Thanks for your reply, even though you resorted to personal attacks quite often, which is uncalled for as I never attacked anyone myself.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: If you did not mean to speak for him, then do not say that you have explained my question, when I obviously directed it at him alone.
I wrote my comment in response to someone else. After having posted it, I saw your comment and added the part in response to you. It was one sentence - don't make it bigger than it was.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: Let's skip to the meat of your problem, because I cannot be bothered to waste too much time on a troll with awesome copypasta skills. Zing there's a new word for ya Gramps!
Thanks for those fresh new terms, youngster! I'm still in college though, still forming my opinions - partly with the help of this forum - and still trying to have an adult discussion without being labeled a troll/racist/racebaiter/whathaveyou every other sentence. So come right at me, bro!
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: Trolls like you don't hurt my feelings. Your lack of ...
You don't really believe I'm a troll, otherwise you wouldn't take the time to respond. You just say that to discredit what I write and to incite the mods to ban me because I say things that you don't like.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: Your first link talks about hybridization for animals mostly. The controversial section mentions that while mules are sterile, as opposed to mixed human beings as an example of how it does not apply to humans. Duh! Homosapiens regardless of color are still homosapiens.
The article also talks about plants. I also wasn't claiming that homosapiens were plants. I linked it because I wanted to aware of the fact that just like too close a DNA can lead to problems (incest), too far different a DNA might lead to problems as well. Personally I always assumed that the more different the DNA, the better, but apparently that is not the case. Now whether human races (or lets call them subspecies if you will) can even be
too distinct, as we are seemingly very similar regardless of race, needs to be reviewed. Obviously there are many different mixed children that are healthy and happy, so it might not be a problem. Might.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: But let's skip down to Ali.
No, let's not do that because it would mean that you skip all the research on how mixed children are likely more prone to mental health problems. More and more people nowadays have mental issues and while the causing factors are many, we shouldn't overlook a likely possibility just for the sake of political correctness.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: you are quoting racist Black Nationalist agenda to support it as well.
How is Ali racist? So if people prefer to be amongst their kind, that is racist? I always thought, racism would mean to discriminate others based on race, which I cannot see he did.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: You skipped showing us a WN site or Stormfront
There we have it again. I surely must be a Nazi because I look at certain societal developments that might have additional negative influences other than the ones you yourself considered a factor. I agree with Ali and in my opinion what he says makes a lot of sense but he was probably a Stormfronter as well.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: but you bothered to present the other side in some blatant attempt to appeal to my emotions as a black man.
Dude chill out, this isn't about you even though you apparently get real worked up about it which makes me think you're a little insecure in respect to this issue and maybe also regarding your life-choices. I was originally answering to cascadecombo and edited the one sentence addressed at you in after the fact. I didn't even know you were black, you're not that important mate, I hate to tell you.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: I am not fond of any Black Nationalism or reverse racism. Black Muslim bullshit either for that matter.
Didn't think you were. I don't know who ever said something about racism or reverse racism or Muslims for that matter.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: Ali was fighting racism with more racism.
You'd have to explain how what he said in the video was racist in the original sense of the word (I assume, on this forum, racism is still racism and rape is still rape - kissing a woman without asking isn't rape, right? Because certain people claim it is. Do you understand, where I'm getting at?)
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: Him being famous does not make him right or correct.
No but it also doesn't make it incorrect and he's generally a well respected personality. Maybe you don't like him but others - including me - respect him a whole lot. Great guy really. And since you mentioned him being muslim, I like it especially that he considered himself more of the Sufi-branch later in life which is a big deal to me but a different topic entirely.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: The irony is that he is just as mixed, if not more than I am. Most black Americans are. Culturally you could have had more of an argument, but that would fall flat on it's ass too. When it comes to America, all of us have the same culture. Leave the country and talk to others and they do not recognize a difference between Americans of differing skin shades. Fundamentally, you could take a historians viewpoint and look at something like Jazz music for example. A platform that took strong contributions from many kinds of Americans, black, white, jewish, etc. and created a subculture or two onto it's own. Jazz is American through and through. You cannot call it white or just black stuff. That is disingenuous and dishonest. Southern fried food belongs to America. Crime in the hood isn't just black either. Look at Detroit. Plenty whites roaming around involved with dope and crime. All this shit is American. If you want to shake people out over economic and class discussions, we can have that argument all day long.
No idea what you're getting at. That America is a melting pot? Most studies I linked were in regards to the US population.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: Xenophobia and race mixing are not mutually exclusive. If you chose not to marry a Japanese woman based upon the cultural impact and whatnot, that is on you. Nothing wrong with that if you want an Apple Pie American bitch instead. That does not mean your child will automatically grow up confused as fuck. The confusion often comes from ignorant people that refuse to learn or understand the other's cultural background and history, and cannot agree with any of it. Racial Identity? What bollocks! Only because of a racist policy brought on by racist whites in the past, (1% drop rule) I am forced to be thrown in with a bucket of other darker skinned Americans when I have a much different background. My children have to put up with that too? I am part Native American, French, and tiny bit of Jewish. DNA wise, I am actually part Asian! It was racist policy that says I am a nigger and not an American. Science and history does not agree. You might as well be telling me that I am a nigger and not an American too. Instead, I am going to tell you that you do not know where and what of, any person is made up of in America. Before you start trying to encourage anyone not to "mix", you better have a chart with everyone's DNA and where they come from before you start doing that.
