Post: #1

My girl isnt talking to me anymore because I shouted at her friend for calling me cheap. Her friends say I never spend money on her and I feel they have poisoned her. Maybe it is jealousy. So is it necessary to get your girl's friends to like you? And if yes, how?

Post: #2

*1st mistake: getting visibly angry at any woman, especially if you are not fucking her (the friend). Consider her a grenade/cockblock. Treat accordingly.

*2nd mistake: Your woman has to like you enough that she doesn't care about others telling her why she shouldn't like you. That is, you keeping the frame, which is "I like you as a woman, therefore I will provide you with my attention, good sex, fun times and MAYBE spend some money here and there, as I see fit".

Their 'cheap-shaming' is a collective shit test to submit you to their preconceived expectations of a beta-provider boyfriend. In order to please her/them, they expect you should buy her expensive purses, jewelry and -ultimately- an engagement ring.

As most experienced womanizers here will agree, this issues have to be rectified before they arise: which means setting the relationship frame from the beginning, even in a non-explicit manner, so the woman doesn't have the wrong expectations.

My 2 cents.

Post: #3

Not really. It's important that they respect you. Don't be nice and kiss their asses just because they're her friends. Standard game applies with all women, even ones you aren't banging. If one of them acts out, don't hesitate to put them in their place. She might thin you're a dick, but she'll respect you.

Post: #4

What's more of a problem is that your GF isn't defending you against the friend or checking the friend herself.

If one of MY friends went up to my GF and called her a slut, she would expect me to handle it since its MY friend.

If one of HER friends does or says something that is uncalled for, I expect her handle it since its HER friend. I CAN handle it but if I'm having to do that, I take it as a form of indirect disrespect on the GFs part since she should be the first person to defend me and have my back without any hesitation. By not intervening, the GF is condoning/agreeing with the friends actions and therefore, has shown that her loyalty is in question.

I had a girl I was seeing one time who had a mother that couldn't help but throw out constant shit-tests; with some of them in very gray area territory that went beyond what is normally acceptable shit-testing from a GFs mother. Anyhow, I would just deflect, ignore, and agree/amplify with the mother's non-sense. But one time, the mother went below the belt with a series of comments and the girl I was seeing instinctively knew that she had about 5 seconds before I would check her mother verbally to the point of putting her in tears and walk out. As a result, the girl stepped in right away and called out her mother right on the spot and put her in her place. I found it very attractive and I expect this behavior in all women I see whether its their friends or family who are causing a problem.

Bottom line: overt disrespect should NEVER be tolerated from your girls social circle (friends or family). You really can't police her friends or family so it's up to her to deal with it appropriately. How she does ultimately shows how much respect she has for you.

Post: #5

No it's not necessary. As long as she's thinking about you, whether good or bad, you're fine. You can always take those feeling she feels towards you and shape them in different direction in your favor. Game over is when a girl is indifferent.

Post: #6

I'd of agreed and amplified, turned it into one big joke. Flip the script on her, ask her what has she bought for her best friend lately or if she's really that shallow (with a laugh). Ask her what she's buying you so you can give to her your GF.

You get the scenarios and line of jokes I'm talking about.

Treat em' like a little sister, this absolutely was a shit test. You failed, you got angry.

Black Knight is right, why didn't your girl speak up at all, I'd flip this on her also.

A woman who doesn't come to your defense isn't worthy of an LTR.

Post: #7

If your LTR's friends don't hate you, your doing something wrong. They always "hate" the alpha ZFG boyfriend and "love" the beta bucks.

Post: #8

Related...

My current LTRs orbiter friends all hate me. "He's such an asshole. He's not right for you. He's an arrogant prick." You know, the fat ones, the liberals, the self-identified feminists, and the "I've only had two girlfriends in my life" types. I get along fine with the bro-y ones.

Her libtard female friends loathe me. "He's a sexist pig, and a player." I get along well with most of the hot ones.

Post: #9

Ill echo what everyone else said. All my LTR's friends disliked me in the end. If its your first time meeting them, I think making a good impression at first is important but other then that I wouldn't worry.

The only thing you did wrong was shout at her friend. Just act indifferent, because in the end, you really don't care what her friends think anyway.

Post: #10

Losing your temper was a big mistake => lost your frame.
Work on your self confidence, ignore what other people say about you, especially women.

Post: #11

Man, fuck her friends. My girls friends don't HATE/can't tolerate me, but they also don't particularly like me. I don't actively start shit with them and treat them like I treat all girls, so naturally as a result they think I'm somewhat of an asshole.

