothing, are looking at H1N1 with hatred and disgust. One member of the jury makes a note to Google RVF later.

H1N1 (representing himself, of course) steps up to make the defence's case, putting something shiny on the desk to distract the two cat ladies from their vitriol. Alone stands brave H1N1, constant still in mind, and begins his counter-argument for self defence. He points out that he was attacked first, was under no obligation to retreat, and that he used proportionate force in response to the attack of the disgruntled athlete. All the witnesses confirm this story, and the charge of GBH is reluctantly dropped by the prosecution. Unfortunately this still leaves H1N1 facing the charge of possession of an illegal weapon in a public place, and, following R. v Povey & Ors, a substantial custodial sentence. Anyone other than our hero would, at this point, find themselves bang to rights on a still very serious charge carrying with it significant prison time. Fortunately, owing to the force of his personality, charm, and obvious style, the judge decides to create a new precedent, which he calls the avian precedent, and it applies exclusively to this case. In all other cases, anyone who uses an illegal weapon in self-defense is going to receive a custodial sentence (perhaps suspended due to previous good character), and this is going to significantly complicate your life, perhaps for ever. However, it will complicate your life less than being dead, or brain damaged.

Post: #82

(01-08-2016 01:16 AM)Deepdiver Wrote:  In the USA in all 50 states, no matter the situation - if you are in fear for your life you never give up the right to self defense - this also applies to military personnel when faced with contradictory rules of engagement in a war zone.

The fact that this may not be the case in the EU indicates that it is time for a revolution, to throw off the shackles of liberal Marxist Feminist insanity and return to laws based upon your human right to be safe and secure in your person and home and to defend yourself by all necessary means when you feel at risk of your life.

Thanks for making that distinction. I was starting to wonder about all of this talk of 'stab someone with a knife in defence, go to jail' seems a little silly in states where self defense with firearms doesn't carry the same fear.

However, this universal "carry a knife, go to jail" does seem like the sentiment in Canada.

Post: #83

In Germany you have always to chose the softes form of self defence. When someone insult you and you hit them, you will pay for it. If someone goes down and you smash his head with a kick, you pay for it. If someone slap you and you knife him down, you will pay for it.

Post: #84

(01-08-2016 05:12 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  ^I like your post buddy but I have one big change I think you would accept as well.

5.300 meter dash time

may be better as

5.Learn free running/parkour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX7QNWEGcNI

flips aren't needed but I'd be darned if you cant run

Hah, certainly. I say 300 meter dash because that's the FBI's benchmark for how long a foot pursuit generally lasts for (and my personal experience supports this). If you can use obstacles to put distance between you and your pursuers, even better.

#6 comes in only when #1 through #5 failed, you messed them up, or you're with someone you can't abandon. Why fight or carry obvious weapons when you don't have to? To clarify, this only applies to countries that are strongly against self defense. If concealed carry is legal, by all means.

Post: #85

(01-07-2016 07:41 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  For those of us who decide to stay in Europe regardless of their reasons, self-defense is getting more and more crucial.
...
For a lot of Europeans getting a gun is extremely difficult (in France, just forget about it). You still can get a gun but how effective is that if you can't carry it with you?
...

Get a gun. Find a way. Would you rather be dead?

You are not treating this with the seriousness it deserves.

EDIT: I mean legally of course.

Post: #86

Join the Iron legion, establish a local rod and gun hunt club (Armory/Survival Bunkers) among like minded nationalist men as a National brotherhood to study skills preparing for living off the land when the SHTF as though it has not already... network with like minded nationalist men and their supportive women to train your women in the lost art of female christian patriotism. When the time comes REVOLT and Take Control. Expunge the traitors. Seize the wealth and means of wealth creation of your Nation. As the local Iron legion "Rod and Hunt club" you are now the Law, Judges and Executioners as well as pro-creators of your new neomasculine nation.

http://www.thisblogisdangerous.com/trump...sculinity/

Post: #87

(01-08-2016 02:05 AM)Peregrine Wrote:  The following are the best weapons, in descending order:

1. Situational awareness
2. Situational awareness
3. Situational awareness
4. Body language that projects "go fuck with someone else"
5. 300m dash time
6. Self defense training (I prefer krav)
7. Strong compact flashlight 200+ lumens, no "self defense" bezel necessary, carried in a way that can be deployed with minimal delay

That's it. If you have a car, baseball bat in the trunk.