I know that there are many mixes - all over the world, including Europe, but especially in America. Nobody talked about blacks - or "niggers" - but your way of writing shows how agitated you are simply because I brought up the point that racemixing probably has negative consequences for the offspring. I wanted to have an adult discussion about it but you're reacting too emotional for my taste. However, between your insults and personal attacks you do make some points worth considering. Identifying with your ancestry and heritage etc. is what most people seem to long for. Most users in this forum probably have all kinds of different DNA in them but there is still usually one part that is dominant. What's the point?
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: If you have issues with mixed kids not knowing their culture backgrounds, take that shit up with their parents. I can find some mixed people that know theirs just like how you can go grab some that do not know theirs. That's anecdotal. I don't know alot about Cherokee culture, but so what. Am I going to cry and pout and "act confused" about my identity? No. That is effeminate bullshit behavior that needs to stop. It's on par with victim mentality. As a man, all I need in this world is my balls and my word. I can create and pathfind the rest. Guys like you have no fucking clue who your real enemy is in the first place. Kids with identity issues? Sounds like a real lack of leadership there from the father and the mother. When you got effeminate males running around in droves that are screwing women that will not be submissive to them, is it really any wonder the kids come out confused? Feminism is the ultimate threat in every society. Immigration is pesky by comparison. Mixing with others does not contribute to Feminism. Blue pill effeminate males mixing with other blue pill females that will never submit to a man, does contribute to Feminism.
It's not about the kids not knowing their parents culture, it's about knowing that their parents have different cultures and the kids can't combine them. It's probably less of a problem (or none even) if both parents were born in the US. Then they had the issues but now the kid can just say, the parents are Americans, he/she's American.
I never said the mixing thing was a worse factor than feminism. I don't think it is possible to weigh the different factors that play a role in the societal decline up against each other and come up with a fact-based list of which factors are the worst and which can be neglected. Sociology is too complex for that. Feminism definitely does play a huge role. Bad role-models/beta dads definitely, yes. The two go hand in hand, yes. But isn't it possible that a mixed kid has identity-issues, which makes him beta, which makes him a beta father, which makes his kids even more fucked up in return? In the other thread some members discussed the blog of this mixed asian guy who was in STEM but his life was all fucked up for him because he was mixed. I don't claim it has such drastic effects on every child, but some are probably affected wrose by it, others less. I still think, it's an issue.
"As a man, all I need in this world is my balls and my word. I can create and pathfind the rest." --> I'm glad, if this is true for you, but I have to mention that while reading this I was under the impression that you were somehow more trying to convince yourself than me.
And I strongly disagree with you on immigration being "pesky by comparison". It's a huge issue and a social and economic burden. The cultural (and genetical) damage is especially high in Europe, since Europe - in contrast to America - is not a continent of immigrants. We have our separate ways, cultures and traditions and we like it that way and I won't allow an American to tell me that it's not a big deal when the hordes corrode them. If in 50 or 100 years people visit France and can't tell the difference to America and then they go to Germany and it's like America and then they go to England and it's like America, then I think that's fucking sad to say the least. Nothing against America, I love that country, but again, I also like my own shit and I like it when others too can keep theirs.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: If white men after Reconstruction in the South, had never never instituted Black Codes -> Jim Crow, undermining the inherent authority of other males in front of women, at the behest of white women jealous of black men getting a right to vote and hold an office, we would not have half the problems we have now. When males start putting pussy on a pedestal, forgetting the role and purpose for being a man, things turn for the worse. Your focus is too much on the race of the women as if that is any real control factor on degeneracy. Someone with real authority (a man) had to set the stage for "identity confusion" and any other issues you are speaking of.
All those factors play a role. How can you know I focus "too much on the race of the women" if you don't know how much I focus on the other issues?
You seem to be the one who is kind of obsessed with race or rather obsessed with hammering in the "fact" that race doesn't play any role whatsoever. I get that it's not the only issue - for some people it might even be no issue at all. But as the studies show, it's apparently an issue for a larger number of people than one might expect.
(12-31-2015 11:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote: (12-31-2015 10:07 AM)Paracelsus Wrote: ![[Image: tumblr_nvf113JDKP1sropy0o1_400.gif]](https://45.media.tumblr.com/f33c2b7c65204fe5ee4e1494ed241050/tumblr_nvf113JDKP1sropy0o1_400.gif)
There is no escalating about a blatant race mixing troll. We might as well flip out a table and start taking bets on when he will get banned, not if.
Yes, let's ban the guy with the deviating opinions. Let's have an echo-chamber, it's much more comfortable that way.
Look, I admit that I wrote a bit much on this topic lately and since I'm fairly new to the community I understand that certain suspicions come up as a result. It might have a lot to do with the fact that I have to see my country go to shits before my eyes without being able to stop any of it and I'll be honest this fucks with my head a lot and I can't quite let go of the topic, even when trying to study or when watching a movie. So I'll try to refrain from commenting on race-issues in the near future, it's probably more healthy for myself this way too.
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