A woman's friends damn sure aren't worth getting worked up over and caring what they think. Don't be intolerable but you also don't need to befriend them. If she's your girl she shouldn't care what her friends think about you/put that much stock into it. Additionally she should DEFINITELY get YOUR BACK next time, as the black knight said. That is the real issue here.

Post: #12

No, not important at all. Completely ignore her friends and avoid any event where they are present; their birthday parties, weddings, "double dates", all that BS that you have to do when you have a pointless "GF" and an "LTR". Do not do, anything you do not want to do. Seriously, whats the point in having a GF anyways? Do you want to get married and have kids?

Like Kaotic said, its a good test for a GF. If she is openly disagreeing with you, challenging you, or generally not licking your ass in front of friends, then you immediately eject her, that night. Just start openly hitting on other women, or leave and ghost her ass. Any woman that does that to you in public is bad for you, and will only waste your precious time and money.

Post: #13

This is a lot tougher than one is lead to believe.

If you are a non entity to them, she's not in the right place with your LTR.

If you're the world to her, she's going to be talking about you non stop. So they will initially like you off of that.

When you actually meet them, you have to exceed expectations. Because they're already sky high. You want to plant seeds with them, just in case.

When they don't like you, they'll poison your girl against you. They will sow the seeds of destruction.

But the player also wonders of he will like the friends.

In most ltr situations, 3 things can happen.
- she joins your tribe
- you create your own tribe
- you join hers

If you can't stand her friends, chances are high that you really don't like her.

When women run into this, they usually try to isolate a man from his friends. Men not being very social, this is really a death sentence.

5) her friends were mean spirited gossips. That venom would not be contained

Unlike men, it's very hard to isolate a woman from her friends without extremes. ( see traditional Christianity)

This is where the traditional notion of game comes in.
Not pickup, not red pill, not alpha beta, just old school game.

In the confines of an LTR, you're learning how your girl's mind works. If this broad is your main, you should be training her how to think. You should be improving her, or she should be improving because she is with you.

So when you're with her squad, you have to treat them like you're gaming them all. Aside from the typical jealousy threads, you need to subtlely point out the problems.

Man your girl was kinda up under me
Does she have a bf, why not, what makes you think that..

You're sowing the seeds of doubt in your girl about your friends. Even more low key, it's getting her to
- see their flaws with her eyes
- start repeating your logic to them

And you prepare your girl for their attacks.

That's just a taste, but I've made the common male mistakes of not taking a players interest nor not guarding my image.

WIA

Post: #14

(01-04-2016 10:27 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  This is a lot tougher than one is lead to believe.

If you are a non entity to them, she's not in the right place with your LTR.

If you're the world to her, she's going to be talking about you non stop. So they will initially like you off of that.

When you actually meet them, you have to exceed expectations. Because they're already sky high. You want to plant seeds with them, just in case.

When they don't like you, they'll poison your girl against you. They will sow the seeds of destruction.

But the player also wonders of he will like the friends.

1) ltr's best friend died. She bounced on me in her grief
2) best friends were a bunch of club hoppers. Bad news
3) she had few close female friends, so when we had problems who did she have to talk to, who could advocate for me?
4) i hated her friends. In most ltr situations, 3 things can happen.
- she joins your tribe
- you create your own tribe
- you join hers

There are positives and negatives to all of these, but if you can't stand her friends, chances are high that you really don't like her. Birds of a feather see #2

When women run into this, they usually try to isolate a man from his friends. Men not being very social, this is really a death sentence.

5) her friends were mean spirited gossips. That venom would not be contained

Unlike men, it's very hard to isolate a woman from her friends without extremes. ( see traditional Christianity)

This is where the traditional notion of game comes in.
Not pickup, not red pill, not alpha beta, just old school game.

In the confines of an LTR, you're learning how your girl's mind works. If this broad is your main, you should be training her how to think. You should be improving her, or she should be improving because she is with you.

So when you're with her squad, you have to treat them like you're gaming them all. Aside from the typical jealousy threads, you need to subtlely point out the problems.

Man your girl was kinda up under me
Does she have a bf, why not, what makes you think that..

You're sowing the seeds of doubt in your girl about your friends. Even more low key, it's getting her to
- see their flaws with her eyes
- start repeating your logic to them

And you prepare your girl for their attacks.

That's just a taste, but I've made the common male mistakes of not taking a players interest nor not guarding my image.