I am going to add these social skills when dealing with violence prone people or unstable situations:

Quote:Peyton Quinn's 'Five Rules' about violence.

1) Do not insult him
2) Do not challenge him
3) Do not threaten him
4) Do not deny it's happening
5) Give him a face saving exit.

More here:

http://macyoungsmusings.blogspot.com/201...lence.html

Post: #88

^ I couldn't have said that better.

Being smooth with words is a big part of this forum. Surprised it took 4 pages for someone to mention that.

Talking your way out is a very useful skill, can be applied to far more than simply avoiding a fight.

Post: #89

(01-08-2016 06:53 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  ^ I couldn't have said that better.

Being smooth with words is a big part of this forum. Surprised it took 4 pages for someone to mention that.

Talking your way out is a very useful skill, can be applied to far more than simply avoiding a fight.

Agree, but we're talking about migrant robber gangs, not how to avoid bar fights. That's why it was never mentioned.

Post: #90

You should just scream loud Inshalla and Allah Akkbar!

Post: #91

(01-08-2016 06:58 PM)Peregrine Wrote:  Agree, but we're talking about migrant robber gangs, not how to avoid bar fights. That's why it was never mentioned.

In certain situations, you are right, there is a mob that has its plans it will carry out, no matter what. There are also, in many cases, in between situations, where the people involved may not have their courage up to go berserk, and are looking for the excuse, or aren't even sure what they are planning, and are on some level letting the actions of the people they encounter decide what they will do.

So how can it hurt to keep social aspects of violence in mind? I have deflected violence from a group on occasion by thinking on my feet, and see no downside for including it in the conversation.

Post: #92

What if you don't speak arabic?

Post: #93

(01-09-2016 02:03 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  What if you don't speak arabic?

At least try not to yell "Allah" with a clearly mocking expression on your face.

Post: #94

Surprised no one mentioned weapons made out of hard plastic. Google it and you find quite a selection of knifes and other cool things that do similar damage while being completely legal.
If you are in the US - non-lethal rubber bullets and chemical ( mace type) ammo you can use in a regular gun.
Secret service ( or fighting) umbrella - google this or Youtube! Looks like a regular umbrella - very effective and gives you distance.

Post: #95

Carry a bike chain with a heavy duty lock. Everyone will think it's for a bike.
Carry old debit or credit cards in all of your pockets. They make great improvised weapons. If you grip it hard enough with one corner sticking out by your pinky you can easily put out an eye or cut the carotid artery.
If you drive a car keep an innocuous looking bludgeon in the passenger compartment (tire iron or lug wrench).
Get a small plastic pencil box. Store various blades and exacto knives in it. http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-99...lsrc=aw.ds
Ball point ink pins. Preferably metal. Decent stabbing implement.
Some sort of knuckle duster or brass knuckle weapon.

Post: #96

(01-09-2016 09:56 PM)vinman Wrote:  Get a small plastic pencil box

Post: #97

(01-10-2016 04:45 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 09:56 PM)vinman Wrote:  Get a small plastic pencil box

Just attach a big red digital clock with yellow and blue wires connected to that box.

Look nervously at guys on the street while you carry it around closely to your chest.

Post: #98

Or take a leaf out of Jalal's book:

Post: #99

Best weapon combo is always a strong body and a sharp mind. They go with you everywhere and can't be taken away.

After that, I've met a few former guerrillas that swear by machetes.

Post: #100

(01-10-2016 06:30 PM)Osiris Wrote:  Best weapon combo is always a strong body and a sharp mind. They go with you everywhere and can't be taken away.

After that, I've met a few former guerrillas that swear by machetes.

A machete would be one of my picks too... After the downfall of civilized society when openly carrying weapons in large sizes and quantities seems like the smart thing to do when taking a stroll downtown. Or if I'm hiding from aggressive muslim hikers in a forest.