WIA

This is right on the money and is an extension of what I said earlier about the girl should be the one defending you: you need to give her ammo to defend you with. Ideally, you don't have to but with young chicks especially who are very influenced by their respective social circles, you probably have to be on the passive offensive to keep her shitty friends in check.

After a night out with the GFs friend(s), if one is acting bitchy towards you or you can tell is going to try to sabotage your LTR for whatever reason, you can say all kinds of stuff.

Starting with, "Man....your friend was a bit rude/unhappy/mean, it must be because...

1. She has no BF."
2. She is not happy with her BF."
3. Shes jealous you have a man like me."
4. She hates her job."
5. She isn't a very happy person in general "
6. She isn't attractive like you [your GF]."

Or you can make up whatever statement you like as long as it fits contextually. Also, if your GF has expressed something she doesn't like in the past about the friend in question, you should double-down on that for sure since the seed of doubt is already there.

That all said, I generally try to avoid meeting a chicks friends until a solid LTR has been established and I don't really need to be too concerned with the odd shitty friend. As I said, if she isn't defending me automatically (maybe assisted with some minor gaming on my part like planting a few of the aforementioned seeds) and I'm in an LTR with her.... then something is very wrong.

The real gray area and where you need to be on your toes is when you meet a chicks friends early on during the dating phase. I've met a chicks entire social circle (at like a wine tasting/board game night deal, for example) within the first week or two of dating and even if I hit it out of the park (which I usually do), they generally become a problem down the line.

If a chicks social circle hasn't met you, they really can't imbue too much influence; they don't really know you and are just going off what your chick is saying to them. Even if the chick is saying negative things, the social circle has too little information to work with to really have a lot of influence; especially if over minor things. Simply put: it's hard for them to make strong statements with credibility since they have no direct impression of you.

BUT once they have met you (even if they like you a lot initially), they will start talking all kinds of shit the moment your chick expresses any doubt or negative thing about your interactions. Rarely is someone gonna stick up for you.

Her guy friends are probably white knights and want to fuck her.
Her gay guy friends probably want to fuck you.
Her girl friends are probably jealous sluts who want to fuck you.
Her gay girl friends probably hate men in general and also want to lick her clam.

Rarely are you gonna have an ally in her social circle who will provide an objective opinion against the majority groupthink once the dominos start to fall. Everyone has got a motive.

And because the social circle thinks they know everything about you now (and your chick trusts their opinion and you DID meet her circle so the doubts aren't just "in her head" anymore), they can really swing a chicks opinion about you quickly if you're not on top of things. You can fight this with planting seeds of doubt but because you are not fully established yet as a relationship, it could be an uphill battle.

Generally speaking, I would recommend not meeting any woman social circle until an LTR is established. I don't think the benefits of meeting a woman's social circle prior are worth the risks and hassles. And because we are not beta losers who kiss girls asses, there are going to be times during the dating phase where a girl might resent you temporally for holding frame, utilizing push/pull tactics, or simply not dealing with her bullshit.

If she can go to her social circle and find comfort in bashing you there when you are acting alpha, they can really complicate things unnecessarily with their influence if they have met you. This is mostly applies to the under 24 American crowd but can apply to any woman. That's been my experience but your mileage might vary.

Post: #15

Pride male,

How old are you?

In your early 20s, you will spend more time with friends of your GF as will older guys. One of the nice things of aging and dating younger women, is I have little contact with their friends, if any.

Even if you are of that age when social circles mix, try to spend as little time with her friends as possible, outside big events (birthdays, weddings).

Drama inevitably ensues

Always keep your frame and don't lose your temper

Don't be afraid to call out bad behavior in a calm manner

Remember, her friends are women. Their emotions and feelings towards you will change. Ultimately, it will have little to do with you and more attributed to their insecurities.

Don't put much value in what they think. Quite often their friends get jealous when they see you have a good thing going.

Post: #16

Leave a good a good first impression and don't worry too much about what they think. Ultimately, they are going to go back to thinking about whatever silly things they were thinking of before. This does not mean scoff at them or write them off as non-entities. You wanna show your good side if meeting during the day, or your nice, trustworthy fun side of out at the bar getting drinks. Unless I know them personally and like them as I get to know them, I think the best course of action is to keep it short and sweet. You could even keep it basic as far as conversation goes so as to avoid over sharing, but if you can hold ground you might as well have a nice conversation. The last thing you wanna become is a joke amongst them, so keep it chill and don't try to neg them all.